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Romney Beats Obama in First Debate - Analysts Say
« on: October 04, 2012, 03:39:52 PM »
by AFP

Mitt Romney regained momentum in the first debate by aggressively standing up to Barack Obama, analysts said, but it remains to be seen how much he can budge the needle in the White House race.

Obama spoke longer during the 90-minute showdown in Denver on Wednesday, but the Republican challenger landed more blows against an often-subdued president in their first of three debates ahead of the Nov.6 vote.
“I don't think there's any doubt... that Romney won,” G. Terry Madonna, director of the Center for Politics and Public Affairs at Franklin and Marshall College, who has monitored elections since 1960, told AFP.

A flash poll conducted by CNN bore that out: adult viewers of the debate by a 67%-25% margin said Romney won.
Similarly, a CBS News instant poll had undecided voters proclaiming Romney the victor by a two to one margin.
“The president certainly wasn't on the top of his game tonight,” Madonna said.

Romney was more aggressive “without being pugnacious or provocative or combative,” hitting the president on his economic record while steadily returning to the theme that a Romney presidency would create more jobs and stimulate faster economic growth than the current administration.

“Was it a huge victory? No. Did the president fall flat on his face? Of course not,” Madonna said.

“But what Romney had to do was get up on the stage, be the aggressor, make his points and instill a sense of confidence among Republicans that he can still win an election... and I think he accomplished that.” Romney, a former governor of Massachusetts, is desperate to turn around poll numbers that show him trailing the president going into the home stretch.

From the beginning he challenged Obama on taxes and federal spending, insisting that the president's claim that Romney would bring $5.4 trillion in tax cuts geared towards the wealthy was “inaccurate.””The president has a view very similar to the view he had when he ran four years ago, that a bigger government, spending more, taxing more, regulating more -- if you will trickle-down government -- would work,” Romney said.

“That's not the right answer for America. I'll restore the vitality that gets America working again,” he vowed. “Middle-income families are being crushed, and the question is, how to get them going again.”Obama seemed to shy away, adopting a far less confrontational tone than many of the attack ads his campaign has been running.

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Re: Romney Beats Obama in First Debate - Analysts Say
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2012, 04:44:19 PM »
Mitt Romney’s Glib Performance Won the Debate, but What About Voters?

by Eleanor Clift Oct 3, 2012 11:48 PM EDT

Romney was on a roll, and Obama seemed curiously passive. But while the former governor won the Denver debate on style, his slick performance may not have wowed voters who don’t trust him, says Eleanor Clift.

Mitt Romney was fired up and ready to go Wednesday in Denver, turning in a performance that exceeded expectations and had President Obama on the defensive for much of the night. “It’s fun, isn’t it,” Romney exclaimed when moderator Jim Lehrer noted the candidates had gone over the time limit on the first segment—and no wonder. Romney was on a roll.



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Re: Romney Beats Obama in First Debate - Analysts Say
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2012, 04:44:56 PM »
He didn’t let up for the entire 90 minutes, while Obama seemed curiously passive, never mentioning the 47 percent tape that has hampered Romney’s campaign, and failing for most of the evening to drive points in a concise way, the professorial flaw the three days of debate camp was supposed to correct.

The speaking time clock CNN posted on the bottom of the screen showed Obama with an edge over Romney in airtime, but if there were a word count, Romney would surely come out ahead. And if the debate was viewed through the facial expressions shown on camera, Romney looked pretty happy with himself while Obama looked peeved and frustrated, remembering only occasionally to flash a smile.

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Re: Romney Beats Obama in First Debate - Analysts Say
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2012, 04:45:47 PM »
He didn’t let up for the entire 90 minutes, while Obama seemed curiously passive, never mentioning the 47 percent tape that has hampered Romney’s campaign, and failing for most of the evening to drive points in a concise way, the professorial flaw the three days of debate camp was supposed to correct.

The speaking time clock CNN posted on the bottom of the screen showed Obama with an edge over Romney in airtime, but if there were a word count, Romney would surely come out ahead. And if the debate was viewed through the facial expressions shown on camera, Romney looked pretty happy with himself while Obama looked peeved and frustrated, remembering only occasionally to flash a smile.

