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Re: Motoo mo sa mga Kalag sa Purgatorio?
« Reply #40 on: August 14, 2009, 03:36:56 PM »
It is impossible for anyone, living or dead to ever know what God's plan is; we live in Faith in prayer and supplication to ask for HIS Grace. Not to know his plan. It is impossible to know HIS PLAN.

And the LORD GOD said, "For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways," says the LORD. "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts."
 (Isaiah 55:8-9)

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I stand by what is reiterated in James. Faith alone without works is dead.
Anyone can say with his mouth that he believes in Christ, and yet at the same time work in unrighteousness, in perversity, in murder, and all that is forbidden and abominable to the Lord God.

It is therefore, antagatory to His Message to Us.

Salvation is through Faith and Good Works.

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James 2: 17-->
17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. 18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do.

James 2: 24,
24 You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.

James 2:20-26,
20 You foolish man, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is uselessa?  21 Was not our ancestor Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar?  22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did.  23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,”b and he was called God’s friend.  24 You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone.
 25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction?  26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

Faith without works is Dead.


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Re: Motoo mo sa mga Kalag sa Purgatorio?
« Reply #41 on: August 14, 2009, 03:50:10 PM »
This is why when we ask for something or plan for anything, it is best to say (in ending), "God Willing" or "If God Wills It."

For no one can know God's Plan.

He Wills what Will Be. By HIS GRACE and HIS GRACE ALONE, we can accomplish the very little we can in life.

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Re: Motoo mo sa mga Kalag sa Purgatorio?
« Reply #42 on: August 14, 2009, 04:07:55 PM »
you must make a decision to know and learn the plan of God for your life, if you use your volition not to learn His plan for you so be it, He will not force anybody to learn what is instore for you, He give us freewill for us to use whatever decision we make.
1Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

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Re: Motoo mo sa mga Kalag sa Purgatorio?
« Reply #43 on: August 14, 2009, 04:21:03 PM »
He gives us wisdom, he gives wisdom to the discerning, yes, of course.
That is provided to us in The Book of Psalm, but to know HIS Plan is impossible to be known.

That is why, in regards to prayer and supplication, we ask and pray to have HIS Grace to be showered unto our minds and hearts, most of all to comfort the soul.

To have the strength and courage to do what must be done for that day. The entire plan ins not made known to us until they day of Judgment.

It think it is wise for us to make difference between asking and seeking Wisdom, and from knowing God's Plan in our lives.

Wisdom he gives, to those who are discerning, and to those who seek her like silver.
But to know God's Divine Plan, is impossible. It is impossible.

The only Hope we, heirs of the sin of Adam and Eve, but justified and rectified in the Blood of Christ, which offers Salvation, is that to Hope for Salvation and Christ's Grace to rest upon our heads. Whatever the outcome and whatever the path that he leads us to.

You see, life in itself is a journey. A pilgrimage. We don't know the paths we will take, but we have a hope towards our destination.

There must be a clear differentiation between seeking wisdom, and asking for Grace (and recieving Grace), from knowing Providence' Divine Plan.

Only Providence knows His Divine Plan for each and everyone of us.

Again, Only GOD knows what HIS Plan is for us. It is for us to Trust In Him and seek refuge.
Jeremiah 29: 11,
For I alone know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. 12 Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will listen to you. 13 You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart. 14 I will be found by you,” declares the Lord.





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Re: Motoo mo sa mga Kalag sa Purgatorio?
« Reply #44 on: August 14, 2009, 04:23:02 PM »
His plan is in His Words, to know the plan you have to learn His words

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Re: Motoo mo sa mga Kalag sa Purgatorio?
« Reply #45 on: August 14, 2009, 04:36:03 PM »
God's Word is Christ Jesus. The Word Made Flesh.

In Him we were created, For All Things were Created in Him.

What we do Hope For is in Salvation in Jesus Christ.
As there is no other Name in Heaven where we will be saved.

Everything else, that matters and affects the body and this mortal toil is dispensible and unimportant. In the end, the salvation of the eternal soul through Faith and Works is what counts.

We have free will, yes, of course. But free will to do good and justify our Faith through Works that define our faith.

