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Your view on burying Tamerlan Tsarnaev?
« on: May 07, 2013, 05:16:38 AM »
I've been reading reports online how no graveyard wants to receive the body of the deceased Mr. Tamerlan Tsarnaev, one of the suspected Boston bombers. What's your view on this ?

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Re: Your view on burying Tamerlan Tsarnaev?
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2013, 05:17:58 AM »
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Re: Your view on burying Tamerlan Tsarnaev?
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2013, 05:20:03 AM »
I believe that he should be buried. Every man, criminal or not, deserves a burial. Just bury him.

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Re: Your view on burying Tamerlan Tsarnaev?
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2013, 06:49:46 AM »
That he should be buried, I guess most of us would agree. But we can't just bury him, just like that. There remains the obvious requirement of having a physical space to bury him in.

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Re: Your view on burying Tamerlan Tsarnaev?
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2013, 08:36:47 AM »
Unsaon man diay nila ng body? I-preserved? ipabulok nila hangtud nga maka cause ug sakit sa ilang community... samot sila magkaproblema... He should be buried.. or cremated.. nganong lisud lisuron man na oi.. tao man pod na siya bisan kriminal... :o

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Re: Your view on burying Tamerlan Tsarnaev?
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2013, 09:04:46 AM »
how true, loll.  cremation, though, is out of the question because he is a muslim.  that, too, has to be respected, aside from his remains. 

i guess the real problem here is the living.

"My problem here is trying to find a gravesite. A lot of people don't want to do it. They don't want to be involved with this," said Stefan, who said dozens of protesters gathered outside his funeral home, upset with his decision to handle the service. "I keep bringing up the point of Lee Harvey Oswald, Timothy McVeigh or Ted Bundy. Somebody had to do those, too." (The trouble of burying bomb suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev, more at http://mg.co.za/article/2013-05-04-the-trouble-of-burying-bomb-suspect-tamerlan-tsarnaev

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Re: Your view on burying Tamerlan Tsarnaev?
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2013, 09:11:44 AM »
i guess the real problem here is the living.

Hmm, so how about the proposal of some of the living to ship the remains to Russia? How viable is the idea?

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Re: Your view on burying Tamerlan Tsarnaev?
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2013, 09:23:41 AM »
Hmm, so how about the proposal of some of the living to ship the remains to Russia? How viable is the idea?

:-\

i have no idea about that idea's viability.  they better ask putin...

tamerlan was a green card holder.  i understand his application for u.s. citizenship was put on hold, unlike his younger brother's.  in a sense, in life as in death, he is a nowhere man.

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Re: Your view on burying Tamerlan Tsarnaev?
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2013, 09:25:10 AM »
Burying Mass Murderers: The Problem of Tamerlan Tsarnaev

Tanya D. Marsh
Professor, Wake Forest Law School
05/05/2013

The Worcester, Massachusetts funeral director with possession of Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev has reported that cemeteries in multiple states have refused to permit burial of his body.

This situation raises several important questions regarding the disposition of human remains. After a person dies, we clearly need to make decisions regarding final disposition, for public health reasons as well as closure for the family and community. But what happens when the remains are those of a person believed to have committed a horrific, recent crime?



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Re: Your view on burying Tamerlan Tsarnaev?
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2013, 09:26:10 AM »
The answer to the legal questions depends in large part on what state hosts the remains. There is very little federal law on this subject. In this case, Tsarnaev died in Massachusetts and his body is apparently currently located in Massachusetts, so that state's law is most relevant.

Like most states, Massachusetts law provides that "every dead body of a human being dying within the commonwealth ... shall be decently buried, entombed in a mausoleum, vault or tomb or cremated within a reasonable time after death." (M.G.L.A. 114 § 43M) The person having custody of the remains is charged with carrying out this obligation. In Tsarnaev's case, his uncle appears to have taken responsibility for his remains after Tsarnaev's wife refused.

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Re: Your view on burying Tamerlan Tsarnaev?
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2013, 09:26:37 AM »
Although the law requires that bodies be decently disposed of within a "reasonable" time after death, it does not provide clear answers about how to accomplish that. For example, no Massachusetts statute requires a cemetery to accept a body for burial. In 2003, in LaCava v. Lucander, the Appeals Court of Massachusetts held that there is no fundamental right to be buried in the cemetery of one's choosing. In that case, a man who had been convicted of killing his wife asked to be buried in the same Westminster, Massachusetts town cemetery where his wife rested. The cemetery commission denied his request, but offered him a plot in another town cemetery.

