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Who will become the 2nd super power?
« on: December 23, 2008, 12:12:47 AM »
Who will become the 2nd super power?

India?
China?
Russia?
Brazil?
EU?

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Re: Who will become the 2nd super power?
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2008, 07:44:56 PM »
judging from a rather strange and thought-provoking material that i read not too long ago about superpowers, it is possible that it might be the E.U. which will become the next superpower. the article said that the third world war will indeed happen and that it will be fought between the U.S. and a german-led european coalition. it said that the third world war will be triggered by a crisis in the middle east.

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« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2008, 08:13:36 PM »
its china!!!! they gonna bombared the whole planet with products, especially food product (which contains poisonous substances or whatever) hehehe! we gonna die slowly!!!! hehehe!
thats chinese invation!   

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« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2008, 12:25:26 AM »
The Europeans will probably be the 2nd True Superpower.
Due to the shear size of The European Economy and population, and the education of Europeans. The European Armed Forces are, when combined, a force to be reckoned with.
In the Economic Tier-hood, it is the powerful and rich that will rule, not the poor.

China will not become a super power anytime soon. The Chinese Economy is dependent on the United States. Over 50% of Chinese products are sold in the United States and the largest investor in China is the USA. So long as the United States remains the economic giant, which will remain so for the forseable future, the United States will continue to dominate China.

How can China become a true super power when the United States 7th Fleet and the Pacific Fleet hovers over China? There is a permanent American base in Japan, In Korea, In Guam, and growing American presence in the Philippines and a permanent American presence in Taiwan. China's economy is dependent on global purchasing power. In the end, Her strength is Her weakness.

The United States is the Only Hyper Power. But, I do see the EU as a potential 2nd Super Power that could rival the American Empire.

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« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2008, 12:34:57 AM »
judging from a rather strange and thought-provoking material that i read not too long ago about superpowers, it is possible that it might be the E.U. which will become the next superpower. the article said that the third world war will indeed happen and that it will be fought between the U.S. and a german-led european coalition. it said that the third world war will be triggered by a crisis in the middle east.

Unrealistic and improbable. The economies of the United States and the EU are grossly intertwined. There is large American Military Base in Germany, which is permanent by treaty of Peace after Germany's defeat to the Combined Allied Forces, namely the United States, Great Britain and the former Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR).

The governments of EU nations work closely with the United States in terms of national security; and the rising governments in Europe are becoming more conservative in response to the rising islamic wave in Europe. Which, in the eyes of European Nations, is a threat to the authority and cultural purity of Europe. Germany, France, Great Britain, Italy, Spain, Greece, Poland, all of which are major EU nations are strategic partners with the United States and share similar security goals. As well as military partnerships. Any forseable rift between these powers with the United States that would result in a third world war is highly unlikely and improbable.

Right now, the common enemy is rising Islamofascism and Terrorism. Which has been the forefront of American and EU interests. Not each other.

Additionally, the American Mediterranean Fleeet, alone, is larger than all the combined naval fleets of EU Nations. As well as technologically several decades ahead of them. Any war with the United States, which I have said before is unlikely, would be a quick one. No one would use nuclear warheads, as America's policy is M.A.D (Mutually Assured Destruction). If even one nuclear warhead was launched to American Territory, the United States would launch its entire nuclear arsenal on the enemy and completely glass the enemy. Enough to send the entire planet into a second ice age. In a conventional war, Europe would fall to its knees to the American Eagle. The American Air Force is equal to no one. Our bombers would level all military bases and the advanced FA-22 Raptors would be unleashed to eradicate any 2nd and 3rd tier air fighters the EU nations have in their arsenal. A naval blockade would be unleashed by the US Navy, and our carriers, all 18 of them, would render Europe to economic collapse in such a blockade. American Naval Submarine Wolf Packs would ravage any surface fleets.

Europe would be in a defensive strategy, whereas the American would be in offensive.

An invasion of the United States is strategically impossible. Any force that would be needed to invade the United States would have to traverse the vast Atlantic Ocean, which would be subjected to the American Atlantic Fleet. No ships would even come close to shore. Therefore, eradicating any prospect of a land invasion of the United States. American Air Power, alone, would be enough to reduce Europe's fighting power. As Europe is congested and heavily urbanized. A strategic weakness, in the game of War.





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« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2008, 11:25:25 AM »
power now is shifting in the asia pacific region where in ancient time world power was in meditaranian sea shifted to the atlantic and into atlantic and pacific oceans. surely it will shift permanently to bohol sea. hehehe!

