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« Reply #40 on: January 29, 2008, 06:54:16 PM »
Many things in this old world

Are so corrupt today

With prisons overflowing

And children gone astray.



The word of  is quite taboo

It brings our country shame

To seek Him in a public place

We dare not speak His name.



He won’t be found in classrooms

It would be found, a sin

To let our small ones gather round

And offer praise to Him.



They’ve taken God from every book

And from our government

The laws that made our country strong

Are crooked, vile and bent.



I only pray, it’s not too late

To turn it all around

Etch the Bible in the hearts

Of everyone in town.



For if we wait and tarry on

And go about our way

God will finally shout “enough”

The trumpet then will play.



We will not find sweet mercy

When we look to Him for grace

We will not see contentment

When we gaze upon His face.



We’ll know His wrath and fury

With our backs against the wall

He’ll say, “I never knew you.”

The curtain then will fall.


GOD BLESS AMERICA

Do not vote for OBAMA

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« Reply #41 on: January 30, 2008, 12:13:34 PM »
It's sad to know that you thought highly of me before. And now you think differently of me. I just posted this forwarded email here in order to present another side of Obama. There's nothing I can do to convince you Obama fans not to vote for Obama. This email is presented to those voters who are still undecided. Because if you think about it, there's a tinge of truth in this forwarded email. I dont like Hillary either. Long ago I have already learned about the machinations to put Hillary in power. In fact, before the incident on Sept. 11, the network I have in financial circles know what was planned. It came to pass, and now here is another danger confronting America. So as a man who loves this country, I am doing what little I can. I think you Obama fans also know that Oprah Winfrey is campaigning hard for your hero. Poor Oprah is very much in love with Barack. Now, where is the morality in this when O just let Op do her thing with his wife looking on.
It's sad to know that you believe that bs and that you claimed to have checked it out in snoops.com and found it factual. I hate to burst your bubble, but here is the quote from snopes.com minus the bs you posted:

Who Is Barack Obama?


Claim:   Illinois senator Barack Obama is a "radical Muslim" who "will not recite the Pledge of Allegiance."

Status:   False.

Example:   [Collected via e-mail, January 2008]
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Variations:   One version of the e-mail in circulation claims "We were told this was checked out on 'snopes.com'. It is factual. Check for yourself." and includes a link to this web site. It's our guess that whoever included that bit was counting on folks to not check, as our article says the opposite: that the polemic is not factual but rather is false.

Origins:   Barack Obama, 45, served as an Illinois state senator for several years, and in 2004 he won a seat representing that state in the U.S. Senate. His keynote address before the Democratic National Convention in June 2004 brought him national prominence, and he is currently one of the leading contenders for the nomination to represent the Democratic Party in the 2008 presidential election.

Barack Obama has an unusual and interesting background, which the above-quoted piece draws on to paint him as a dangerous, camouflaged radical Muslim. Much of the information presented therein about his background is distorted and exaggerated, however, and no evidence supports a claim that Obama is currently, or ever has been, a Muslim (radical or otherwise).

Claim:   Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black MUSLIM from Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya and Ann Dunh am, a white ATHEIST from Wichita, Kansas. Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii.

Barack Hussein Obama (Senator Obama's father) was born on the shores of Lake Victoria in Alego, Kenya. He met and married an American woman, Ann Dunham of Wichita, Kansas, while they were both attending the University of Hawaii. Their son, also named Barack Hussein Obama was born on 4 August 1961 at the Queen's Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii.

Although the elder Obama was raised as a Muslim, no evidence supports the claim that he was ever a "radical Muslim," and Senator Obama's family histories note that his father was an atheist or agnostic (i.e., no longer a practicing Muslim) by the time he married the younger Obama's mother. Of his mother's religious views, Senator Obama wrote:
For my mother, organized religion too often dressed up closed-mindedness in the garb of piety, cruelty and oppression in the cloak of righteousness.

