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« Reply #20 on: December 25, 2008, 11:57:49 PM »
Ex US Sec Mcnamara, admitted that this war was morally wrong. Will we hear the same statement about the present adventure of the US forces in Afgahnistan and Iraq? It has to be seen,for the mean time numbers of lives are lost everyday, undocumented.

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« Reply #21 on: December 26, 2008, 03:35:14 AM »
being a super power doesnt mean it has to be invulnerable.
"All that is needed for evil to succeed is, that decent human beings doing nothing". (Edmund Burke)


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« Reply #22 on: December 26, 2008, 07:16:27 PM »
Children of God  
Peace truly sets us free to be the people God has created us to be. Before peace can bond nations, it must dwell in the hearts and lives of the citizens of the world, binding us together as children of God. 

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« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2008, 12:07:38 AM »
Mokanta nalang ta ani ug," I love my own my native land!"...binubuhat sariling banko...

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« Reply #24 on: December 27, 2008, 03:03:54 AM »
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The North Vietnamese/Vietcong won because they got what they wanted. The US left the country.

The North Vietnamese, and their supporters won. While the US and allies such as Australia could be said to have won every battle or major engagement, the end effect is that of the surgeon who says "the operation was a success but the patient died".

Go to Viet Nam today and there is still a lingering suspicion of America and Americans, though some of it is indeed seeded by government propaganda. The US did not actually want peace: Mcc Namara said as much: they wanted victory on their terms and believed it would create peace. The US were not the first nation to think this, and get it wrong: fighting and ideology is very hard, and fighting it allegedly on behalf of others, is even harder. Today's experiences in Iraq are the same: one one hand the powers that be tout that they are fighting to give the average Iraqi "democracy and freedom" and on the other hand these same Iraqi's see US troops treat them with distain and suspicion in their own country and all the while ensuring that the US profits from re-building and securing Iraqi resources.

Viet Nam was a little different, being fought to defeat an opposing ideology, rather than gain resources, but the effect was the same: military might, in terms of weapons and destructive power loses out to those who fight for their beliefs, homes and without a traditional battlefield arangement with most civilians out of the way.

There will always be revisionism of history and those who will use different measures to assess who won or lost. It is up to the critical and sceptical mind to judge for themselves, and not necessarily rely on what the media, government or military say.

The war was lost on several fronts:

1. The VC were able to garner support in the South that made US intelligence available to them in many instances.

2. Ideologically the US believed that the number of VC dead would destroy their belief. This has not happened elsewhere, and failed here too.

3. At home, the US public were watching on television, much of it was in colour, adding to the impact. As to whether anti-war demonstrators were unpatriotic, I will not debate except to say that America prides itself on diversity of views and speech, and you cannot co-opt the language of patriotism to support an unpopular war.


The wider and much larger geopolitical consequence of American involvement--prevention of Communist Domino Theory and instability-- is the reasons for entering the theatre --and was was achieved. The United States Armed Forces, obviously, remained undefeated in this conflict. Unlike the French, who suffered defeat in Bien Dien Phu some 2 decades earlier, facilitating their surrender and brokering of peace to divide the former French colony into two nations.

The United States, as history has indicated, (and I would suggest you read major Vietnamese War History books or text for that matter to understand the impregnability of American military dominance in the region).

The goals of entering the conflict was secured: Namely the prevention of further Communist take over of surrounding South East Asian nations as was feared in the Domino Theory. Impeccable to this equation was the entrenched American interest and relationship with Manila, Bangkok as well as with Kuala Lumpur throughout the 60s-80s. We never lost the war because the United States never issued a declaration of war against Vietnam. Our presence in South Vietnam was for retractory measures, in regards to the prevention of further Communist expansion in SE Asia. Which, as history has declared, has been successful.


History has vindicated America's involvement. And in the end, the Leninist style of communism that was set in place by Ho Chi Minh, ultimately, has adopted the capitalist tendencies of South Vietnam. Thereby adopting the very so called 'American Imperialistic Capitalism', which the north blamed the South of implementing. Ironic and hypocritical that the present-Communist Vietnam has adopted all the policies of the South. The very reasons they waged war with South Vietnam, in the first place.

I highly suggest you read 'Animal Farm' by G. Orwell. Because it is rather complementary.


