Author Topic: Motoo mo sa mga Kalag sa Purgatorio? (Read 15219 times)

hofelina · « **on:** August 13, 2009, 02:41:23 PM »

Unsa ka daku ang inyong pag to-o sa mga Kalag sa Purgatorio, nga sila makatabang ug ampo kanato?

Our Lady of Knock, Ireland

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #1 on:** August 13, 2009, 02:46:29 PM »

If you believe in your heart and soul : That Jesus Christ Is the Only Begotten Son of God the Father, that he was crucified on the cross and that God raised Him on the 3rd day, and have accepted him Him in your heart as your Personal Lord and Savior.

You WILL Be saved.

Saved. You will be saved.

No Ifs Ands or Buts. Saved.

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hofelina · « **Reply #2 on:** August 13, 2009, 02:47:56 PM »

[

THE GREAT NOVENA

in preparation for

THE FEAST OF OUR LADY OF KNOCK
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14th to 22nd August

NOVENA TO OUR LADY OF KNOCK

In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

Give praise to the Father Almighty, To His Son, Jesus Christ the Lord, To the Spirit who lives in our hearts, Both now and forever Amen.

Our Lady of Knock, Queen of Ireland, you gave hope to your people in a time of distress, and comforted them in sorrow. You have inspired countless pilgrims to pray with confidence to your divine Son, remembering His promise, "Ask and you shall receive, seek and you shall find."

Help me to remember that we are all pilgrims on the road to heaven. Fill me with love and concern for my brothers and sisters in Christ, especially those who live with me. Comfort me when 1 am sick, lonely or depressed. Teach me how to take part ever more reverently in the Holy Mass. Give me a greater love of Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament. Pray for me now, and at the hour of my death. Amen.

Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world; Have mercy on us.
Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world; Have mercy on us.
Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world; Grant us peace.

St. Joseph,

Chosen by God to be the Husband of Mary, the Protector of the Holy Family, the Guardian of the Church.protect all families in their work and recreation and Guard us on our journey through life.

Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world; Have mercy on us.
Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world; Have mercy on us.
Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world; Grant us peace.

St. John,

Beloved Disciple of the Lord, Faithful priest.Teacher of the Word of God. Help us to hunger for the Word.To be loyal to the Mass And to love one another

Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world; Have mercy on us.
Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world; Have mercy on us.
Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world; Grant us peace.

Our Lady of Knock
Refuge of Sinners
Queen Assumed into Heaven
Queen of the Rosary
Mother of Nazareth
Queen of Virgins
Help of Christians
Health of the Sick
Queen of Peace
Our Lady Queen and Mother
Our Lady, Mother of the Church Pray for us
Pray tor us
Pray for us
Pray tor us
Pray for us
Pray tor us
Pray for us
Pray tor us
Pray for us
Pray tor us

(Here mention your own special intentions)

With the Angels and Saints let us pray'.Give praise to the Father Almighty, To His Son, Jesus Christ the Lord, To the Spirit who lives in our hearts, Both now and forever. Amen.

INSTRUCTION

The Rosary or Mass and Holy Communion is recommended each day.

The National Public Novena takes place each year at Knock Shrine from the 14th to the 22nd August. Prayer Leaflets may be had from the Shrine Office. Two sessions are held daily, namely at 3 p.m. and 8.30 p.m. Both sessions commence with Concelebrated Mass in the Basilica which is followed by a Procession to the Apparition Gable. A procession of the Blessed Sacrament is held in the afternoon and the beautiful candlelight procession takes place at night. For those who cannot be present, the Novena may be made at home or in the local church. This gives them a share in the Masses and prayers being offered each day at the Shrine.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #3 on:** August 13, 2009, 02:53:56 PM »

Zephaniah 3:17,
The LORD your God is with you, he is mighty to save. He will take great delight in you, he will quiet you with his love, he will rejoice over you with singing."

John 3:16
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Romans 10:9
That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

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Jesus Is Lord!
My Savior Is Lord!

Repent and be Saved!

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #4 on:** August 13, 2009, 02:56:38 PM »

My belief is that if you Declare with your mouth and your soul that JESUS IS LORD,
you will be saved.

Saved.

There is no Other Name in Heaven to which we will be saved
NONE!

None BUT Jesus Christ.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #5 on:** August 13, 2009, 03:00:54 PM »

Jesus Conquored the Grave!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qNOMLS6weE

SALVATION ON HIGH!

GLORIFY HIM!
AND ONLY HIM!

