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The tragedy of monolingualism
« on: October 01, 2007, 10:21:55 AM »
If you know only English, what is the best way to understand the messages here?

Is there any automated translator for the languages used?

Why is it that people switch between English and this other language?  Why not just use English, since you all know it?

And what language is it, anyway?  Is it the Bohol-specific tongue or Tagalog/Filipino?   What would the best way for someone who is truly abysmal in languages other than English to learn it?

Many thanks, and I apologise in advance if this question is culturally offensive - it just makes you very difficult to understand, placing a barrier between us that I'd really not like to see.

Many thanks for your thoughts.

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Re: The tragedy of monolingualism
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2007, 10:28:11 AM »
Now that you are here, we will....

FYI, there were only two of you who are American that is why we spoke our dialect.... it was not even our national language....

But for you David, we will try our best...



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Re: The tragedy of monolingualism
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2007, 01:13:21 PM »
David this language is called Bisaya.

95% of the first postings are in English. Some would like to comment on these postings in Bisaya, though many of us here are writing in English.

There are three expats in this website. you are the fourth one. you may proceed to our expat section.

whenever and wherever you post something, we will make our comments in English.

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Re: The tragedy of monolingualism
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2007, 01:15:32 PM »
Many of us in this website are not based in Bohol but abroad.
Most are in Europe and in the U.S.

At times we miss to speak our own language because we are living in foreign lands, so we may be speaking Bisaya from time to time.

Be assured that in interacting with you, we will be using English at all times.

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Re: The tragedy of monolingualism
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2007, 01:20:27 PM »
Thank you, Bohol and Ma.  I really appreciate your kind hospitality in a world where I am undeniably an outsider.

Ah, that's an interesting point!  So you basically want to see and hear your language to emphasize your connection with Bohol while here?  Very interesting, thanks for that further contribution.

I am on about a billion Expat Yahoo groups.  I'm here because I'm interested in talking to Filipinos and understand their own feelings and problems.  And of course learning more about your beautiful island specifically.

Of course the question still stands - what would be the best way to learn Bisaya, at least a subset that would make it possible for me to understand some of the postings and therefore become less of an outsider?

And are there translation programs on the web somewhere that would let me type in Bisayan messages and see them in even some fractured form of English?

Thanks!

D

PS I really like the "a new reply has come, you might want to look at it before sending off your message" feature.  Very cool and something I have not seen before.

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Re: The tragedy of monolingualism
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2007, 01:27:00 PM »
David, there are not much resources about the Bisaya language both online and printed.

But I'm building an online learning center (for free) where people from all over the world can learn Bisaya in the Internet. I am even coming up with a poetry book in Bisaya.

This language is spoken by more than 30 million Filipinos in the Philippines and abroad (Australia's population is less than 25 million). But our government is Manila-based (sort of Washington-based) and officials don't care much about our Bisaya language.

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Re: The tragedy of monolingualism
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2007, 01:54:04 PM »
Good Evening Mr. Dennis,

Thank you for your interest in Bohol, Philippines and your yearning to understand the native dialect. If you would like to learn how to speak and read Bisaya, feel free to ask any of us in here, and I'm sure we'd gladly translate and help you learn.

So where do you hail from, Mr. Dennis? (If you don't mind me asking, that is).

With warm regards,

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Re: The tragedy of monolingualism
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2007, 02:18:15 PM »
This language is spoken by more than 30 million Filipinos in the Philippines and abroad (Australia's population is less than 25 million). But our government is Manila-based (sort of Washington-based) and officials don't care much about our Bisaya language.

From what I can see, Manila is proportionally like if New York City, Washington DC and Los Angeles were all smushed together into one enormous thing, and that enormous thing was very poorly planned and pollution left to spread out of control.  I kind of like the crazy unregulated feel but the traffic strikes me as something that would take a lifetime to master, and life is really too short for that.  Should the Philippines be run from Manila?  I really don't think so, personally.  I think decentralization should be encouraged.

So I am actually a little confused about this.  I know there is a Cebu Language, a Negros language and I assumed Bisayan was yet another language.  And yet I thought the population of the Philippines was about 80 million.  Is Bisayan simply the language of the Visayas, being Cebu, Negros, Bohol and a few smaller islands?  And if so why do they each have their own different names for the language?

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Re: The tragedy of monolingualism
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2007, 02:23:35 PM »
Good Evening Mr. Dennis,

Thank you for your interest in Bohol, Philippines and your yearning to understand the native dialect. If you would like to learn how to speak and read Bisaya, feel free to ask any of us in here, and I'm sure we'd gladly translate and help you learn.

