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Hillary or Obama???
« on: September 14, 2007, 01:20:06 AM »
Who do you think would win, Hillary? or Obama???

who do you like to vote...?

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« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2007, 01:24:39 AM »
Tough choice here---originally republican man jud ko--pero i've been dissauded by the republican party with all their sex scandals, graft and corruption charges, and the inadequacy of the Bush administration....

On the matter tho, its a hard choice. I'd pick Clinton because most of what she champions for are the issues that i am for. Health care reform, in particular, as well as a reduced spending on the economy--and greater focus in infrastructural reform: bridge, roadways AND educational reform. They need to SERIOUSLY revoke this no-child-left behind act. I have friends who are elementary and secondary school teachers and they are totally against it.

I just hope that we have a capable president this next term.

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« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2007, 03:14:53 AM »
Sorry Belle, I know a bit about Hillary but I don't know Obama.

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Re: Hillary of Obama???
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2007, 10:40:20 AM »
yeah lets just hope.... na open nako ni kay akong amiga kay di man sha ni Obama kay bata pa kuno kaajo...

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« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2007, 11:34:54 AM »
Dili puede mo botar kang John Edwards? Guapo man gud siya, he has my vote.

Korek ka dong Bran, serious revamp jud on the No Child Left Behind Policy kay tan-awa ang resulta...si Miss South Carolina.

Tsk, tsk tsk  ;D

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« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2007, 09:40:44 PM »
mao gyud, hahahahhaahha

maka ulaw.... basi resulta na na sa ilang mga spring break 2x maajo lang sa kiniat... maglagot baja ko anang ilang spring break diri kay binulok gyud kaajo...

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« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2007, 12:52:09 AM »
Dili puede mo botar kang John Edwards? Guapo man gud siya, he has my vote.

Korek ka dong Bran, serious revamp jud on the No Child Left Behind Policy kay tan-awa ang resulta...si Miss South Carolina.

Tsk, tsk tsk  ;D

hahahahahah bitaw no. Okey pood na si edwards, so long as we have a progressive president. Obama and Clinton are my top choices though.

Ang republicanside...joke ra na sila.

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« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2007, 12:58:34 AM »

si Ms.Hillary Clinton deserves to be the first US woman President... a strong willed person... the answer for all sexes....

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« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2007, 03:25:30 PM »

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« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2007, 06:45:38 PM »
Hillary gyud kay girl power!

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« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2007, 09:23:33 PM »
you bet...

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« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2008, 03:28:30 PM »
B:)...
Obama's lack of commitment to Asian Ams may not affect him that much, but his lack of concrete plans will. Hope will not change anything w/o plans like Hilary has. I just am suspicious of how indebted Hillary is to the Wall St Corps!
...joey
And speaking of those Wall St Corp types from a thread that B:) and I were having, here's something I just got 3 copies of in my emailbox:

WHY HILLARY SHOULD BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES?

I am a dual citizen of the United States and the Philippines and I am equally involved and concerned with the future of these 2 countries that I love.

As an American citizen, I earnestly urge all of you, not only to vote for but also to campaign for Sen. Hillary Clinton to be the next President of the United States.

AND WHY DO I ASK THIS FROM YOU??

1. She has been right beside President Bill Clinton in the White House during the 8 consecutive years of phenomenal economic prosperity and technological growth of the United States. Having been an eyewitness and adviser to her husband during his Presidency, Hillary is well verse in the management and very complex decision making involved in being President.

 She will hit the ground running on day one of her presidency and will have very short learning curve.

2. She has been always a Friend to the Filipino American community. In 1999, she was the first and so far the only Occupant of the White House (as First Lady) who attended and spoke at a Filipino American convention (the National Federation of Filipino American Associations-NAFFAA).

She and President Bill Clinton supported the passage into law, which allows Filipino Veterans of  World War II to return to the Philippines and live there and still receive the Social Security Supplemental Income. President Bill Clinton in fact signed the law in 2000 with a dozen Fil Am Vets of World War II in attendance.

3. She favors the legalization of the 23 million TNT's (you know, Tago nang Tago) and yet at the same time, she supports the aggressive application of immigration laws so that those immigrants who do not respect our laws, rules and regulations, are deported.

4. She has always been an advocate for children, since she was 14 years old, starting with her Methodist Church child care service up to her years as NEW YORK Senator. She worked  for the passage that foster children should remain in the foster home up to the age of 21 and not 18, which means that they leave only when they reach the age of maturity.