To focus on and dwell on earthly fruits is straying form the MAIN GOAL.

I reiterate, the REDEMPTION and SALVATION of the Eternal Soul is what matters the most.




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Re: Motoo mo sa mga Kalag sa Purgatorio?
« Reply #46 on: August 14, 2009, 04:43:42 PM »
Beatiful ning verse that assess this point;
Proverb 3:5-6  Trust in the LORD with all  your  heart and lean not on your own understanding.  In all your ways acknowledge Him and He will direct your paths.

We Hope and Pray to God The Father, and Justify ourselves in Christ Jesus' Blood on the Cross, to hear ou supplications. To Ask for Mercy, Pardon, And Grace to continue in the toils. To humbly request Divine Consolation for the requirements in this vale of tears.
We ask that His Plan be Merciful towards us, by His Will.

We leave the KNOWING to GOD. And we keep the ASKING and PRAYING to ourselves.

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Re: Motoo mo sa mga Kalag sa Purgatorio?
« Reply #47 on: August 14, 2009, 04:57:10 PM »
We are all entitled to our own opinion, i just express my view on purgatory then somebody asked me about going to heaven so i also express what i have learned in our daily intake of the Word of God.  I can't express or discus my religion because i have none. We study the Word of God not using any religion's bible but we go back to the original translation of the bible. We study by categories, isagogics and exegesis method. We don't study religion, we study the Word of God.
Hebrews 4:12 For the Word of God is living, and powerful,and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the the dividing asunder of soul and spirit and of the joints and marrows and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.  :)

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Re: Motoo mo sa mga Kalag sa Purgatorio?
« Reply #48 on: August 14, 2009, 04:58:21 PM »
out sa ko ha kay naa mi bible study ron 6 pm manihapon sa ko balik ra ko unya :)

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Re: Motoo mo sa mga Kalag sa Purgatorio?
« Reply #49 on: August 14, 2009, 05:23:19 PM »
I admire and like reading your point of view, Ate Lee.

The Holy Spirit is strong in your faith :)

Will be waiting to break bread with you again.

Always,
Yours In Christ,
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Re: Motoo mo sa mga Kalag sa Purgatorio?
« Reply #50 on: August 14, 2009, 05:25:58 PM »
Nindot inyong postings, I will to take time to go deeper in their meaning, it is not easy to digest them in one sitting, thanks friends1 ;D

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Re: Motoo mo sa mga Kalag sa Purgatorio?
« Reply #51 on: August 14, 2009, 05:32:42 PM »
I want to provide more verses in The Holy Bible that reiterates Purgatorial Purification:


Isaiah 6:5-7
Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts. Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar: And he laid it upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged.

Hebrews 12:22-23
But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,


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So let us examine the thoughts and words of the Early Church Fathers regarding Purgatory. Let us examine the Foundation of the Early Church.

"And after the exhibition, Tryphaena again received her [Thecla]. For her daughter Falconilla had died, and said to her in a dream: 'Mother, you shall have this stranger Thecla in my place, in order that she may pray concerning me, and that I may be transferred to the place of the righteous.'" (Acts of Paul and Thecla, AD 160)

"The citizen of a prominent city, I erected this while I lived, that I might have a resting place for my body. Abercius is my name, a disciple of the chaste shepherd who feeds his sheep on the mountains and in the fields, who has great eyes surveying everywhere, who taught me the faithful writings of life. Standing by, I, Abercius, ordered this to be inscribed; truly I was in my seventy-second year. May everyone who is in accord with this and who understands it pray for Abercius." (Epitaph of Abercius, AD 190)

"[T]hat very night, this was shown to me in a vision: I saw Dinocrates going out from a gloomy place, where also there were several others, and he was parched and very thirsty, with a filthy countenance and pallid color, and the wound on his face which he had when he died. This Dinocrates had been my brother after the flesh, seven years of age, who died miserably with disease . . . For him I had made my prayer, and between him and me there was a large interval, so that neither of us could approach to the other. . . . and knew that my brother was in suffering. But I trusted that my prayer would bring help to his suffering; and I prayed for him every day until we passed over into the prison of the camp, for we were to fight in the camp-show. Then . . . I made my prayer for my brother day and night, groaning and weeping that he might be granted to me. Then, on the day on which we remained in fetters, this was shown to me. I saw that that place which I had formerly observed to be in gloom was now bright; and Dinocrates, with a clean body well clad, was finding refreshment. . . . [And] he went away from the water to play joyously, after the manner of children, and I awoke. Then I understood that he was translated from the place of punishment." (The Martyrdom of Perpetua and Felicity 2:3-4, AD 202)