So where do you hail from, Mr. Dennis? (If you don't mind me asking, that is).

With warm regards,

I hail from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, a region that gets very gloomy and depressing during the season we call "winter".  In this "winter" the leaves drop from the trees and they become bare and gloomy.  The weather turns grim and something called "snow" sometimes falls down from the sky.  It becomes very cold, like the inside of your freezer.  Sometimes even colder.

I really, really, really hate this "winter".  It is not enjoyable.  Therefore, I wish to spend time elsewhere, like in the Philippines.  You should understand that if I wanted to get a house near the water or with a water view in a climate in the US without this "winter", I would spend around US$1,000,000, or 45 million pesos, for even the cheapest one. 

I don't have 45 million pesos :-(.

So you can see the Philippines has an enormous appeal since houses by the water cost far less than that to buy and proportionately far less to rent, too.  And the weather is almost always nice, without this awful "winter".

My basic idea is to develop a business based on online advertising based on the US and use the money to settle in the Philippines.  So you can see I'm not  trying to start a business in the Philippines, which I know is virtually impossible to do successfully.

Hope that was interesting.

D



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Re: The tragedy of monolingualism
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2007, 02:25:53 PM »
Dennis, you know a great deal about the Philippines, sir. The Visayan language group is considered part of the larger Austronesian language family, but it is a sub-part of the Malayo-Polynesiac lingual group.
The term 'Visayan/Bisayan' is a broad generalization of the dialects spoken in the Central Visayas and parts of Mindanao, tho there are variances in words and particulates as well as predicates, overall, the verbatum is similar.

The term Cebuano or Sinugbuano (cebu dialect) is traditionally considered central-Visayan dialect, the dialect spoken in the island of Bohol is practically similar to Cebuano, tho it has some differences in wording--overall tho it is similar. If one masters to speak the Cebuano dialect--you can basically go anywhere in the central visayas, communicate with people and get to your intended locale.

And yes you are right, sir, Bisayan is the language of the visayas (including cebu, bohol, negros, leyte, siqijor, mindanao etc) albeit there are minor variances in predicates from region to region in the central visayas.



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Re: The tragedy of monolingualism
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2007, 02:27:36 PM »
I hail from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, a region that gets very gloomy and depressing during the season we call "winter".  In this "winter" the leaves drop from the trees and they become bare and gloomy.  The weather turns grim and something called "snow" sometimes falls down from the sky.  It becomes very cold, like the inside of your freezer.  Sometimes even colder.

I really, really, really hate this "winter".  It is not enjoyable.  Therefore, I wish to spend time elsewhere, like in the Philippines.  You should understand that if I wanted to get a house near the water or with a water view in a climate in the US without this "winter", I would spend around US$1,000,000, or 45 million pesos, for even the cheapest one. 

I don't have 45 million pesos :-(.

So you can see the Philippines has an enormous appeal since houses by the water cost far less than that to buy and proportionately far less to rent, too.  And the weather is almost always nice, without this awful "winter".

My basic idea is to develop a business based on online advertising based on the US and use the money to settle in the Philippines.  So you can see I'm not  trying to start a business in the Philippines, which I know is virtually impossible to do successfully.

Hope that was interesting.

D



Oh really? Djit jet? Yinz doing good, right? hahahaha

Sir, i actually am currently 1 hour north of you. I'm a senior in Allegheny College in the town of Meadville, Pennsylvania. 30 minutes from Erie. hahahaha! Small world, mate.

I'm glad that you find interest and joy in the Philippines, and I hope that you get to visit our beautiful islands this summer or upcoming summers, (even winters) hahaha. If you ever need a tour around Bohol...im actually going back home to Bohol this summer 2008. I'd be more than happy to tour you around some towns and places in the island---or we can ask a member in this forum, Mr. Jun Ayag, who knows the island well would be a great source for information, if you need any.


Btw, what happened to our Steelers today???

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Re: The tragedy of monolingualism
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2007, 02:46:50 PM »
If you know only English, what is the best way to understand the messages here?

Is there any automated translator for the languages used?

Why is it that people switch between English and this other language?  Why not just use English, since you all know it?

And what language is it, anyway?  Is it the Bohol-specific tongue or Tagalog/Filipino?   What would the best way for someone who is truly abysmal in languages other than English to learn it?

Many thanks, and I apologise in advance if this question is culturally offensive - it just makes you very difficult to understand, placing a barrier between us that I'd really not like to see.

Many thanks for your thoughts.