This isn't to say that she provided me with no religious instruction. In her mind, a working knowledge of the world's great religions was a necessary part of any well-rounded education. In our household the Bible, the Koran, and the Bhagavad Gita sat on the shelf alongside books of Greek and Norse and African mythology. On Easter or Christmas Day my mother might drag me to church, just as she dragged me to the Buddhist temple, the chinese New Year celebration, the Shinto shrine, and ancient Hawaiian burial sites. But I was made to understand that such religious samplings required no sustained commitment on my part. Religion was an expression of human culture, she would explain, not its wellspring, just one of the many ways — and not necessarily the best way — that man attempted to control the unknowable and understand the deeper truths about our lives.

In sum, my mother viewed religion through the eyes of the anthropologist she would become; it was a phenomenon to be treated with a suitable respect, but with a suitable detachment as well.

Claim:   When Obama was two years old, his parents divorced. His father returned to Kenya . His mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a RADICAL Muslim from Indonesia. When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocated to Indonesia . Obama attended a MUSLIM school in Jakarta . He also spent two years in a Catholic school.

Barack Obama's parents divorced when he was two years old, his father moving to Connecticut to continue his education before returning to Kenya. When the younger Obama was six years old, his mother married again, this time to Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian oil manager. Barack and his mother moved to Jakarta, Indonesia, where Obama spent 4-5 years attending both Muslim and Catholic schools before his mother sent him back to the United States to live with his maternal grandmother. The school Barack Obama attended in Indonesia was "Muslim" primarily in the sense that the preponderance of its student body was Muslim (because Indonesia is a predominantly Muslim country), but both the Muslim and Catholic schools he attended in Indonesia offered a few hours of religious instruction each week.

In his 2006 book, The Audacity of Hope, Obama elaborated on his early schooling, explaining that he attended both Catholic and Muslim schools in Indonesia — not out of any particular religious affiliation, but because his mother wanted him to obtain the best education possible under the circumstances:
During the five years that we would live with my stepfather in Indonesia, I was sent first to a neighborhood Catholic school and then to a predominantly Muslim school; in both cases, my mother was less concerned with me learning the catechism or puzzling out the meaning of the muezzin's call to evening prayer than she was with whether I was properly learning my multiplication tables.

Claim:   Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim. He is quick to point out that, "He was once a Muslim, but that he also attended Catholic school." Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that he is not a radical.

Barack Obama never stated that he "was once a Muslim" (radical or otherwise), so his "handlers" have nothing to "conceal." Obama communications director Robert Gibbs noted that "Senator Obama has never been a Muslim. As a six-year-old in Catholic school, he studied the catechism." Barack Obama has been associated with the United Church of Christ since the mid-1980s, describes himself as a Christian, and says that he is "rooted in the Christian tradition."

Claim:   Obama's introduction to Islam came via his father, and this influence was temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya soon after the divorce, and never again had any direct influence over his son's education.

As noted above, Barack Obama's parents divorced when he was only two years old, and his father then moved thousands of miles away, from Hawaii to Connecticut, so he couldn't have received much of an "introduction to Islam" from his (biological) father:
My father was almost entirely absent from my childhood, having been divorced from my mother when I was two years old.

At the time of his death, my father remained a myth to me, both more and less than a man. He had left Hawaii back in 1963, when I was only two years old, so that as a child I knew him only through the stories that my mother and grandparents told.
(Barack's only other childhood contact with his father occurred when he was eleven years old, and his father came to visit Hawaii for a month at Christmastime. The elder Obama died when Barack Jr. was twenty-one years old.)

Claim:   Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham, introduced his stepson to Islam. Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school in Jakarta. Wahabism is the RADICAL teaching that is followed by the Muslim terrorists who are now waging Jihad against the western world.

The claim that Obama attended a radical Wahabbist school in Indonesia in the mid-1960s is exceedingly far-fetched, given that:
The large Indonesian community resident in Mecca was a medium through which knowledge about Wahhabism reached Indonesia, but the community itself appears to have remained virtually immune to Wahhabi influences. In reality there was little direct influence of Wahhabism on Indonesian reformist thought until the 1970s.
Insight magazine claimed in a January 2007 article that Barack Obama spent at least four years attending what is variously described as a "madrassa," a "radical Muslim religious school," or a "Muslim seminary" in Indonesia, but CNN has more recently reported that its own investigation found those claims to be false:
[R]eporting by CNN in Jakarta, Indonesia and Washington, D.C., shows the allegations that Obama attended a madrassa to be false. CNN dispatched Senior International Correspondent John Vause to Jakarta to investigate.

