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Lorenzo · « **on:** March 29, 2008, 08:14:06 am »

Numbers 21:5-9 divulges about the complaints of the Hebrews and their ill-contempt for the deliverance the LORD had promised them and had given them from Bondage.

'The people complained against God and Moses, "Why have you brought us up from Egypt to die in this desert, where there is no food or water? We are disgusted with this wretched food!'

In punishment the LORD sent among the people saraph serpents, which bit the people so that many of them died. Then the people came to Moses and said, "We have sinned in complaining against the LORD and you. Pray the LORD to take the serpents from us."

So Moses prayed for the people, and the LORD said to Moses,

"Make a saraph and mount it on a pole, and if anyone who has been bitten looks at it, he will recover."

Moses accordingly made a bronze serpent and mounted it on a pole, and whenever anyone who had been bitten by a serpent looked at the bronze serpent, he recovered.'

In this excerpt, it was the Hebrews that tempted the LORD with their arrogance and their ingratitude. They who were in bondage by Egypt for hundreds of years, whose same prayers rose to the Throne of Divine Mercy like sweet incense to be heard by The Almighty. That the Lord of Hosts sent Moses to be the deliverer of His People. Even after the miracles of the great plagues, even after the appearance of the Whirlwind of Fire that The LORD sent to hold back Pharaoh's charriots, and even after The LORD opened the Red Sea and SWALLOWED Pharaoh's Army at the same time; still the Hebrews would not stop complaining.

One here is reminded that 'tempting' the Lord Your God is by the use of words of arrogance, ingratitude, and sacrilegious actions in reference to the Divine Person.

We are reminded of this in In Deuteronomy 5, through Moses, He had rehearsed to the children of Israel the Ten Commandments. Then, in chapter 6, He told them to "love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your might" (verse 5). He further told them to teach God's ways to their children, fear Him, stay away from other gods, and do "not tempt the LORD your God" (verses 7, 13-14, 16). As Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28 show, God's blessings would flow to them if they were obedientâ€”blessings that include the promise of protection.

And again in another verse;

In Matthew 4, Satan tempts Christ in various ways. At one point, he tries to get Jesus to throw Himself off the roof of the Temple, saying, "For it is written: 'He shall give His angels charge concerning you,' and, 'In their hands they shall bear you up, lest you dash your foot against a stone'" (verse 6). Here Satan twists Psalm 91:11-12, which says, "For He shall give His angels charge over you, to keep you in all your ways. They shall bear you up in their hands, lest you dash your foot against a stone." God is promising protection to His people here, telling us that He will place His angels about us. He is not telling us to attempt to hurt ourselves in a deliberate effort to see if He will come through for us.

This, my brothers and sisters, is the ACT OF TEMPTING the Lord of Hosts. No One should EVER tempt the Lord, to see if the Lord Will Do or Not Do. The LORD wills things to happen because%2

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bulak · « **Reply #1 on:** March 29, 2008, 08:29:46 am »

Dong Enzo naserious kog ahat naka basa ani nga thread. Pero murag exempted ko ani dah!

Tig timpla lang ko og coffe niyu ha..

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #2 on:** March 29, 2008, 08:35:05 am »

Bulak, you are part of it, sis. Any views you have, i-hatag pood kai you know you'll never know that we are thinking of the same thing. Bulak, the Holy Spirit dwells within ALL of us. You, Me, a child, an elderly. Our bodies are His temple, so let us use our mouths to speak a portion of the truth. Okay?

God Bless You!

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #3 on:** March 29, 2008, 08:51:30 am »

Today, I could not help but observe the commotion that was happening in the thread opened by Marjun about the bleeding statue of Jesus in the church in Calape, Bohol.

I stayed away from the argument because I personally thought it was inappropriate to talk about personal beliefs, denying miracles, and what not in a thread that was about Christ Jesus. As I tried to prepare to type something in that thread to reprimand some members, something told me to stop. And Think. I opened the Bible and my hands led me to a beautiful excerpt in the Book of Corinthians. Chapter 10, verse 23-33. It is entitled "Seek the Good of Others"

"Everything is lawful," but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is lawful," but not everything builds up. No one should seek his own advantage, but that of his neighbor. Eat anything sold in the market, without raising questions on grounds of conscience, for "the earth and its fullness are the Lord's" If an unbeliever invites you and you want to go, eat whatever is placed before you, without raising questions on grounds of conscience. But if someone says to you, "This was offered in sacrifice," do not eat it and on account of conscience; I mean not your own conscience, but other's. For why should my freedom be determined by someone else's conscience? If I partake thankfully, why am I reviled for that over which I give thanks?

So whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do everything for the GLORY of God. Avoid giving offense, whether to Jews or Greeks or the Church of God. Just as I try to please everyone in every way, not seeking my own benefit but that of the many, that they may be saved.
Corinthians 10: 23-33

Guys, I know that it is hard sometimes to get along with others as we all have our own points of views, and most of us (if not, all of us) are very adamant about our own beliefs. But we should always try to evade in insulting others for a mere idea and for a concept, because the words we use can hurt. Insulting someone's intelligence or someone's ability to read and talk or hear is not a way to portray and send out your message. It will only anger the person who you said that to, that and hurt others who read or hear such things. Just as this particular passage talks about the glorification of God, and the exaltation, one must be open minded about where one is. Do not take everything as an insult, for everything, is seen by the Almighty, either we believe it or do not, it is so. Give thanks lang ta that we are able to discuss things, talk to one another. As what a fellow member in here, Ms. Grace P.N said, "It is okay to agree to disagree."