D

mr Dennis, some of us here just have our chance to speak Bisaya being away from the country. and even when we meet Filipinos abroad, still its not an assurance that we can use the language since Philippines has so much dialects. its good to be conversing with fellow Bisaya. it feels like home.

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« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2007, 03:31:54 PM »

So you can see the Philippines has an enormous appeal since houses by the water cost far less than that to buy and proportionately far less to rent, too.  And the weather is almost always nice, without this awful "winter".


Dennis, many of us in the Philippines dream of touching snow and playing with it. :)

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Re: The tragedy of monolingualism
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2007, 03:36:23 PM »
Dennis, many of us in the Philippines dream of touching snow and playing with it. :)

when i eat halo halo, im thinking of snow. i love the heat but would also very much like to experience snow for a change

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Re: The tragedy of monolingualism
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2007, 11:00:36 PM »
Ah, so many want to experience what they have not!  It's rather endearing, actually.

My mother was from Florida (a warm state) and my father from New Jersey (a cold state).  They settled in Massachusetts, also a cold state.  So I have lived half my life in cold climates and pretty much know what I think of them :-).  I'm afraid I must have Floridian blood in me since I really and truly hate the cold with a passion.  If you're used to a tropical climate, I would think cold and snow would be an absolute nightmare in practice, even if it's interesting to experience during a few days' visit.

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Re: The tragedy of monolingualism
« Reply #15 on: October 01, 2007, 11:11:19 PM »
David, I used to live in LA and moved here in  Michigan, and this will be my second winter...

It was exciting for me to see the snow, sense i never had experienced it in LA and in my country... but i got tired of it after a while... i had to be home all the time because im still not so used to drive in the snow...

By the way we went to Valley forge last March and then there was a snow storm... ( think that was the last snow storm)

I was stuck in the hotel room when my banana was playing pool...

By the way do u know any place where we could get oysters in Phila??? we will be going back there in March, again ::)

hope it would be sunny...

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Re: The tragedy of monolingualism
« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2007, 04:32:29 AM »
It was exciting for me to see the snow, sense i never had experienced it in LA and in my country... but i got tired of it after a while... i had to be home all the time because im still not so used to drive in the snow...
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By the way do u know any place where we could get oysters in Phila??? we will be going back there in March, again ::)


You should be here in the Pittsburgh area right now.  The weather's perfect - high 70s and a beautiful breeze that if I close my eyes reminds me of the ocean breeze you get on a Philippine island or in Florida.

What made you go from LA to Michigan?  I had to leave LA when I got laid off, due to the incredibly high cost of living there.  I really miss it, and to add insult to injury if I'd only held on to my house it would have appreciated by another $100k :-(.

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Re: The tragedy of monolingualism
« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2007, 07:58:06 AM »
I believe you...

Where were you in LA?

I found a man from Michigan, that's why...
no regrets though, he kept me warm all the time,
even to those on humid days hahaha

We had been having nice 70's here few days ago, but today was gloamy and it rained a bit...


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Re: The tragedy of monolingualism
« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2007, 08:09:58 AM »
Oh really? Djit jet? Yinz doing good, right? hahahaha

Sir, i actually am currently 1 hour north of you. I'm a senior in Allegheny College in the town of Meadville, Pennsylvania. 30 minutes from Erie. hahahaha! Small world, mate.

Btw, what happened to our Steelers today???

Regards,
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I have to figure out when I plan to visit and at that time it will be useful to have a contact or two about rental houses and the like.  I'd like to find something with a great ocean view, Internet access and access to the water, at a reasonable rate. 

I've been in Pittsburgh for two years.  I really hate those Pittsburghese terms since I think of them as a perversion of the type of English I normally like to speak.  But I appreciate the gesture in using them to show you can identify with the area :-).

I'm afraid I have never really felt at home here and so I'm always trying to figure out a cost-effective way to leave without spending the huge sums needed to live in places like South Florida, which climate-wise are far more appealing to me.

If you're ever near the Southern part of the Pittsburgh area, let me know and maybe we can do lunch.

Thanks for writing!

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Re: The tragedy of monolingualism
« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2007, 08:14:50 AM »
I believe you...

Where were you in LA?

I found a man from Michigan, that's why...
no regrets though, he kept me warm all the time,
even to those on humid days hahaha

We had been having nice 70's here few days ago, but today was gloamy and it rained a bit...


Woodland Hills, California in the San Fernando Valley.  I had a little house perched near the top of the hill, which is about my ideal way of living.  It would have been perfect if it was near the ocean but that would have been way too expensive.