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Re: Who will become the 2nd super power?
« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2008, 12:23:06 PM »
as it was predicted by nostradamus...a mighty kingdom shall fall (america) and a new dinasty will rise (china).

in the long run...china will win!

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Re: Who will become the 2nd super power?
« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2008, 01:45:35 PM »
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« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2008, 03:01:05 PM »
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« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2008, 04:37:35 PM »
For a period of decades the U. S has been dominating the top list of super power in the globe, Russia was also on the list before but due to the fall of communism the United States reign, due to its slumping economy at present another great nation will likely to succeed, As mentioned China is considered as most likely to rise on top due to it's fastest economic growth not to mention to it's population which exceeded to more than 1 billion another bit is India, so the top contender all came from the asia.

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« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2008, 09:36:38 PM »
power now is shifting in the asia pacific region where in ancient time world power was in meditaranian sea shifted to the atlantic and into atlantic and pacific oceans. surely it will shift permanently to bohol sea. hehehe!

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I like your optimistic zeal. :)

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« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2008, 09:39:48 PM »
as it was predicted by nostradamus...a mighty kingdom shall fall (america) and a new dinasty will rise (china).

in the long run...china will win!

That prediction is deluded.

The mighty Kingdom that was spoken of was the British Empire, which controlled 1/4th of the World's Land Mass from the 17th century till the mid 20th century. Hence, Victoria's famous quote of: "The Sun Shall Never Set on the British Empire."

And the 'New Dynasty' that he talks of is America.
America is but a young baby in comparison to other nations. Only some 230 years old.

And America did usurp the power of Britain. Britain used to 'RULE THE SEAS' as the Royal Navy's motto declares, "Brittania, Rule the Waves". Since World War II, it has been the American Navy that has ruled the Ocean's Seas. The combined navies of the world do not even equal 1/3rd of the US Navy.

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How can China be a new Dynasty when China is the oldest of all nations? It is over 5000 years old. lol.



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« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2008, 11:12:16 PM »
america is indeed powerful eh, yet they cant do anything about the sept 11 attack. pathetic uncle sam.

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« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2008, 11:13:08 PM »
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« Reply #14 on: December 25, 2008, 12:45:34 AM »
The United States removed a dictator from power and has installed an American-friendly democracy in Iraq. The United States has removed the terrorist supporter Taliban from Afghanistan and has installed a democracy in that region of the world.

Since September 11, the United States has prevented further terrorist attacks from our soil and has been relentless in the war front.

Militarily, a success. Politically, has more to work on. :)




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« Reply #15 on: December 25, 2008, 07:28:40 PM »
During the vietnam war, those vietkongs kick every american's ass on the battlefield. The US forces were kicked out of the country by the North Vietnamese, with their tails between their legs. The vietnamese won because the US didnt know what they were getting into at the time and the vietnamese used guerilla tactics and made US pull out.





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« Reply #16 on: December 25, 2008, 08:14:10 PM »
eu ang superpower sa western side but sa atong side ang china gyod

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« Reply #17 on: December 25, 2008, 09:36:53 PM »
During the vietnam war, those vietkongs kick every american's ass on the battlefield. The US forces were kicked out of the country by the North Vietnamese, with their tails between their legs. The vietnamese won because the US didnt know what they were getting into at the time and the vietnamese used guerilla tactics and made US pull out.





That is historically false. Every single military combat the United States Armed Forces engaged the North Vietnamese, was a victory for the Americans. In air combat, we implemented conventional war policies, per se carpet bombing. And their air force, by the later stages of the war was reduced.

In the ground, do you even know about the infamous US Marines? The largest Vietnamese offensive, The Tet Offensive, was a wide-spread attack on all US bases and positions. The Tet offensive, wich unleashed all Viet Cong units and North Vietnamese troops was a tactical failure. They were all repulsed and massive numbers of their forces were neutralized. Their goal in overwhelming American defenses (US Marines, HOO RAAA) failed outright.

The United States pulled out of Vietnam not because we were loosing on the ground, on the contrary, 50,000 American dead does not compare to over 2 Million dead Vietnamese. Militarily we could have invaded North Vietnam, but politics prevented it so by the mounting Anti-War sentiments in the United States. It was the American people that wanted our troops to leave Vietnam. It was the US Military that did not. The United States pulled out not because of North Vietnamese overwhelming US defenses (which did not happen), but rather because of the South Vietnamese collapse and the demands of the American people to pull out.