He visited the Basuki school, which Obama attended from 1969 to 1971.

"This is a public school. We don't focus on religion," Hardi Priyono, deputy headmaster of the Basuki school, told Vause. "In our daily lives, we try to respect religion, but we don't give preferential treatment."

Vause reported he saw boys and girls dressed in neat school uniforms playing outside the school, while teachers were dressed in Western-style clothes.

"I came here to Barack Obama's elementary school in Jakarta looking for what some are calling an Islamic madrassa ... like the ones that teach hate and violence in Pakistan and Afghanistan," Vause said on the 'Situation Room.' "I've been to those madrassas in Pakistan ... this school is nothing like that."

Vause also interviewed one of Obama's Basuki classmates, Bandug Winadijanto, who claims that not a lot has changed at the school since the two men were pupils. Insight reported that Obama's political opponents believed the school promoted Wahhabism, a fundamentalist form of Islam, "and are seeking to prove it."

"It's not (an) Islamic school. It's general," Winadijanto said. "There is a lot of Christians, Buddhists, also Confucian. ... So that's a mixed school."
The Associated Press reported similarly:
A spokesman for Indonesia's Ministry of Religious Affairs said claims that Obama studied at an Islamic school are groundless.

"SDN Menteng 1 is a public primary school that is open to people of all faiths," said the spokesman, Sutopo, who goes by only one name. "Moreover, he studied earlier at Fransiskus Assisi, which is clearly a Catholic school."

Obama later transferred to SDN Menteng 1 the elite, secular elementary school at the center of the controversy. The school is public but is very competitive and has exceptionally high standards. It is located in one of the most affluent parts of Jakarta and attracts mostly middle- to upper-class students, among them several of former dictator Suharto's grandchildren.

Indonesia is home to several of the most radical Islamic schools in Southeast Asia, some with alleged terrorist links. But Akmad Solichin [the vice principal at SDN Menteng 1], who proudly pointed to a photo of a young Barry Obama, as he was known, said his school is not one of them.
Moreover, a statement released by the Obama campaign affirmed that:
In the past week, many of you have read a now thoroughly-debunked story by Insight Magazine, owned by the Washington Times, which cites unnamed sources close to a political campaign that claim Senator Obama was enrolled for "at least four years" in an Indonesian "Madrassa". The article says the "sources" believe the Madrassa was "espousing Wahhabism," a form of radical Islam.

All of the claims about Senator Obama’s faith and education raised in the Insight Magazine story and repeated on Fox News are false. Senator Obama was raised in a secular household in Indonesia by his stepfather and mother. Obama’s stepfather worked for a U.S. oil company, and sent his stepson to two years of Catholic school, as well as two years of public school.

To be clear, Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian who attends the United Church of Christ in Chicago. Furthermore, the Indonesian school Obama attended in Jakarta is a public school that is not and never has been a Madrassa.

Claim:   Since it is politically expedient to be a CHRISTIAN when seeking major public office in the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim background.

As noted above, Barack Obama describes himself as "a Christian," says that he is "rooted in the Christian tradition," and his association with the United Church of Christ began over twenty years ago, long before he contemplated a political career. (Obama was first elected to the Illinois state senate in 1996, but he has been involved with the United Church of Christ since the mid-1980s.) The beginnings of Obama's relationship with the church were described in an April 2004 Chicago Sun-Times article:
Obama is unapologetic in saying he has a "personal relationship with Jesus Christ." As a sign of that relationship, he says, he walked down the aisle of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ in response to the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's altar call one Sunday morning about 16 years ago.

The politician could have ended his spiritual tale right there, at the point some people might assume his life changed, when he got "saved," transformed, washed in the blood. But Obama wants to clarify what truly happened.

"It wasn't an epiphany," he says of that public profession of faith. "It was much more of a gradual process for me. I know there are some people who fall out. Which is wonderful. God bless them ... I think it was just a moment to certify or publicly affirm a growing faith in me."