"The strength of the truly believing remains unshaken; and with those who fear and love God with their whole heart, their integrity continues steady and strong. For to adulterers even a time of repentance is granted by us, and peace [i.e., reconciliation] is given. Yet virginity is not therefore deficient in the Church, nor does the glorious design of continence languish through the sins of others. The Church, crowned with so many virgins, flourishes; and chastity and modesty preserve the tenor of their glory. Nor is the vigor of continence broken down because repentance and pardon are facilitated to the adulterer. It is one thing to stand for pardon, another thing to attain to glory; it is one thing, when cast into prison, not to go out thence until one has paid the uttermost farthing; another thing at once to receive the wages of faith and courage. It is one thing, tortured by long suffering for sins, to be cleansed and long purged by fire; another to have purged all sins by suffering. It is one thing, in fine, to be in suspense till the sentence of God at the day of judgment; another to be at once crowned by the Lord." (Cyprian of Carthage, Letters 51[55]:20, AD 253)

"But also, when God will judge the just, it is likewise in fire that he will try them. At that time, they whose sins are uppermost, either because of their gravity or their number, will be drawn together by the fire and will be burned. Those, however, who have been imbued with full justice and maturity of virtue, will not feel that fire; for they have something of God in them which will repel and turn back the strength of the flame." (Lactantius, Divine Institutes 7:21:6, AD 307)

"Then we make mention also of those who have already fallen asleep: first, the patriarchs, prophets, apostles, and martyrs, that through their prayers and supplications God would receive our petition; next, we make mention also of the holy fathers and bishops who have already fallen asleep, and, to put it simply, of all among us who have already fallen asleep, for we believe that it will be of very great benefit to the souls of those for whom the petition is carried up, while this holy and most solemn sacrifice is laid out." (Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lectures 23:5:9, AD 350)

"The time which interposes between the death of a man and the final resurrection holds souls in hidden retreats, accordingly as each is deserving of rest or of hardship, in view of what it merited when it was living in the flesh. Nor can it be denied that the souls of the dead find relief through the piety of their friends and relatives who are still alive, when the Sacrifice of the Mediator [Mass] is offered for them, or when alms are given in the Church. But these things are of profit to those who, when they were alive, merited that they might afterward be able to be helped by these things. There is a certain manner of living, neither so good that there is no need of these helps after death, nor yet so wicked that these helps are of no avail after death." (ibid., 29:109)

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Re: Motoo mo sa mga Kalag sa Purgatorio?
« Reply #52 on: August 14, 2009, 05:35:45 PM »
Nindot inyong postings, I will to take time to go deeper in their meaning, it is not easy to digest them in one sitting, thanks friends1 ;D

I would like to remind and offer you and our Brethren in Christ to look into the writings of the Early Church Fathers; the men that were responsible in the compilation of the works of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John (the foundationof new testament Bible). Read into the works and the notions of the Early Church Fathers, the debates on Christ's Divinity, and the Role of The Holy Spirit in the repudiation of heretical notions that came from excessive personal interpretation(s).


Enjoy and God Bless!



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ALL THE GLORY, HONOR, AND PRAISE BE TO HIM.

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Re: Motoo mo sa mga Kalag sa Purgatorio?
« Reply #54 on: August 14, 2009, 06:13:49 PM »
If you are interested, Manay, the following are great sources of ecumenical information.

By Grace of Christ Jesus and through the Resources provided by the Holy Mother The Church.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/

http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/

http://www.ccel.org/fathers.html

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/

http://biblestudy.churches.net/CCEL/FATHERS2/INDEX.HTM

http://www.zeitun-eg.org/ecfidx.htm


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Glorify His Name!