Guys, remember that wherever we are, or whoever we are with, do things for the Glory of the Lord and do not offend those around you. Let us be like Christ and imitate him, despite our personal iniquities.

In His Most Holy Name,

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #4 on:** March 29, 2008, 09:05:35 am »

I had onced talk about the calling or that time that i thought GOD has chosen me, in some other thread. I would like to share to you my story when at that time HE gave me the sign that HE loved me was when i had my first child. I was always a happy person and always contented of what i had, and at that time i thought i have everything that a woman wanted, good education, good job, material thing, love and affection and i would always say i could not ask for more. I was wrong because in the midst of all that, i was longing for something that i really didn't know what. ( I even sometimes realized it now that i had a post partum syndrome at that time or what ever, it was long ago.)

So i was searching for something that really would gratify that longingness. Until one friend of mine told me to read Matthew 28:20, I didn't even know why she said that. It says: "Jesus said, I will be with you until the end of time." It didn't struck me at first, not at all. Then she said to me while she handed me The Book(which for me was really very easy to understand than the other versions), to read the Ecclesiastes, and i asked her which part, and she said all if you have time. Then I read it, over and over again. That really had touched me, that no matter what hardwork we do here, that will all go to oblivion.

I really don't know how to relate on how i was converted but all i knew is that our life is just a vehicle of our spirits to prepare to face Heaven and it is all up to us on how to drive it...

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #5 on:** March 29, 2008, 03:30:36 pm »

Amen, Ate Belle. Hapit pood ko mo hilak reading your post uy. Bitaw, and you are blessed to have children, to give and make life. Sometimes, 'te when we long for something or someone, the Lord comes into our heart. I remember several months ago when you mentioned about reading Ecclesiastes. I learn from your faith, 'te, and the faith of others and thank you kaayo for indirectly helping strengthen my own faith.

So I say to you, Amen! My dear Ate Belle!

Continue to be a warmth to your children, your husband and your family.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #6 on:** April 07, 2008, 03:38:57 pm »

There is a particular psalm in the Book of Psalms that I truly love to read. It is Psalm 27; in times of need and whenever I find myself painfully in need of His presence, I always read it. The message in the psalm straightens my quivering hands, solidifies my back, and answers the questions that resound in my head. Whenever I find myself despairing or feeling bad due to an argument, I read this excerpt. It is so very comforting, and tells us to put our Trust in God.

Psalm 27: Trust in God

The Lord is my light and my salvation;
whom do I fear?
The Lord is my life's refuge;
of whom am I afraid?
When evildoers come at me
to devour my flesh.
These my enemies and foes themselves stumble and fall.
Though an army encamp against me,
my heart does not fear;
Though war be waged against me,
even then do I trust.

One thing I ask of the Lord;
this I seek:
To dwell in the Lord's house
all the days of my life,
To gaze on the Lord's beauty,
to visit his temple.

For God will hide me in his shelter
in time of trouble,
Will conceal me in the cover of his tent;
and set me high upon a rock.
Even now my head is heald high
above my enemies on every side!
I will offer in his tent
sacrifices with the shouts of joy;
I will sing and chant praise to the Lord.

Hear my voice, Lord, when I call;
have mercy on me and answer me.
"Come" says my heart, "seek God's face."
your face, Lord, do I seek!

Do not Hide your face from me;
do not repel your servant in anger.
You are my help; do not cast me off;
do not foresake me, God, My Savior!
Even if my father, and mother foresake me,
the Lord will take me in.

Lord, show me your way;
lead me on a level path
because of my enemies.
Do not abandon me to the will of foes;
malicious and lying witnesses have arisen against me.
But I believe I shall enjoy the Lord's goodness
in the land of the living.

Wait for the Lord, take courage;
be stouthearted, wait for the Lord!

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #7 on:** April 29, 2008, 11:36:35 am »

Have you ever been charged with a job to do? A calling in a particular field by an entity above you?
Yes, I would like to engage in dialogue with readers in here about the concept of work. Holy Work.
In fact, as we all are engaged in our professional callings, whatever it may be, there is a sense of purpose. There is a reason for it. There is always a vision, that Christ Jesus instills in all of us. Either we choose to accept that vision or not, it is there. For there is no one who is rejected by the Holy Spirit, who lives in all of us. Our Loving Father does not reject us, he accepts all of us--from the sinner to the pious priest. It is up to the individual to accept the Lord or Not.
That is Grace. The Power of Grace. And I know some of you are personal about this, but just take this in--think about it. Please share pood your own words as I would like to hear it, and am sure all of us would love to read about it. We are all in a journey, in this Earthly life--which is our Earthly Pilgrimage. Let us all help each other bear each other's burden. In the end, we all go to the same cross. In search of the Same Lord.

So, it goes back to concept of a job. The charge we were given. The responsibilities we are given is no more different to that Simon Peter was given by Christ Jesus.

And Jesus came into the quarters of Cesarea Philippi: and he asked his disciples, saying: Whom do men say that the Son of man is?

But they said: Some John the Baptist, and other some Elias, and others Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

Jesus saith to them: But whom do you say that I am?

Simon Peter answered and said: Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God.

And Jesus answering said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven.

And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.