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Re: Romney Beats Obama in First Debate - Analysts Say
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2012, 04:47:54 PM »
Romney won on style and debating points, filling the screen more substantially and confidently. But Obama, for those who paid attention to what he said, stuck more closely to the facts, refuting Romney’s gauzy promises about cutting tax rates without cutting tax revenue, repealing Obamacare while keeping the parts he likes, and doing away with the Dodd-Frank financial reform while accusing Obama of coddling the banks.

    His skill is in mixing facts and falsehoods, and speaking in such rapid-fire fashion that Obama appeared flummoxed much of the time.

Lehrer did a good job following up, and he nabbed Romney on more than one occasion for a glib assertion that didn’t line up with the facts. When Romney lit into Obama for failing to adopt the deficit-cutting recommendations of the Simpson-Bowles commission, Lehrer asked if Romney supported Simpson-Bowles. “I have my own plan,” Romney said, quickly skittering away.

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Re: Romney Beats Obama in First Debate - Analysts Say
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2012, 04:49:15 PM »
Romney delivered several zingers as expected, but none were home runs. His skill is in mixing facts and falsehoods, and speaking in such rapid-fire fashion that Obama appeared flummoxed much of the time. Even so, Romney did little Wednesday night to cure his biggest problem, a failure to create a bond of trust with the American people. His glib, even slick performance may score with debate coaches but the American people may not be similarly wowed.

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Re: Romney Beats Obama in First Debate - Analysts Say
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2012, 06:31:09 PM »
Mabasa nimo sa media nga dapig kaajo ni barako nga close ang fight. there is some truth in it. pero sa tanang mga intelligent voters who watch the movement of money very closely, lajo kaajo ug bija si barako. 5 is to 1 ang ratio in favor of romney. kay sa pagka tinood lang, wa juy kabangkaagan ni si barako. kong dili mag sigi ug dugang ug utang, sogoon na pod nija ang ijang batabata nga si bernanke to print more money. this causes inflation. prices for essential items like food are going up and up. but my favorite is still ron paul. romney is just the lesser of two evils. bisan kinsa pa aning duha ang mapili, mag lisod gihapon ug recover ang states. on the optimistic side hinoon, ang bag-ong mga technology nga gi pang gamit karon is leading to more recovery of oil. MAYBE we can produce more oil than saudi

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Re: Romney Beats Obama in First Debate - Analysts Say
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2012, 06:36:00 PM »
in the first debate, romney beat obama at his own game. ang gisaligan gud ni obama, tam-is kaajo ang ijang dila. pero na lopig sija ni romney because romney was talking about facts, not falsehoods . bisan ug unsaon pa ug kwenta, wa jud mo asenso ang america in the four years of obamas presidency. misamot kalisod ang america. 47 million americans are now dependent on food stamps. this is a fact not a falsehood

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Re: Romney Beats Obama in First Debate - Analysts Say
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2012, 06:46:08 PM »
diehard jud ni si islander ni obama. im not copy pasting anymore islander. i am an eyewitness to what is happening. tinood tong mga gipanulti ni romney. ang stimulus money ni obama gi panghatag nija sa ijang mga cronies. ang mga head honchos sa  SOLYNDRA, dagko kaajo ug gi panghatag para sa campaign ni obama. dere gud sa america, ang mga tawo maoy mang hatag ug kwarta para sa ilang kandidato. sa pilipinas ang mga kandidato maoy manghatag ug kwarta sa mga tawo. the SOLYNDRA scandal cost the american taxpayers at least a half billion dollars. mao to nga wa ka tingog si obama when romney talked about solyndra

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Re: Romney Beats Obama in First Debate - Analysts Say
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2012, 06:56:31 PM »
unsaon god tawon nako pagka-diehard ni obama nga di man tawon ko botante.  gi-balance ra nako ang mga analysis sa observers.  ikaw ang diehard ni romney nga diesoft kang obama no? ;D

