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The Fall of Lucifer
« on: February 07, 2009, 05:01:41 AM »
Lucifer’s fall is described in two key Old Testament chapters—Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14. Let’s briefly look at both of these.


It would seem from the context of Ezekiel 28 that the first ten verses of this chapter are dealing with a human leader. Then, starting in verse 11 and on through verse 19, Lucifer is the focus of discussion.

What is the rationale for the conclusion that these latter verses refer to the fall of Lucifer? Whereas the first ten verses in this chapter speak about the ruler of Tyre (who was condemned for claiming to be a god though he was just a man), the discussion moves to the king of Tyre starting in verse 11. Many scholars believe that though there was a human “ruler” of Tyre, the real “king” of Tyre was Satan, for it was he who was ultimately at work in this anti-God city and it was he who worked through the human ruler of the city.


Some have suggested that these verses may actually be dealing with a human king of Tyre who was empowered by Satan. Perhaps the historic king of Tyre was a tool of Satan, possibly even indwelt by him. In describing this king, Ezekiel also gives us glimpses of the superhuman creature, Satan, who was using, if not indwelling, him.


Now, there are things that are true of this “king” that—at least ultimately—cannot be said to be true of human beings. For example, the king is portrayed as having a different nature from man (he is a cherub, verse 14); he had a different position from man (he was blameless and sinless, verse 15); he was in a different realm from man (the holy mount of God, verses 13,14); he received a different judgment from man (he was cast out of the mountain of God and thrown to the earth, verse 16); and the superlatives used to describe him don’t seem to fit that of a normal human being (“full of wisdom,” “perfect in beauty,” and having “the seal of perfection,” verse 12 NASB).


Our text tells us that this king was a created being and left the creative hand of God in a perfect state (Ezekiel 28:12,15). And he remained perfect in his ways until iniquity was found in him (verse 15b). What was this iniquity? We read in verse 17, “Your heart became proud on account of your beauty, and you corrupted your wisdom because of your splendor.” Lucifer apparently became so impressed with his own beauty, intelligence, power, and position that he began to desire for himself the honor and glory that belonged to God alone. The sin that corrupted Lucifer was self-generated pride.

Apparently, this represents the actual beginning of sin in the universe—preceding the fall of the human Adam by an indeterminate time. Sin originated in the free will of Lucifer in which—with full understanding of the issues involved—he chose to rebel against the Creator.


This mighty angelic being was rightfully judged by God: “I threw you to the earth” (Ezekiel 28:18). This doesn’t mean that Satan had no further access to heaven, for other Scripture verses clearly indicate that Satan maintained this access even after his fall (Job 1:6-12; Zechariah 3:1,2). However, Ezekiel 28:18 indicates that Satan was absolutely and completely cast out of God’s heavenly government and his place of authority (Luke 10:18).

Isaiah 14:12-17 is another Old Testament passage that may refer to the fall of Lucifer. We must be frank in admitting that some Bible scholars see no reference whatsoever to Lucifer in this passage. It is argued that the being mentioned in this verse is referred to as a man (Isaiah 14:16); is compared with other kings on the earth (verse 18); and the words, “How you have fallen from heaven” (verse 12), is alleged to refer to a fall from great political heights.


There are other scholars who interpret this passage as referring only to the fall of Lucifer, with no reference whatsoever to a human king. The argument here is that the description of this being is beyond humanness and hence could not refer to a mere mortal man.


There is a third view that I think is preferable to the two views above. This view sees Isaiah 14:12-17 as having a dual reference. It may be that verses 4 through 11 deal with an actual king of Babylon. Then, in verses 12 through 17, we find a dual reference that includes not just the king of Babylon but a typological description of Lucifer as well.


If this passage contains a reference to the fall of Lucifer, then the pattern of this passage would seem to fit that of the Ezekiel 28 reference—that is, first a human leader is described, and then dual reference is made to a human leader and Satan.


It is significant that the language used to describe this being fits other passages in the Bible that speak about Satan. For example, the five “I wills” in Isaiah 14 indicate an element of pride, which was also evidenced in Ezekiel 28:17 (cf. 1 Timothy 3:6 which makes reference to Satan’s conceit).