5. As the first woman President of the United States, we are sending a very strong signal to our daughters and granddaughters that gender is not a barrier to their highest aspirations, whether it is to become U.S. President, CEO of a Fortune 500 company, the next Einstein or Bill Gates of the 21st century.

6. But the most important reason that I could give to you as members of the Filipino-American community is that: because Senator Hillary Clinton is a personal friend, I am better able to approach her when she is President to support important legislations and executive measures that would be for the benefit of Filipino Americans (just to cite a few examples: the Fil Am Vets Equity Bill, extension of Medicaid coverage in the  Philippines, the passage of the Amnesty Law for illegal aliens).

LOIDA NICOLAS LEWIS
CHAIR, FILIPINO AMERICANS FOR HILLARY


Thought yous might be interested in this in this thread...joey

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« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2008, 03:32:53 PM »
I've had conversations with some of my friends who are against Hillary, and pro Ron Paul, McCain. Many men still are intimidated by having a woman-President. Many argue that the United States 'cannot' have a woman president due to the shear political power of the United States and the need to portray the Superpower as a forceful, willful and masculine entity; one that does not back down to any threat. Many think and protest that having a woman president of the Leader of the Free World would illustrate the United States as a weak country. Easily intimidated.

What say you?

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« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2008, 03:52:08 PM »
I'll go for Barack Obama. 

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« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2008, 04:15:41 PM »
I am not a Filipino American but I am quiet familiar of what is happening in the Us right now. The future leader of the United States of America would highly affect the Asian countries in the future so I should follow every happenings of the US Elections.

My best bet is Hilary Clinton. I am so convinced with her political background. Although I don't know much about Obama and the the other political rivals of Mrs. Clinton, I will still go fo her.

Sayang lang kay dili ko kabutar.... hehehehhehe

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« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2008, 04:16:05 PM »
Ako diri sa Bohol since Bill the popular husband of Hilarry was America's former president it would likely end the same program for Hilarry what Bill did before, so ari nalang ko kay


            OBAMA

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« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2008, 04:21:12 PM »
Apir, Yet! If we want Change, go for Obama! heheheh  Funny, dili bya Democratic akong leaning and yet I like Obama.

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« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2008, 04:29:34 PM »
Apir pud Grazz kay parihas manta ug partido Democratic, piro let gets serios OBAMA is very talented person tan-awa ra gud ning ijang record:

Barack Hussein Obama (pronounced /b??r??k hu??se?n o??b??m?/[1]) (born August 4, 1961) is the junior United States Senator from Illinois and a leading candidate for the Democratic nomination in the 2008 presidential election.[2][3] He is the fifth African American Senator in U.S. history, the third popularly elected African American Senator, and the only African American currently serving in the U.S. Senate.[4]

Born in Honolulu to a Kenyan father and an American mother, Obama grew up in culturally diverse surroundings. He lived most of his early life in Hawaii. From ages six to ten, he lived in Jakarta, Indonesia. A graduate of Columbia University and Harvard Law School, Obama worked as a community organizer, university lecturer, and civil rights lawyer before running for public office. He served in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2004, and after a failed bid for the U.S. Congress in 2000, he launched his campaign for U.S. Senate in 2003.

Obama delivered the keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention while still an Illinois state legislator. He was elected to the U.S. Senate in November 2004 with a landslide 70% of the vote in an election year marked by Republican gains.[5][6] As a member of the Democratic minority in the 109th Congress, Obama co-sponsored the enactment of conventional weapons control and transparency legislation, and made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Africa. In the 110th Congress, he has sponsored legislation on lobbying and electoral fraud, climate change, nuclear terrorism, and care for returned U.S. military personnel.

Since announcing his presidential campaign in February 2007, Obama has emphasized ending the Iraq War, increasing energy independence, and providing universal health care as major priorities.[7] He married in 1992 and has two daughters. He has written two bestselling books: a memoir of his youth titled Dreams from My Father, and The Audacity of Hope, a personal commentary on U.S. politics.[8]
State legislature
Obama was elected to the Illinois State Senate in 1996 from the state's 13th District in the south-side Chicago neighborhood of Hyde Park.[32] In 2000, he made an unsuccessful Democratic primary run for the U.S. House of Representatives seat held by four-term incumbent candidate Bobby Rush.[33] He was reelected to the Illinois Senate in 1998 and 2002, officially resigning in November 2004 following his election to the U.S. Senate.[34][35] As a state legislator, Obama worked with both Democrats and Republicans in drafting successful legislation on ethics and health care reform.[36] He sponsored a law enhancing tax credits for low-income workers, negotiated welfare reform, and promoted increased subsidies for child care.[37] Obama also led the passage of legislation mandating videotaping of homicide interrogations, and a law to monitor racial profiling by requiring police to record the race of drivers they stopped.[37][38] During his 2004 general election campaign for U.S. Senate, Obama won the endorsement of the Illinois Fraternal Order of Police, whose president credited him with having been "immensely helpful in working with police organizations" on death penalty reform.[39] He was criticized by a rival pro-choice candidate in the Democratic primary and by his Republican pro-life opponent in the general election for having voted either "present" or "no" on the Illinois Born Alive Infants Protection Act.[36][40]


