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Lucifer--Before the Fall..


The Archangel Michael; highest of all the Seraphim--and one who stands before the Throne of the Most High---casting down the Fallen Angel, Lucifer and his followers.



Michael casting down Lucifer and the fallen ones--"Devils".



One thing that intrigues me, is th schism in Heaven between the Angelic hosts of heaven. It is said in the bible that 1/3 of all the Angels in Heaven sided with Lucifer and did battle with the forces of God, led by the Archangel Michael and the remaining 2/3rds of all the Angels. The outcome was definite and absolute, the forces of Michael cast down Lucifer from heaven,,,
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    "And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. So the great dragon who was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

    Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, "Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down ... Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them!

    Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.

    Now when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male child. But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent.

    So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood. But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth.

    And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."
(Revelation 12:7-17)
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One thing that I am also intrigued is the question of : WHY?
The Angel Lucifer (May He Be Rebuked by the Most High) was created first, given life and existence by the will of Tri-God Head, loved by God and reigned over all other angels in the vast expanse of the sky. Clearly, as God's first creation, Lucifer must have realized the full power and the infinite wisdom, and might of the Lord God. Yet he defied the will of God. Why? How?

Lucifer and the Angels were given the beatific vision of the FACE of GOD. Beatific vision is the eternal and complete happiness, a complete wholeness and union with God. SO pure and HOLY is the beatific vision that when one sees the Face of God, the body will immediately die and the soul will return to the Maker to be Judged. Even Moses (Blessed is the prophet of the Lord God) was subject to such; when he saw the burning bush, his hair turned white--as he was in the presence of the MOST HIGH.  To be given the face of God is to be given the GRACE of God. Yet in that presence, Lucifer, still was able to rebel. How so? Why did he choose to become the antithesis of the MOST HIGH??

I read this part of the Bible the other day and gave chills down to my bones---of the audacity of the Devil. To Defy God and to think that he ACTUALLY thought he could be GOD...

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For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.

 And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the LORD for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors.

 And it shall come to pass in the day that the LORD shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,

 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

 The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.

 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.

 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.

Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.

 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.

 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?

 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.

 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of dawn! how art thou cut down to the ground, which did weaken the nations!

 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

 
Yet thou shalt be brought down to Sheol, to the sides of the pit.

 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.

 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.

 For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD.

 I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the besom of destruction, saith the LORD of hosts.

The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand:

 That I will break the Assyrian in my land, and upon my mountains tread him under foot: then shall his yoke depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their shoulders.

 This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this is the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations.

 For the LORD of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back?

 In the year that king Ahaz died was this burden.

 Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent's root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent.

 And the firstborn of the poor shall feed, and the needy shall lie down in safety: and I will kill thy root with famine, and he shall slay thy remnant.

 Howl, O gate; cry, O city; thou, whole Palestina, art dissolved: for there shall come from the north a smoke, and none shall be alone in his appointed times.

 What shall one then answer the messengers of the nation? That the LORD hath founded Zion, and the poor of his people shall trust in it.


ISIAIAH 14: 1-31



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The Fall of Lucifer and His Angels: Why Did They Rebel Against God?
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2007, 06:11:28 AM »
What privileges did Lucifer enjoy prior to his Rebellion?

     
You were in Eden,
       the garden of God;
       every precious stone adorned you:
       ruby, topaz and emerald,
       chrysolite, onyx and jasper,
       sapphire, [a] turquoise and beryl.
       Your settings and mountings [c] were made of gold;
       on the day you were created they were prepared.

Ezekiel 28:13


Did God create Lucifer with the seed of sin in his heart, so that it was only a matter of time before he became a "devil?"


You were blameless in your ways
       from the day you were created
       till wickedness was found in you.

Ezekiel 28:15


What was the cause of Lucifer's desire to rebel against God?


Through your widespread trade
       you were filled with violence,
       and you sinned.
       So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God,
       and I expelled you, O guardian cherub,
       from among the fiery stones.

Your heart became proud
       on account of your beauty,
       and you corrupted your wisdom
       because of your splendor.
       So I threw you to the earth;
       I made a spectacle of you before kings.

Ezekiel 28:16-17





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Re: The Fall of Lucifer and His Angels: Why Did They Rebel Against God?
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2007, 07:06:03 AM »
Hello Pare, Kumusta? I thought you study medicine?.......baka ang labas nito maging Padre kayo?

You are not only super brillant but you understand everything too mysterious to me.

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Re: The Fall of Lucifer and His Angels: Why Did They Rebel Against God?
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2007, 10:51:56 AM »
Bran, there are things that are beyond our comprehension. There are things I wish to ask from God but I let Him to be the God and accept my humanity and my limitations. He is GOD after all and no one can question Him.

Bran, my question is: If God knew that Lucifer would rebel him in the end, then why did He create this angel in the first place? God is omnipotent and omniscience and there is nothing beyond the reach of His infinite power. He knows the past, the present, and the future. So He must have known beforehand that Lucifer would rebel Him. So if He knew this in advance, then why did He still create Lucifer and give this angel the loftiest beauty and supremacy among the millions or billions of angels in heaven?

In a split of a second, God can even wipe out Lucifer and all his legions of followers from the face of the universe, yet God allows their existence.

Again, God is God. There are things that He alone has the understanding. I am His creation and He is my creator.



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Re: The Fall of Lucifer and His Angels: Why Did They Rebel Against God?
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2007, 11:32:38 AM »
Kummusta pare,

Blessed are you who believes in HIM and contemplates on the word of God through the Holy Bible. I am merely interested and intrigued in the dogma of the bible--the histories that occur in it--and the transgressions of the Angel Lucifer that led to his eventual demise. For me, I find it very interesting in the discourse between the Father who is God and the Child, who is Lucifer, who was the first creation. He was the greatest Angelic being that came from the will of God, given the splendor as the guardian cherub before the Throne of the Most High, was the highest of all Seraphim prior to his fall (even Archangel Michael answered to him). He was referred as 'Son of Dawn' as he drew the flaming sword of God and headed the Garden of Eden. He was loved by God, adored by Him, yet this wasn't enough for Lucifer.