As a result of this heinous sin against God, Lucifer was banished from living in heaven (Isaiah 14:12). He became corrupt, and his name changed from Lucifer (“morning star”) to Satan (“adversary”). His power became completely perverted (Isaiah 14:12,16,17). And his destiny, following the second coming of Christ, is to be bound in a pit during the 1000-year millennial kingdom over which Christ will rule (Revelation 20:3), and eventually will be thrown into the lake of fire (Matthew 25:41).


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Re: The Fall of Lucifer
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2009, 05:05:43 AM »
I've discussed this with priests, theologists, fellow catholics, baptists, presbyterians, evangelical born agains, orthodox; and the question that we discussed was "WHY" did he rebel against the MOST HIGH?

To alienate oneself from total and absolute bliss with the Most High?

I'd like to hear what you guys have to say, perhaps give an explanation~



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Re: The Fall of Lucifer
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2009, 06:02:43 AM »
what have you gained as insight re Lucifer's rebellion, enzo, from your
discussions with these people you mentioned above?

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Re: The Fall of Lucifer
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2009, 06:05:40 AM »
We, the unwilling, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much, for so long, with so little, we are now qualified to do anything with nothing.

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Re: The Fall of Lucifer
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2009, 11:04:31 AM »
For us to analyze the situation, we must study the history of what is written in scripture, the entire entity from the creation to his demise. A better understanding of this will give one a better idea of who we are fighting and battling in our daily lives.

When the Angels were created by the hand of God, they were given the beautific vision, meaning each and everyone of them saw the face of God. And had complete communion with the Lord.

The reason for Lucifer's rebellion in Heaven and ultimately, his bold claims was due in part because he was crowned and adorned by the Lord. He was the favorite, the most favored by The Most High. First of all, Lucifer was a created being. He was created by God Himself. Colossians 1:16 states, “For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created by Him and for Him.” We know from scripture that Lucifer had dominion and authority. This authority was given to Lucifer by God.

However, in his own pride, and in the authority that God Almighty gave him, Lucifer craved and envied the position of the Most High.

In his own thoughts he declared his  5 'I WILLS':

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

 13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

 14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

~Isaiah 14: 12-14


And with just a single thought, he was cast down by the Anger of The Lord:


Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

 16They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

 17That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

 18All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.

 19But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

 20Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

 21Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.

 22For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD.


~Isaiah 14: 15-22


With a mere thought, Lucifer, who was considered second only to God himself, was stripped of his authority, and lost favor with God.

However, I've come into agreement with theologians about this aspect, but one thing that we are left questioning and unanswered is on basis of "WHY". Why did Lucifer choose to fight against the Most High after his fall. What made him want to rebel against God? And why did 1/3rd of all the Angels in Heaven side with Lucifer to fight against their own creator.

It is amazing and intriguing to think that these Angels actually went to war in legions for the purpose of deposing the Most High and extinquishing his authority for that of Lucifer's.

Foolish act on their part.

Theologians agree that the judgement on Lucifer and the fallen angels by the Lord God was to set an example of the absolute authority and power of the LORD.

God, indeed, is a forgiving God, yet also a just and righteous One. It implies and reiterates the impurity of Lucifer, and that it was in his own heart that led him to the path towards perdition. And eventual excommunication with the Most High.

In the end, it is Lucifer's own pride, his greatest weakness, that has forever pitched him against his own Father in Heaven. An eternal hatred towards the Almighty Father. The very one who molded and created him from nothingness. And showered him with celestial authority, favor and complete ethereal bliss.

Lucifer's total rejection of his own Father's Love and refusal to humble himself is mandated by his own Self Adoration. His own Hubris.



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Re: The Fall of Lucifer
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2009, 11:17:43 AM »
the name scares me  :-\

Do not be scared of him, as he is nothing. He is a defeated worm, disgraced and defeated.

Lucifer's role and goal in life is to plant seeds of doubt in our lives, to our own faith of the Absolute Love of Our Father In Heaven, which is illustrated so beautifully in sending his own begotten Son, Jesus Christ.

Man lost favor with God in Eden, however, the Love of The Father was rectified with man with the crucifixion of Christ.

'te, there is no need to fear or be scared of Lucifer because he has been defeated. Once by Michael the Archangel who thrust him to the very pits of Sheol, and again by the Crucifixion of Christ, which conquered Sin and Death. And rectified man with God the Father.




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