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Re: Motoo mo sa mga Kalag sa Purgatorio?
« Reply #55 on: August 15, 2009, 01:14:22 AM »
Pare, thanks for the biblical citation.  Belib gjod ko nimo sa imong pagka devoted Christian! I will pray that God will take me in His Kingdom!  Pero Pare...perting puno-a sa purgatorio o sa hell ug mga Germans kay almost every 2nd couple diri diborsiyado man. Better getting divorced than unhappy marriage, di ba?  Sorry...just want to make you laugh....dili ta maboring didto.  Smile Pare  :D

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Re: Motoo mo sa mga Kalag sa Purgatorio?
« Reply #56 on: August 15, 2009, 01:21:24 AM »
God Loves You, Pare Bambi. As He loves me (an unworthy Sinner), but what counts jud is our Love for Him. Despite our sins and our abominable iniquities, we nonetheless have HOPE in HIM.

For Christ said he came to the world not to call the righteous, but came to this world for the sinners. He came to this world to save not condemn.

The one who will judge will be The Father who sent Christ Jesus Into The World.

If you zeal your life in Love of and for Christ Jesus, and do your best--in applying your faith into works that shines your light amongst men, you GLORIFY your FATHER in HEAVEN.

By Faith you are saved. By Faith we are saved, if we have faith in Jesus Christ Our Lord.

But we should also be kind, good, and loving brethren amongst our brothers and sisters. Even If it is hard to do so at times.

Mao na, what Jesus Christ tells us, about Love.

"Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.
1 Peter 4:8

"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.
John 8:34

Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.
Romans 12:9

Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
Romans 13:10


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Re: Motoo mo sa mga Kalag sa Purgatorio?
« Reply #57 on: August 19, 2009, 08:29:44 AM »
Pare, thanks for the biblical citation.  Belib gjod ko nimo sa imong pagka devoted Christian! I will pray that God will take me in His Kingdom!  Pero Pare...perting puno-a sa purgatorio o sa hell ug mga Germans kay almost every 2nd couple diri diborsiyado man. Better getting divorced than unhappy marriage, di ba?  Sorry...just want to make you laugh....dili ta maboring didto.  Smile Pare  :D

speaking of boring ba kaha sa langit...i have this story.

Frank Sinatra arrives in Heaven, standing in front of the door, Holy Peter welcomes him.

"Are you Frank Sinatra?? asked Holy Peter. ;D

"Yes I am." Replied Sinatra.

"Are you the one who sold a hundred million of LP's with your beautiful voice?" asked Holy Peter.

"Yes I am." Replied Sinatra again.

"Were you the one who went out with most beautiful women in the world and married Mia Farrow?" Peter asked.

"That's correct!" Replied Sinatra once again

"Are you also the man who owned a huge ranch in Texas, bought a house in Florida with a private port and boat and also had a grand mansion in Beverly Hills?" Peter asked.

"That's true again" Replied Sinatra .

"Well," said Holy Peter "you may come in Heaven...hope you won't be disappointed..."

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Re: Motoo mo sa mga Kalag sa Purgatorio?
« Reply #58 on: August 19, 2009, 01:04:43 PM »
Pare, thanks for the biblical citation.  Belib gjod ko nimo sa imong pagka devoted Christian! I will pray that God will take me in His Kingdom!  Pero Pare...perting puno-a sa purgatorio o sa hell ug mga Germans kay almost every 2nd couple diri diborsiyado man. Better getting divorced than unhappy marriage, di ba?  Sorry...just want to make you laugh....dili ta maboring didto.  Smile Pare  :D


Bayat, bahala bisan asa ko ibutang kay preha man ta, adto sad ka,  ma bibo jud...

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Re: Motoo mo sa mga Kalag sa Purgatorio?
« Reply #59 on: August 19, 2009, 01:05:51 PM »
Naa ba poy kintolimbo? Nakadungog lng ko ani nga term.

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Re: Motoo mo sa mga Kalag sa Purgatorio?
« Reply #60 on: August 19, 2009, 01:09:36 PM »
  I can't express or discus my religion because i have none. We study the Word of God not using any religion's bible but we go back to the original translation of the bible. We study by categories, isagogics and exegesis method. We don't study religion, we study the Word of God.



Amen!

I agree with you Lee.