These days, he says, he attends the 11 a.m. Sunday service at Trinity in the Brainerd neighborhood every week — or at least as many weeks as he is able. His pastor, Wright, has become a close confidant.

So how did he become a churchgoer?

It began in 1985, when he came to Chicago as a $13,000-a-year community organizer, working with a number of African-American churches in the Roseland, West Pullman and Altgeld Gardens neighborhoods that were trying to deal with the devastation caused by shuttered steel plants.

"I started working with both the ministers and the lay people in these churches on issues like creating job-training programs, or after-school programs for youth, or making sure that city services were fairly allocated to underserved communities," he says. "And it was in those places where I think what had been more of an intellectual view of religion deepened.

"I became much more familiar with the ongoing tradition of the historic black church and its importance in the community. And the power of that culture to give people strength in very difficult circumstances, and the power of that church to give people courage against great odds. And it moved me deeply."

Claim:   ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office he DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the Koran.

This statement is completely false. It is a mistaken reference to a different politician, Minnesota congressman Keith Ellison, not Barack Obama.

Claim:   Barack Hussein Obama will NOT recite the Pledge of Allegiance nor will he show any reverence for our flag. While others place their hands over their hearts, Obama turns his back to the flag and slouches.

Senator Obama drew some criticism over a photograph that showed him standing without his hand over his heart during the playing of the U.S. national anthem, but the claim that he "will NOT recite the Pledge of Allegiance" is false.

During the Democratic candidates' debate on 15 January 2008, Senator Obama directly refuted the three primary rumors about him that are circulating via e-mail: that he is a Muslim, that he was sworn in to Congress on the Quran, and that he refuses to say the Pledge of Allegiance:


Additional information:
   
  Debunked Insight Magazine and Fox News Smear Campaign
  (U.S. Senator Barack Obama)
Last updated:   15 January 2008


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« Reply #42 on: January 30, 2008, 12:16:55 PM »
Mr. Tabaco, great post.


PS. I personally am disgusted by these filthy emails that do nothing but propagate wretched bipartisan attacks on candidates; I delete such emails.

PPS. I love your signature quote.


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« Reply #43 on: January 30, 2008, 12:50:36 PM »
Mr. Tabaco, great post.

PS. I personally am disgusted by these filthy emails that do nothing but propagate wretched bipartisan attacks on candidates; I delete such emails.

PPS. I love your signature quote.

Warm Regards,
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Bran...Thanx! Even tho i am an old fart, you can call me Joey if you'd like ;D It's too bad we can't get Mike or who ever are the moderators in this thread to delete that post. Censoring bs is not a violation of anyones rights.

I actually stole that quote from a midwest Fil Am org's motto that said "The Philippines is Our Heritage - America is Our Home". Since it sounded cool to me, I adopted it for use here...joey

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« Reply #44 on: January 30, 2008, 01:54:12 PM »
Thank you, Sgt. Joey for your post.  I have to admit I didn't feel good reacting the way I did to Fortune's email.  You see, I kept on receiving that forwarded email and when I asked the senders if they actually checked snopes as they claimed they did, all I got is that, "Oh, I just forwarded that..."  How irresponsible to send email without understanding the contents especially when it comes to character assasination.

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« Reply #45 on: January 30, 2008, 01:54:46 PM »
Hahaha, its brilliant and original, Mr. Tabaco.



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« Reply #46 on: January 30, 2008, 02:59:22 PM »
Thank you, Sgt. Joey for your post.  I have to admit I didn't feel good reacting the way I did to Fortune's email.  You see, I kept on receiving that forwarded email and when I asked the senders if they actually checked snopes as they claimed they did, all I got is that, "Oh, I just forwarded that..."  How irresponsible to send email without understanding the contents especially when it comes to character assasination.
grazie...you're most welcome! More so than spam, another of my pet peeves are chain letters. Worse is when they're either urban legends or outright hoaxes like the one posted by our pious Christian with his poetic verse follow up.