I ponder to myself of this: WHY?

Ezekiel states that Lucifer was of supreme brilliance; even his name--taken in hebraic "Luc-fer" means "Light Bearer" as he bore the Light of God; he was the personal representative of God; the worlds and matter were created from the command of God--and it was Lucifer who was there to make sure that the commands of God were made true. Perhaps, it was in this moment--that Lucifer thought that he could do the same things as God--as Lucifer was given the POWER of God to create light, darkness, matter, and other angelic beings. Perhaps it was in this time that Lucifer thought he could be like GOD. His pride was his demise. It is unbelievable that Lucifer had the audacity to declare war against God, and fooled the angelic beings to follow him in the war to usurp the throne of God. But how? He was given the beatific vision of God? How can one choose to reject the blessings that is the full communion with the MOST HIGH? How can he reject perfect bliss? Such answers will remain a mystery-- One reason why I am intrigued by this, is that when I asked my pastor about this, we had a conversation ending in him saying "I really do not know for sure about the details". There is considerable debate about the schism of terra even in halls of the Vatican.

For me, it is  learning process, Pare.

Cheers!



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Re: The Fall of Lucifer and His Angels: Why Did They Rebel Against God?
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2007, 11:35:50 AM »
Bran, there are things that are beyond our comprehension. There are things I wish to ask from God but I let Him to be the God and accept my humanity and my limitations. He is GOD after all and no one can question Him.

Bran, my question is: If God knew that Lucifer would rebel him in the end, then why did He create this angel in the first place? God is omnipotent and omniscience and there is nothing beyond the reach of His infinite power. He knows the past, the present, and the future. So He must have known beforehand that Lucifer would rebel Him. So if He knew this in advance, then why did He still create Lucifer and give this angel the loftiest beauty and supremacy among the millions or billions of angels in heaven?

In a split of a second, God can even wipe out Lucifer and all his legions of followers from the face of the universe, yet God allows their existence.

Again, God is God. There are things that He alone has the understanding. I am His creation and He is my creator.



Yes Mike. I agree totally.

These mysteries of the bible are so deep and trying to comprehend all its meaning is truly impossible. I am humbled by the Lord God--for that he is so great that he can humble the greatest of all the angels. He merely thinks it--and it is so. Such power..such majesty..I cannot help but fear the Lord God....



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Re: The Fall of Lucifer and His Angels: Why Did They Rebel Against God?
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2007, 11:41:53 AM »
What are other people's views in this?

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Re: The Fall of Lucifer and His Angels: Why Did They Rebel Against God?
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2007, 02:13:49 PM »


I don't think Lucifer was ever a seraph, the highest order of angels with six wings. At the time of his fall, he was a cherub (four wings) as the account in Ezekiel shows. Since Lucifer occupied the highest position before his fall, Michael was probably a cherub as well.

After Lucifer's fall, Michael and the other senior angels (Gabriel and others) were promoted to become seraphims.

Lucifer is stuck with his four wings. But despite his fall, he continues to look handsome and charismatic. That's why throughout the ages he continues to deceive many.



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Re: The Fall of Lucifer and His Angels: Why Did They Rebel Against God?
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2007, 02:47:54 PM »
Interesting input, GEC, I didnt think about the promotion of Michael, Gabriel, Raphael and other archangels into seraphims after the battle; good point. Though the lies and deceits of Satan and his demons make their manifestations in the world of man, I believe in my firmest conviction that the Lord God allows this to happen to test the faith of men. Though Satan's presence in the world is firm, his powers are limited--as he himself needs to ask the permission of God in order to tempt man. One example of this is in JOB 2:1 where the devil had to ask permission from the Lord God to assail Job in order to test his faith. God allowed it. And we know that though Job was afflicted with the loss of his family, possessions, his firm faith in the righteousness of God is a model for all mankind. So pleased was the Lord God in such faith and such conviction that the Lord God, who is boundless of mercy--and forgiveness--and where nothing is impossible, blessed Job with a new family, a rich flock, and the grace of long life. The Lord takes, yet the Lord Gives.

I do agree with you GEC, that Lucifer and his demons continue to tempt the souls of men--scourging the world for lost souls. However, through the graces of Christ and the blessings of the Lord of boundless mercy, and of infinite forgiveness and love, will continue to shine light to those in his need. He tests our faith, and this is where free will is tested. Even if such tests comes in the guise of the devil and his demons.

However, such testing is only to determine the faithful and non-faithful. The second coming of Christ Jesus, who is Lord and Saviour and the only begotten son of God the Father, will finalize the judgment of GOD. The doom of our time lies with the Lucifer/Satan and his demons and those who court their favor. Was it not the Lord God who said,

    And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day." 
In the day of judgment “…the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

John 8:44



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Re: The Fall of Lucifer and His Angels: Why Did They Rebel Against God?
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2007, 04:25:32 PM »



Here's another interesting tidbit:

The whole script was written and known by God even before He created anything at all... He wrote the scenes, chose the cast, built the props, designed the stage, composed the musical score, etc. He did this to please Himself... for His own glory.



 

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Re: The Fall of Lucifer and His Angels: Why Did They Rebel Against God?
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2007, 12:27:40 AM »
Excellent use of figurative language, Sir GEC. I bow before your brilliance in such comparatives! Always I learn something new from your literary styles, which is so lovely.

Glory, Glory, Glory to God in the Highest!

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