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« Reply #61 on: September 24, 2009, 07:51:55 PM »
 ;D  ;D  ;D

Brother Lorenzo, unsa may imong naeskwelahan
nga pwerteng suhitoha man nimo sa Pulong sa Ginoo?
Mora mag naka-graduate kag Doctor of Divinity.
Bishop Lorenzo maoy angay nakong itawag nimo, Bro.
Hehehehehe.

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iyang boses nga morag midako pod. Hahaha!

Di ba sa virtual internet lingo, basta dako Fonts, it is
the same as telling one, "Pay attention and listen well!"
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Re: Motoo mo sa mga Kalag sa Purgatorio?
« Reply #62 on: September 24, 2009, 08:01:34 PM »
Ang Option Sa Bading

Istorya ra ni ha? Way labot ang istasyon ani.
Pakatok ra ni akoa kay pwerteng seryosoha na jod
intawon ninyo tanan. Lorenzo, break ka muna dyan.
Hehehehe.

Namatay ang Bading nga taga ,... taga, ....
ah, basta bisaya nga Bading. Misaka iyang kalag
kay dili na makaya sa gravity sa Earth.

Pag-abot sa taas, miadto siya sa pultahan sa langit
ug nanuktok. Ayo, ayo, naa ba diha akong name oy.
Ug naay mitubag sa likod. Wala. Zero. Suwayi sa pikas.
Basin tua ka didto.

Ug miadto ang Bading sa Impyerno. Nanuktok ug
nagpakisayod kon naa ba iyang name sa listahan.
Dihay misinggit sa likod sa pultahan nga wala daw.

Naglibog ang Bading kon asa siya paingon.
Naghinuktok siya, naghangad-hangad. Ug mikatawa
ang Bading. Ug miingon siya:

"Dili ko madawat sa langit. Dili pod ko dawaton
sa impyerno. Aaah, maayo pa, dinhi lang ko maglatay-
latay sa Rainbow.
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« Reply #63 on: September 24, 2009, 10:19:26 PM »
delikado og sa pag latay2x niya sa rainbow ika himamat niya si satanas, kay bading man kono pod na si tanie moingon jud ang pango' sa mga demonyo og aperrrrr

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« Reply #64 on: September 24, 2009, 11:36:32 PM »
Unsa ka daku ang inyong pag to-o sa mga Kalag sa Purgatorio, nga sila makatabang ug ampo kanato?
doy, akong gi-presentar nga ang mga kalag sa Purgatorio makatabang nato ug ampo.

i dont usually talk about religion here but just wanna share something ive learned from the divine mercy services.

sorry to disagree but i think the above idea is a misconception. we, the living should pray for the dead in purgatory. not the other way around where the souls in purgatory pray for us.

englison na lng nako ha kay mas dali man ko ka explain  ;D

catholics usually pray for the souls in purgatory so they will be saved and accepted in the kingdom of God (heaven). when a person dies either with so many sins or many unresolved issues, the soul may not enter heaven or hell but into the state of purgatory or in limbo; at this stage the soul can not do anything like pray for the living...it is in limbo, hence they really need our fervent prayers to help them be forgiven and that they may rest in peace with the Lord.

if the soul is in purgatory, it will be stuck there till eternity if no one prays for the soul; the more prayers we do and the more frequent we storm the heavens with our prayers, then the Faith of the living will help save the soul.

that is why it is very important for us to pray when a loved one or a family member dies that God wll forgive him/her and may he/she rest in peace and go straight to heaven, and not languish in purgatory.




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« Reply #65 on: September 25, 2009, 03:09:25 AM »
Purgatory is the state of purification before one ascends the ethereal clouds.
If one dies with mortal sin,
If one has died with a questioning faith,
for it is written that, 'Only children such as these who believe can enter the kingdom of God.'

To enter the gates of paradise, we have to have a purified faith in Christ.
WHO IS THE ONLY WAY WE CAN BE SAVED.
CHRIST, AND IN CHRIST ALONE.
And we must have works that speaketh for our faith.
For it is said that faith without works is DEAD.


REJOICE IN GOD'S MESSAGE OF SALVATION.
Let your light shine so bright, so that they may see your good works, and Glorify Your Father who is in Heaven.

