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Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
« Reply #220 on: December 24, 2009, 03:17:49 AM »
Theft is Theft. Stealing is Stealing.

Either one steals money, or steals a video game, food, or a song from online by downloading things illegally, it is still THEFT!

One will say, "Oh well stealing from a store is more severe than downloading a song illegally."

WRONG!

YOU ARE SINNING! YOU ARE STEALING! YOU ARE BREAKING THE 8TH COMMANDMENT OF GOD, "THOU SHALL NOT STEAL!"

No one is free from this.

REPENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #221 on: January 01, 2010, 05:36:10 PM »
A question was asked, "Where is Eucharistic Adoration mentioned in the bible? How is it biblically supported?"


ANSWER:

Twelve Biblical Reasons For Wanting To Spend One Hour With Jesus In The Blessed Sacrament

1. He is really there!
"I myself Am the Living Bread come down from Heaven." (Jn 6:35)

2. Day and night Jesus dwells in the Blessed Sacrament because of his Infinite love for you!
"Behold I will be with you always even to the end of the world," because "I have loved you with an everlasting love, and constant is My affection for you." (Mt 28:20; Jer 31:3)

3. The specific way that Jesus asks you to love Him in return is to spend one quiet hour with Him in the Blessed Sacrament.
"Where your treasure is, there is your heart...." "Could you not watch one hour with Me?" (Mt 6:21; 26:40)

4. When you look upon the Sacred Host, you look upon Jesus, the Son of God.
"Indeed, this is the will of My Father, that everyone who looks upon the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life. Him I will raise up on the last day." (Jn 6:40)

5. Each moment that you spend in His Eucharistic Presence will increase His Divine Life within you and deepen your personal relationship and friendship with Him.
"I have come that you may have life, and have it more abundantly." "I am the Vine and you are the branches. Whoever remains in Me and I in Him shall bear much fruit because without Me, you can do nothing." (Jn 15:5)

6. Each hour you spend with Jesus will deepen His Divine Peace in your heart.
"Come to Me all of you who are weary and find life burdensome and I will refresh you..." "Cast all of you anxieties upon the One who cares for you..." "My Peace is My Gift to you." (Mt 11:28; 5:7; Jn 14:17)

7. Jesus will give you all the Graces you need to be happy!
"The Lamb on the Throne will shepherd them. He will lead them to the springs of life-giving water." (Rev 7:17)

8. Jesus is infinitely deserving of our unceasing thanksgiving and adoration for all He has done for our salvation.
"Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive honor, glory and praise." (Rev. 5:12)

9. For Peace in our country!
"When My people humble themselves and seek My Presence... I will revive their land." (2Chr 7:14)

10. Each hour you spend with Jesus on earth will leave your soul everlastingly more beautiful and glorious in heaven!
"They who humble themselves shall be exalted...." "All of us, gazing on the Lord’s glory with unveiled faces, are being transformed from glory to glory into His very image." (Lk 18:14; 2Cor 3:18)

11. Jesus will bless you, your family and the whole world for this hour of faith you spend with Him in the Blessed Sacrament.
"Blessed are they who do not see and yet believe..." "Faith can move mountains..." " What is needed is trust... " "Behold I come to make all things new." (Jn 20:29; Mk 11:23; Mk 5:36; Rev 21:5)

12. Each moment you spend with Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament brings joy, pleasure, and delight to His Sacred Heart!
"My joy, My pleasure, My delight is to be with you." (Prov 8:31)



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Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
« Reply #222 on: January 11, 2010, 11:31:34 AM »
Dear Brothers and Sisters, let us talk and discuss about the best kind of topic there is in the BIBLE.

LOVE.


What is Love?
The answer is clear.


"Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

--1 Corinthians 13:4-7


This is TRUE Love. The Love of Christ. Let your love for your spouse, partner, children, friends be like that of Christ's Love for You!


Blessings and Peace be with you All, my beloved.

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Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
« Reply #223 on: January 13, 2010, 09:31:02 PM »
Brothers and Sisters, have you ever thought about the actions you have acted on, and pressed on others? Have your actions been hurtful? Have they been good? Were they justified? Was it out of malice ? The Lord our God tells us that our actions are implemented and manifested because of our inner heart and the condition that is within the heart.