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Re: Romney Beats Obama in First Debate - Analysts Say
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2012, 07:28:25 PM »
in the first debate, romney beat obama at his own game. ang gisaligan gud ni obama, tam-is kaajo ang ijang dila. pero na lopig sija ni romney because romney was talking about facts, not falsehoods .
Romney delivered several zingers as expected, but none were home runs. His skill is in mixing facts and falsehoods, and speaking in such rapid-fire fashion that Obama appeared flummoxed much of the time.

kinsa kahay sakto ninyong duha, ikaw o ang writer nga akong gi-quote...  ;)

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« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2012, 08:05:43 PM »
unsaon god tawon nako pagka-diehard ni obama nga di man tawon ko botante.  gi-balance ra nako ang mga analysis sa observers.  ikaw ang diehard ni romney nga diesoft kang obama no? ;D
dili ko diehard ni romney. ron paul is still the best bet to turn around the economy. economist ni si ron paul. but the big money is behind romney.  si ron paul dili jud mangajo ug contributions para sa ijang campaign. pero kini si romney ug si obama mag sigi lang ug pangajo sa mga tawo

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« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2012, 08:07:13 PM »
unsaon god tawon nako pagka-diehard ni obama nga di man tawon ko botante.  gi-balance ra nako ang mga analysis sa observers.  ikaw ang diehard ni romney nga diesoft kang obama no? ;D

kong gi balance pa nimo, nag patik unta pod ka sa side ni romney

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« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2012, 08:16:08 PM »
kinsa kahay sakto ninyong duha, ikaw o ang writer nga akong gi-quote...  ;)

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pareha ni silang duha si romney ug si obama. mixing facts and falsehoods. of course, what else can you expect, they are seasoned politicians. pero mas daghan ug tinood ang ka romney. mao nga di ka tubag si obama usahay. di sija maka ipsot labi na sa SOLYNDRA SCANDAL. pwede gihapon ka mo copy paste islander ug pabor ni obama bahin sa solyndra scandal. but this is the fact. olyndra was already losing money pero tungod kay dako sila ug lagay para sa campaign ni obama dako sila ug nakuhang stimulus. more than half a billion. all gone to waste kay na bankrupt man gihapon ang solyndra. ingon ani mag usik usik ug kwarta si obama. kong si romney pa ang presidente dili jud mahitabo nga mohatag sija ug dugang kwarta sa solyndra because he is a savvy businessman.

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« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2012, 08:20:51 PM »
abi bitaw ko ug lopig jud kaajo si romney kay tam-is kaajo ug dila ni si obama, but this time na lopig sija ni romney kay mas daghan ang tinood ka romney gamay ra ug botbot. si obama mas daghan ang botbot gamay lang ang tinood. klaro na kaajo nga misaka ang mga taxes sa middle class, mo ingon gihapon si obama nga he lowered the taxes of the middle class

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« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2012, 09:05:22 PM »
kong gi balance pa nimo, nag patik unta pod ka sa side ni romney

gipatik na bitaw ni tubagbohol.com ang bahin ni romney nga daogan, mao nga agig balanse, gipatik pod nako ang laing angle, klaro?

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« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2012, 09:22:00 PM »
in the first debate, romney beat obama at his own game. ang gisaligan gud ni obama, tam-is kaajo ang ijang dila. pero na lopig sija ni romney because romney was talking about facts, not falsehoods .
pareha ni silang duha si romney ug si obama. mixing facts and falsehoods.

nausab na man lagi ang estorya; abi nakog si romney way falsehoods...  ;) ;D 

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« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2012, 10:26:04 PM »
wala ma usab ang estorya. i already said that romney is the lesser of 2 evils  ;D ;D ;D ;D