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« Reply #66 on: September 25, 2009, 03:11:43 AM »
Just for everyone to think and ponder,

Read Matthew Chapter 5, specially verses 13-16:


“You are the salt of the earth, but if salt has lost its taste, how shall its saltiness be restored? It is no longer good for anything except to be thrown out and trampled under people's feet.

14 “You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Nor do people light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a stand, and it gives light to all in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.

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« Reply #67 on: September 25, 2009, 03:33:25 AM »
Lorenzo is very productive in this thread. Why I posted this topic;
I was taught to have a guiding saint by a priest in St Mary Academy , Guindulman. He suggested that I keep on praying for the poor souls, they need our prayers and they pray also for  us in return when they reach their ultimate destination (to be with God in heaven).I was 15 years old then. Mora sila ug akong abay, basta I pray for them the standard way "eternal rest grant unto them ..."
When I arrived here in Germany, my life was turbulent, too sad to tell.  I keep prayin to the holy souls in the Purgatory and it´s like asking a friend for some support. I do believe they can intercede for us, every mass offered to them is enormous also daily rosaries. My life is not perfect, I´m not wishing one either, but in times of trouble I pray to Him and asks the holy souls for some helping hand.

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« Reply #68 on: September 25, 2009, 03:38:05 AM »
Thanks for sharing that very colorful and beautiful personal anecdote, Manay Wilms, :)
I learn more about you every month!  he he he

You sure are right, manay. Romans 3;23 says it all, "For all have fallen short from the Glory of God, for all have sinned before God."

That is why we, members of the Communion of Saints, have to pray for one another. For the living and the dead.
We are all saints. You, your parents, mine, myself, our friends, etc etc. A saint is a person who believes in Christ. And is saved in Christ.

It is the greater continuum of the truths preached in Catholic Church; the concept of COMMUNION OF SAINTS.

:)

I like this thread. Keep up the great discourse!

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« Reply #69 on: September 25, 2009, 03:41:41 AM »
The Church are the believers, and Christ is our Eternal Priest.

Who shares His eternal life through the breaking of bread and the sharing of blood in Mass.

When we eat His body and drink of His blood, we proclaim the death of Jesus CHrist until his second coming.

It is work of Salvation.

Are you a firm believer in Christ? Do you uphold the Truths of Scripture and Do you earnestly and faithfully accept HIS Body and Blood? Do you, in your heart, proclaim Christ as your PERSONAL RISEN LORD-KING?

Yes? Then you are saved.
Saved.

You will be counted in the Book of Righteous, at the Day of Resurrection.

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« Reply #70 on: September 25, 2009, 03:53:53 AM »
I think I have shared to you before that I cared for my father in-law now deceased, he was a protestant, he was a very loving person. I don`t know how to express my concern to him na-grabe ang iyang Alzheimer. I wished that he got a peaceful transition. I went to church with this wish in my mind, daily. Kalooy sa Diyos, nakaluwas siya, makit-an sa iyang nawong nga peaceful, he died at home. When he was taken by the personnel of the funeral, I gave them a rosary as something he take away with. Now I´m still wishing the same for my mother in-law, and I go to mass daily. What I did not expect that it is somewhat nourishing, spiritually speaking. There are no words to explain exactly how I feel. Daily masses is wonderful!

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« Reply #71 on: September 25, 2009, 04:10:00 AM »
Lorenzo is very productive in this thread. Why I posted this topic;
I was taught to have a guiding saint by a priest in St Mary Academy , Guindulman. He suggested that I keep on praying for the poor souls, they need our prayers and they pray also for  us in return when they reach their ultimate destination (to be with God in heaven).I was 15 years old then. Mora sila ug akong abay, basta I pray for them the standard way "eternal rest grant unto them ..."
When I arrived here in Germany, my life was turbulent, too sad to tell.  I keep prayin to the holy souls in the Purgatory and it´s like asking a friend for some support. I do believe they can intercede for us, every mass offered to them is enormous also daily rosaries. My life is not perfect, I´m not wishing one either, but in times of trouble I pray to Him and asks the holy souls for some helping hand.

yes. we catholics always pray for the intercession from mother Mary, and from all saints in heaven to pray for us and intercede for us so our prayers will be answered.