Don't these people realize how stupid and ignorant they look when they blindly forward these lies? Besides chain letters are a violation of Netiquette which states:

Never send chain letters via electronic mail.  Chain letters are forbidden on the Internet. Your network privileges will be revoked.  Notify your local system administrator if your ever receive one.

Maybe Mike might pull the plug on him or at least give him a warning. In all the years since the 80s I've been a postmaster, listmaster and webmaster, I usually gave those violators a warning 1st before I pull the plug on them, meaning they could only read messages but not post them. I believe only Mike can do that here on this board.

Worse than the political ones are the ones religious in nature. I have received hardly any of them from Islamic fundamentalists. Most of the ones I get are from the Christian fundamentalists who feel in their zealous piety, it is their God given task to forward them on w/o bothering to check them out first. Talk about giving religion a bad name!

It has become so easy to check this stuff out thanx to Google and the other search engines. You no longer have to know the sites like snopes.com, urbanlegends.about.com, etc, to find out if the stuff you're forwarding is true or not. Besides, even if you know the sites, you still have to find the webpage it's on while the search engine results usually bring you directly to the webpage...joey

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« Reply #47 on: January 30, 2008, 04:09:22 PM »
Hahaha, its brilliant and original, Mr. Tabaco.
Bran...maybe brilliant but not too original. The reason I took to that quote was that my father, who just recently passed away, still called Taloto, Tagbilaran, Bohol "home", even tho he's been here in metro NYC since 1946 and has lived in the same house he died in since 1953. So if he didn't add "to the Philippines" when he talked or asked about home, we assumed he was talking about his house in New Hyde Park, when half the time he was referring to Bohol.

Sadly with his death, the old house is being put up for sale, since we his children have our own homes now and can't afford to maintain it in the condition it's in. Unfortunately none of the 20 grandkids can afford it yet either. And what a terrible time it is having to sell in this recession housing market where we'll loose tens of thousands from it's previous value. So it's goodbye to the old childhood homestead for we his kids...joey

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« Reply #48 on: January 30, 2008, 04:53:41 PM »
Bran...maybe brilliant but not too original. The reason I took to that quote was that my father, who just recently passed away, still called Taloto, Tagbilaran, Bohol "home", even tho he's been here in metro NYC since 1946 and has lived in the same house he died in since 1953. So if he didn't add "to the Philippines" when he talked or asked about home, we assumed he was talking about his house in New Hyde Park, when half the time he was referring to Bohol.

Sadly with his death, the old house is being put up for sale, since we his children have our own homes now and can't afford to maintain it in the condition it's in. Unfortunately none of the 20 grandkids can afford it yet either. And what a terrible time it is having to sell in this recession housing market where we'll loose tens of thousands from it's previous value. So it's goodbye to the old childhood homestead for we his kids...joey

Sgt. Joey, my father's family is from Taloto, Tagbilaran. 

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« Reply #49 on: January 30, 2008, 10:38:22 PM »
Sgt. Joey, my father's family is from Taloto, Tagbilaran. 
grazie...is your mother's family from Ubujan like my mom's...joey

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« Reply #50 on: January 31, 2008, 03:19:05 AM »
grazie...is your mother's family from Ubujan like my mom's...joey

Sgt. Joey, my Mother's family is from Manga, the district next to Ubujan.

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« Reply #51 on: January 31, 2008, 07:15:39 AM »
Sgt. Joey, my Mother's family is from Manga, the district next to Ubujan.
grazie...when I was back there in 2/05, my cousin's husband, Tony Botero, and i did a suroy-suroy from Talisay Beach to the Manga Wharf along that beach road. Wish I had brought my bike with me there. I don't remember that road running thru like that the last time I was there before that in 72.

I think Hillary will get those FL delegates reinstated for the Con. Not looking good for Obama ???...joey

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« Reply #52 on: January 31, 2008, 07:31:47 AM »
Sgt. Joey, my sister and her husband went home late last year and I was so amazed how things has changed in Manga wharf and how things remain unchanged in our neighborhood.  Our family's house is in the distance between the mercado and the wharf.