wala ko mag sulti nga si romney way falsehoods ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Romney Beats Obama in First Debate - Analysts Say
« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2012, 10:26:32 PM »
Yes, it was as bad as it seemed.
No, it wasn’t Jim Lehrer’s fault for letting Romney expound; Obama got more time (four minutes more) than Romney. Besides, it’s not the moderator’s job to call a debater out on questionable assertions. It’s the opponent’s job.
Yes, it wasn’t the best atmospherics for Obama to look down, purse his lips, appear distracted, while Romney was attentive, engaged, relaxed. But this was much more than atmospherics. This was about one candidate who came with a frame for the evening, and who was prepared to engage on every question; and another who, perhaps because of his documented faith in his own abilities, felt he could wing it with snatches of familiar verbiage.
Most surprising, the whole evening felt as if Obama thought he was back in 2008, needing only to demonstrate a sense of cool, calm collectedness to persuade the voters that they could do what they desperately wanted to do: change course.
There was barely a moment when Obama offered any sense that he was prepared to challenge Romney on his weakest point: who does the Republican presidential nominee speak for? How much (or little) does he understand where the country is, how it got here?
Even on the most basic political points, Obama seemed clueless. When you argue as a Democrat that you and your Republican opponent share wide areas of agreement on Social Security—especially when recipients make up a chunk of Romney’s “47 percent” of indolent spongers—you have thrown in a fistful of high cards.
What remains is one key question that the next 48 to 72 hours will answer: Did this debate change the minds of significant numbers of voters? Assuming that the flash polls are right—that most viewers thought Romney won the debate—did they regard that as a loss for “their” team, or did it persuade some of them to change their minds about whom they are supporting,
One of the enduring myths of campaign analysis is that you can actually count the number of “undecided” voters by asking voters if they are undecided or not. Sometimes, significant numbers of voters actually change their minds. That’s how Reagan turned a small lead into a landslide in 1980. It’s how Gore won the popular vote in 2000, and how Kerry got back into the race in 2004.
If this debate—as one-sided as any I have ever seen—does not change the landscape, if Obama retains a small but measurable lead, it means that the election is more or less over (barring some overwhelmingly consequential event), that voters have decided they are going to stick with the President. That is thin gruel on which the Obama campaign must dine for the next few days; but after this debacle, it’s the only sustenance on the menu.

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Re: Romney Beats Obama in First Debate - Analysts Say
« Reply #19 on: October 05, 2012, 12:09:20 PM »
...because romney was talking about facts, not falsehoods .
wala ko mag sulti nga si romney way falsehoods ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

aw, abi nakog sakto akong sabot sa imong prior statement, as quoted. ;D

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« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2012, 12:20:17 PM »
aw, abi nakog sakto akong sabot sa imong prior statement, as quoted. ;D
syaro na pod nga wa nimo masabti. ang ahong gi sulti mas daghan ug tinood ang ka romney sagolan ug gamay nga botbot. ka obama mas daghan ang botbot gamay ra ang tinood. lisod jud ning abogado atong kontra. isalander uses my own words to get back at me. mora ni sija ug si obama. pero sa round 1 wa na jud ma gamit ni barako ang tam-is nijang dila kay ang mga tinood nga sulti ni romney di man jud mabawi. watch out for round 2 kay basin ma usab ang strategy ni obama. the president did not do his homework. kompyansa sija ba. nga madala lang gihapon ug mga pasalig nga bakak. im not putting obama down. he is a very excellent liar. so round 2 should be more interesting

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« Reply #21 on: October 05, 2012, 01:10:34 PM »
President Barack Obama's own supporters roundly panned his performance in Wednesday night's debate with Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, expressing surprise and confusion as to where their political champion disappeared to for 90 minutes in Denver.

"I love Obama. He's awesome. But he could have been a little bit better," said Sam Johnson, 18, an engineering student at the University of Wisconsin who attended a rally here Thursday afternoon with about other 30,000 supporters.

Karen Essex, a fifty-something who came to the rally with her husband Mark, was harsher.

"I watched the first ten minutes and then I had to turn it off, because I didn't really think Obama showed up to debate it," Essex said. "Romney did show up. I actually turned it off."

Essex said Obama won her over in 2008 with his debate performances against John McCain, the Republican candidate four years ago. But she said she was "surprised" and "disappointed" by Obama's performance on Wednesday night.

"I was like, 'I can't watch this,'" she said.


In Denver, Blaise Turner, a 29-year old painter and sculptor, said he saw the same contrast between the two men on the stage.