Matt 16:13-19

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simplylee · « **Reply #8 on:** April 29, 2008, 01:49:32 pm »

nindot bitaw jud ang magbible study. kinanindotan gyod tun an ang pulong sa DIYOS kay ang resulta ani dili ra man dinhi kun dili hangtod sa kinahangturan. sa among grupo naay bible study nga ginabuhat ka upat sa usa ka semana ganahan pod ko moshare unsay among natun an ngadto sa mga tawong adunay interest bahin sa bible. kun nahigugma ta sa DIYOS gusto jud ta nga makaila kinsa ug unsa SIYA. wala may laing paagi nga siya mailaila pinaagi ra man sa Iyang pulong. the Word of GOD is the mind of CHRIST.

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grazie7y · « **Reply #9 on:** April 29, 2008, 01:57:45 pm »

Dong, I dunno if I can answer some of your questions. When I graduated college, I had one visual in mind: to work in a fancy office and well, I am embarrassed to accept that becoming a a boss was one of my goals. Of course, I wanted to become big so I could help my family but I think most of it, I want to achieve something that could feed my ego. When I was accepted to work in the bank, I was so happy. I knew then I was on way to fulfilling my dreams. I started as an encoder and at the same time an accounting clerk in the bank. I worked so hard. I was so impatient to learn everything there was to learn in my scope of work and more. I was driven.

My first year job assessment came and I got an "above expectation" rating - or maybe they didn't expect much from a be-pimpled, skinny promdi girl that I was. At that time, I think I was enjoying more on my work and the promotions were just inevitable. By the third year, I was already a junior officer. It was a glimpse of being a boss already.

I became addicted to work - like big time. I don't go home until late night and sometimes at dawn time, go home, take a cat nap and back again to work. There were times I couldn't celebrate Christmas and New Years with my family because I needed to work especially year-end is the busiest day in any banks. One of my brothers got married and I wasn't able to attend the wedding because I had more important thing to do in the bank. I so regretted that now.

I started to miss my meals because it was a waste of time. I then started to get ill. I was diagnosed ofchronic myalgia of the upper trapezius. Not only that, my friends started to see signs of eating disorder. I don't know if it was anorexia or bulimia but whenever I eat, I started to throw up. I landed in the hospital to force me to relax. I had therapy for my aching shoulders.

One night I woke up. I asked, what am I doing this for, Lord? and then I didn't feel his presence. Oh yeah, I felt that my heart was empty of God's presence. No matter how busy I was, I didn't forget church every Sundays and sometimes Wednesdays and Fridays but that particular moment, I couldn't feel God's presence. I was panicking. I felt like God deserted me. I kept pushing and pushing for his attention. I talked to a colleague and she said, she felt that way too. It was a relief but I kept knocking on God's door to let me in again. He did.

Then I had a chance to work in a tripartite project in South Cebu and being in boondocks. I grabbed it. It meant more work and travel because that was on top of my job in the bank but I wanted something new. It proved to be what I needed for. I was to help set up a bank for the people. Meaning, I deal with people. I work with them. I eat with them. These are the real people. The farmers, the cooperative organizers, and more. I loved that work. I was working for my family and yet I was able to help people. It was fun. I got to attend community meetings to explain and inculcate the value of savings. I got to eat with them in the farm. I was accepted and in that 2-year experience, I gained friends. Real friends. It later became an even more of a blessing when, after about 7 years, my Mom was in Cebu Chong Hua Hospital fighting for her life, the same friends helped and comforted my sisters and cousins who were there with Mommy. One of them was Manang Nessy. She brought her son to the hospital so my sisters and cousin would have an errand boy to buy medicines, etc.. What was a huge blessing from God.

Working in the commercial bank in the big city was nothing compared to working with the people in the barrios and boondocks. But my work in the bank in the city led me to my experience in Cebu. It was glorifying. That kind of job made me feel like I am doing something good for God and not just for myself and my family. I further realized that there's a lot of ways to do your work and at the same time glorify the Lord.

Dong, your job as a doctor is a very important one. You'll be helping life. You'll be God's hand in healing people. I have no doubt in my mind that you will do an excellent job not because you are summa cum laude but because you have the heart. You have the conscience. You have tremendous faith in the Lord I don't get to see always in young men like you. Keep grounded with your faith, Dong, because you will go far and every step of the way, God will guide you.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #10 on:** April 29, 2008, 02:33:45 pm »

Quote from: simplylee on April 29, 2008, 01:49:32 pm

nindot bitaw jud ang magbible study. kinanindotan gyod tun an ang pulong sa DIYOS kay ang resulta ani dili ra man dinhi kun dili hangtod sa kinahangturan. sa among grupo naay bible study nga ginabuhat ka upat sa usa ka semana ganahan pod ko moshare unsay among natun an ngadto sa mga tawong adunay interest bahin sa bible. kun nahigugma ta sa DIYOS gusto jud ta nga makaila kinsa ug unsa SIYA. wala may laing paagi nga siya mailaila pinaagi ra man sa Iyang pulong. the Word of GOD is the mind of CHRIST.

