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« on: August 26, 2007, 06:31:12 AM »
The word islam is derived from the Arabic verb aslama, which means to accept, surrender or submit. Thus, Islam means submission to and acceptance of God, and believers must demonstrate this by worshiping him, following his commands, and avoiding polytheism. The word is given a number of meanings in the Qur'an. In some verses (ayat), the quality of Islam as an internal conviction is stressed: "Whomsoever God desires to guide, He expands his breast to Islam."[8] Other verses connect isl?m and d?n (usually translated as "religion"): "Today, I have perfected your religion (d?n) for you; I have completed My blessing upon you; I have approved Islam for your religion."[9] Still others describe Islam as an action of returning to God—more than just a verbal affirmation of faith.[10]

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According to the Qur'an all Muslims have to believe in God, his revelations, his angels, his messengers, and in the "Day of Judgment".[11] Also, there are other beliefs that differ between particular sects. The Sunni concept of predestination is called divine decree,[12] while the Shi'a version is called divine justice. Unique to the Shi'a is the doctrine of Imamah, or the political and spiritual leadership of the Imams.[13]

Muslims believe that God revealed his final message to humanity through the Islamic prophet Muhammad via the angel Gabriel. For them, Muhammad was God's final prophet and the Qur'an is the revelations he received over more than two decades.[14] In Islam, prophets are men selected by God to be his messengers. Muslims believe that prophets are human and not divine, though some are able to perform miracles to prove their claim. Islamic prophets are considered to be the closest to perfection of all humans, and are uniquely the recipients of divine revelation—either directly from God or through angels.[15] Islamic theology says that all of God's messengers since Adam preached the message of Islam—submission to the will of the one God. Islam is described in the Qur'an as "the primordial nature upon which God created mankind",[16] and the Qur'an states that the proper name Muslim was given by Abraham.[17]

As a historical phenomenon, Islam originated in Arabia in the early 7th century.[18] Islamic texts depict Judaism and Christianity as prophetic successor traditions to the teachings of Abraham. The Qur'an calls Jews and Christians "People of the Book" (ahl al-kit?b), and distinguishes them from polytheists. Muslims believe that parts of the previously revealed scriptures, the Tawrat (Torah) and the Injil (Gospels), had become distorted—either in interpretation, in text, or both.[4]

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Islam's fundamental theological concept is tawh?d—the belief that there is only one God. The Arabic term for God is All?h; most scholars believe it was derived from a contraction of the words al- (the) and ?il?h (deity, masculine form), meaning "the God" (al-il?h), but others trace its origin to the Aramaic Al?h?.[19] The first of the Five Pillars of Islam, tawh?d is expressed in the shahadah (testification), which declares that there is no god but God, and that Muhammad is God's messenger. In traditional Islamic theology, God is beyond all comprehension; Muslims are not expected to visualize God but to worship and adore him as a protector. Although Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet, they reject the Christian doctrine of the Trinity, comparing it to polytheism. In Islamic theology, Jesus is just a man and not the son of God;[20] God is described in a chapter (sura) of the Qur'an as "…God, the One and Only; God, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him."

Muslims consider the Qur'an to be the literal word of God; it is the central religious text of Islam.[22] Muslims believe that the verses of the Qur'an were revealed to Muhammad by God through the angel Gabriel on many occasions between the years 610 and his death on July 6, 632. The Qur'an was written down by Muhammad's companions (sahabah) while he was alive, although the prime method of transmission was orally. It was compiled in the time of Abu Bakr, the first caliph, and was standardized in the time of Uthman, the third caliph. From textual evidence, modern Western academics find that the Qur'an of today has not changed over the years.[23]