Keynote address at 2004 Democratic National Convention
See also: 2004 Democratic National Convention
Obama wrote and delivered the keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention in Boston, Massachusetts, while still serving as a state legislator.[41] After describing his maternal grandfather's experiences as a World War II veteran and a beneficiary of the New Deal's FHA and G.I. Bill programs, Obama said:

No, people don't expect government to solve all their problems. But they sense, deep in their bones, that with just a slight change in priorities, we can make sure that every child in America has a decent shot at life, and that the doors of opportunity remain open to all. They know we can do better. And they want that choice.

Questioning the Bush administration's management of the Iraq War, Obama spoke of an enlisted Marine, Corporal Seamus Ahern from East Moline, Illinois, asking, "Are we serving Seamus as well as he is serving us?" He continued:

When we send our young men and women into harm's way, we have a solemn obligation not to fudge the numbers or shade the truth about why they're going, to care for their families while they're gone, to tend to the soldiers upon their return, and to never, ever go to war without enough troops to win the war, secure the peace, and earn the respect of the world.

Finally, he spoke for national unity:

The pundits like to slice-and-dice our country into Red States and Blue States; Red States for Republicans, Blue States for Democrats. But I've got news for them too. We worship an awesome God in the Blue States, and we don't like federal agents poking around in our libraries in the Red States. We coach Little League in the Blue States and yes, we got some gay friends in the Red States. There are patriots who opposed the war in Iraq and patriots who supported the war in Iraq. We are one people, all of us pledging allegiance to the stars and stripes, all of us defending the United States of America.[42]

The speech was Obama's introduction to most of America. Its enthusiastic reception at the convention and widespread coverage by national media gave him instant celebrity status.[43]


Senate campaign
Main article: United States Senate election in Illinois, 2004
In 2003, Obama began his run for the U.S. Senate open seat vacated by Peter Fitzgerald. In early opinion polls leading up to the Democratic primary, Obama trailed multimillionaire businessman Blair Hull and Illinois Comptroller Dan Hynes.[44] However, Hull's popularity declined following allegations of domestic abuse.[44] Obama's candidacy was boosted by an advertising campaign featuring images of the late Chicago Mayor Harold Washington and the late U.S. Senator Paul Simon; the support of Simon's daughter; and political endorsements by the Chicago Tribune and Chicago Sun-Times.[45][46] Obama received over 52% of the vote in the March 2004 primary, emerging 29% ahead of his nearest Democratic rival.[47] His opponent in the general election was expected to be Republican primary winner Jack Ryan. However, Ryan withdrew from the race in June 2004, following public disclosure of child custody divorce records containing sexual allegations by Ryan's ex-wife, actress Jeri Ryan.[48] In August 2004, with less than three months to go before election day, Alan Keyes accepted the Illinois Republican Party's nomination to replace Ryan.[49] A long-time resident of Maryland, Keyes established legal residency in Illinois with the nomination.[50] Through three televised debates, Obama and Keyes expressed opposing views on stem cell research, abortion, gun control, school vouchers, and tax cuts.[51] In the November 2004 general election, Obama received 70% of the vote to Keyes's 27%, the largest electoral victory in Illinois history.[52]


Senate career
Obama was sworn in as a Senator on January 4, 2005.[53] In a move considered exceptional for a first-term incoming senator, he recruited Pete Rouse, a 30-year veteran of the Washington political scene and former chief of staff to Senate Democratic Leader Tom Daschle, as his chief of staff.[54] Karen Kornbluh, an economist who was deputy chief of staff to former Secretary of the Treasury Robert Rubin, was hired as Obama's policy adviser.[55] Foreign policy advisers include Samantha Power, author on human rights and genocide, and former Clinton administration officials Anthony Lake and Susan Rice.[56] Obama holds assignments on the Senate Committees for Foreign Relations; Health, Education, Labor and Pensions; Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs; and Veterans' Affairs,[57] and is a member of the Congressional Black Caucus.[58]