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #6 on:** August 13, 2009, 03:06:41 PM »

Automatically if a person believes that Jesus IS LORD and believes 100% in the LORD and that THE LORD JESUS CHRIST SAVIOR ON HIGH died for our sins on the Cross of Redemption, that individual will be SAVED!

Ye they may be dead, but they will be raised on Judgment Day to be Judged according to their faith and their deeds of faith.

Purgatory, in my belief is a place for those who had some faith, but had a questioning faith. A doubting faith.

Don't doubt!

Just Believe! Accept that Christ died for your sin and satiated the sacrifice as Heaven's Perfect Lamb. Accept HIM into your hearts and put your trust IN HIM.

And You will be Saved!

For it is written, "None can come to the Father but Through Me."

Christ is the LIFE, WAY AND THE RESURRECTION!

NO WAY, NO OTHER WAY OR NAME OR PERSON IN THIS WORLD will guarantee salvation, BUT JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD!

In Christ and CHRIST ALONE.
He who has AUTHORITY EVERLASTING.
He who is ALPHA AND OMEGA.

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hofelina · « **Reply #7 on:** August 13, 2009, 05:25:30 PM »

doy, akong gi-presentar nga ang mga kalag sa Purgatorio makatabang nato ug ampo. You are tright that through Christ alone can we be saved.

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simplylee · « **Reply #8 on:** August 13, 2009, 08:08:28 PM »

kun ako ang pangutan on dili ko motoo

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Bambi · « **Reply #9 on:** August 13, 2009, 08:15:42 PM »

kun ako ang pangutan on dili ko motoo

langit ra ug imperyno ra diay, Ms. simplylee? Di ba matod sa atong nakat-onan nga ang namatay atong pangadjean ug 9 ka gabi-i kay aron ang iyang kalag nga ana-a pa sa Purgatorio atong iampo nga makasaka sa langit? Sayang lang hikay para sa manabat nga dili man diay ni makatabang, di ba?

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simplylee · « **Reply #10 on:** August 13, 2009, 09:48:40 PM »

para nako na ms bambi pero para sa uban wa koy comment, naa man sa Hebrews 9:27 nga " and as it is appointed unto men once to die but after this judgment " wala man pod ko kabasa sa bibliya nga inig kamatay sa tawo naa pa siyay lain nga adtuan. ang akong natun-an nga sa diha nga mamatay ang tawo duha ra ang iyang kapaingnan: kun siya hingtuo sa gibuhat ni Ginoong Hesukristo sa krus busa siya moadto sa langit
ug kun siya mosalikway niini nan siya adto sa pagkalaglag John 3:16 For GOD so loved the world that HE gave HIS only begotten SON that whosoever believes in HIM should not perish but have everlasting life.

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Bambi · « **Reply #11 on:** August 13, 2009, 09:58:30 PM »

Thank you very much Ms. simplylee. Had intended to read the Holy Bible but makalibog man. Mao nga ang ahong pagtoo sa Ginoo simple lang. Mao bitaw tingali, nga bisan ug unsaon pag-ampo sa ningpanaw dili na gjod na makatabang kay mao man siguro basihan ang iyang maayo o mangil-ad nga binuhatan samtang buhi pa siya ning kalibutan. Just a personal question to you: I am a baptized Christian and I believe God in my own way, am not successively attending masses but I solely devote prayers anytime and anywhere. And according to our belief....am a sinner coz I am a second marriage offender but am happy now than my first attempt. Am in hell as what the others said. Do you think...our good Lord will not acknowledge my personal persuasion? Abi baja naho ug sa Purgatorio ko ibutang?

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simplylee · « **Reply #12 on:** August 13, 2009, 10:17:33 PM »

ang pagsalikway sa gibuhat ni GINOONG HESUKRISTO SA KRUS mao ang makapaadto sa tawo sa linaw nga kalayo, kay dili man ang binuhatan mao ang basihan nga ang tawo maluwas, Ephesians 2:8&9 for by grace you are saved through faith and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of GOD, not of works, lest any man should boast.

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #13 on:** August 13, 2009, 10:24:11 PM »

ang pagsalikway sa gibuhat ni GINOONG HESUKRISTO SA KRUS mao ang makapaadto sa tawo sa linaw nga kalayo, kay dili man ang binuhatan mao ang basihan nga ang tawo maluwas, Ephesians 2:8&9 for by grace you are saved through faith and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of GOD, not of works, lest any man should boast.