The Qur'an is divided into 114 suras, or chapters, which combined, contain 6,236 ?y?t, or poetic verses. The chronologically earlier suras, revealed at Mecca, are primarily concerned with ethical and spiritual topics. The later Medinan suras mostly discuss social and moral issues relevant to the Muslim community.[24] The Qur'an is more concerned with moral guidance than legal instruction, and is considered the "sourcebook of Islamic principles and values".[25] Muslim jurists consult the hadith, or the written record of Muhammad's life, to both supplement the Qur'an and assist with its interpretation. The science of Qur'anic commentary and exegesis is known as tafsir.[26]

The word Qur'an means "recitation". When Muslims speak in the abstract about "the Qur'an", they usually mean the scripture as recited in Arabic rather than the printed work or any translation of it. To Muslims, the Qur'an is perfect only as revealed in the original Arabic; translations are necessarily deficient because of language differences, the fallibility of translators, and the impossibility of preserving the original's inspired style. Translations are therefore regarded only as commentaries on the Qur'an, or "interpretations of its meaning", not as the Qur'an itself.[27]

There was one video online that I saw which was rather interesting. Here is the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ypzpug6So9E

What are your views on Islam? Maybe some of our muslim posters can tell us more about their faith--and enlighten us on it.




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Re: Islam
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2007, 11:17:14 AM »
do you know that there are 3 major sects of islam?
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« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2007, 11:18:27 AM »
Can you tell us more about it? Aren't you a muslim?

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« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2007, 11:24:19 AM »
sunni is the traditinal and the original one and the religion of most muslim originated from saudi arabia.
shi'ite is the modern and revised form of islam which is originated somewhere in iraq or iran. this is the 2nd largest denomination of islam
druze also a revision of the traditional islam originated in syria/lebanon.

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« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2007, 11:29:51 AM »

So what are the main differences between Sunni and Shii muslims, pare?

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« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2007, 12:08:38 PM »
sa doctrina pre! for sunni last prophet si muhammed whereas sa shi'te si ali ang last prophet then shi'te believe na ang spirit of Allah nisulod kang ali. then sa form of prayers sad naay variations...basta daghan kalainan sa doctrine...mo duty sa ko...just leave your questions and ill try to answer tonight after work.

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« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2007, 07:11:51 AM »


Si  Muhammad ali???? ;D
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« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2007, 11:15:17 AM »
Si muhammad ali...boxer man na!

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« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2007, 01:18:00 PM »
So what are your views on the other two abrahamic religions per se Christianity and Judaism? Does the Q'uran have specific reference of about us?

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« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2007, 10:53:14 PM »
Daghan similarity ang Q'uran sa old and new testament Bible. guinaingon na ang Quran daw sumpay lang sa new testament. pero naa lay gamay variation like in old testament dili si isaac ang gi sacrifice ni abraham kundi si ismail. sa new testament sad, wala namatay si jesus christ sa cross.

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« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2007, 07:01:56 AM »
Thanks for sharing mohandis, I was also talking to one of my friends the other day, he happens to be Pakistani and muslim, and he said that in the Q'uran--it is taught that Jesus Christ (ISSA--as he is mentioned in the Q'uran) is not the son of God, but a prophet of God and Mohammed (PBUH) is the last prophet of God.

Islam has very interesting and strict codes such and ways---such is seen in Shariyah--and is similar to old Hebrew laws. In my view though, and let me reiterate that I do have respect for muslims, the main difference between Islam and Christianity is that muslims do not recongize Jesus Christ as the Son of God--and do not share the trinitarian view of christianity: that God comes in three forms--The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit.

Other than that--Islam and Christianity are rather similar from concepts of the old testament to the new testament. But it is that one critical and important difference that makes the two religions different. I admit that I am not an expert on Islam, and that explains my natural curiosity and interest in a religion--that traces its roots to Abraham/Ibrahim.

Mohandis, so you visited Mekka and Medina? How was the experience?

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« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2007, 10:21:49 AM »
Abi ninyo no? moabot ang panahon nga mag pa convert na ko ug musllim ani, i have been searching churches to convince me wa pa gyud. If i can only read the Qur'an i would kay there are things they have in there nga wala sa atong Bible... and besides, they were the first people who were mentioned in the bible... ambot lang di ko kasabot....