Know the difference before you start posting ludicrous and crass information, which is historically flawed to begin with.

And Vietnam was a victory. As our goals was purported. Communism did not spread all over Asia as what we feared in the so called Domino Effect. On the contrary, the fall of Saigon only strengthened American presence in SE Asia as well as strengthened the governments in the region to root out Communist forces. The United States entered Vietnam to prevent further Communist spread in South East Asia, and the war itself was a success in our favor. One, it strengthened the cooperation between the US and governments in Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, India, etc to work together in routing out communist revolutions in said countries. America's involvement developed a strategic partnership with said countries that still exists today. Military partnership.

The Philippines' own Marcos Administration send thousands of Philippine troops to Vietnam to engage the Vietnamese as well, and his proven bravery is recorded in History.

In the trends of Geopolitical strategy and interests, all came to our favor. The United States always views things and all its actions in Long-Term interests. It might not seem 'popular' in the present, but history has always vindicated our actions.



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« Reply #18 on: December 25, 2008, 09:53:10 PM »
During the vietnam war, those vietkongs kick every american's ass on the battlefield. The US forces were kicked out of the country by the North Vietnamese, with their tails between their legs. The vietnamese won because the US didnt know what they were getting into at the time and the vietnamese used guerilla tactics and made US pull out.





The United States, obviously, knew what they were going into because they experienced guerilla warefare. They were the ones that invented guerilla warefare, in modern perspective.

It was the American guerillas that fought the British in our war of independence some 2 centuries prior. Hit and Run tactics, my dear Watson. :)

Secondarily,
The United States experienced Asian Guerilla-War directly in the late 19th century. It was called the Philippine-American War. History has judged that America's war in the Philippines was the United States' first taste of an Asian Guerilla War.

One difference here, Watson, The Philippines wasn't getting and recieving munitions and ammunitions and weaponry on a daily basis from the Russians vis-a-vis the Chinese as in the case of North Vietnam.

It's called fighting with one hand in your back.

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« Reply #19 on: December 25, 2008, 11:27:53 PM »
According to whom? what is written on the books isnt always right. Vietnam won. By 1975, the US was completely defeated and driven out in humiliation with people trying to hang on to the helicopters as they lifted off from the US Embassy.

Anyone who tells you otherwise is a revisionist trying to rewrite history for some personal purpose.

Famous photo of the fall of Saigon showing the pushing away of desperate Vietnamese who had supported the US in the lost war.


The North Vietnamese/Vietcong won because they got what they wanted. The US left the country.

The North Vietnamese, and their supporters won. While the US and allies such as Australia could be said to have won every battle or major engagement, the end effect is that of the surgeon who says "the operation was a success but the patient died".

Go to Viet Nam today and there is still a lingering suspicion of America and Americans, though some of it is indeed seeded by government propaganda. The US did not actually want peace: Mcc Namara said as much: they wanted victory on their terms and believed it would create peace. The US were not the first nation to think this, and get it wrong: fighting and ideology is very hard, and fighting it allegedly on behalf of others, is even harder. Today's experiences in Iraq are the same: one one hand the powers that be tout that they are fighting to give the average Iraqi "democracy and freedom" and on the other hand these same Iraqi's see US troops treat them with distain and suspicion in their own country and all the while ensuring that the US profits from re-building and securing Iraqi resources.

Viet Nam was a little different, being fought to defeat an opposing ideology, rather than gain resources, but the effect was the same: military might, in terms of weapons and destructive power loses out to those who fight for their beliefs, homes and without a traditional battlefield arangement with most civilians out of the way.

There will always be revisionism of history and those who will use different measures to assess who won or lost. It is up to the critical and sceptical mind to judge for themselves, and not necessarily rely on what the media, government or military say.

The war was lost on several fronts:

1. The VC were able to garner support in the South that made US intelligence available to them in many instances.

2. Ideologically the US believed that the number of VC dead would destroy their belief. This has not happened elsewhere, and failed here too.

3. At home, the US public were watching on television, much of it was in colour, adding to the impact. As to whether anti-war demonstrators were unpatriotic, I will not debate except to say that America prides itself on diversity of views and speech, and you cannot co-opt the language of patriotism to support an unpopular war.