"As for Romney, I thought last night was the first time that he seemed like he really wanted to be the president, or really wanted the job. I was like, 'Oh that's what the big difference was,'" Turner said. "For the first time he showed that he really wants it, so people are taking him more seriously because of that."

Turner, like all the other Obama supporters who spoke with The Huffington Post, said he was still fully behind the president. But Dan Doeppers, a retired professor at UW who knocked on doors for Obama in 2008, said he thought the debate "may have had some impact on uncommitted people."

"The president seemed under-energized, and in particular, he didn't really go on attack mode, and we were looking, we the faithful, who worked very hard for him four years ago, for that," he said.

Carol Doeppers, his wife, and a former state chair for Common Cause, said she "missed [Obama's] fire in the belly."

"There wasn't that fire, and Mitt had it," she said. "We can only hope that he gets the real aggressive force behind him again. But last night was a down night."

Charlene Harjo, a 55-year-old kindergarten and first grade teacher in Denver, said "Obama didn't put his dukes on."

"Romney didn't do nothing but fidget around. Was he more fired up to attack? Yeah, he was. So in that regards I will give him the fact that he won, but he didn't say nothing about his plan," Harjo said.

Harjo had some advice for Obama.

"In the next debate I want him to put his gloves on. I want him not to be a gentleman no more, and fire back at him," she said. "It's time for you to fight back and say this is what you are and this is what you've done."

The only people who spoke with HuffPost and who did not rule the debate a Romney victory were a 13-year old boy and a 46-year old undecided voter, both of them at the Denver rally.

"I think that Mitt Romney just made a fool of himself. He danced around all the questions and he overstepped his two minute line," said Ryan Stevens, 13, of Denver. "He just says, 'Oh I have a plan.' He has no explanation."

Edward Choury, 46, a wastewater plant operator who came to the Denver rally with his college-age daughter, said he didn't think either candidate won.

"I thought they were pretty even," said Choury, who voted for Obama in 2008.

Choury said he wanted more specifics from both candidates on what they would do about the budget deficit and the tax code.

"Get rid of these deficits, handle these deficits ... whether it's cutting spending, you know, or increasing taxes. I have no problem with paying more taxes if that's what it goes for," Choury said. "And then just how the tax code, how each one of them's going to change the tax code to where I bring home more of my paycheck so I can afford gas, afford food, afford electricity."

Choury also said he is concerned about the rising cost of higher education. His oldest is in college, and he has two more children younger than her. Choury said he was undecided, but sounded like he was leaning toward voting for Obama again.

"I'm not disappointed with him but I just want to know more specifically how these next four years ... what he's going to do in order to keep it going," he said. "I think the last four years, when he was first elected, we were in bad shape as a country. I think he's done an all right job where we are today. But I want to know another four years what can we expect."


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Re: Romney Beats Obama in First Debate - Analysts Say
« Reply #22 on: October 05, 2012, 01:54:53 PM »
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Re: Romney Beats Obama in First Debate - Analysts Say
« Reply #23 on: October 05, 2012, 02:18:16 PM »
i repeat again for the third thrice. ;D

sa reply #7, mao ni imong claim:

pero na lopig sija ni romney because romney was talking about facts, not falsehoods .

sa reply #13, mao na ni:

pareha ni silang duha si romney ug si obama. mixing facts and falsehoods.

those are the only reasons why i concluded nga nausab na ang estorya.  nag-tally na ka sa reply#13 (and i would presume the list of facts is right in front of you to be able to do this) kun kinsay mas daghan ug botbot nilang duha.  karon, mabasol pa ba ko nimo kun moingon kog nausab ang estorya? 

buot lang pod nakong ipaibot nimo nga way daotan kun mausab ang estorya.  mausab man gani ang panahon, labaw pa atong mga nawong, estorya pa ba kaha.  estoryaheeeee...   

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Re: Romney Beats Obama in First Debate - Analysts Say
« Reply #24 on: October 05, 2012, 07:48:27 PM »
when is round 2, balong?
naka limot na ko sa date. basta naa pay round 2 ug 3.

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