Ma'am Lee, I must admit that for some time I was always afraid, embarassed, and unworthy to call on the name of Jesus. For me, His Name is like the purest of pure light, and during my teenage years and early college days, I always felt that I needed to express my thanks to other means. As in reading about the saints, the works of the saints, the religiosity of the saints, the benedictions. Yes, they did help in rekindling my faith during college years, but I cannot deny that I always had a feeling of distance. As if I was one of the multitude, and as if I was addressed but not personally. When I began my Catholic Confirmation in the Fall term of my Junior Year of college, I was able to meet up with not only my sister (both of us were getting our confirmation), but we also met up with Fr. Mark Hofman, our college catholic chaplain, and several students and town people who were looking to confirm their faith. We divulged into deep bible study, reading the different books and having conversations. And I guess I first started asking and addressing Christ Jesus on a personal basis after that event.

I am a sinner, a humble man, with temptations that all of us have. And I felt that I was unworthy to call on Christ Jesus, but when I started to call on Him. I developed an almost personal calling and personal relationship with Him.

There are times that I come to church in the middle of the night. In the dead of night when there is no one there, I can pour out my emotions like a lid being removed from a topper ware. I am able to release my pains, my anguishes, my hopes, my pleas. Just me and Him. There is no worry of etiquette or not, kai i am just being myself to Him. It is at the dead of night that I can cry like a baby in church. And you know, it is through bible study, through personal relationship with Jesus that allowed me to do this.

Hard bitaw sometimes having to be normal with my friends and yet having time for faith. Pero, naa man jud na a pull to me to pray. Even if sa night time ra, naa bitaw na. Ug di ko maka pray, dili jud ko maka tulug. Ug di ko mo pray before I study, dili jud ko maka concentrate. Ma anxious ko, ma scared, uneasy, restless.

Amen, I say you are very right, Ma'am Lee.
The Word of God is the Mind of Christ.

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pioneer · « **Reply #11 on:** April 29, 2008, 02:45:04 pm »

Bran, I suggest we focus on one topic in our Bible study. One thread will be dedicated to one area. In this way we can concentrate on what we need to know about the words of God.

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simplylee · « **Reply #12 on:** April 29, 2008, 02:46:42 pm »

maayo jud bitaw naa ang matag usa personal relationship with the LORD JESUS CHRIST as savior first unya as friend hangtod mailhan jud nato SIYA. lahi ra jud ang atong panglantaw sa kinabuhi kun naa tay personal nga relasyon sa DIYOS. when we put GOD's plan for us the center of our lives everything will work accordingly and without hitch kay sa DIYOS walay sulagma o coincedence tanan IYA na nahibaw an wa pa gani ta ipakatawo. bisan kining paghimo ni mike ani nga site naa na ni sa plano sa DIYOS aron magkakitakita ta. Rom. 8:28

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Brownman · « **Reply #13 on:** April 29, 2008, 02:49:13 pm »

This might be a good suggestion Mike to give space and time to the words of God
in this way we will become more committed to Christ, the hackers wil run away in our path.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #14 on:** April 29, 2008, 02:50:48 pm »

Quote from: grazie7y on April 29, 2008, 01:57:45 pm

Dong, I dunno if I can answer some of your questions. When I graduated college, I had one visual in mind: to work in a fancy office and well, I am embarrassed to accept that becoming a a boss was one of my goals. Of course, I wanted to become big so I could help my family but I think most of it, I want to achieve something that could feed my ego. When I was accepted to work in the bank, I was so happy. I knew then I was on way to fulfilling my dreams. I started as an encoder and at the same time an accounting clerk in the bank. I worked so hard. I was so impatient to learn everything there was to learn in my scope of work and more. I was driven.

My first year job assessment came and I got an "above expectation" rating - or maybe they didn't expect much from a be-pimpled, skinny promdi girl that I was. At that time, I think I was enjoying more on my work and the promotions were just inevitable. By the third year, I was already a junior officer. It was a glimpse of being a boss already. I became addicted to work - like big time. I don't go home until late night and sometimes at dawn time, go home, take a cat nap and back again to work. There were times I couldn't celebrate Christmas and New Years with my family because I needed to work especially year-end is the busiest day in any banks. One of my brothers got married and I wasn't able to attend the wedding because I had more important thing to do in the bank. I so regretted that now.

I started to miss my meals because it was a waste of time. I then started to get ill. I was diagnosed ofchronic myalgia of the upper trapezius. Not only that, my friends started to see signs of eating disorder. I don't know if it was anorexia or bulimia but whenever I eat, I started to throw up. I landed in the hospital to force me to relax. I had therapy for my aching shoulders.

One night I woke up. I asked, what am I doing this for, Lord? and then I didn't feel his presence. Oh yeah, I felt that my heart was empty of God's presence. No matter how busy I was, I didn't forget church every Sundays and sometimes Wednesdays and Fridays but that particular moment, I couldn't feel God's presence. I was panicking. I felt like God deserted me. I kept pushing and pushing for his attention. I talked to a colleague and she said, she felt that way too. It was a relief but I kept knocking on God's door to let me in again. He did.

Then I had a chance to work in a tripartite project in South Cebu and being in boondocks. I grabbed it. It meant more work and travel because that was on top of my job in the bank but I wanted something new. It proved to be what I needed for. I was to help set up a bank for the people. Meaning, I deal with people. I work with them. I eat with them. These are the real people. The farmers, the cooperative organizers, and more. I loved that work. I was working for my family and yet I was able to help people. It was fun. I got to attend community meetings to explain and inculcate the value of savings. I got to eat with them in the farm. I was accepted and in that 2-year experience, I gained friends. Real friends. It later became an even more of a blessing when, after about 7 years, my Mom was in Cebu Chong Hua Hospital fighting for her life, the same friends helped and comforted my sisters and cousins who were there with Mommy. One of them was Manang Nessy. She brought her son to the hospital so my sisters and cousin would have an errand boy to buy medicines, etc.. What was a huge blessing from God.