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« Reply #72 on: September 25, 2009, 04:14:40 AM »
Na mention ba ning purgatorio sa bibliya?

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« Reply #73 on: September 25, 2009, 04:44:40 AM »
Na mention ba ning purgatorio sa bibliya?

no direct word of purgatory pero daghan inferences sa bible like what Enzo has mentioned in page 8....

the belief of purgatory was further enhanced through God's private revelation to saints like St. Faustina (Divine Mercy).

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« Reply #74 on: September 26, 2009, 06:18:31 AM »
Yes there is biblical reference to a state of Purgatory. In the Original Holy Bible, the Catholic Bible, there are books of 2nd Maccabees as well as Sirach (equivalent to Ecclesiastes) and other books that have been removed from the Protestant Bible by Martin Luther, since he, referring to Luther, disagreed with the books and declared them to be 'apochrypal books' or what the Catholic Church refers to them as Second Canon.


Protestants will say there is no reference to Purgatory in the Holy Bible, because well, simply put, Martin Luther and supporters of the Protestant Reformation removed books that vindicated the Teachings and Traditions of the Holy Roman Catholic Church, namely, reference to the Sacraments and the teachings of a Purgatory.

So, the argument will be deviated in the fact that they deny the existence thereof, yet at the same time, they are the ones that deny the accuracy and legitimacy of 2nd Maccabbees and Sirach. For example lang. :)


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Slackware asked, "Where is a state of purgatory mentioned in the Holy Bible?"

I will answer this, by Grace of the Holy Spirit who commands me to speak.

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2 Maccabees 12:42-46.

Turning to supplication, they prayed that the sinful deed might be fully blotted out. The noble Judas warned the soldiers to keep themselves free from sin, for they had seen with their own eyes what had happened because of the sin of those who had died. He then took up a collection among all his soldiers, amounting to two thousand silver drachmas, which he sent to Jerusalem to provide for an expiatory sacrifice. In doing this he acted in a very excellent and noble way, inasmuch as he had the resurrection of the dead in view; for if he were not expecting the fallen to rise again, it would have been useless and foolish to pray for them in death. But if he did this with a view to the splendid reward that awaits those who had gone to rest in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from this sin.



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« Reply #75 on: September 26, 2009, 06:24:03 AM »
The noble Judas ans his fellow comrades made prayers for the dead, as mentioned in 2nd Maccabees, which is an inspired Book in Old Testament. And it was through their prayers that the dead who died in sin were released and atoned.

For prayers of the living rises like incense before the Throne of the Eternal Living God.
Who hears and reads prayers according and appropriated before His Mighty Judgement Seat.

God, who hears all prayers, is a merciful Lord.
Did he not repay the faith of Job after his faith was tested by the devil?

Did he not repay the faithfulness of Mariam and family members of Lazarus when they cried in tears to the foot of Jesus The Christ?
The Lord Jesus Christ, who is MOST LOVING, was moved to tears!
And he resurrected Lazarus, then and there. :)

For the Lord God is a compassionate and Loving God.

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« Reply #76 on: September 28, 2009, 05:34:09 PM »
Please read this folks so you will get a clearer view about this thread, thanks!

http://www.holysoulscrusade.org/maria-simma1.html

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« Reply #77 on: September 30, 2009, 03:25:42 AM »
Thanks for sharing that link, Manay.

:) I myself am a firm believer in the Catholic Teaching of 'Communion of Saints.'

That we all, brothers and sisters in Christ, are to pray for one another. The Living and the Dead.


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« Reply #78 on: September 30, 2009, 04:44:50 AM »
Purgatorio? permi man ko ana makadungog ako granny
bet. heaven and hell daw?

no further comments ky ala pa may mitaliwan unya mibalik og nagpahibalo? ;D

sorry po ala koy alamag  ;D

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« Reply #79 on: September 30, 2009, 01:03:35 PM »
Purgatorio? permi man ko ana makadungog ako granny
bet. heaven and hell daw?

no further comments ky ala pa may mitaliwan unya mibalik og nagpahibalo? ;D

sorry po ala koy alamag  ;D

I admire your honesty and humility, Ms. BlueAngel.

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