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« Reply #20 on: December 25, 2008, 11:57:49 PM »
Ex US Sec Mcnamara, admitted that this war was morally wrong. Will we hear the same statement about the present adventure of the US forces in Afgahnistan and Iraq? It has to be seen,for the mean time numbers of lives are lost everyday, undocumented.

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« Reply #21 on: December 26, 2008, 03:35:14 AM »
being a super power doesnt mean it has to be invulnerable.

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« Reply #22 on: December 26, 2008, 07:16:27 PM »
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« Reply #24 on: December 27, 2008, 03:03:54 AM »
According to whom? what is written on the books isnt always right. Vietnam won. By 1975, the US was completely defeated and driven out in humiliation with people trying to hang on to the helicopters as they lifted off from the US Embassy.

Anyone who tells you otherwise is a revisionist trying to rewrite history for some personal purpose.

Famous photo of the fall of Saigon showing the pushing away of desperate Vietnamese who had supported the US in the lost war.


The North Vietnamese/Vietcong won because they got what they wanted. The US left the country.

The North Vietnamese, and their supporters won. While the US and allies such as Australia could be said to have won every battle or major engagement, the end effect is that of the surgeon who says "the operation was a success but the patient died".

Go to Viet Nam today and there is still a lingering suspicion of America and Americans, though some of it is indeed seeded by government propaganda. The US did not actually want peace: Mcc Namara said as much: they wanted victory on their terms and believed it would create peace. The US were not the first nation to think this, and get it wrong: fighting and ideology is very hard, and fighting it allegedly on behalf of others, is even harder. Today's experiences in Iraq are the same: one one hand the powers that be tout that they are fighting to give the average Iraqi "democracy and freedom" and on the other hand these same Iraqi's see US troops treat them with distain and suspicion in their own country and all the while ensuring that the US profits from re-building and securing Iraqi resources.

Viet Nam was a little different, being fought to defeat an opposing ideology, rather than gain resources, but the effect was the same: military might, in terms of weapons and destructive power loses out to those who fight for their beliefs, homes and without a traditional battlefield arangement with most civilians out of the way.

There will always be revisionism of history and those who will use different measures to assess who won or lost. It is up to the critical and sceptical mind to judge for themselves, and not necessarily rely on what the media, government or military say.

The war was lost on several fronts:

1. The VC were able to garner support in the South that made US intelligence available to them in many instances.

2. Ideologically the US believed that the number of VC dead would destroy their belief. This has not happened elsewhere, and failed here too.

3. At home, the US public were watching on television, much of it was in colour, adding to the impact. As to whether anti-war demonstrators were unpatriotic, I will not debate except to say that America prides itself on diversity of views and speech, and you cannot co-opt the language of patriotism to support an unpopular war.


The wider and much larger geopolitical consequence of American involvement--prevention of Communist Domino Theory and instability-- is the reasons for entering the theatre --and was was achieved. The United States Armed Forces, obviously, remained undefeated in this conflict. Unlike the French, who suffered defeat in Bien Dien Phu some 2 decades earlier, facilitating their surrender and brokering of peace to divide the former French colony into two nations.

The United States, as history has indicated, (and I would suggest you read major Vietnamese War History books or text for that matter to understand the impregnability of American military dominance in the region).

The goals of entering the conflict was secured: Namely the prevention of further Communist take over of surrounding South East Asian nations as was feared in the Domino Theory. Impeccable to this equation was the entrenched American interest and relationship with Manila, Bangkok as well as with Kuala Lumpur throughout the 60s-80s. We never lost the war because the United States never issued a declaration of war against Vietnam. Our presence in South Vietnam was for retractory measures, in regards to the prevention of further Communist expansion in SE Asia. Which, as history has declared, has been successful.


History has vindicated America's involvement. And in the end, the Leninist style of communism that was set in place by Ho Chi Minh, ultimately, has adopted the capitalist tendencies of South Vietnam. Thereby adopting the very so called 'American Imperialistic Capitalism', which the north blamed the South of implementing. Ironic and hypocritical that the present-Communist Vietnam has adopted all the policies of the South. The very reasons they waged war with South Vietnam, in the first place.

I highly suggest you read 'Animal Farm' by G. Orwell. Because it is rather complementary.


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Re: Who will become the 2nd super power?
« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2008, 03:12:10 AM »
So in the longterm manifests of geopolitical alignment, it is Communist Vietnam that has abandoned and betrayed the original revolutionary measures that was set in place and was used to legitimize conflict with South Vietnam. The adoption of capitalism and brokering of peace as well as courting American economic trade and relationship is grossly antagonistic of purist communist idealism that was emboldened by Ho Chi Minh and the likes of his party.