Congressional ratings for Senator Obama's votes by a number of interest groups are tracked by Project Vote Smart.[59]


109th Congress
Obama sponsored 152 bills and resolutions brought before the 109th Congress in 2005 and 2006, and cosponsored another 427.[60][61] Obama took an active role in the Senate's drive for improved border security and immigration reform. Beginning in 2005, Obama co-sponsored the "Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act" introduced by Sen. John McCain (R-AZ).[62] He later added three amendments to S. 2611, the "Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act," sponsored by Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA).[63][64] S. 2611 passed the Senate in May 2006, but failed to gain majority support in the U.S. House of Representatives.[65] In September 2006, Obama supported a related bill, the Secure Fence Act, authorizing construction of fencing and other security improvements along the Mexico–United States border.[66] President Bush signed the Secure Fence Act into law in October 2006, calling it "an important step toward immigration reform."[67]

 
Senate bill sponsors Tom Coburn (R-OK) and Obama discuss the Coburn-Obama Transparency Act.[68]Partnering first with Sen. Richard Lugar (R-IN), and then with Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK), Obama successfully introduced two initiatives bearing his name. "Lugar-Obama" expands the Nunn-Lugar cooperative threat reduction concept to conventional weapons, including shoulder-fired missiles and anti-personnel mines.[69][70] The "Coburn-Obama Transparency Act" provides for a web site, managed by the Office of Management and Budget, listing all organizations receiving Federal funds from 2007 onward, and providing breakdowns by the agency allocating the funds, the dollar amount given, and the purpose of the grant or contract.[71][72] In December 2006, President Bush signed into law the "Democratic Republic of the Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act," marking the first federal legislation to be enacted with Obama as its primary sponsor.[73]

As a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Obama made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Africa. In August 2005, he traveled to Russia, Ukraine, and Azerbaijan. The trip focused on strategies to control the world's supply of conventional weapons, biological weapons, and weapons of mass destruction as a first defense against potential terrorist attacks.[74] Following meetings with U.S. military in Kuwait and Iraq in January 2006, Obama visited Jordan, Israel, and the Palestinian territories. At a meeting with Palestinian students two weeks before Hamas won the legislative election, Obama warned that "the U.S. will never recognize winning Hamas candidates unless the group renounces its fundamental mission to eliminate Israel."[75] He left for his third official trip in August 2006, traveling to South Africa, Kenya, Djibouti, Ethiopia and Chad. In a nationally televised speech at the University of Nairobi, he spoke forcefully on the influence of ethnic rivalries and corruption in Kenya.[76] The speech touched off a public debate among rival leaders, some formally challenging Obama's remarks as unfair and improper, others defending his positions.[77][78]


110th Congress
In the first month of the newly Democratic-controlled 110th Congress, Obama worked with Russ Feingold (D–WI) to eliminate gifts of travel on corporate jets by lobbyists to members of Congress and require disclosure of bundled campaign contributions under the "Honest Leadership and Open Government Act", which was signed into law in September 2007.[79] He joined Charles Schumer (D-NY) in sponsoring S. 453, a bill to criminalize deceptive practices in federal elections, including fraudulent flyers and automated phone calls, as witnessed in the 2006 midterm elections.[80] Obama's energy initiatives scored pluses and minuses with environmentalists, who welcomed his sponsorship with John McCain (R-AZ) of a climate change bill to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by two-thirds by 2050, but were skeptical of his support for a bill promoting liquefied coal production.[81] Obama also introduced the "Iraq War De-Escalation Act", a bill to cap troop levels in Iraq, begin phased redeployment, and remove all combat brigades from Iraq before April 2008.[82]

Later in 2007, Obama sponsored with Kit Bond (R-MO) an amendment to the 2008 Defense Authorization Act adding safeguards for personality disorder military discharges, and calling for a review by the Government Accounting Office following reports that the procedure had been used inappropriately to reduce government costs.[83] He sponsored the "Iran Sanctions Enabling Act" supporting divestment of state pension funds from Iran's oil and gas industry,[84] and joined Chuck Hagel (R-NE) in introducing legislation to reduce risks of nuclear terrorism. A provision from the Obama-Hagel bill was passed by Congress in December 2007 as an amendment to the State-Foreign Operations appropriations bill.[85] Obama also sponsored a Senate amendment to the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) to provide one year of job protection for family members caring for soldiers with combat-related injuries.[86] After passing both houses of Congress with bipartisan majorities, SCHIP was vetoed by President Bush in early October 2007, a move Obama said "shows a callousness of priorities that is offensive to the ideals we hold as Americans."[87]