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« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2007, 11:15:10 AM »
not all christians believe that jesus is the son of God as well as the trinitarian doctrine. The INC church has a docrtrine almost the same as Islam. Makaah and Madidah is too crowded! Mamatay ka sa stampede didto if tatanga-tanga ka!

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« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2007, 11:16:18 AM »
e try una ang INC wyble...

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« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2007, 12:43:11 PM »
asa man ko ana mangita diri?? basi ma alaan unya ko nga kabit ni Bin Laden kay nag muslim naman...

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« Reply #15 on: August 30, 2007, 05:43:57 PM »

'Christians' that dont believe in Jesus as the Son of God; and those who don't accept the trinitarian view are not christians at all. Religions such as Mormonism and Jehovah's Witnesses are considered cults and heretics by the Roman Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church, Coptic Churches and by large protestant congregations such as the United Methodist, Presbyterian, Lutheran and Anglican churches.

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« Reply #16 on: August 30, 2007, 05:56:14 PM »

I have read the translated version of the Q'uran--as a means to understand it better. The Q'uran's teachings are almost a copy of the Bible's old and new testament and it adopts somewhat the new teachings of the talmud, the holy Jewish texts. Conspicuously, Christians and Jews are actually the first people mentioned in the Q'uran--as we came before the Muslims. Judaism is the fountain of our faith--for is the faith that influenced christianity and islam. In fact, the Q'uran refers to Christians and Jews as 'The People of the Book'--or "Ahl al- Kitâb" (followers of the bible)

Here is a particular excerpt:

1. And do not dispute with the followers of the Book except by what is best, except those of them who act unjustly, and say: We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our God and your God is One, and to Him do we submit. [Qur'an 29:46]

2. Not all of them are alike; a party of the people of the Scripture stand for the right, they recite the Verses of God during the hours of the night, prostrating themselves in prayer. They believe in God and the Last Day; they enjoin Al-Ma'rûf and forbid Al-Munkar ; and they hasten in (all) good works; and they are among the righteous. And whatever good they do, nothing will be rejected of them; for God knows well those who are Al-Muttaqûn .(3:113-115)

3. Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve . [Qur'an 2:62]

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However, Islam does clearly distinct itself from Christian teachings in that Islam Rejects our Lord Christ Jesus:

1. In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Al-Masih the son of Maryam. Say: "Who then hath the least power against Allah, if His Will were to destroy Al-Masih the son of Maryam, his mother, and all, everyone that is on the earth? For to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He createth what He pleaseth. For Allah hath power over all things." Quran 5.17 ( Surat Al-Mayda , verse 17)

2. They do blaspheme who say: "Allah is Al-Masih the son of Maryam." But said Al-Masih: "O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other gods with Allah, Allah will forbid him the Garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help. Quran 5.72 ( Surat Al-Mayda, verse 72)

3. Al-Masih, the son of Maryam, was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth make His Signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth! Quran 5.75 ( Surat Al-Mayda, verse 75)





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« Reply #17 on: August 30, 2007, 07:02:09 PM »
The INC's claimed that they are christians but they dont accept the doctrine that jesus is the son of God and the dont believe the trinitarian teachings.

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« Reply #18 on: August 30, 2007, 09:24:35 PM »
See nang judge napod ???? naka kita ba sila ni Jesus Christ??? kana ganing image nga atong gibutang sa altar dili man gani na siya???? for heaven's sake.

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« Reply #19 on: August 30, 2007, 11:06:10 PM »

Then by that philosophy--they are not Christian. If you do not believe in Jesus Christ as your saviour and redeemer--who comes from the Father--to redeem the world of sins..then you are not a Christian. If you do not believe in the holy union of God the Father, the son (The Word Made Flesh) and the Holy Spirit--and all three in one, then you are not a christian.