Working in the commercial bank in the big city was nothing compared to working with the people in the barrios and boondocks. But my work in the bank in the city led me to my experience in Cebu. It was glorifying. That kind of job made me feel like I am doing something good for God and not just for myself and my family. I further realized that there's a lot of ways to do your work and at the same time glorify the Lord.

Dong, your job as a doctor is a very important one. You'll be helping life. You'll be God's hand in healing people. I have no doubt in my mind that you will do an excellent job not because you are summa cum laude but because you have the heart. You have the conscience. You have tremendous faith in the Lord I don't get to see always in young men like you. Keep grounded with your faith, Dong, because you will go far and every step of the way, God will guide you.

There is a saying baya, Ate Ging,

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Learn to think in positive affirmations. Affirmations are any statements you make. Too often we think in negative affirmations. Negative affirmations only create more of what you say you don't want. Saying, I hate my job, will get you nowhere. Declaring, I now accept a wonderful new job, will open the channels in your consciousness to create that.

-Louisse Hay

and this saying almost applies to your personal anecdote. You are a work-a-holic, 'te. Even before I read this or talked to you about this in our countless conversations, whenever I read your posts or look at the pictures of the activities you have with friends and family, maka conceptualize pood ko tha you are work-oriented.

There is organization and categorization in your objectives, in your duties, in your passions. When you cook something, it is followed almost in meticulous order; whenever you take pictures, you start of in order, when you explain a saying or a personal story, there is always an element of organization and fluid-like systemic approach. There is always a life lesson, which goes back to scriptural references, in all of your explanations. To tell you the truth, that is one of the many reasons why I love to read your posts and internalize it personally.

When you say something, it is astute. A lesson to learn.

As for your experiences in Manila as a successful banker and officer, I know you are quite successful. I already knew this before reading your personal stories. In fact, one can see it through how you explain things, it is always blanketed. Total coverage

Ate, I personally think you are so lucky in that you have the experience in urbanized banking, but also you have the experience in grass-roots organization, agrarian-based banking, local systems, and also Most Importantly, you are so family oriented. Your life lesson reverberates to all of us, Ate Ging. And what a powerful experience you have, something I can only dream of even experiencing. Some of us students are mostly theory-based; wa pa jud mi ka interact on a 'hands-on' basis. So to hear from your experience and digesting your lessons is like a breath of fresh air.

For me, there are two kinds of people:
Those who prioritize work, and those who prioritize family.
You cover both, Ate Ging.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #15 on:** April 29, 2008, 02:52:42 pm »

Sige, let us get back into topic of bible study.

I apologize for going of topic.

Please, someone start a topic of study.

Thanks, guys

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simplylee · « **Reply #16 on:** April 29, 2008, 02:56:05 pm »

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #17 on:** April 29, 2008, 03:03:37 pm »

I need someone to explain to me something, as I have been trying to understand a particular scriptural saying.

"You are the salt of the earth: but if the salt has lost its savor, wherewith shall it be salted? It is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men"
(Matthew 5:13).

My question is what does the Lord mean by the salt? Are Christians, in general, the salt? Or is the salt humanity in general? Just what did Christ mean by saying that salt could loose its savor?
What can we do in order to prevent this from happening?

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #18 on:** June 02, 2008, 10:18:52 am »

These past few days, I've been contemplating on the awe-inspiring power of the Lord. Everytime I ask for something and pray for guidance or for divine Providence' intercession, it somehow manifests itself. Though sometimes my answers are not answered according to my expectations, Providence always answers it according to His Will. And one immediately knows that the said action was the answer one was looking for. Even if it is reading a particular verse in the Bible.

Reading the Bible, I stumbled on the answer that I was looking for and contemplating for the other day. Isn't it amazing how it was answered?

There is a specific verse in the Bible in Wisdom 7: 7-12

"Solomon Prayed and Wisdom and Riches Came to Him"

Therefore I prayed and prudence was given me;
I pleaded and the spirit of Wisdom came to me.
I preferred her to scepter and throne,
And deemed riches nothing in comparison with her,
nor did I like any priceless gem to her;

Because all gold, in view of her, is a little sand.,
and before her, silver is to be accounted mire.

Beyond health and comeliness I loved her,
And I chose to have her rather than the light,
because the splendor of her never yields to sleep.

Yet all good things together came to me in her company,
and countless riches at her hands;

And I rejoiced in them all, because Wisdom is their leader
though I had not known that she is the mother of these.

Beautiful isn't it?

Pray for Wisdom, and It surely will come to you. Not only wisdom, but riches. Sometimes not in terms of wealth, but richness according to the Will of God.

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slackware · « **Reply #19 on:** June 02, 2008, 12:28:16 pm »

Quote from: Lorenzo on April 29, 2008, 03:03:37 pm

I need someone to explain to me something, as I have been trying to understand a particular scriptural saying.

"You are the salt of the earth: but if the salt has lost its savor, wherewith shall it be salted? It is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men"
(Matthew 5:13).

