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« Reply #60 on: July 12, 2008, 11:20:17 PM »



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« Reply #61 on: July 12, 2008, 11:32:41 PM »
Kulukadidang?Kalami aning webster binisdak.hahahahhahahaha
Ayaw jod ko hisguti ug bahin sa tuli kay malibat ko. ;D pasayloa tawon ang nakawagtang sa topic.hahahaha.What is TB without kulukadidang.

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« Reply #62 on: July 13, 2008, 12:00:06 AM »
sis Aya, what is TB without the igat club. kabalo kana kinsay mga membro ana. hat-.-hat!!

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« Reply #63 on: July 13, 2008, 12:47:14 AM »



A, what is TB without the IGAT club? sus ka boring tingali! hahahaha

ang presidente sa Igat club kay akong i appoint si Bayat a.k.a Bambi, kumadreng Tigolsna, BOC!!! ;D

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« Reply #64 on: July 13, 2008, 02:25:19 AM »

The reason why I asked the question was to see if we can find any biblical reference to the practice of circumcision, which has been a practice to not only of the People of the Book (the Jewish people) as well as Early Christians and even to Orthodox and Catholics to this present era.

The question was to see if we could find any specific reference that supports it or disinclines the use of circumcision. And as we found out, there were passages in scripture that supports the traditional use of circumcission--initially it was mandated by the Most High to the Hebrews as a sign of the covenant between Abraham and The Most High.

The specific scriptural passage that indicates this is found in Genesis 17:9-10 which states,

And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations. This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.

and again in Romans 4:11

And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also.

and again in Genesis 17:12-13

And THE LORD said unto him, And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.


Though there are scriptural references of circumcission in the Old Testament, from which we have observed in these specific passages, there were other references in the New Testament that indicates that salvation does not require circumcission. The act of circumcission was intended for the Jews, the Chosen People {People of the Book}. For modern Christians to be circumcissed or not is within their own choosing; it is an act of faith and or personal conviction.

Because we know that salvation does not require circumcission, but faith and acceptance in Christ Jesus. Who is the Word Incarnate.

We have specific reference for this.


Circumcision applied to the slaves of Jews. Apart from that, circumcision never applied to people outside the Jewish faith. The first covenant was not with other nations. All other people were described as uncircumcised, even those who practised circumcision (Jeremiah 9:25-26). Circumcision never applied to Christians (Acts 15:5-11). The Apostle Peter, who was circumcised, said:

... we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will.
-Acts 15:11

No. Christians were freed from the Law, including circumcision (Acts 15:1-20). It was described as an almost unbearable yoke on the neck (Acts 15: 10). The yoke, of course, was a sign of slavery and Christians were told not to become entangled with 'a yoke of bondage' (Galatians 5:1-2).

The Law as we read it contains things that appall us, such as forcing a rapist to marry his victim (Deuteronomy 22:28-29) or rejecting people born out of wedlock and their descendants (Deuteronomy 23:2). However, almost all of us read the Law in translation, which inevitably changes and distorts the text. Even fewer read it with a background of the checks, balances and insights of the Jewish oral and legal tradition. This has contributed to atrocities such as when Christians used Exodus 22:18 to justify the slaughter of 'witches' or other verses to justify slavery and the slave trade (e.g., Exodus 21:2-11, 20-21, Leviticus 25:44-46 and Deuteronomy 20:10-15).

Christ Jesus even mentioned circumcission in his teachings, we see this in John 7:14

Moses therefore gave unto you circumcision; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers;) and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man. If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day? Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.


I respect your opinion, Tita, however the question in hand was poking on the topic of scriptural support or the antithesis of the act of circumcission.

Whether the French or not are circumcised or not has nothing to do with the subject matter. As the French were not in question; Europeans, Africans, etc.

You get my point.


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Re: Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
« Reply #65 on: July 13, 2008, 02:34:57 AM »

Tito Benne, Am very open minded about this. And I think its good to see other people's points of views. But for me, though there are some instances of scriptural discrepancies, if one reads the whole text of the Holy Bible, most of the discrepancies are explained and cleared. It is when individuals twist the meaning of scripture to fulfill an agenda or if they simply wish to focus on one particular passage and ignore the whole; that becomes a problem.

Every text in the Holy Bible, from Old Testament to the New Testament is not 'illogical' nor is it 'unimportant'. It is THE WORD OF GOD.

And we are here to study and gain a better, wider, fuller understanding of his voice.

Not to drown His voice with personal ramifications and side convictions.

Hope you all understand.



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Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
« Reply #66 on: July 13, 2008, 02:56:48 AM »
Doy Bran, thanks.