They would be considered 'new' churches; however these styles of churches are considered heretics and cultists by traditional christian sects per se: The Roman Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church and some more traditional/conservative Protestant congregations (Methodist, Presbyterian, Lutheran,Anglican, Baptist).

I'm telling you as a Catholic and a student who attended catholic prep school--and from numerous conversations with my bishop and college catholic chaplain.

Lastly, I encourage everyone in here who is a catholic and christian to read the translated version of the Q'uran--as it does help strengthen your faith--as much of the teachings in the Holy Q'uran are reiterations of the Holy Bible and Talmudic texts. Blessed is the Lord, who works in mysterious ways, tinuud jud.
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Here are some excerpts form the Holy Bible and scripture:

"they shall call his name EMMANUEL, which being interpreted is, GOD WITH US."
--MATTHEW 1:23

"...if ye believe not that I am he,
ye shall die in your sins."
--JESUS CHRIST, JOHN 8:24

y him (Jesus) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth...all things were created by him, and for him. Colossians 1:16

I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself. Isaiah 44:24

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God John 1:1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God...All things were made by him...He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not...And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us John 1:1, 3, 10, 14

Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. John 8:58

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the FATHER, THE WORD, AND THE HOLY GHOST: and THESE THREE ARE ONE."
-1 John 5:7

"Philip saith unto him, 'Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.' Jesus saith unto him, 'Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me Philip? HE THAT HATH SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER; and how sayest thou then, 'Shew us the Father?''"
-- John 14:8-9

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Some Objections to the Trinity Answered

Despite the clear Biblical evidence for the Trinity, some cults have objections based on misunderstandings of Scripture.

Jesus said: ‘My Father is greater (meizon) than I’ (John 14:28). But this refers to the Father’s greater position in Heaven, not superior nature. Philippians 2:5–11 states that Jesus had equality by nature with God, but voluntarily took on the lower position of a servant. The same arguments apply to related passages about Jesus submitting to His Father’s will.

The word ‘better’ (kreitton) would have been used to describe superiority in nature if this is what had been meant. Indeed, kreitton is used to describe Jesus’ superiority in His very nature to the angels (Hebrews 1:4). The distinction can be illustrated in the human realm by the role of the Prime Minister — he is greater than us in position, but he is still a human being like us, so is not better in nature.

Jesus is called ‘the firstborn of every creature’ (Colossians 1:15). However, in Jewish imagery, ‘firstborn’ means ‘having the rights and special privileges belonging to the eldest child’. It refers to pre-eminence in rank more than to priority in time. This can be shown in passages where the term ‘firstborn’ is used of the pre-eminent son who was not the eldest, e.g. Psalm 89:27, where David is called ‘firstborn’ although he was actually the youngest son.

‘Firstborn’ does not mean ‘first created’; the Greek for the latter is protoktisis, while firstborn is prototokos. In fact, the verses after Colossians 1:15 show that Christ Himself is the creator of all things.

Jesus is Son of God. From this, some cults try to show that Jesus is somehow less than God. But in Jewish imagery, ‘the son of’ often meant ‘of the order of’ or ‘having the very nature of’. For example, ‘sons of the prophets’ meant ‘of the order of prophets’ (1 Kings 20:35); ‘sons of the singers’ meant ‘of the order of singers’ (Nehemiah 12:28). Jesus’ Jewish contemporaries understood that He was claiming to be God, which is why they wanted to kill him for blasphemy (John 19:7).

Jesus is the ‘only-begotten Son’ (John 3:16). The Greek word translated ‘only-begotten’ is monogenes, which means ‘unique, ‘one of a kind’. Jesus is the unique Son of God, because he is God by His very nature (see above). Believers in Him become ‘sons of God’ by adoption (Galatians 3:26–4:7).

This is shown in the human realm by Hebrews 11:17, where Isaac is called Abraham’s ‘only begotten son’. Abraham had other sons, but Isaac was the unique son of the Abrahamic Covenant (Genesis chapters 15–18, 20), born when his parents were old.




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