Korek jud na Lee. Pero kanang uban Lee nga naay faith pero ilang gipaagi sa image? gilalisan naman na sa uban nga thread nato. Para nako, di man jud na totally faith kay sa image man sila ning tuo...

Di na lang ko makig lalis ug naa man gani mo sumpay ani, kay kabaw ko naay mo contradict ani karon about images.

taman ra ko ani.

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simplylee · « **Reply #14 on:** August 13, 2009, 10:30:05 PM »

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen

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Moyhua · « **Reply #15 on:** August 13, 2009, 11:13:46 PM »

langit ra ug imperyno ra diay, Ms. simplylee? Di ba matod sa atong nakat-onan nga ang namatay atong pangadjean ug 9 ka gabi-i kay aron ang iyang kalag nga ana-a pa sa Purgatorio atong iampo nga makasaka sa langit? Sayang lang hikay para sa manabat nga dili man diay ni makatabang, di ba?

Dihay pari ni ingon nga kanang "Purgatorio" ang mga kalag kono ana murag gipurga, aron makasaka sa langit.

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Moyhua · « **Reply #16 on:** August 13, 2009, 11:14:41 PM »

Pero og mag ampo ko, tanang kalag jud, labi na ang mga kalag nga wla nay nagdumdum nila. Amen.

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eganamoc · « **Reply #17 on:** August 14, 2009, 08:42:37 AM »

ang mga kalag sa purgatorio maoy nanginahanglan sa atong mga pag-ampo

ajaw paglaum ug naay motabang sa imong kaugalingon
mas bulahan ka kung ikaw ang makatabang sa mga mas nanginahanglan pa kanimo

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #18 on:** August 14, 2009, 10:12:25 AM »

Thank you very much Ms. simplylee. Had intended to read the Holy Bible but makalibog man. Mao nga ang ahong pagtoo sa Ginoo simple lang. Mao bitaw tingali, nga bisan ug unsaon pag-ampo sa ningpanaw dili na gjod na makatabang kay mao man siguro basihan ang iyang maayo o mangil-ad nga binuhatan samtang buhi pa siya ning kalibutan. Just a personal question to you: I am a baptized Christian and I believe God in my own way, am not successively attending masses but I solely devote prayers anytime and anywhere. And according to our belief....am a sinner coz I am a second marriage offender but am happy now than my first attempt. Am in hell as what the others said. Do you think...our good Lord will not acknowledge my personal persuasion? Abi baja naho ug sa Purgatorio ko ibutang?

No one is condemning anyone, Bambi. And your reiteration of you being a sinner, is a UNIVERSAL TRUTH. As we are all sinners, for none of us are perfect or righteous in the eyes of God. NONE!

Romans 3:23, "For all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God."

The matter of redemption and salvation exists between you and Your God. Our God.
If you believe in your Heart and Mind that Jesus Christ is LORD and that God The Father raised HIM on the 3rd day, you WILL BE saved!

If you accept Jesus Christ as YOUR personal LORD and SAVIOR, you will be Saved.

For it is written, "For No One can come to the Father, but Through Me."

Christ Saves.
Christ is Salvation On High.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #19 on:** August 14, 2009, 10:25:44 AM »

To Ate Lee,

We must analyze the entire words of Ephesians Chapter 2. Not selective verses.
True, it is by Faith that we have been saved. However, one has to read the following verses to gain the Fuller picture regarding salvation and in regards to good works.

So I will provide verses 8-10 from Ephesians Chapter 2;

"8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."
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Ephesians Chapter 2 verses 9-10 is Direct. None of us, should boast of salvation, as salvation is a GIFT, a gift that Christ has given to those who are open to recieve Salvation--in ACCEPTING HIM as LORD AND SAVIOR.

However It is directly clear that verse 10 indicates, "for we are HIS workmanshi, created in JESUS CHRIST unto good works, which GOD HAS ORDAINED that we should walk in them."

What does that verse say, Ate Lee?
Does it say for us to ignore good works and that salvation is secured in just faith?
Does this justify ANYONE to do bad, kill, break all the laws and commandments that the prophets gave to the people (by command of GOD), and use salvation as a ticket to do bad and evil? Of course not!

We are commanded to walk in Good works! We are commanded to follow Christ and to pick up the cross in our own lives!

On the contrary, for those who are biblical literalists, then I suggest you read verses from James.