Pero magsabtanay nalang ta Doy ha kay lainlain man ta beliefs. para nako ang bible tawo rapod nagsulat ana.
Mora raba pod na ug biography ba about God.

And again, I believe that there is GOD but I dont believe every words written in the bible.
Pero daghan baya maayong basahon pod. Ganahan ko mobasa anang Psalms.

I also believe in miracles, kay kadaghan nako makaexperience ana.

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« Reply #67 on: July 13, 2008, 03:01:19 AM »
Amen to you Tita.

We all have different views, like the sands of the earth, we all are shaped, look, and think different. Just as the sands and pebbles of the earth are not identical to one another.

And again, it is always a pleasure to read your thoughts, we all learn from different views.

God Bless You, my fellow Valencianon.


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« Reply #68 on: July 13, 2008, 03:08:27 AM »
From author and preacher John McArthur on the belief that every word in the Bible is inspired by God and is used by God to speak to humans.

a)1 Corinthians 2:13--Paul said, "We speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Spirit teacheth." Paul claimed it was the words, not just the thoughts that are inspired.

 b) John 17:8--Jesus said to the Father, "I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me." In the Old Testament phrases such as "thus saith the Lord," "the word of the Lord came," and "God said" are repeated over 3800 times. Clearly God communicates by words.

 c) Galatians 1:11-12--Paul said, "I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ." Paul got the gospel from God, not men.

 d) Exodus 4:12--God said to Moses, "I will be with thy mouth and teach thee what thou shalt say." Forty years later Moses said to Israel, "Ye shall not add unto the word which I commanded you, neither shall ye diminish anything from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you" (Deut. 4:2). Words spoken by God are not to be taken away from or added to.

 e) 1 Peter 1:10-11--Peter wrote that "the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you, searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ who was in them did signify." This verse is a power argument against thought inspiration. The Holy Spirit gave the prophets a message about the Messiah, which they recorded. Then they sought to understand the meaning of their own proclamations. So there were times when the prophets received and recorded words that they did not fully understand. So it was words not thoughts that they pondered on, which again is evidence that inspiration is verbal.

 f) Matthew 24:35--Jesus said, "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away." It is the words in the Bible that God has given. Pronouns, prepositions, and conjunctions are important.

 g) 1 Corinthians 14:37--Paul said, "If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord." A spiritual man will recognize that Paul's writings are the very words of God.

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« Reply #69 on: July 13, 2008, 03:10:56 AM »


PS.
Dong Bran, ang ako buot ipaibot sa akong "dili logical" nga comments nga ang ubang nasulat sa bibliya morag lisod ipractise in reality. And you are aware yourself  that even priest commits really BIG sins by sexually abusing young boys and not getting married but have many mistresses.

Mao na angay nalang unta itugot nalang na na sa catholic church nga paminyoon ang mga pari kay sa makasala ra sila.

Unya I dont believe nga kon way tuli di mahilangit???
OMG.

Sa una ako baya na nahurot basa ang New testament pero pagkahuman nalibog rako. :D

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« Reply #70 on: July 13, 2008, 03:12:01 AM »
More from John McArthur on the belief that the Bible is God-breathed and its every word is inspired by God.

1. It (the Bible) is God-breathed

Second Timothy 3:16 says, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God" (Gk.,  theopneustos, "God-breathed").

Scripture proceeded from the mouth of God. In a sense both special and natural revelation are the product of God's spoken word. Psalm 33:6 says, "By the word of the Lord were the heavens made, and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth". God breathed the universe and the Bible into existence. Thus when Scripture speaks God speaks. For example in Exodus 9:16 God says to Pharaoh, "In very deed for this cause have I raised thee up, to show in thee my power." But Romans 9:17 says, "The scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might show my power in thee." Paul attributes to Scripture what was spoken by God. God and Scripture are used interchangeably. As Paul says in Romans 3:2, the Scriptures are the "oracles of God."

 a) Jeremiah--In chapter 1 he wrote, "The word of the Lord came unto me, saying, Before I formed thee in the womb, I knew thee; and before thou comest forth out of the womb, I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations" (vv. 4-5). Then Jeremiah records God as saying, "Whatsoever I command thee thou shalt speak. Behold, I have put my words in thy mouth" (vv. 7, 9). In chapter 5 God says to Jeremiah, "I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them" (v. 14). Jeremiah responds to God in chapter 15, "Thy words were found, and I did eat them" (v. 16). Later, in the same chapter, God gave this promise to him, "If thou take forth the precious from the vile, thou shalt be as my mouth" (v. 19).

 b) Ezekiel--God said to Ezekiel, "Son of man, all my words that I shall speak unto thee, receive in thine heart, and hear with thine ears. And go unto the children of thy people, and speak unto them" (Ezek. 3:10-11). God gave Ezekiel the exact words to say.

 c) Paul--Ananias said to Paul, "The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth. For thou shalt be his witness unto men of what thou hast seen and heard" (Acts 22:14-15).

 d) John--In Revelation chapter 1 John wrote, "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, saying, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia. Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter" (vv. 10-11, 19).