In the end, the United States' presence and involvement in the region stabalized the region and quelled the Communist expansionist threat. Leading to increased anti-communist campaigns by the surrounding nations in SE Asia per se in the Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, India, Bangladesh, and Myanmar.

That is the power of joint politico-military-economic power of a Super Power.

The same shall be ushered in our involvement in Iraq. In the present, it isn't a popular war, however, neither was Vietnam. And in the end, history will vindicate our involvement.

 

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Re: Who will become the 2nd super power?
« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2008, 04:48:31 PM »
Lor, vietnam war is as same old story since biblical times karon modern missile sauna tirador. Pero miingon si slackware, barang way dag-anan na sila. Tama, practice tag barang aron mahimo ang Bohol ug super power! hehehhe!

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Re: Who will become the 2nd super power?
« Reply #27 on: January 03, 2009, 10:47:37 AM »
Realistically, practically and logistically,

To become a superpower requires economic precedence, ample cultural influence, and a powerful/formidable military force. There is only one organization in the world, aside from the United States, than can even qualify for Superpowerdom.

China and India do not qualify just as yet as a great majority of their population are living below the poverty line, and an economy that is still dependent on world consumption--observing their manufactural-based assets. Signifying their dependence to the larger purchasing power of the developed nations.

That is why they are out of the picture, for the time being.

The European Union, realistically, is what qualifies as a possible 2nd Super Power in this century. The combined Armed Forces of EU nations are lethal and can even rival the United States'. The economy of the EU nations, when combined, is larger than that of the American Economic Machine. And on a populatory scale, The EU's population is greater than that of the United States.

I see a growing relationship between the United States of America with the formidable European Union.

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Re: Who will become the 2nd super power?
« Reply #28 on: January 03, 2009, 11:07:47 AM »
To address Buwad,

The Philippines' position in geopolitics is with that of the United States. The spirit of independence and separation from American Military Sphere as witnessed in the Post-Marcosian Epoch, beginning with the Corazonian Presidency highlighted such feelings--seen in the abandonment of Clark Air Force Base and Subic Bay and the Philippine Senate's refusal to extend the treaty with the United States.

History and political prudence has judged that an absence from American presence in the Philippines has only led to political and territorial instability. Following the Marcosian Epoch, the nation has been rife with military coup attempts, jihadist islamofascist terrorism, as well as the continuation of the Communist NPA terrorists.

When the United States and the Philippines maintained a healthy relationship as seen in the mid 20th century, the combined forces of the Philippines and the United States were able to single-handedly crush and end the Hukbalahap War.

But as history has dictated, the relationship between Manila and Washington did not end in the Corazonian Presidency. (Which in my opinion was a failed one).

Rather, to the contrary of Corazon Aquino's dictates, the United States has re-established its military alliance-ship with The Philippines in its military base in Basilan and sprouting bases in Mindanao as well as its 'Visiting Forces Agreement' with Manila.

The United States will never allow the Philippines to fall into enemy hands, as it has historical and cultural and even social importance to the United States. Over 2.5 Million American Citizens are of Filipino decent. The state of Hawaii is primarily of Filipino decent or mixed. The great state of California has over 1 Million Filipinos.

The Philippines is important to American History. As the United States launched the largest Naval Invasion in Human History to re-conquer the Philippine Islands from 300,000 entrenched Japanese soldiers. The United States sacrificed over 50,000 of its sons to retake the Philippines.

To think that the United States will allow the Philippines to fall to the sway of Communist China is unlikely.

The Philippines sings victory with the United States and will remain its strategic Ally.

The Philippines, by shear association with the United States, has a Nuclear Umbrella. No nation will invade the Philippines for fear of an American Response. The very same nation that left Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany smoldering in its wake.



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Re: Who will become the 2nd super power?
« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2009, 02:05:57 PM »
The one who controls the media, internet and communication will become the super power. All nation will worship the choosen one who has the power to pull the plug.

Their only threat, the "Hacker".

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Re: Who will become the 2nd super power?
« Reply #30 on: January 06, 2009, 01:02:38 PM »
thanks, macky now i know im a super power! hehehe!

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Re: Who will become the 2nd super power?
« Reply #31 on: January 06, 2009, 01:05:03 PM »
TERRORISTS....and all are scared of them...that's Super Power!!!

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