We are told by the Lord our God to conduct ourselves appropriately and with consideration of others as well as yourself. We are told this in Sirach Chapter 7.

Heed:

'Do no evil, and evil will not overtake you. void wickedness and it will turn aside from you. Sow not in the furrows of injustice, lest you harvest it sevenfold. Do not plot to repeat a sin; not even for one will you go unpunished. Say not: "He will appreciate my many gifts; the Most High will accept my offerings."

Be not impatient in prayers, and neglect not the giving of alms. Laugh not at an embittered man; be mindful of him who exalts and humbles.

Plot no mischief against your brother, nor against your friend and companion. Delight not in telling lie after lie, for it never results in good.

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Dear brothers and sisters, be mindful and loving in your actions. For the Lord loves the doers AND hearers of the WORD.

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Amen!

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Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
« Reply #224 on: January 13, 2010, 09:44:35 PM »
Brothers,

Be sensible in your actions and your remuneration in regards to family and friends. We have to be mindful of our duties in family life, and not forget where we come from, the children we have, the husbands and wives we have sworn allegiance and oaths to before the Eyes of God, do not blaspheme.

Heed:

"Barter not a friend for money, nor a dear brother for the gold of Ophir,
Dismiss not a sensible wife; a gracious wife is more precious than corals.
Mistreat not a servant who faithfully serves,
nor a laborer who devotes himself to his task.
Let a wise servant be dear to you as your own self.
If you have sons, chastise them;
bend their necks from childhood.

If you have daughters, keep them chaste,
and be not indulgent to them
Giving yoru daughter in marriage ends a great task;
but give her to a worthy man.

If you have a wife, let her not seem odious to you;
but where there is ill-feelin, trust her not.

With your whole heart, honor your father;
your mother's birthpangs forget not.
Remember, of these parents youw ere born;
what can you give them for all they gave  you?

With all your soul, fear The LORD YOUR GOD,
revere his priests.
With all your strength, love YOUR CREATOR,
forsake not his ministers.
Honor God and respect his priest.
Give him his portion as you have been commanded.

To the poor man also extend your hand,
that your blessins will be complete;
Be generous to all the living, and withhold not your kindness from the dead.

Avoid not those who weep,
but mourn with those who mourn;
Neglect not to visit the sick---for these things you will be loved.

--SIRACH 7:18-35

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Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
« Reply #225 on: February 28, 2010, 12:57:24 PM »
Where is the Holy Priesthood specifically referred to by St. Peter in the Holy Bible?


Answer:

1 Peter 2: 4-5,

As you come to Him, the living Stone—rejected by men but chosen by God and
precious to Him— you also, like living stones, are being built into a
spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices
acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

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Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
« Reply #226 on: February 28, 2010, 01:27:57 PM »
A question was asked of me, "What happens when one person dies? Do ghosts exist?"


Answer:
Scripture declares truth and answers your question in Hebrews Chapter 9, verse 27:
"And just as it is appointed for men to die once, and after that comes judgment."


When a man or woman dies, his or her soul is judged before the judgement seat of Christ.
According to his or her faith and his or her works.
Salvation in Christ or Eternal Damnation in the Pyre that is Hell.

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Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
« Reply #227 on: March 10, 2010, 01:20:35 PM »
its so nice to be in this thread

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Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
« Reply #228 on: March 10, 2010, 01:20:54 PM »
So let's REJUVINATE this thread!


For all the new Tubag Boholers;
Have you ever felt the need to cry out to God?
Do you know why you had to?

It is indeed, biblically speaking, necessary to build and focus attention to the Lord.
In times of Struggle or in times of Success, He is there.
That is why...we must Walk humbly with Our God.


Share your experiences.
And let us talk.



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Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
« Reply #229 on: March 10, 2010, 01:21:35 PM »

Its good to have you here, Cecil.

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Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
« Reply #230 on: March 10, 2010, 01:23:04 PM »

Bulak, I invite you again to come join us.
Let us drink coffee and talk too. :)


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Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
« Reply #231 on: March 10, 2010, 08:51:04 PM »
Where can we read the word purgatory in the bible, is it true that there´s a purgatory as what the catholic claims, that the soul will go to this place to purify those who die but still imperfectly purified.
When I dole out food to the poor they call me a Saint, but when I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist.