I was lucky to get for $425,000.  It was the cheapest single family house in the area at the time I bought it. 

Now I'm associated with the haunted attraction I run with a partner.  If anyone here's in the Pittsburgh area you should check it out :-).

http://www.demonhouse.com/
http://www.amazing.com/communities/show/48

I actually discovered this forum on my iPhone yesterday during my breaks in acting as the Mad Scientist!

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« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2007, 08:16:11 AM »
I have to figure out when I plan to visit and at that time it will be useful to have a contact or two about rental houses and the like.  I'd like to find something with a great ocean view, Internet access and access to the water, at a reasonable rate. 

I've been in Pittsburgh for two years.  I really hate those Pittsburghese terms since I think of them as a perversion of the type of English I normally like to speak.  But I appreciate the gesture in using them to show you can identify with the area :-).

I'm afraid I have never really felt at home here and so I'm always trying to figure out a cost-effective way to leave without spending the huge sums needed to live in places like South Florida, which climate-wise are far more appealing to me.

If you're ever near the Southern part of the Pittsburgh area, let me know and maybe we can do lunch.

Thanks for writing!

D



Hi buddy,

Hahaha im sorry about the 'pittsburghese', i felt the same way you do when i first came here in Allegheny and met pittsburghers...its wierd because im actually using their terminology in increasing frequency whenever im back home in jersey. And my friends back home get annoyed by that hahaha. So you're in southern pittsburgh area? Do you live close by Monroeville and Shaler area, Cranberry area?
I'd love to do lunch some time--actually ill be down there in a few weeks for some interviews.

Feel free to message me anytime.


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Re: The tragedy of monolingualism
« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2007, 08:18:20 AM »
Guys what is Pittsburghese terms ???

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« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2007, 08:27:03 AM »
Hey Ate,

Some pittsburghese terms are "Jeetjet" which is a local phrasing for "did you eat yet?" Another include:

Yinz = You all/ Y'all
Keller = Color
Kaach= couch
dahntahn= downtown
gumban = rubber band
jumbo = baloney
chipped = ham
crick = creek
worsh = wash
pop = soda
sweeper = can be used for vacuum or broom
jnt igl = (say this fast) it refers to "Giant Eagle" a popular local grocery store chain. LOL
sathsid = south side

Here are just examples.LOL!




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Re: The tragedy of monolingualism
« Reply #23 on: October 02, 2007, 08:34:14 AM »
Guys what is Pittsburghese terms ???

Think of it as Pittsburgh's version of Bisayan.  It a language which contains additional words that makes Pittsburgh people feel at home.  Our friend Lorenzo's dictionary is, of course, accurate.

I guess language as social clique is more common than I had thought.

Since I am basically a cosmopolitan man of the world (one reason I don't fit well in provincial Pittsburgh), I don't like Pittsburghese.

But I do appreciate Lorenzo's use of the local dialect to identify himself as a member of the tribe, even though I'm not really a member of that tribe.

A disadvantage of being a cosmopolitan man of the world is that I have no roots and no real bonding with people.  I think this is something I am looking to discover in the Philippines because when I was there I felt much more connected with the local people than I ever did with Americans.

D

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Re: The tragedy of monolingualism
« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2007, 08:36:15 AM »
...and what made you move there??? hmmm?

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Re: The tragedy of monolingualism
« Reply #25 on: October 02, 2007, 08:43:32 AM »
...and what made you move there??? hmmm?

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Economic disaster.  I lost my job and thanks to my lack of connections, could not find a new one fast enough to be able to afford to stay.  I had a friend in Pittsburgh with a job lined up for me and so here I am.

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Re: The tragedy of monolingualism
« Reply #26 on: October 02, 2007, 08:55:09 AM »
And now you're a TB resident, Dave. Addiction will take place soon, haha, but you're in good company, sir. Good company.

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Re: The tragedy of monolingualism
« Reply #27 on: October 02, 2007, 09:06:44 AM »
Economic disaster.  I lost my job and thanks to my lack of connections, could not find a new one fast enough to be able to afford to stay.  I had a friend in Pittsburgh with a job lined up for me and so here I am.

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That's really bad Dave, I have friends who experienced that same kind of thing... and LA is so expensive place to live.

Anyway, enjoy your stay here in TB... people here are very nice...

dont hesitate to ask someone to interpret things for you...

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Re: The tragedy of monolingualism
« Reply #28 on: January 13, 2009, 06:40:34 PM »
After reading what Mr. David posted, I am very happy that I know abit of 2 other languages. Even if Bilingualism is also related to a later onset of Alzheimer's.

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