Presidential campaign
In February 2007, standing before the Old State Capitol building in Springfield, Illinois, Obama announced his candidacy for the 2008 U.S. presidential election.[2] Describing his working life in Illinois, and symbolically linking his presidential campaign to Abraham Lincoln's 1858 House Divided speech, Obama said: "That is why, in the shadow of the Old State Capitol, where Lincoln once called on a house divided to stand together, where common hopes and common dreams still live, I stand before you today to announce my candidacy for President of the United States of America."[89] Speaking at a Democratic National Committee meeting one week before the February announcement, Obama called for putting an end to negative campaigning. "This can't be about who digs up more skeletons on who, who makes the fewest slip-ups on the campaign trail," he said. "We owe it to the American people to do more than that."[90]

Obama's campaign raised US$58 million during the first half of 2007, topping all other candidates and exceeding previous records for the first six months of any year before an election year.[91] Small donors, those contributing in increments of less than $200, accounted for $16.4 million of Obama's record-breaking total, more than for any other Democratic candidate.[92] His campaign reported adding 108,000 new donors through third quarter fundraising, for a total of 365,000 individual contributors in the first nine months.[93] Amid concerns for his safety as the first black candidate seen as having a viable chance of being elected president, the U.S. government assigned Secret Service protection to Obama 18 months before the general election.[94]

In October 2007, with two months remaining before the Iowa Democratic caucuses and New Hampshire primary and national opinion polls showing him trailing Hillary Clinton, Obama began directly charging his top rival with failing to clearly state her political positions.[95] Campaigning in Iowa, he told the Washington Post that as the Democratic nominee he would draw more support than Clinton from independent and Republican voters in the general election.[96] At Iowa's Jefferson-Jackson fundraising dinner in November 2007, Obama expanded the theme, saying that his presidency would "bring the country together in a new majority" to seek solutions to long-standing problems.[97] Attended by 3,000 supporters, including representatives from each of Iowa's 99 counties, the event was described by an Obama campaign press secretary as a "pretty good dry run" in preparation for the 2008 primary season's first electoral contest.[98]

Obama won the January 3, 2008 Iowa Democratic caucuses with 38% support, ahead of 30% for John Edwards and 29% for Hillary Clinton.[99] Although polls and pundits alike predicted a definitive victory by as much as 13 percentage points in the January 8, 2008 New Hampshire primary, Obama came in second with 37% of the vote to Hillary Rodham Clinton's 39% and John Edwards' 17%.[100] As a result of the primary, Obama and Clinton each received nine delegates.[100]






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« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2008, 10:35:44 PM »
Sus Leche gud ni si Boyet mang hatag man ug taas nga basahonon!

Ako gyud gi print Yet kay gamitan na naho ug antepara!

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« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2008, 01:24:38 AM »
Tagaan jud ta'g reading materials ani ni Boyet, Maring ba?  heheheheh  Ganahan ko ani Yet pero wa pa jud nko naganid ug basa.  I will also print this so i can have a copy ready...

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« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2008, 04:10:40 AM »
Kataas pud ani oi. Nalibat ko ug binasa. Cute lagi ni si Obama noh? Nindot iyang ngipon, nagpa bleach siguro sa iyang teeth ni.

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« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2008, 05:33:48 AM »
Ning contrast lang sa iyang panit ang iyang ngipon, ms ethyl kay!  but i thought so too that he is wapo.  I usually find a guy wapo when he is smart!  ;)

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« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2008, 06:44:27 AM »
ayaw lang ug kabalaka grace kay dia kos imung luyo para kay Obama!

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« Reply #23 on: January 14, 2008, 07:24:23 AM »
Salamat, Yet!  Go Obama, go! ;D

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« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2008, 12:04:40 AM »
Sigi Grace, nasa likud moko pirmi!

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« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2008, 10:59:30 AM »
Obama won a big lead against Clinton in the South Carolina Primary tonight!

Go Obama!!!

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« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2008, 11:57:03 AM »
here we go Grazz!

Obama wins in SC, regaining momentum



By DAVID ESPO and CHARLES BABINGTON, Associated Press Writers
29 minutes ago
 


COLUMBIA, S.C. - Barack Obama routed Hillary Rodham Clinton in the racially charged South Carolina primary Saturday night, regaining campaign momentum in the prelude to a Feb. 5 coast-to-coast competition for more than 1,600 Democratic National Convention delegates.

