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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #200 on: March 17, 2009, 12:26:15 PM »
niangkon na ka nga ungoy ka.

ako wa pa, ug dili jud ko muangkon. hahaha

admission against self interest man na, glacier! (now i sound like a lawyer)

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« Reply #201 on: March 17, 2009, 08:14:51 PM »
niangkon na ka nga ungoy ka.

ako wa pa, ug dili jud ko muangkon. hahaha

admission against self interest man na, glacier! (now i sound like a lawyer)

ang wa nimo pag-angkon wa man na makawala kung unsay tinood, di ba atty. U? hahaha


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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #203 on: March 23, 2009, 07:46:35 AM »
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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #204 on: March 23, 2009, 08:21:20 AM »
ang pagka 51st state!

no wisdom kay trilion dollars ang utang ng US! Jezzzz!

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #205 on: March 23, 2009, 11:50:33 AM »
there wouldn't be enough space for another star in the US flag. let's forget it. and focus our national development instead.

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« Reply #206 on: March 23, 2009, 12:20:53 PM »
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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #207 on: March 23, 2009, 02:14:41 PM »
Namaligya naman gani ang ug Submarino diri sa Asia kay wala nay sapi ang US, nagsalig nalang gud na sila sa Asia, unya magsakup na hinoon dakong dimalas kong mauhon na.

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #208 on: March 24, 2009, 01:20:40 AM »
let's just keep our friendly relations with the US. that will do.

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #209 on: March 24, 2009, 01:27:10 AM »
let's just keep our friendly relations with the US. that will do.

that's right but never to expect that greater Filipinos likes to be a part of USA, it will never and never happen, east has east culture.

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #210 on: March 24, 2009, 09:09:18 AM »
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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #211 on: March 24, 2009, 10:03:28 AM »
hell no to US nevah n evah!

Wad, ako sad banana kay nevah to Flipins sad!

hahahhaahha

huy honest malipay baja mamati ang Merika ana kay dili man jud sila mo sakop na sa Flipins kay humana ilang tujo sa una noh? wa pa mo mangatawo! and that was our lumber!!!

marama man jud ang Merika! ilang giamigo si Uncle Marcos until nahuman ilang tujo, pagka coup de etat bitaw wa man nila tabangi si Uncle Makoy!

mahay si Melda!

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #212 on: March 24, 2009, 10:11:31 AM »
i think the feeling is mutual. they don't want to get married. kabit-kabit lang ilang gusto.

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #213 on: March 24, 2009, 10:13:33 AM »
i think the feeling is mutual. they don't want to get married. kabit-kabit lang ilang gusto.


mas lami Glace di ba? hahahahha



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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #214 on: March 24, 2009, 10:26:31 AM »

mas lami Glace di ba? hahahahha



lami kay tago-tago man. thrilling. samot nag og gamay rag time, suliton jud tanang segundo. mao pod ang US-Phils...hahahahaha.

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #215 on: March 24, 2009, 10:27:00 AM »
lol. I love the colorful discourse in this thread. I love reading the responses.

As of right now the US has no interest in making the Philippines a state. Right now, too much problems to worry about. The relationship between Manila and Washington will remain: Strategic Allies.

90 million mouths to feed would be a strategic problem, right now. Considering the economic situation.

But who knows. 50-100 years from now, will be a different story.

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #216 on: March 24, 2009, 10:43:51 AM »
i don't care if they remain close "friends" so long as US will be answerable in case Phils gets pregnant. lol

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #217 on: March 24, 2009, 10:53:23 AM »
kana noon naa jud manubag Glace! di na jud na pwede layas-layasan kay ang tatay nga bisan nag tapis ra to ug patadyung nga nag bitbit ug sundang mo dasdas jud!

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #218 on: March 24, 2009, 11:08:50 AM »
ang nakafait kay kining bayahana mosugot ra bag pabikangkangon nya oko ra sad layas-layasan...hahahaha.

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« Reply #219 on: March 24, 2009, 11:13:24 AM »
hahahhaha! na unsa naman ta ani Glace!

murag loose na kaajo ang screws sa atong utok!

hahhahahahh

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #220 on: March 24, 2009, 12:23:26 PM »
mdb,

ang helicopter gigamit ni mckoy ug meldy paglayas sa malacanang kay US man to. basin they want to get rid of him na sad.

but history would have been more colorful had the Americans left Marcos to defend himself against the rioting mob of edsa 1, hahaha.