Let me share and provide you with some that support that salvation is secured in FAITH AND GOOD WORKS!

:What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him?
15
If a brother or sister has nothing to wear and has no food for the day,
16
and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, keep warm, and eat well," but you do not give them the necessities of the body, what good is it?
17
So also faith of itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18
Indeed someone might say, "You have faith and I have works." Demonstrate your faith to me without works, and I will demonstrate my faith to you from my works.
19
You believe that God is one. You do well. Even the demons believe that and tremble.
(James 2: 14-19)

to Complete the message I am sharing with all of you!

: "Do you want proof, you ignoramus, that faith without works is useless?
21
Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar?
22
You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by the works.
23
Thus the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called "the friend of God."
24
See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone."
(James 2: 20-24)

YOU ARE SAVED NOT JUST BY FAITH!
BUT BY FAITH AND GOOD WORKS!

AMEN!

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #20 on:** August 14, 2009, 10:29:52 AM »

Correction to All!

We are commanded that we walk in good works that justify OUR FAITH!

Don't be HYPOCRITES!

That believe and use faith alone, but whose actions are THE VERY ANTITHESIS OF THE FAITH IN CHRIST JESUS!

CHRIST JESUS TELLS US THAT HE HAS NOT COME TO THE WORLD TO ABOLISH THE LAW OF THE PROPHETS, BUT TO COMPLETE THE LAW!!

SO IF YOU BREAK THE LAW, YOU ARE SUBJECT TO JUDGEMENT!

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Matthew 5:16:
In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #21 on:** August 14, 2009, 10:33:21 AM »

Dihay pari ni ingon nga kanang "Purgatorio" ang mga kalag kono ana murag gipurga, aron makasaka sa langit.

gipurga, kay tingali'g gibitok. hehehe, peace.

ang Purga, gikan baya nas pulong nga PURGATION, mao pod na ang PURGATORY.

kay ako mang naunhan og hisgot og bitok, ako lang nang gamiton pod. kay kung ang lawas nato naay bitok, dili man tood ka grabe nga masakiton, pero nagpasabot gihapon na nga dili himsog imong lawas. ana pod atong kalag, kung mamatay ta nga dili hingpit atong paghinulsol, mura lang tag gibitok ana; dili man ka angay ibutang sa impierno kay "gibitok" man lang ka, busa ibutang kas "purgahanan".

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #22 on:** August 14, 2009, 10:35:03 AM »

tua na sad sagulan na sad lagi ug pakatok!!! ahahaha!

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Barbaro · « **Reply #23 on:** August 14, 2009, 10:39:25 AM »

ug akong lolo pa, walay namatay ug hingbailik miingon ug naay purgatoryo.. purya lukap.. sa mga katigulangan pa.

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AsPo · « **Reply #24 on:** August 14, 2009, 10:40:17 AM »

glace mao na,sa purgatoryo nga imo gipoy an pauli og dili MOANGAY.

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #25 on:** August 14, 2009, 10:41:57 AM »

Cat, mao man na kadtong ora pro nobis??

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #26 on:** August 14, 2009, 10:42:26 AM »

Matthew 5:17-20,
:"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #27 on:** August 14, 2009, 10:47:16 AM »

This is a good thread.

It is beautiful how the Catholic Faith has remained firm with its teachings these 2 thousand years.

The Protestant notion and defense is weak, imho.

Selective ilang variety.

Ang Catholic View, the TRUE VIEW, is to examine the Scriptural Words completely and in whole. And in Practice.

Legitimacy, in the end, falls into the Catholic View.

For who had the AUTHORITY to write and compile the Holy Bible.
The Roman Catholic Church, folks.

Always has. Always will.

hehe

REPENT AND BE SAVED!

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AsPo · « **Reply #28 on:** August 14, 2009, 10:47:46 AM »

sa pangadye bitaw miss da bins nga sa langob amo gipuyan imo kami tabangan.ang ako lolo ba,sige pangadje sus natog man kalit man lang na sya og sumpay nga sa langob inyo gipuy an pauli og dili moangay.pastilan pinaghakay katawa,naguba ang pangadje labina kay hing utot pod og pag kakusog

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #29 on:** August 14, 2009, 11:01:11 AM »

tua na sad sagulan na sad lagi ug pakatok!!! ahahaha!

unsay pakatok nga mao man kana ang luyo sa maong pagtulun-an.