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Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
« Reply #232 on: March 11, 2010, 02:15:11 AM »

God Bless Your Question, Vhinz.
First let me thank you, brother, for joining our conversation and discussion.
The question that you ask was asked because the Holy Spirit,who lives within your body (as our bodies are the Temples of the Holy Spirit) directed you to this discussion to have a better / firmer grasp in the concept of Salvation and the means to Salvation. So I want to thank you for 2 things:
1. Your joining our faithful discussion here
2. Your question regarding Salvation, and specifically on the concept of Purgatory.

That said, Let us Talk. :)

But before we discuss this, let us usher a prayer for the Holy Spirit to OPEN OUR HEARTS AND MINDS to accept and be directed by His Instructions. To Understand Effectively and Faithfully: Lord, guide us our hearts and minds to bear and understand the things that we wish to learn, in faith and assurance that you will provide for our needs in this holy venture. We ask This in Your Name, Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God The Father. God The Holy Spirit open our hearts. In Jesus Name. Amen.

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The Roman Catholic Church teaches us , brothers and sisters, that :
“There is a purgatory, and the souls there detained are assisted by the suffrages of the faithful, but especially by the most acceptable sacrifice of the altar” (Promulgation Council of Trent).

And it was in the Council of Trent that all Biblical passages and books were augmented and united under one book. So by authority of the Lord God that was placed in the hands of the Early Church Fathers, compiled the Holy Bible in its Complete Form. And with it, the addressing that there indeed is a state of Purgatory. By Authority and Legitimacy that the Church claims from Jesus Christ, Alone, who placed it on the shoulders of the Church by Apostolic Succession of Peter's Chair.


This dogmatic definition contains 3 points of faith that all Catholics are required to believe:

1. There is a purgatory

2. After death, souls suffer there for their sins

3. The living can extend assistance to such souls


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There is a purgatory



Forgiveness of sin in the next – Matthew 12:32

“Under the earth” – Revelations 5:2-3; Philippians 2:10



After death, souls suffer there for their sins

“You will not come out of it till you pay the last penny” – Matthew 5:26

“Matthean Parallel” (See: Matthew 18:23-35)

“Lazarusian Incident” (See: Luke 16:19-31)

Spirits in prison – 1 Peter 3:18-20; 4:6


The living can extend assistance to such souls


Restrain not grace from the dead – Ecclesiasticus (Sirach) 7:37

See: Ruth 1:8

Offerings/Sacrifice for the dead

2 Maccabees 12:38-36

“And making a gathering, he sent twelve thousand drachms of silver to Jerusalem for sacrifice to be offered for the sins of the dead, thinking well and religiously concerning the resurrection” (2 Maccabees 12:43, Douay-Rheims Bible).


Fasting for the for the dead

1 Samuel 31:13;

1 Chronicles 10:12

2 Samuel 1:12


Prayer for the dead

2 Maccabees 12:44-46

“It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins” (2 Maccabees 12:46, Douay-Rheims Bible).


See: Nehemiah 1:4-6, cf. Nehemiah 2:5


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Understanding Purgatory:


1. Understanding the doctrine of purgatory demands knowing the nature/attributes of God:

God is Holy (Habakkuk 1:13; Isaiah 6:3; Revelations 4:8; Leviticus 11:44

God is Just (1 John 1:9; Revelations 15:3)

God is Merciful (Psalm 116, Lamentations 3:22, Psalm 103:8 )

See: Ruth 2:20

God is Love (1 John 4:8, 16)


2. Understanding the doctrine of purgatory demands a proper understanding of the concept of sin:


Gradation (degrees) of sin

Mortal Sin vs. Venial Sin (1 John 5:16-17, NRSV)




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Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
« Reply #233 on: March 11, 2010, 02:17:40 AM »
What Does Purgatory Really Mean?

HOPE!


It means what it has always meant: hope! The good news of the gospel was proclaimed long ago by Jesus:

"The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,
because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim release to the captives
and recovering of sight to the blind,
to set at liberty those who are oppressed,
to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord."
(Luke 4:18-19).