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« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2013, 09:27:29 AM »
Massachusetts law does provide that each town shall provide one or more "suitable places" for people dying within town limits (M.G.L.A. 114 § 10). Although no case interprets this statute to provide that town cemeteries must accept the remains of any person who died within town limits, it is a reasonable interpretation. Tsarnaev's death certificate indicates that he died at 1:35 a.m. It is unclear whether he died on the street in Watertown, in the ambulance, or at the hospital in Boston. If the funeral director can confirm where he died, his strongest argument is that Massachusetts law requires that town's cemetery to accept Tsarnaev's remains. Of course, the communities in Massachusetts least likely to want to bury Tsarnaev are Watertown and Boston. Regardless, he did not die in Worchester, so there appears to be no legal requirement that the town cemetery in Worchester, or certainly any private cemetery in Worchester, accept his burial.

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Re: Your view on burying Tamerlan Tsarnaev?
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2013, 09:28:20 AM »
Tsarnaev's are not the first infamous set of remains posing these questions. Before Timothy McVeigh's 2001 execution in Terre Haute, Indiana, Congress enacted 38 USC § 2411, which prohibits those convicted of certain capital crimes from being buried in "federally funded cemeteries" like Arlington National Cemetery. This legislation was deemed necessary because, as a veteran, McVeigh otherwise had a right to be buried in a national cemetery. Representative Joseph Knollenberg of Michigan explained the reasoning behind the legislation: "Our Nation's cemeteries are sacred ground. They are a solemn and sad reminder of the price our Nation has paid for the freedom that we enjoy every day. It is not fitting to allow the likes of Timothy McVeigh or any other death penalty convict in the company of our fallen heroes." McVeigh was cremated after his execution, and his cremains were released to his attorney.

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« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2013, 09:29:11 AM »
Of course, all cemeteries are sacred places. But we do not generally require a moral litmus test before remains are accepted for burial. For those who die while incarcerated, many state prisons have their own cemeteries for inmates whose bodies go unclaimed. But Tsarnaev died before he could be convicted, so a prison cemetery is not an option. If no cemetery in Massachusetts will take Tsarnaev, what happens to his remains? They cannot simply stay in the funeral home forever. Something must be done.

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« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2013, 09:29:22 AM »
in life as in death, he is a nowhere man.





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« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2013, 09:32:50 AM »
Burying mass murderers... continued

Many infamous mass murderers like Adam Lanza, Dylan Klebold, and Ted Bundy have reportedly been cremated. That is not a likely option in this case. Most observant Muslims do not believe that cremation is an acceptable method of disposition for human remains. If the family of Tamerlan Tsarnaev rejects cremation as an option, then it will likely find that Massachusetts law will provide little assistance in securing a burial place for him.

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Re: Your view on burying Tamerlan Tsarnaev?
« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2013, 09:38:37 AM »
Nowhere man, the world is at your command...

too bad, not anymore.  he was blind as he can be. :(

oh, but he did have a point of view, or so it seems to me that he was making all his somewhere plans for somebody...



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« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2013, 09:47:26 AM »
Hmm, so how about the proposal of some of the living to ship the remains to Russia? How viable is the idea?

:-\
i have no idea about that idea's viability.  they better ask putin...

tamerlan was a green card holder.  i understand his application for u.s. citizenship was put on hold, unlike his younger brother's.  in a sense, in life as in death, he is a nowhere man.

here's a saner bit:

In Tsarnaev's case, his parents are alive and in the Russian region of Dagestan. But Tamerlan Tsarnaev held a passport from the former Soviet republic of Kyrgyzstan, where he was born, so his remains can't be sent to Russia, said Zaurbek Sadakhanov, a lawyer for the parents.

Tsarnaev had requested a Russian passport but had not received one, Sadakhanov said. His parents have not asked that his body be brought to Russia -- and in any event, Russian law says the bodies of "terrorists" killed by government forces should be buried in an undisclosed location, without the family being notified of the site, he said. (http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/06/)

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« Reply #20 on: May 07, 2013, 09:49:08 AM »




The conqueror and ruler after whom Mr. Tamerlan Tsarnaev was obviously named.

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« Reply #21 on: May 07, 2013, 09:54:34 AM »
this conqueror and ruler must have been buried somewhere, right?