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"The choice in this election is not about regions or religions or genders," Obama said at a boisterous victory rally. "It's not about rich versus poor, young versus old and it's not about black versus white. It's about the past versus the future."

The audience chanted "Race doesn't matter" as it awaited Obama to make his appearance after rolling up 55 percent of the vote in a three-way race.

But it did, in a primary that shattered turnout records.

About half the voters were black, according to polling place interviews, and four out of five of them supported Obama. Black women turned out in particularly large numbers. Obama, the first-term Illinois senator, got about a quarter of the white vote while Clinton and former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina split the rest.

Clinton flew to Nashville as the polls closed, and looked ahead. "Now the eyes of the country turn to Tennessee and the other states voting on Feb. 5," she said, adding "millions and millions of Americans are going to have their voices heard."

Edwards finished a distant third, a sharp setback in the state where he was born and scored a primary victory in his first presidential campaign four years ago. Even so, he vowed to remain in the race, his goal, he said, to "give voice to all those whose voices aren't being heard."

The victory was Obama's first since he won the kickoff Iowa caucuses on Jan. 3. Clinton, a New York senator and former first lady, scored an upset in the New Hampshire primary a few days later. They split the Nevada caucuses, she winning the turnout race, he gaining a one-delegate margin. In an historic race, she hopes to become the first woman to occupy the White House, and Obama is the strongest black contender in history.

The South Carolina primary marked the end of the first phase of the campaign for the Democratic nomination, a series of single-state contests that winnowed the field, conferred co-front-runner status on Clinton and Obama but had relatively few delegates at stake.

That all changes in 10 days' time, when New York, Illinois and California are among the 15 states holding primaries in a virtual nationwide primary. Another seven states and American Samoa will hold Democratic caucuses on the same day.

Obama took a thinly veiled swipe at Clinton in his remarks.

"We are up against conventional thinking that says your ability to lead as president comes from longevity in Washington or proximity to the White House. But we know that real leadership is about candor, and judgment, and the ability to rally Americans from all walks of life around a common purpose — a higher purpose," Obama said.

Looking ahead to Feb. 5, he added that "nearly half the nation will have the chance to join us in saying that we are tired of business-as-usual in Washington, we are hungry for change, and we are ready to believe again."

Nearly complete returns showed Obama winning 55 percent of the vote, Clinton gaining 27 percent. Edwards had 18 percent and won only his home county of Oconee.

Obama also gained 25 convention delegates, Clinton won 12 and Edwards eight.

Overall, Clinton has 249 delegates, followed by Obama with 167 and Edwards with 58.

Obama also gained an endorsement from Caroline Kennedy, who likened the Illinois senator to her late father, President John F. Kennedy.

"I have never had a president who inspired me the way people tell me that my father inspired them," she wrote on The New York Times op-ed page. "But for the first time, I believe I have found a man who could be that president — and not just for me, but for a new generation of Americans."

All three contenders campaigned in South Carolina on primary day, but only Obama and Edwards arranged to speak to supporters after the polls closed. Clinton left for Tennessee as the polls were closing. After playing a muted role in the earlier contests, the issue of race dominated an incendiary week that included a shift in strategy for Obama, a remarkably bitter debate and fresh scrutiny of former President Clinton's role in his wife's campaign.

Each side accused the other of playing the race card, sparking a controversy that frequently involved Bill Clinton.

"They are getting votes, to be sure, because of their race or gender. That's why people tell me Hillary doesn't have a chance of winning here," the former president said at one stop as he campaigned for his wife, strongly suggesting that blacks would not support a white alternative to Obama.

Clinton campaign strategists denied any intentional effort to stir the racial debate. But they said they believe the fallout has had the effect of branding Obama as "the black candidate," a tag that could hurt him outside the South.

Nearly six in 10 voters said the former president's efforts for his wife was important to their choice, and among them, slightly more favored Obama than the former first lady.

Overall, Obama defeated Clinton among both men and women.

The exit polls showed the economy was the most important issue in the race. About one quarter picked health care. And only one in five said it was the war in Iraq, underscoring the extent to which the once-dominant issue has faded in the face of financial concerns.

The exit poll was conducted by Edison Media Research and Mitofsky International for The Associated Press and the networks.