Purgatory is the assurance that there will, in the end, be absolutely nothing to dim the mirror of our lives from reflecting the glory of God. We, who have been captive to sin for so long, will be released. Moreover, as sharers in the life of Christ, we have an extraordinary promise from him. For he tells us, "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I go to the Father." (John 14:12). In other words, we not only receive grace from him, we do his works of grace with him, for we are "fellow workers" with Christ (1 Corinthians 3:9). This means (among other things) that, as he prays for us, so we can pray for one another with his power and authority. And such prayers can be made not only for the living, but for the dead as well. We can, therefore, help those in Purgatory who are still being purified, just as we can help those on earth-by our prayers and offerings of love, especially in the mass. For, as Paul tells us, "we, though many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another" (Romans 12:5). That unity with God and with each other is not severed by death. Therefore, we can continue to pray for those who have died with the hope of Christ that our prayers will be of real help to them as we "bear one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ" (Galatians 6:2). It's all there in Scripture.

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Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
« Reply #234 on: March 11, 2010, 02:28:29 AM »
Pero asa man ang purgatory ani?
Unless the God you are talking about is a God of assumptions.
Also, vhinz asked if where can we read the word "purgatory" and not where can we read the meaning or assumed to mean of the word purgatory.

(Promulgation Council of Trent).[/b]

And it was in the Council of Trent that all Biblical passages and books were augmented and united under one book. So by authority of the Lord God that was placed in the hands of the Early Church Fathers, compiled the Holy Bible in its Complete Form. And with it, the addressing that there indeed is a state of Purgatory. By Authority and Legitimacy that the Church claims from Jesus Christ, Alone, who placed it on the shoulders of the Church by Apostolic Succession of Peter's Chair.


This dogmatic definition contains 3 points of faith that all Catholics are required to believe:

1. There is a purgatory

2. After death, souls suffer there for their sins

3. The living can extend assistance to such souls


---

There is a purgatory



Forgiveness of sin in the next – Matthew 12:32

“Under the earth” – Revelations 5:2-3; Philippians 2:10



After death, souls suffer there for their sins

“You will not come out of it till you pay the last penny” – Matthew 5:26

“Matthean Parallel” (See: Matthew 18:23-35)

“Lazarusian Incident” (See: Luke 16:19-31)

Spirits in prison – 1 Peter 3:18-20; 4:6


The living can extend assistance to such souls


Restrain not grace from the dead – Ecclesiasticus (Sirach) 7:37

See: Ruth 1:8

Offerings/Sacrifice for the dead

2 Maccabees 12:38-36

“And making a gathering, he sent twelve thousand drachms of silver to Jerusalem for sacrifice to be offered for the sins of the dead, thinking well and religiously concerning the resurrection” (2 Maccabees 12:43, Douay-Rheims Bible).


Fasting for the for the dead

1 Samuel 31:13;

1 Chronicles 10:12

2 Samuel 1:12


Prayer for the dead

2 Maccabees 12:44-46

“It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins” (2 Maccabees 12:46, Douay-Rheims Bible).


See: Nehemiah 1:4-6, cf. Nehemiah 2:5


----


Understanding Purgatory:


1. Understanding the doctrine of purgatory demands knowing the nature/attributes of God:

God is Holy (Habakkuk 1:13; Isaiah 6:3; Revelations 4:8; Leviticus 11:44

God is Just (1 John 1:9; Revelations 15:3)

God is Merciful (Psalm 116, Lamentations 3:22, Psalm 103:8 )

See: Ruth 2:20

God is Love (1 John 4:8, 16)


2. Understanding the doctrine of purgatory demands a proper understanding of the concept of sin:


Gradation (degrees) of sin

Mortal Sin vs. Venial Sin (1 John 5:16-17, NRSV)





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Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
« Reply #235 on: March 11, 2010, 02:30:33 AM »

A good question asked, Lawrence.