About Hillary and Barack, I don't think Hillary can get those FL delegates.  It should have been worked on before the FL primary.  There's still along way though.  Super Tuesday is I think the defining moments for all these candidates.  Barack Obama got the boost when he was endorsed by the Kennedy family.  Just a while ago, John Edward dropped her bid for the race and I am wondering if he is ever going to endorse any of the two Dem candidates, just like Rudy endorsed McCain.

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« Reply #53 on: February 01, 2008, 07:13:44 AM »
Sgt. Joey, my sister and her husband went home late last year and I was so amazed how things has changed in Manga wharf and how things remain unchanged in our neighborhood.  Our family's house is in the distance between the mercado and the wharf.

About Hillary and Barack, I don't think Hillary can get those FL delegates.  It should have been worked on before the FL primary.  There's still along way though.  Super Tuesday is I think the defining moments for all these candidates.  Barack Obama got the boost when he was endorsed by the Kennedy family.  Just a while ago, John Edward dropped her bid for the race and I am wondering if he is ever going to endorse any of the two Dem candidates, just like Rudy endorsed McCain.
grazie...I think Tony and I walked up that street to the market from the wharf! How long were they gone from the old country? The Ubujan homestead has change quite a bit for me from 72 to 05. No more nipa huts, out houses with coconut husks, running water, electricity, cell phones and towers being the tallest structure in the barrio, tv, cars, motorcycles, aircon, etc, etc etc.

Even if the FL delegates turn up at the dem con, how can they be refused? They were duly elected by the dems of FL! With Hilary backing them, they will almost be surly seated. I believe that the Clinton campaign comm is already working on a lawsuit.

If you look at the stats, Hillary will take most of the states. The best you can hope for is an even split. If Edwards doesn't endorse Obama, he ain't gonna make it. While I don't trust Hillary because of her connections to Wall and K Sts, I do agree with all of her platform issues. The only issue I disagree with Obama on is his stand on Iraq. We can't just pull out on a timetable...joey

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« Reply #54 on: February 02, 2008, 07:58:33 AM »
grazie...Here's an interesting link to Asian Americans Seek Campaign Visibility written by Susan Layug of Chicago Public Radio. For a Fil Am, she has an interesting POV. She must not be a Democratic Party stalwart...joey

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« Reply #55 on: February 02, 2008, 10:25:21 AM »
Thanks for this, Sgt. Joey!  I will read this.



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« Reply #56 on: February 07, 2008, 12:40:49 PM »
Thanks for this, Sgt. Joey!  I will read this.
grazie...despite the stats, looks like our man Obama is holding his own after super duper Tuesday and may even surpass Hillary in the next few weeks primaries and caucuses until TX and OH come up in March, no thanx to Fil Ams who overwhelmingly voted for Hillary like the Hispanics we are...joey

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« Reply #57 on: February 07, 2008, 03:04:20 PM »
Sgt. Joey, yes, Obama's doing good during the Super Tuesday though delegate-wise, he still has some catching up to do.  He'll be okay.  McCain on the other hand is now comfortable with his lead over Romney and Huckabee!

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« Reply #58 on: February 09, 2008, 11:17:12 AM »
Sgt. Joey, yes, Obama's doing good during the Super Tuesday though delegate-wise, he still has some catching up to do.  He'll be okay.  McCain on the other hand is now comfortable with his lead over Romney and Huckabee!
grazie...with Romney out and little chance of Huckabee catching up, looks like McCain's got it wrapped up. While Latinos voted for Hillary 2 to 1, Asian Americans voted for Hillary 3 to 1. If we could break out Fil Ams from that last stat, it probably would be more like 4 to 1 on super duper Tues...joey

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« Reply #59 on: February 09, 2008, 11:26:53 AM »
grazie...with Romney out and little chance of Huckabee catching up, looks like McCain's got it wrapped up. While Latinos voted for Hillary 2 to 1, Asian Americans voted for Hillary 3 to 1. If we could break out Fil Ams from that last stat, it probably would be more like 4 to 1 on super duper Tues...joey

I was caught by surprise of Romney's withdrawing from the race when he seemed to be do or die.  I think by now, Republican's already got their candidate while Democrats are still up for grabbing by either Hillary or Obama.