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« Reply #29 on: January 29, 2008, 07:22:09 AM »
Obama won a big lead against Clinton in the South Carolina Primary tonight! Go Obama!!!
grazie...Before we Obama fans get our hopes up too hi, you need to get real about what we are up against. See this link to see what my friend Loida Lewis is up to at http://tonyocruz.com/?p=666 to see what I mean. I would not be surprised if the PGMA regime is backing the Clinton candidacy.

We here in the US do not live in a democracy. We live in a republic where our electoral reps votes are what really count, altho after the Bush regime appointment in Y2K by the Supreme Court, makes even a republic questionable. Contrary to popular belief, Hillary did not win NH, where she only got 11 electorial delegates. Obama got 12, so he is the real winner there in NH.

But if you look at the total delegate count today, even if Obama and Edwards combined their delegate totals, they still could not beat Hillary. See http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/#D for the current exact numbers. The delegate count after super Tuesday will be more of an indicator to see if Obama really has a chance to become the Democratic nominee.

You must realize that Hillary is the party favorite with the money, machinery and corporate backing to make a go of it. Obama is just a party upstart with the charisma and grass roots support that can maybe make a difference in our govt and our standing in the rest of the world. But that might not be enough unless that grass roots actually gets out and votes in the primaries. It's tough enough to get the Fil Am community out for the general election. I fear that the Fil Am Democratic Party loyalists who vote in the primaries will mostly be voting for Hillary.

Since the assassination of RFK, I have become very cynical of politics. The reality seems to be that big business has bought govt and sold us down the river. But again after Obama's SC acceptance speech, like his one in IA, I got choked up and deja vu like I'm listening again to RFK, the last politician who moved and inspired me to have hope for our future as Americans...joey

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« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2008, 08:24:03 AM »
Who is Barack Obama?

Very interesting and something that should be considered in your
choice.

I hope that by making this known, those who are inclined to vote for Obama
will change their minds.


This is very scary to think of what lies ahead of us
here in our own United States...better heed this and pray about it and share it.

I checked this out on "snopes.com". It is factual. Check for yourself.

Who is Barack Obama?

Probable U. S. presidential candidate, Barack Hussein Obama was born
in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black MUSLIM
from Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white ATHEIST from
Wichita, Kansas.
Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii. When Obama was two
years old, his parents divorced. His father returned to Kenya. His
mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a RADICAL Muslim from Indonesia.?
When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocate to Indonesia. Obama
attended a MUSLIM school in Jakarta. He also spent two years in a
Catholic school.

Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim. He is
quick to point out that, "He was once a Muslim, but that he also
attended Catholic school."

Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that
 he is not a radical.

Obama's introduction to Islam came via his father, and that this
influence was temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned
to Kenya soon after the divorce, and never again had any direct
influence over his son's education.

Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham,
introduced his stepson to Islam. Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school
in Jakarta.

Wahabism is the RADICAL teaching that is followed by the Muslim
terrorists who are now waging Jihad against the western world. Since
it is politically expedient to be a CHRISTIAN when seeking major
public office in the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined
the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim
background. ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office he
DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the Koran.

Barack Hussein Obama will NOT recite the Pledge of Allegiance nor
will he show any reverence for our flag. While others place their hands
over their hearts, Obama turns his back to the flag and slouches.

Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential
candidacy.

The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the US from the inside
out, what better way to start than at the highest level - through the
President of the United States, one of their own!!!!

Please share this with  everyone you know. Would you want this man leading
our country?

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« Reply #31 on: January 29, 2008, 08:40:59 AM »
Fortune, I thought a bit highly of you until this! lol  I have seen this in forwarded emails all through out.  To me, it doesn't matter and I believe I am a little bit smarter - just a little bit smarter than to believe those emails poisoning the minds of the people by associating Obama to the Muslims and what they did to America. It's kinda low though.  You just have to put the Hussein so people associate him to the infamous Hussein of Iraq. Isn't that funny?  See, somebody told me Obama is an Atheist and that's because why?  Because his mother was reportedly an atheist as said in this forwarded email and sealed confirmed by snopes?  hmmm...

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« Reply #32 on: January 29, 2008, 08:43:31 AM »
politics, politics,politics...

the world is getting smaller everyday...

(kanta man na noh?)

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« Reply #33 on: January 29, 2008, 08:52:06 AM »
grazie...Before we Obama fans get our hopes up too hi, you need to get real about what we are up against. See this link to see what my friend Loida Lewis is up to at http://tonyocruz.com/?p=666 to see what I mean. I would not be surprised if the PGMA regime is backing the Clinton candidacy.