naa pa koy sumpay ana. kay kinig maong pagtulun-ana, ang gipaluyuhan ani nga pagsabot mao ang HUSTISYA sa Ginoo. kung ikaw konoy Diyos, mdb, kung ang Langit angay lang sa NAHINLO NA, unsa may imong buhaton atong pwde unta makasulod apan, BULINGIT (kay namatay gikan nanglili sa abohan), di ba kaha ka Cruel kung di nimo tagaan og chance? di ba kaha pod "unfair" sa mga nagpakatarongm kung imo lang pasudlon dayon nga bulingit pa man? busa, naa jud lugar para ana nila. arong makapanghilam-os. beh, makaingon kaha ko nga di ka maayong pagka-DIYOS kung ingon ana ka? hehe.

glace mao na,sa purgatoryo nga imo gipoy an pauli og dili MOANGAY.

ingon ani man tingali to: sa langob nga akong gipuy-an, migawas kay giinitan.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #30 on:** August 14, 2009, 11:15:13 AM »

"Show me your faith without works, and I will show you my works that justify my faith."

Message ni from James.

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Do you all want proof that good works and kindness amongst brethren justifies faith that saves?

I will show you!

Matthew 25: 31-46

31"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'

37"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'

40"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'

41"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'

44"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'

45"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'

46"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

WORKS!
SALVATION DEPENDS ON A JUSTIFIED FAITH!
GOOD WORKS JUSTIFIES FAITH!

DON'T BE DECIEVED!

REPENT AND BE SAVED!

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #31 on:** August 14, 2009, 11:16:38 AM »

ganahan jud ko sa dagko nga letra kay makabasa ko! kadtong gagmay malibat jud ko adto.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #32 on:** August 14, 2009, 11:23:17 AM »

Most important thing is that you take the 'take home message'

and not on selective verses that others provide.

I invite everyone to Read Sacred Scripture.

And not just from the reiterations of select verses that others of us provide.

Ug mo open ang tawo sa iyang heart to the Holy Spirit, and in Loving And Surrendering yourself to Christ Jesus's Protection and Care, you are justified.

Justified ang faith, so you are blessed with faith. As we are told!
"You are city on a hill, a light unto the house. Let your Light shine before men so that they will see your good works and GLORIFY your FATHER WHO IS IN HEAVEN."

SO GLORIFY HIM!
BELIEVE! AND DO GOOD!

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Don't be like the HYPOCRITES that just believe,
but whose actions are murder, lying, thief, adultery, conniving, cheating, destruction, causing tension amongst brothers, hate etc.

All the vices that are ABOMINABLE TO THE LORD GOD IN HEAVEN!

HYPOCRITES!

MAY THE LORD GOD REBUKE THEM!

REPENT!

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Raquelproud boholana · « **Reply #33 on:** August 14, 2009, 01:43:26 PM »

ganahan jud ko sa dagko nga letra kay makabasa ko! kadtong gagmay malibat jud ko adto.

hehehe mao pud ko,pasayloa Ginoo kay bastag verse na gani laktawan naho permi. familar naman gud ba segi balik balik basa.
Bibohan jud ko ug magpalakaw na ug pangadje bitaw kay daghan manabat unja naa poy painit inig human.
Sa langub among gipoy an imo kaming panalipdan. Ang binuang ani kay sa langub among gipoy an ing gawas kami kay gialimot an.

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Raquelproud boholana · « **Reply #34 on:** August 14, 2009, 01:56:19 PM »

Ako Manay Motuo ko ug mga Kalag sa Purgatoryo. Sayang raman to atong gipamisa madominggo ug di ta motuo

Bitaw seriously naa may patay na ingbalik ug nakakita ug heaven ug hell naa poy inghapit sa purgatoryo.I google ragud ang Near Death Experience. Si Blessed Josepa Melendez(gibayaw na ba ni siya pagkasantos?) naa na siyay story about purgatory. Ug ganahan mo mobasa ug detail sa mga kalag i google ni The Unpublished Manuscript of the Soul In Purgatory. Mao man ning ato sila pamisahan ug iampo kay di naman ni sila kaampo sa ilang kaugalingon pareha natong buhi pero makaampo ni sila nato in return sa favor nga atong gibuhat nila.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #35 on:** August 14, 2009, 02:57:41 PM »

For those that are Catholic Christians and Non-Catholic Christians.

I will reiterate the Apostolic Message that has been supported by the Roman Catholic Eccleciasticum since time memorial. From Papacy to Papacy. From Bishopric to Bishopric.