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« Reply #60 on: February 09, 2008, 12:16:43 PM »
Hillary!!!  Hillary & Obama = winning ticket.

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« Reply #61 on: February 10, 2008, 09:02:51 AM »
I was caught by surprise of Romney's withdrawing from the race when he seemed to be do or die.  I think by now, Republican's already got their candidate while Democrats are still up for grabbing by either Hillary or Obama.

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grazie...Edwards was do or die also and he surprised me when he dropped out. However I'm not surprised that Huckabee is still in tho he has almost no chance of winning. It's beginning to look like it will come down to a fight a the Dem Con on who will be the candidate unless Hillary does exceptionally well in the OH and TX primaries. If it comes to that, then Hillary will prevail since the Clintons have been know to be able to win at any and all costs. I doubt Obama would sell his soul like that and we may once again be sold down the river...joey

p.s...click here for the answer to your last part...jt

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« Reply #62 on: February 27, 2008, 11:00:54 AM »
Just got a new email from 80-20 today with this interesting analysis from CNN's Anderson Cooper 360 (February 15, 2008) program on the Asian Am vote bloc. Shows how the elders among us are more resistant to change. On Facebook, Obama seems to be the favorite among the Fil Ams...joey

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« Reply #63 on: March 12, 2008, 10:21:54 AM »
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The artist abroad
Barack or Hilary? The politics of color

By Luis H. Francia
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First Posted 08:55:00 03/11/2008


Another reason McCain will win in Nov, since, as implied in this link, Hilary supporters will vote for McCain if Obama wins the party nomination; besides the Republican, backed by multinational corporate funding, judicial challenge of as many non-white Democratic voters as reported by both the LA Times/Bloomberg and Mason/Dixon pollsters. These Republicans are the same folks who complain about judicial legislation, ignoring the anointment of the Bush regime by the US Supreme Court in 2000...joey

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« Reply #65 on: March 12, 2008, 02:23:33 PM »
Obama won today in the Mississippi Primary.  Until next primary. :)

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« Reply #66 on: March 12, 2008, 02:42:57 PM »
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« Reply #67 on: March 12, 2008, 02:52:19 PM »
On April 22, Dong, the Primary is gonna be in your turf!  :D

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« Reply #68 on: March 12, 2008, 03:03:39 PM »
Oh you bet I'll be out for that.



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« Reply #70 on: March 25, 2008, 05:27:18 AM »
Obama but normally I vote for Republicans I am tired of Dems infedility ways!

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« Reply #71 on: March 25, 2008, 06:51:04 AM »
Obama but normally I vote for Republicans I am tired of Dems infedility ways!
That's because the Republicans usually divorce their current wife before they go out and commit adultery unless they are Mormon where they just add another wife! :D

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« Reply #72 on: March 30, 2008, 08:47:27 AM »
It may be neither! McCain may win the Presidency no matter who the Dem nominee is. This will not be due to the Dem infighting for the party nominee turning off the Dem and independent voters. If any of you had the chance to watch the program "Stealing Democracy?" on satellite LinkTV, you will learn how the Republicans have been using underhanded and even maybe illegal means to steal the votes so that the Presidency has and will go to the Republican candidate.

Just some of the tactics the Republicans, including the Bush regime's Justice Dept, are using is to challenge Democratic voters especially if they are a racial minority, like us! By denying these voters their privilege to vote or having these votes thrown out at the polling places, or tying them up in the courts systems long enough for them not to be counted toward the election, they have and still hope to steal the Presidency.

It would behoove any registered Democrat to make sure that their voter registration is in order, especially to make sure their party registration has not been switched by some Republican shinanagan. It would also be prudent to be prepared to be ready to have you or your vote challenged at your polling place.

If you find that all this is too much of a hassle to bother to vote, then you'd better be prepared to spend the next hundred years, the next 4 at a minimum, for our country to be in Iraq and Afghanistan since US forces had been in the Philippines for longer than that. After all, it's only your tax dollars as well as the higher cost of living incurred that is being spent making the big business MIC regime members richer.

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