We here in the US do not live in a democracy. We live in a republic where our electoral reps votes are what really count, altho after the Bush regime appointment in Y2K by the Supreme Court, makes even a republic questionable. Contrary to popular belief, Hillary did not win NH, where she only got 11 electorial delegates. Obama got 12, so he is the real winner there in NH.

But if you look at the total delegate count today, even if Obama and Edwards combined their delegate totals, they still could not beat Hillary. See http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/#D for the current exact numbers. The delegate count after super Tuesday will be more of an indicator to see if Obama really has a chance to become the Democratic nominee.

You must realize that Hillary is the party favorite with the money, machinery and corporate backing to make a go of it. Obama is just a party upstart with the charisma and grass roots support that can maybe make a difference in our govt and our standing in the rest of the world. But that might not be enough unless that grass roots actually gets out and votes in the primaries. It's tough enough to get the Fil Am community out for the general election. I fear that the Fil Am Democratic Party loyalists who vote in the primaries will mostly be voting for Hillary.

Since the assassination of RFK, I have become very cynical of politics. The reality seems to be that big business has bought govt and sold us down the river. But again after Obama's SC acceptance speech, like his one in IA, I got choked up and deja vu like I'm listening again to RFK, the last politician who moved and inspired me to have hope for our future as Americans...joey

Sgt. Joey, hello again!  I am not surprised either that PGMA is going to support the Clintons Candidacy because they were classmates.  I am saying Clintons because it seems like there are two (in one) Clintons running for US President.

I understand the complexity of the votes needed first, to win the party's nod and then for the presidential election.  It isn't gonna be popularity that is the basis in winning the election here but the electoral college vote. That's why it is important for the candidates to win in as much as many states and more so the bigger states like California, Texas, New York and Florida. 

There's still along way to go for these candidates and I believe that whoever wins has the best interest of the America in their heart.  All candidates speaksprofoundly about their flatform for a better governance but then again all politicians speak like everything is so possible for a better country that they so aspire to govern.

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« Reply #34 on: January 29, 2008, 08:55:08 AM »
politics, politics,politics...

the world is getting smaller everyday...

(kanta man na noh?)

Maring, unsa man ato ning kantahon unja sa confe karaoke session?

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« Reply #35 on: January 29, 2008, 09:11:37 AM »
...I checked this out on "snopes.com". It is factual. Check for yourself....
Where exactly in snopes.com did you find this bs?

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« Reply #36 on: January 29, 2008, 11:38:46 AM »
Maring, unsa man ato ning kantahon unja sa confe karaoke session?






Tiya, thats a good idea! hahahahha

i have to find the lyrics for that song...

mag nganga si coco ug si Insoy ana!

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« Reply #37 on: January 29, 2008, 12:29:34 PM »
two things that I want to stay away from if I can:
Politics and Religion

but in this case, I think sgt.joey knows already what's my vote.

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« Reply #38 on: January 29, 2008, 04:41:48 PM »
Fortune, I thought a bit highly of you until this! lol  I have seen this in forwarded emails all through out.  To me, it doesn't matter and I believe I am a little bit smarter - just a little bit smarter than to believe those emails poisoning the minds of the people by associating Obama to the Muslims and what they did to America. It's kinda low though.  You just have to put the Hussein so people associate him to the infamous Hussein of Iraq. Isn't that funny?  See, somebody told me Obama is an Atheist and that's because why?  Because his mother was reportedly an atheist as said in this forwarded email and sealed confirmed by snopes?  hmmm...

It's sad to know that you thought highly of me before. And now you think differently of me. I just posted this forwarded email here in order to present another side of Obama. There's nothing I can do to convince you Obama fans not to vote for Obama. This email is presented to those voters who are still undecided. Because if you think about it, there's a tinge of truth in this forwarded email. I dont like Hillary either. Long ago I have already learned about the machinations to put Hillary in power. In fact, before the incident on Sept. 11, the network I have in financial circles know what was planned. It came to pass, and now here is another danger confronting America. So as a man who loves this country, I am doing what little I can. I think you Obama fans also know that Oprah Winfrey is campaigning hard for your hero. Poor Oprah is very much in love with Barack. Now, where is the morality in this when O just let Op do her thing with his wife looking on.

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« Reply #39 on: January 29, 2008, 04:48:06 PM »
Obama my hero?  Oprah very much in love with Obama? Morality? hmmm.  ;D

I choose my fight that's why this time, I'll be just this  :-X

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