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Matthew 23:15
« on: February 24, 2011, 05:44:28 PM »
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. (KJV)



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Re: Matthew 23:15
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2011, 07:21:20 AM »
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. (KJV)



This is one anti-Jewish quote in the bible.

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Re: Matthew 23:15
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2011, 07:31:11 AM »
This is one anti-Jewish quote in the bible.

It was a rebuke by Jesus Christ on the scribes and pharisees of the day who did not accept the Word of God. It was a response from Jesus Christ after the pharisees were trying to denounce Him. Again, Christ's message to us in Matthew Chapter 23 was the importance of Faith in the Word rather than the two faced adherence of the Law.

Jesus Christ, our Risen Lord ends Matthew Chapter 23, with verses 37 to 39.


"37 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not! 38 See, your house is left to you desolate. 39 For I tell you, you will not see me again, until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord."




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Re: Matthew 23:15
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2011, 07:34:27 AM »
Christ Jesus tells us, my dear brothers, that salvation is not come through works by men, but by Faith. It is through Faith in the Rightousness of the Lord and in His Resurrection that one is saved.

For it is written:

“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”
-Ephesians 2:8,9

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Re: Matthew 23:15
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2011, 08:07:24 AM »

It was a rebuke by Jesus Christ on the scribes and pharisees of the day who did not accept the Word of God. It was a response from Jesus Christ after the pharisees were trying to denounce Him. Again, Christ's message to us in Matthew Chapter 23 was the importance of Faith in the Word rather than the two faced adherence of the Law.
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Jesus Christ rebuked the scribes and pharisees because these Jewish sects are firm believers of the Torah. They did not believe Jesus as God. Jesus as redeemer of the gentiles abrogate the law of Moses. Jesus revised the law of Moses.

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Jesus Christ, our Risen Lord ends Matthew Chapter 23, with verses 37 to 39.


"37 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not! 38 See, your house is left to you desolate. 39 For I tell you, you will not see me again, until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord."
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This is another statement in the NT that the Jews killed their prophets. It's an insult to Jews if you ask them who are the prophets they killed... because I think there is none. This is another anti-Judaism statement in the NT. In verse 38 the NT even cursed the house of Israel to become desolate.

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Christ Jesus tells us, my dear brothers, that salvation is not come through works by men, but by Faith. It is through Faith in the Rightousness of the Lord and in His Resurrection that one is saved.

For it is written:

“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”
-Ephesians 2:8,9
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This one is sola fide. This is a defense mechanism of "Praise the Lord Christians" that by faith alone man can be saved no matter what as long as you believe.

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Re: Matthew 23:15
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2011, 11:55:08 AM »
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Jesus Christ rebuked the scribes and pharisees because these Jewish sects are firm believers of the Torah. They did not believe Jesus as God. Jesus as redeemer of the gentiles abrogate the law of Moses. Jesus revised the law of Moses.

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This is another statement in the NT that the Jews killed their prophets. It's an insult to Jews if you ask them who are the prophets they killed... because I think there is none. This is another anti-Judaism statement in the NT. In verse 38 the NT even cursed the house of Israel to become desolate.

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This one is sola fide. This is a defense mechanism of "Praise the Lord Christians" that by faith alone man can be saved no matter what as long as you believe.

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Thank you for added information, Way Nada. As always, you parry such great wealth of information to these threads.

My response to your points:

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The Hebrews rejection of Christ only manifests their history of rejecting every single prophet that was sent to them by God.
    1a. The Pharisees and the Sadducees tried t connive their points to Christ, however, every single time Christ corrected them before the people and humbled their ill intents.
    1b. The Hebrews were still worshiping God in the walls of Jerusalem. When this was no longer necessary. In the beautiful conversation between the Samaritan woman by the well, Jesus tells us that the time is now when we worship God in the spirit, and no longer have to be in Jerusalem to worship Him.

     here is the verse:
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21 “Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”
-John 4: 21-24


2. The anti-semitic statement was more so a response and a defense, Way Nada. It is important to note that when the letters from Paul were written at the time, there was a harsh anti-Christian crackdown by the Jews. If you remember, Paul (formerly Saul) was a Jewish pharisee who was responsible for the arrest and execution of Christians. He was responsible for the execution of St. Stephen, an early Christian martyr.

However, Paul would be converted to Christianity not by force, but by seeing Christ on the road as he was blinded by light. Paul's eventual message of supposed condemnation of the Jews is meant to strengthen the growing and persecuted Christian faith / community at the time.

The Jews, who do not believe Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, will eventually answer for this during the day of Judgment.

For it is written, those who deny Jesus Christ before men, Jesus too will deny them before His Father in Heaven. But those who accept Him before men, Jesus will accept and recognize them before His Father in Heaven during the day of Judgment.


3. Sole Fide, is an integral aspect of Catholic Ecclesia as well. Salvation is by Faith, however, faith is also manifested in one's living faith.








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Re: Matthew 23:15
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2011, 01:42:52 PM »
Christ Jesus tells us, my dear brothers, that salvation is not come through works by men, but by Faith. It is through Faith in the Rightousness of the Lord and in His Resurrection that one is saved.

For it is written:

“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”
-Ephesians 2:8,9

Tinuod ba ni Bro? Nagbasa man gud ko ug mga apologetics ug sa Catholic Doctrines nga nag ingon ang SALVATION is through faith plus work.

James 2:14-26 (New International Version, ©2011)

Faith and Deeds

 14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them?
15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
 18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”

   Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

 20 You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless[a]? 21 Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend. 24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.

 25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.




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Re: Matthew 23:15
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2011, 01:46:20 PM »
Tinuod ba ni Bro? Nagbasa man gud ko ug mga apologetics ug sa Catholic Doctrines nga nag ingon ang SALVATION is through faith plus work.

James 2:14-26 (New International Version, ©2011)

Faith and Deeds

 14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them?
15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
 18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”

   Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

 20 You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless[a]? 21 Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend. 24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.

 25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.




The beauty of Faith, bro, is that it is expressed. There is the spiritual expression of faith and the actual expression of Faith.

This is where we are all told to be "both hearers and doers of the WORD". :)

You are right bro, Faith is to be showed and declared.

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Re: Matthew 23:15
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2011, 01:52:02 PM »
This is averse from James 1:23, "For if a man be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he shall be compared to a man beholding his own countenance in a glass. "

Faith in Christ Jesus should also resound in one's life , through how this person handles life situations, thinks, and performs. The letter from St. James tells us, and reminds us that we , all of us should evade becoming pharisees who were merely hearers of the word and not doers.

Good point, Vince, and thank you for making that correction.

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Re: Matthew 23:15
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2011, 02:01:55 PM »
Thank you Bro for the clarification. And thank you for the inspiration in the faith which drives me to know more about the Church, its beauty and history. ;D

You are an inspiration in my growth in the faith.

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Re: Matthew 23:15
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2011, 02:04:33 PM »
We are here for each other, bro. To help and inspire one other. :)

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