We, we who are brethren in Christ, make up the Family In Christ. We are to pray for one another, for one another, and raise our prayers to Christ, who is head, the High Priest of our Family.

You see, this is the basis of Roman Catholic Ecclessicum, "The Communion of Saints."

This communion begins in baptism, and continues on, even unto death.
We pray for one another; for the living and the dead.

For it is written , "That the prayers of the saints rises like incense unto the Throne of the Eternal Living God."

So pray. Pray continuously. Pray Hard. Pray in short form, in long form.
Make your request to the Lord God.

For Christ told us, brothers and sisters in the Faith, "He who knocks, the door shall be uponed unto you; for he who asketh, shall be given; for he who seeketh, he shall find; for he who asketh, he shall be given."
Ask it of Jesus' Name, and it will be given.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #36 on:** August 14, 2009, 03:01:48 PM »

My message to Roman Catholics (practicing and those who are re-tracing their way to THE CHURCH):

Do not be so worried in the views and in the comments of apostacy.
Do not be decieved.
For there is Only One Church
One Church that is Anointed by the Most High God.
One Church that was Established and rooted in Peter The Rock.
One Church that has the Power to Bind And Loose.
What is lost in earth, will also be lost in Heaven.
What is bound in earth, will be bound in Heaven.
As was promised by Christ Jesus to Peter.
The First Pontifical Head of the Roman Catholic Church.

Faith: Believe and Do Good.
Even to those who curse you and I.
Bless them. Bless them and pray for them.

God Bless!

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #37 on:** August 14, 2009, 03:15:30 PM »

I will nail the coffin shut, in this debate/discussion.

Purgatory is indeed biblical. For anyone to even question is ludicrous. How can anyone question the Roman Catholic Church's teachings as being 'unbiblical' when it was the Holy Roman Catholic Church that compiled and wrote the Holy Bible, and it was the Holy Roman Catholic Church that finally decreed and solidified the Divinity of Christ in the Council of Niceae as well as in Trent.

It was always the Holy Roman Catholic Church that has forwarded Truth and corrected the Apostacies and the Lies and Misunderstandings of a perverse generation.

There were apostates in the times of the EARLY CHURCH FATHERS, as there are APOSTATES even now.

Those who claim that Purgatory is 'unbiblcal' is not fully well versed in the Holy Bible.

Read 2 Maccabees 12: 42-46;
"Turning to supplication, they prayed that the sinful deed might be fully blotted out. The noble Judas warned the soldiers to keep themselves free from sin, for they had seen with their own eyes what had happened because of the sin of those who had died. He then took up a collection among all his soldiers, amounting to two thousand silver drachmas, which he sent to Jerusalem to provide for an expiatory sacrifice. In doing this he acted in a very excellent and noble way, inasmuch as he had the resurrection of the dead in view; for if he were not expecting the fallen to rise again, it would have been useless and foolish to pray for them in death. But if he did this with a view to the splendid reward that awaits those who had gone to rest in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from this sin. "

(The book of Maccabees does not exist in the Protestant Bible; since the Protestant Bible is a simplified bible; it has removed some old testament books that are antagatory to their teachings. Note that the ORIGINAL BIBLE = THE CATHOLIC BIBLE.)

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #38 on:** August 14, 2009, 03:24:14 PM »

This is why I say and have argued this in my debate with Protestant brothers that the Protestant Bible is flawed. Flawed since it has removed Old Testament Books.

Everything that the Catholic Church teaches; from Cathechesis to Prayer is Scriptural/ Bible Based.

This is where the defense of Catholic Doctrina comes in: TRUTH IN SCRIPTURAL AND CHURCH TRADITION.

Glory be to God In the Highest.
Honor, Glory, And Praise belongs to HIM.

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simplylee · « **Reply #39 on:** August 14, 2009, 03:26:41 PM »

good works result from having doctrine resident in our soul(having the mind of CHRIST) when a person accepts the Lord Jesus Christ as his/her personal savior he/she must grow spiritually 2Peter 3:18 But you grow in grace and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.To Him be glory both now and forever. Amen.
Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, by washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy spirit.
Works automatically result from being mature spiritually through post salvation epistemological rehabilatation(daily intake of the word of GOD)
When a person is born-again (spiritually)he/she is like a baby who needs spiritual milk or food,which is the Word of God, as he/she grow spiritually through PSER, he/she will recognize what is the plan of God for his/her life, that's the time divine good works happen.

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