My question is what does the Lord mean by the salt? Are Christians, in general, the salt? Or is the salt humanity in general? Just what did Christ mean by saying that salt could loose its savor?
What can we do in order to prevent this from happening?

sa karaang panahon sa middle east, kanang asin gi mining na siya. bulto2x ang gidak-on sa bato ana. inig human ug separate sa asin sa bato, ang bato na nagtangag ug asin himo-on na na nilang murag silbing doormat sa ilang balay. mao to literal na meaning sa gisuti ni jesus na " but if the salt has lost its savor, wherewith shall it be salted? It is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men"

the salt not only gives balance to the taste to the food but also act as a food preservative. the salt mentioned here are the good people, they keep the balance in the world. they make the difference...they make the world a better place to live...if they lose their savor, mao to dapat na cya silutan ug yatak yatakan nalang. in order not to lose its savor, one must continue studying the words of God. once must continue doing the will of God.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #20 on:** June 06, 2008, 01:05:59 pm »

Thank you for your explanation, Anastasio. I really appreciate it.

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Brownman · « **Reply #21 on:** June 06, 2008, 11:23:35 pm »

Brothers and sisters here's a spiritual meaning of salt which was taken from (Ezekiel 47:11);

That salt signifies the longing of truth for good, is evident from the signification of salt, as being that longing for good which is of the love of truth; hence salted denotes that in which is this longing. The reason why there must be a longing of truth for good is that this longing is conjunctive of the two; for in so far as truth longs for good, so far it is conjoined with it. The conjunction of truth and good is what is called the heavenly marriage, which is heaven itself with man; and therefore when in Divine worship, and in each and all things of it, there is a longing for this conjunction, heaven is in each and all things there. Thus the Lord is in them. This is signified by the requirement that the incense should be salted. Salt has this signification from its conjunctive nature; for it conjoins all things, and from this gives them relish; salt even conjoins water and oil, which otherwise will not combine.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #22 on:** June 08, 2008, 11:05:33 am »

Beautifully written, Mr. Brownman. Thank you for your personal interpretation. I personally like your figurative example in describing how salt signifies the truth for good.

My respects,

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #23 on:** June 27, 2008, 12:58:48 pm »

In 2 Kings 2:8, we read that the waters of the Jordan were parted and Elijah and Elisha crossed over on dry ground. Where are there two more Biblical instances of waters being parted and the people passing over on dry ground?

Please write them.

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benelynne · « **Reply #24 on:** June 27, 2008, 05:49:59 pm »

Quote from: Lorenzo on June 27, 2008, 12:58:48 pm

In 2 Kings 2:8, we read that the waters of the Jordan were parted and Elijah and Elisha crossed over on dry ground. Where are there two more Biblical instances of waters being parted and the people passing over on dry ground?

Please write them.

(1) Exodus 14

This happened when Moses and the Israelites were pursued by the Egyptians and were hemmed in behind them by the marauding army and in front of them by the sea.

21 Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea, and all that night the LORD drove the sea back with a strong east wind and turned it into dry land. The waters were divided,

22 and the Israelites went through the sea on dry ground, with a wall of water on their right and on their left.

(2) Joshua 3

This happened when the Israelites led by Joshua, after taking over the helm from Moses who already died, were about to cross to the Promised Land and were given a divine sign that they would defeat the occupants of Canaan.

14 So when the people broke camp to cross the Jordan, the priests carrying the ark of the covenant went ahead of them.

15 Now the Jordan is in flood all during harvest. Yet as soon as the priests who carried the ark reached the Jordan and their feet touched the water's edge,

16 the water from upstream stopped flowing. It piled up in a heap a great distance away, at a town called Adam in the vicinity of Zarethan, while the water flowing down to the Sea of the Arabah (the Salt Sea) was completely cut off. So the people crossed over opposite Jericho.

17 The priests who carried the ark of the covenant of the LORD stood firm on dry ground in the middle of the Jordan, while all Israel passed by until the whole nation had completed the crossing on dry ground.

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simplylee · « **Reply #25 on:** June 27, 2008, 08:56:26 pm »

guys want to know how to live after this life? you have to study this, not just read but learn how

B- basic
I- instructions
B- before
L- leaving
E- earth

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #26 on:** June 27, 2008, 09:06:34 pm »

ahaha

i like it Lee!

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simplylee · « **Reply #27 on:** June 27, 2008, 09:07:50 pm »

mao na among ginabuhat dire ka upat sa usa ka semana

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #28 on:** June 27, 2008, 09:10:14 pm »

Lee naa baja koy bible study sa una sa LA pa ko. It lasted for years, akong mga classmates mga bajut, adto mi sa akong apartment mag tipok, dajun naa sad mi pastor mo lead. That was fun and i wish i could find some people here in my town who are interested to do that thing. Mo host jud ko.

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simplylee · « **Reply #29 on:** June 27, 2008, 09:12:16 pm »

maayo bitaw na dili lang maghisgot ug tinuohan basta kay bible ra jud.

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #30 on:** June 27, 2008, 09:35:08 pm »

Mao man jud na ang buttom line ngano nga naay mga reliheyon nga lain2x. ang purpose unta gud para mag tapok kay tun-an ang bibliya.

I considered that group a small church baja! di ba ang church is not a structure? but a group of people, big and small???

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simplylee · « **Reply #31 on:** June 27, 2008, 09:57:02 pm »

Quote from: ms da binsi on June 27, 2008, 09:35:08 pm

Mao man jud na ang buttom line ngano nga naay mga reliheyon nga lain2x. ang purpose unta gud para mag tapok kay tun-an ang bibliya.