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« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2013, 09:54:53 AM »
"We have to bury this guy.  Whoever he is, in this country, we bury people." - Peter Stefan, funeral director

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« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2013, 09:57:01 AM »
"We have to bury this guy.  Whoever he is, in this country, we bury people." - Peter Stefan, funeral director

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« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2013, 10:03:55 AM »
they don't end up eating those birds, do they?  oh, my dalai lama... :(

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« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2013, 10:04:34 AM »
in the end, lorenz, i share the funeral director's view.  but it would be a different story if a relative of mine were one of the victims and i would be going to the same cemetery where tamerlan's remains rest.  where legalities may rule, the problem at its most basic is an emotional one.  that includes a community's memory of untold terror that was visited upon it.

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« Reply #26 on: May 07, 2013, 11:04:28 AM »
they don't end up eating those birds, do they?  oh, my dalai lama... :(

Hmm, that would be indirect cannibalism...

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« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2013, 12:17:46 PM »
I say that even this man, who is charged for mass murder, deserves compassion and a decent burial. May God have mercy on the souls of those who went onto their eternal rest. May God have mercy !


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Re: Your view on burying Tamerlan Tsarnaev?
« Reply #28 on: May 07, 2013, 01:13:03 PM »
Bitaw. Maayo mag Tibet...





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« Reply #29 on: May 07, 2013, 03:29:58 PM »
everyone deserves to be buried respectfully no matter what he/she did when he/she was still alive

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« Reply #30 on: May 07, 2013, 04:16:04 PM »
Kinsa may mobutcher bay Hubs? Unja kinsa puy modukduk sa mga bukog? Maghuna huna pa lamang ko bali na ang ahong kuto kuto.

Naa man tingali silay official bone cleavers ug bone grinders. Ang vultures mismo basin naay officially designated, naa puy kuyog baboy lang... ;D

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Re: Your view on burying Tamerlan Tsarnaev?
« Reply #31 on: May 07, 2013, 04:18:00 PM »
Pero sa pangutana, kung angay ba ilubong o dili, ahong ikasulti nga angay jud. The insensitivity of the people nga miingon dili ilubong maoy problema. Hehehe

Moingon man nga of course angay ilubong, ajaw lang sa amoang menteryo... :P

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Re: Your view on burying Tamerlan Tsarnaev?
« Reply #32 on: May 07, 2013, 04:29:49 PM »
Moingon man nga of course angay ilubong, ajaw lang sa amoang menteryo... :P

Hahahahaha. Dili pud puwede icremate ning tawhana kay Muslim man. Hhhhhmmmmm.

Isekreto na lamang kaha ni ug lubong gud aron dili makit-an. Say sa gabii ilubong. Unja butangan ug lapida nga way nakapangan aron way moreklamo. Kalooy pud sa ijahang kalag!

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Re: Your view on burying Tamerlan Tsarnaev?
« Reply #33 on: May 07, 2013, 04:34:21 PM »
Naa man tingali silay official bone cleavers ug bone grinders. Ang vultures mismo basin naay officially designated, naa puy kuyog baboy lang... ;D

Na, dili mada. Kay dihay sulti sa article nga ahong nabasahan, aron kono madali ang pagkahurot tadtaron ug ijabjab aron makalat. Unja ug mahurot na ang unod, kuhaon ang mga bukog unja galingon dajun butangan ug harina aron ipakaon na pud!

Ingon siguro ani ang vulture ug SIMO'T SARAP! :)

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« Reply #34 on: May 08, 2013, 12:47:43 PM »
everyone deserves to be buried respectfully no matter what he/she did when he/she was still alive

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Re: Your view on burying Tamerlan Tsarnaev?
« Reply #35 on: May 08, 2013, 12:53:43 PM »
"We have to bury this guy.  Whoever he is, in this country, we bury people." - Peter Stefan, funeral director

i agree with him

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Re: Your view on burying Tamerlan Tsarnaev?
« Reply #36 on: May 11, 2013, 09:51:31 AM »
Hahahahaha. Dili pud puwede icremate ning tawhana kay Muslim man. Hhhhhmmmmm.

Isekreto na lamang kaha ni ug lubong gud aron dili makit-an. Say sa gabii ilubong. Unja butangan ug lapida nga way nakapangan aron way moreklamo. Kalooy pud sa ijahang kalag!

Na, gisikreto na lamang jud ug lubong:

Public enraged over secret burial of Boston terrorist By Catholic Online (NEWS CONSORTIUM)

http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=50900

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