So you ask:

Where Is the 'word' Purgatory in the Scripture? Why Is it Not specifically mentioned?
No. Just the term "Purgatory" arose after the time of the apostles, just as the terms "Trinity", "Christianity", "Second Coming", and "Bible" did. But the idea of Purgatory was already present in the period before Jesus was born. So, for instance, we find a Jewish hero named Judas Maccabeus, about a century and a half before Jesus, praying for the dead and specifically asking they be forgiven their sins after they have died (2 Maccabees 12: 43-45). This practice, known as the "kaddish.", continues in Judaism to this day and was well-established among Jews in Jesus' own time. Likewise, we find the New Testament frequently assuming the existence of Purgatory. Jesus, during his time in the grave, is said by Peter to have "preached to the spirits in prison, who formerly did not obey" (1 Peter 3: 18-20). Similarly, Jesus teaches that certain sins (notably unforgiveness) will be liable to judgment and imprisonment in the next. But he also implies this punishment is not necessarily eternal: "Truly I say to you, you will never get out until you have paid the last penny" (Mt. 5:21-26). Such imagery fits neither heaven (where there are no prisons) nor hell (where there is neither repentance nor "getting out", and therefore no point in preaching). It does, however, fit Purgatory.

Jesus also implies the existence of Purgatory or "forgiveness in the age to come" when he tells his disciples "Whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come" (Matthew 12:32). The Church after Jesus did not, therefore, "invent" Purgatory. On the contrary, it simply repeated and clarified what Jesus and the apostles had taught them concerning the promise of hope for the afterlife.


I hope that helped.

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Re: Bible Study: Tubag Bohol Version
« Reply #236 on: March 11, 2010, 02:35:21 AM »
Addendum,

Lawrence, one must also take into consideration that one has to be sensitive in language forms. We have to understand and accept that the compilation of scriptural work and many words and expressions were altered in its translation into English. From the original Greek.

As the original was in Greek, then translated into Latin, and then into other languages: English, French, German, etc.



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« Reply #237 on: March 11, 2010, 02:44:51 AM »
For all who are interested in studying Scripture, I would like you all (for Catholics, and non-catholic Christians) to note and consider the following:



For Catholics, it is important to know the following facts about the Septuagint:

1. The Apostles and New Testament writers quoted principally the Septuagint. In fact, of the three hundred and fifty Old Testament quotations found in the New Testament, about three hundred are taken directly from the Septuagint.

2. The Jews, who had universally accepted the Greek Septuagint for centuries, became alienated from it after the Christian Church in her apologetical controversy with Jewish writers pointed out the Messianic passages, which were more clearly and forcibly presented in the Greek Septuagint than in the Hebrew version.

3. Some of the New Testament writers made use of the additional books contained in the Septuagint, particularly the Book of Wisdom, which seems to be a familiar theme in St. Paul’s Epistles. The Epistle of St. James — to take another example — shows an acquaintance with the Book of Ecclesiasticus. Thus, the Apostles and New Testament writers made reference to these additional books in their preaching and writing, and thereby gave them their approval.

4. The Greek Septuagint was the only Bible text of the Old Testament that was universally read in the primitive Church both in the East and in the West. The additional books were accepted in the early Christian Church from the very beginning. The Epistle of Pope Clement, written before the end of the first century, makes use of Ecclesiasticus and Wisdom, gives an analysis of the book of Judith, and quotes from the additional sections of the book of Esther. The same is true of other early Christian writers.

5. The oldest Christian Bibles in existence today (Codex Vaticanus, dating from the first half of the fourth century; Codex Sinaiticus, dating from the fourth century, Codex Alexandrinus, belonging to the fifth century, and the Codex Ephraemi, also belonging to the fifth century) contain all the books of the Old and New Testaments, just as we find them in our Catholic Bibles today.

And if we want to know the reason why our Catholic Bibles have the very same books as the oldest biblical manuscripts in existence, we must simply look at the history of the Church founded by Christ and understand that these books of the Old Testament and the New Testament were in the possession of the Church from the very beginning. Pope Damasus in the year 382 A.D. confirmed the authentic books of Sacred Scripture, and the Council of Carthage in 397 A.D. reiterated this Canon of Sacred Scripture.

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« Reply #238 on: March 11, 2010, 02:47:37 AM »

Then how would you believe in such book nga daghan naman diay na alterations?  Sa ato pa diay your reference is not acceptable based on your predicament.  Why find the hassle of understanding a book that has lots of alterations?

Maccabees is only for Bibles with deuterocanonicals and not present in all.

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« Reply #239 on: March 11, 2010, 02:50:23 AM »

FAITH, my dear Lawrence.

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God Bless You.



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