So the men who wrote the Old and New Testaments were commissioned by God to write His words. Paul's words to Felix reinforce the fact that we can trust the Bible as the Word of God: "This I confess unto thee that, after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets" (Acts 24:14).

2. It includes all Scripture

The Greek term  pasa can be translated "all" or "every." However, when Paul wrote 2 Timothy 3:16 the New Testament canon was not closed. Therefore some believe "all" can refer only to the Old Testament. But that interpretation places a time restriction upon "all" that is not warranted by the text. All Scripture is inspired of God whether it precedes or follows Paul's second epistle to Timothy.

Jesus said "the scripture cannot be broken" (John 10.35). That includes Scripture that had been written, was being written, and would be written.

3. It points only to Scripture

The Greek word translated "scripture" (graphe) means "writing." However not all writing is God-breathed. Paul said to Timothy, "From a child thou hast known the holy scriptures" (2 Tim. 3:15). Only holy writing is God-breathed. 

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« Reply #72 on: July 13, 2008, 03:29:05 AM »
Mike, salamat ani.

Hala ka basin imo nako i-ban dires TB kay wa ko motoo tanan sa storya sa bible? Di nalang ko makigdebate bahin ani kay basin di gyod ta maghuman unya. :-))

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« Reply #73 on: July 13, 2008, 03:30:57 AM »
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« Reply #74 on: July 13, 2008, 03:32:16 AM »

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« Reply #75 on: July 13, 2008, 03:32:48 AM »
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Yes dear Asianfairy in my virgin days but I was more confused as I did understand about some phrases and citations. It was written there...as far as I could remember "Ayaw paghilawas basta wala ka pay bendisyon sa kaminyoon" murag ingon ato...Of course, had obeyed it.  Now, am considered as a great sinner committing adultery being married for the second time.   My prayer: "Lord, I have sinned in my life and I beg you to accept it BUT I think it is too early for you to forgive me for who knows I will commit again the same. Dear Lord, forgive me for what I mortally  did yesterday and the coming failures in which  as human  I might easily do". And I thank you LORD for giving me this  joy with the life partner that you have shared to me.   I do have my own belief that there is one GOD and I think it is enough to praise and thank HIM for the good things he has given me and I hope that HE will entertain more those who are really in needs.

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« Reply #76 on: July 13, 2008, 03:42:31 AM »
Re Insoy:
Whether the French or not are circumcised or not has nothing to do with the subject matter. As the French were not in question; Europeans, Africans, etc.

Yes Dodong they have nothing to do with the subject matter but we should always remember nga we are very young in this world. Before Philippines there was  Amerika and before Amerika there was already these europians existed, and even some continents got lost already, we should not ignore them in some of the discussions and why i included them in my examples.

I can not just read the bible and follow even not reflicting the people in the past. If you solely read and follow the bible it is like you are locked in the house without doors and windows  and can never compare and reflect the people around you, i think it is wrong.

Before our time there were not so many reading materials, internet or whatever magazines, all they have is the bible and some of Sheakespear's books and others. Karon, dont you think they ignored everything what is written in the bible? nga they were the first who got christianized?

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Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
« Reply #77 on: July 13, 2008, 03:45:56 AM »

Tita,

Friendly and constructive exchange of thoughts ra man ni. And I treasure your words as that of anyone else's.

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« Reply #78 on: July 13, 2008, 05:21:59 AM »
hi guys, this is my first time in this thread and read lots of interesting insights. I am very aware about the BIBLE. Ever since I stepped in to a Catholic school up to I graduated college, I thought I know everything about it. It was when I came to the US with so much materials to read and see that I came to realize that there are plenty of things to know more about it. And it even became more interesting when I get the chance to go into the Vatican City in Rome Italy. That was the time when my Faith finally gets into the point where I say, I know where I stand now.
 

but here's my question, did you know who wrote the bible? this question is for you Bran specially since you are the one who started the thread. From then on I'll see what I can add.

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« Reply #79 on: July 13, 2008, 06:37:17 AM »

I fully agree with you in this regard, Dong. In fact, since the Bible is inspired by the Holy Spirit and is God-breathed, it has unity of thought. Seeming discrepancies are actually fragments of one whole consistent truth. Only the most literal and superficial reading of the Bible can make it seem illogical...
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