I considered that group a small church baja! di ba ang church is not a structure? but a group of people, big and small???

korek ka dyan ms da bins

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #32 on:** June 28, 2008, 01:53:46 am »

Quote from: benelynne on June 27, 2008, 05:49:59 pm

(1) Exodus 14

This happened when Moses and the Israelites were pursued by the Egyptians and were hemmed in behind them by the marauding army and in front of them by the sea.

21 Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea, and all that night the LORD drove the sea back with a strong east wind and turned it into dry land. The waters were divided,

22 and the Israelites went through the sea on dry ground, with a wall of water on their right and on their left.

(2) Joshua 3

This happened when the Israelites led by Joshua, after taking over the helm from Moses who already died, were about to cross to the Promised Land and were given a divine sign that they would defeat the occupants of Canaan.

14 So when the people broke camp to cross the Jordan, the priests carrying the ark of the covenant went ahead of them.

15 Now the Jordan is in flood all during harvest. Yet as soon as the priests who carried the ark reached the Jordan and their feet touched the water's edge,

16 the water from upstream stopped flowing. It piled up in a heap a great distance away, at a town called Adam in the vicinity of Zarethan, while the water flowing down to the Sea of the Arabah (the Salt Sea) was completely cut off. So the people crossed over opposite Jericho.

17 The priests who carried the ark of the covenant of the LORD stood firm on dry ground in the middle of the Jordan, while all Israel passed by until the whole nation had completed the crossing on dry ground.

Well answered, Tito Benne. Very thorough.

Lets continue, shall we?

According to Numbers 21:5-9, in what way did the people tempt God? How were they punished for tempting God? Lastly, What does Paul mean when he says we "tempt the Lord"?

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simplylee · « **Reply #33 on:** June 28, 2008, 08:47:51 am »

1. the israelites were always complaining even with God's provisions and blessings, their mental attitude are full of arrogance and sins so they cannot see what God did for them on the previous verses. they were looking at themselves rather than looking on what God did, can do and is doing for them. they spoke against God and they even blame moses for leading them out of slavery from egypt. as their punishment, the Lord sent fiery serpents, many were bitten and died. then the people realized that they sinned against God so the repent and asked moses to intercede
with the Lord, then with God's mercy and faithfulness He give solution to their problem by showing them that looking unto God is the answer not by looking unto themselves. the serpent on the standard is the shadow of what will happen on the cross. by believing what the Lord Jesus Christ has done on the cross gives us life which is eternal.
2. "tempt the Lord" can i ask the passage of the new testament about this.

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benelynne · « **Reply #34 on:** June 28, 2008, 09:43:04 am »

Quote from: simplylee on June 28, 2008, 08:47:51 am

1. the israelites were always complaining even with God's provisions and blessings, their mental attitude are full of arrogance and sins so they cannot see what God did for them on the previous verses. they were looking at themselves rather than looking on what God did, can do and is doing for them. they spoke against God and they even blame moses for leading them out of slavery from egypt. as their punishment, the Lord sent fiery serpents, many were bitten and died. then the people realized that they sinned against God so the repent and asked moses to intercede
with the Lord, then with God's mercy and faithfulness He give solution to their problem by showing them that looking unto God is the answer not by looking unto themselves. the serpent on the standard is the shadow of what will happen on the cross. by believing what the Lord Jesus Christ has done on the cross gives us life which is eternal.
2. "tempt the Lord" can i ask the passage of the new testament about this.

Ari ko sa tupad nimo aning klase, kay murag malandagan ta ug dugang. In the New International Version that I read, the word used is "testing" God rather than "tempting" Him. For example, the command in Deuteronomy 16:6 in the NIV version is "Do not test the LORD your God as you did at Massah."

I think, Dong, it would be advisable if you specify the version or translation of the Bible, as well as the particular text, so that we will have a common point of reference. I sometimes read more than two versions, sometimes Catholic and Protestant versions, just to get more understanding of the text.

I would also like to know which specific New Testament text you're referring to when Paul spoke of "tempting the Lord."

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #35 on:** July 01, 2008, 04:25:39 am »

Numbers 21:5-9 divulges about the complaints of the Hebrews and their ill-contempt for the deliverance the LORD had promised them and had given them from Bondage.

'The people complained against God and Moses, "Why have you brought us up from Egypt to die in this desert, where there is no food or water? We are disgusted with this wretched food!'

In punishment the LORD sent among the people saraph serpents, which bit the people so that many of them died. Then the people came to Moses and said, "We have sinned in complaining against the LORD and you. Pray the LORD to take the serpents from us."

So Moses prayed for the people, and the LORD said to Moses,

"Make a saraph and mount it on a pole, and if anyone who has been bitten looks at it, he will recover."

Moses accordingly made a bronze serpent and mounted it on a pole, and whenever anyone who had been bitten by a serpent looked at the bronze serpent, he recovered.'

In this excerpt, it was the Hebrews that tempted the LORD with their arrogance and their ingratitude. They who were in bondage by Egypt for hundreds of years, whose same prayers rose to the Throne of Divine Mercy like sweet incense to be heard by The Almighty. That the Lord of Hosts sent Moses to be the deliverer of His People. Even after the miracles of the great plagues, even after the appearance of the Whirlwind of Fire that The LORD sent to hold back Pharaoh's charriots, and even after The LORD opened the Red Sea and SWALLOWED Pharaoh's Army at the same time; still the Hebrews would not stop complaining.