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« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2008, 03:12:10 AM »
So in the longterm manifests of geopolitical alignment, it is Communist Vietnam that has abandoned and betrayed the original revolutionary measures that was set in place and was used to legitimize conflict with South Vietnam. The adoption of capitalism and brokering of peace as well as courting American economic trade and relationship is grossly antagonistic of purist communist idealism that was emboldened by Ho Chi Minh and the likes of his party.

In the end, the United States' presence and involvement in the region stabalized the region and quelled the Communist expansionist threat. Leading to increased anti-communist campaigns by the surrounding nations in SE Asia per se in the Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, India, Bangladesh, and Myanmar.

That is the power of joint politico-military-economic power of a Super Power.

The same shall be ushered in our involvement in Iraq. In the present, it isn't a popular war, however, neither was Vietnam. And in the end, history will vindicate our involvement.

 

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« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2008, 04:48:31 PM »
Lor, vietnam war is as same old story since biblical times karon modern missile sauna tirador. Pero miingon si slackware, barang way dag-anan na sila. Tama, practice tag barang aron mahimo ang Bohol ug super power! hehehhe!
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« Reply #27 on: January 03, 2009, 10:47:37 AM »
Realistically, practically and logistically,

To become a superpower requires economic precedence, ample cultural influence, and a powerful/formidable military force. There is only one organization in the world, aside from the United States, than can even qualify for Superpowerdom.

China and India do not qualify just as yet as a great majority of their population are living below the poverty line, and an economy that is still dependent on world consumption--observing their manufactural-based assets. Signifying their dependence to the larger purchasing power of the developed nations.

That is why they are out of the picture, for the time being.

The European Union, realistically, is what qualifies as a possible 2nd Super Power in this century. The combined Armed Forces of EU nations are lethal and can even rival the United States'. The economy of the EU nations, when combined, is larger than that of the American Economic Machine. And on a populatory scale, The EU's population is greater than that of the United States.

I see a growing relationship between the United States of America with the formidable European Union.


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« Reply #28 on: January 03, 2009, 11:07:47 AM »
To address Buwad,

The Philippines' position in geopolitics is with that of the United States. The spirit of independence and separation from American Military Sphere as witnessed in the Post-Marcosian Epoch, beginning with the Corazonian Presidency highlighted such feelings--seen in the abandonment of Clark Air Force Base and Subic Bay and the Philippine Senate's refusal to extend the treaty with the United States.

History and political prudence has judged that an absence from American presence in the Philippines has only led to political and territorial instability. Following the Marcosian Epoch, the nation has been rife with military coup attempts, jihadist islamofascist terrorism, as well as the continuation of the Communist NPA terrorists.

When the United States and the Philippines maintained a healthy relationship as seen in the mid 20th century, the combined forces of the Philippines and the United States were able to single-handedly crush and end the Hukbalahap War.

But as history has dictated, the relationship between Manila and Washington did not end in the Corazonian Presidency. (Which in my opinion was a failed one).

Rather, to the contrary of Corazon Aquino's dictates, the United States has re-established its military alliance-ship with The Philippines in its military base in Basilan and sprouting bases in Mindanao as well as its 'Visiting Forces Agreement' with Manila.

The United States will never allow the Philippines to fall into enemy hands, as it has historical and cultural and even social importance to the United States. Over 2.5 Million American Citizens are of Filipino decent. The state of Hawaii is primarily of Filipino decent or mixed. The great state of California has over 1 Million Filipinos.

The Philippines is important to American History. As the United States launched the largest Naval Invasion in Human History to re-conquer the Philippine Islands from 300,000 entrenched Japanese soldiers. The United States sacrificed over 50,000 of its sons to retake the Philippines.

To think that the United States will allow the Philippines to fall to the sway of Communist China is unlikely.

The Philippines sings victory with the United States and will remain its strategic Ally.

The Philippines, by shear association with the United States, has a Nuclear Umbrella. No nation will invade the Philippines for fear of an American Response. The very same nation that left Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany smoldering in its wake.


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« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2009, 02:05:57 PM »
The one who controls the media, internet and communication will become the super power. All nation will worship the choosen one who has the power to pull the plug.

Their only threat, the "Hacker".
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« Reply #30 on: January 06, 2009, 01:02:38 PM »
thanks, macky now i know im a super power! hehehe!

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TERRORISTS....and all are scared of them...that's Super Power!!!
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