One here is reminded that 'tempting' the Lord Your God is by the use of words of arrogance, ingratitude, and sacrilegious actions in reference to the Divine Person.

We are reminded of this in In Deuteronomy 5, through Moses, He had rehearsed to the children of Israel the Ten Commandments. Then, in chapter 6, He told them to "love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your might" (verse 5). He further told them to teach God's ways to their children, fear Him, stay away from other gods, and do "not tempt the LORD your God" (verses 7, 13-14, 16). As Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28 show, God's blessings would flow to them if they were obedientâ€”blessings that include the promise of protection.

And again in another verse;

In Matthew 4, Satan tempts Christ in various ways. At one point, he tries to get Jesus to throw Himself off the roof of the Temple, saying, "For it is written: 'He shall give His angels charge concerning you,' and, 'In their hands they shall bear you up, lest you dash your foot against a stone'" (verse 6). Here Satan twists Psalm 91:11-12, which says, "For He shall give His angels charge over you, to keep you in all your ways. They shall bear you up in their hands, lest you dash your foot against a stone." God is promising protection to His people here, telling us that He will place His angels about us. He is not telling us to attempt to hurt ourselves in a deliberate effort to see if He will come through for us.

This, my brothers and sisters, is the ACT OF TEMPTING the Lord of Hosts. No One should EVER tempt the Lord, to see if the Lord Will Do or Not Do. The LORD wills things to happen because he has already seen the things that are yet to come. And came. As a Christian, all we have to do is BELIEVE and GLORIFY the LORD. Not 'tempt' him or 'test' him. In the grand scheme of things, we are but an insignificant speck in contrast to the Throne of the Divine Mercy. BUT it is in HIS GRACE that he cherishes us and LOVES us absolutely and UNCONDITIONALLY.

We are INSIGNIFICANT yet he LOVES us anyways.

We have NO RIGHT to Tempt the Lord, Our God. Only to Glorify Him. Now and Forever.

When Satan attempts to persuade Christ to jump off a building to prove that He truly is the Son of God, He answers the Devil, "It is written again, 'You shall not tempt the LORD your God'" (Matthew 4:7). Certainly, Jesus knew that God's angels were all about Him, but He also knew not to test God deliberately. Christ was quoting from Deuteronomy 6:16, where hundreds of years earlier, He Himself had said this very same thing to the Israelites.

Tito Benne, The Only Bible I read is the one on my table, the Holy Bible: Catholica Magesterium

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #36 on:** July 02, 2008, 12:07:27 pm »

Let's continue.

Is circumcision necessary for salvation?

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #37 on:** July 03, 2008, 01:13:52 am »

Salvation from germs ang unsa pa nang mga kagaw2x diha!

Thats all i can say. What has TULI something to do with GOD?

nothing, they only knew then nga ang tuli is a hygiene.

Nag sugod ang Tuli sa mga Jews, as far as i have known and they were not christians...

Jews are just the cleanest people I have ever known in my entire life, dili lang sa ilang genitals but in everything.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #38 on:** July 03, 2008, 03:00:25 am »

Quote from: ms da binsi on July 03, 2008, 01:13:52 am

Salvation from germs ang unsa pa nang mga kagaw2x diha!

Thats all i can say. What has TULI something to do with GOD?

nothing, they only knew then nga ang tuli is a hygiene.

Nag sugod ang Tuli sa mga Jews, as far as i have known and they were not christians...

Jews are just the cleanest people I have ever known in my entire life, dili lang sa ilang genitals but in everything.

Certain men from Jerusalem travel to Antioch and begin teaching that certain believers (Gentiles) must be circumcised in order to receive salvation (Acts 15:1, 5). After Paul and Barnabas discuss and dispute this teaching with those promoting it, they and other church members go to Jerusalem to confer about the issue with the apostles and elders (Acts 15:2, Galatians 2:1-2).

After arriving in Jerusalem Paul and Barnabas privately meet with James, Peter (Cephas) and John about the circumcision question (Galatians 2:4-10). The issue of whether converted Gentiles should be circumcised or not is then discussed with the entire church (Acts 15:6, 12, 22). It is ultimately decided that Gentiles need not be circumcised (Acts 15:19). A letter regarding this decision is delivered to the Gentile Christians in Antioch by a group composed of Paul, Barnabas, Silas and others (Acts 15:22-31).

Circumcision was mandated as a way to delineate which one was God's people. The Hebrews are circumcised because it was mandated by the Almighty as told in the Talmud. Many Christians to this day do this because of cultural and traditional methodology.

It links the relationship of Early Christianity with Jewish practices.

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benelynne · « **Reply #39 on:** July 03, 2008, 05:39:11 pm »

Quote from: ms da binsi on July 03, 2008, 01:13:52 am

Salvation from germs ang unsa pa nang mga kagaw2x diha!

Thats all i can say. What has TULI something to do with GOD?

nothing, they only knew then nga ang tuli is a hygiene.

Nag sugod ang Tuli sa mga Jews, as far as i have known and they were not christians...

Jews are just the cleanest people I have ever known in my entire life, dili lang sa ilang genitals but in everything.

Hi Belle,

You saved me from a stressful day! Wa jud muot ang TB ug wa ka dire... Sa mga Bible Study ra ba, mas lively ang discussion kung naay mga interjection nga in-ani.

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