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #221 on: March 24, 2009, 01:44:31 PM »
mdb,

ang helicopter gigamit ni mckoy ug meldy paglayas sa malacanang kay US man to. basin they want to get rid of him na sad.

but history would have been more colorful had the Americans left Marcos to defend himself againstthe rioting mob of edsa 1, hahaha.

marcos could have defended if kung wa masayop ug dungog ang piloto. hehehe

 ingon man jud ang piloto nga where will you like to go,sir.  ingon pod si Marcos Bring me to Paoay.  ok sir hawaii it is... ;D

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #222 on: March 24, 2009, 03:22:56 PM »
naay istorya, sa dihang milupad na helicopter from malacanang grounds sakay ang former dictator ug ang immediate family. nag dictate si macoy sa piloto:

macoy - "BRING ME TO PAOAY!!*%#!!!"

sa taliwa sa kagubot ug kaalingogngog. ang nadungog sa piloto, hawaii instead of paoay, ilocos norte...... the rest is history.....

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #223 on: March 24, 2009, 03:28:31 PM »
i don't care if they remain close "friends" so long as US will be answerable in case Phils gets pregnant. lol

lol i love your use of figurative language, Glace.

Poet jud ka. ;D

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #224 on: March 24, 2009, 03:32:29 PM »
mdb,

ang helicopter gigamit ni mckoy ug meldy paglayas sa malacanang kay US man to. basin they want to get rid of him na sad.

but history would have been more colorful had the Americans left Marcos to defend himself against the rioting mob of edsa 1, hahaha.

Marcos in the end did control himself and showed his brilliancy in the very end. the mob were rioting, the Army was called out to put them down--via live fire.

Marcos, seeing the inevitability, instead of brutally putting down the protests by force, he acquiesced to the will of the people.

A true Machiavellian ruler, yet with the realism of Thomas Paine and Locke.



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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #225 on: March 24, 2009, 03:59:21 PM »
and a fake one who faked his ww2 medals. he was warned by reagan not to use arm my friend.

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #226 on: March 24, 2009, 04:03:15 PM »
these marcos loving pipol are mislead by history. thats the marcos power to mislead his pipol and brought them to missery while enriching himself.

do you know that phil. national bank in his time seemed that he own it?

anong taon ka nang ngayari ito? nandito kaba ng namuno sya?

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #227 on: March 24, 2009, 04:08:25 PM »
minsan kasi akala natin na ang mga taong nagsalita ay akala mo kasama sila o nandito sila nong mga araw nayun. oo, kasama sa mga crony nga nag enjoy that dictatorship power and enriching themslves at nalasing sa kapangyarihan with the expense sa freedom of political prisoners at sa mga negosyo na kinuha nila!....

pwera gaba uy!

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #228 on: March 24, 2009, 04:09:22 PM »
these marcos loving pipol are mislead by history. thats the marcos power to mislead his pipol and brought them to missery while enriching himself.

do you know that phil. national bank in his time seemed that he own it?

anong taon ka nang ngayari ito? nandito kaba ng namuno sya?

Nahinumdom ka ba niadto kong ang Cedula (residence certificate) expire na unya ma check point ka ipakaon ang expire cedula sa tag-iya. kana nakita ko lang kay gamay pa ko niadtong panahona during matial law.

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #229 on: March 24, 2009, 04:11:09 PM »
oo datz. daghang pilipino nga mga bright pero bolok ug gahig olo diay..... sayang no?

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« Reply #230 on: March 24, 2009, 04:26:57 PM »
I remember reading an article written by one of my professors several years back (during undergraduate years) that related the rule of Marcos with that of Robespierre's Administration in Revolutionary France. The romanticization of Robespierre and Marcos in their defiant hold of power, and the damage done to the people for the belief of national solidarity.

I wish I could find a copy of that article, so I could share it.

sige, lets move on na lang since this is a sensitive topic for some.

Peace with you Buwad. Ayaw lang pa suko, ha.

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« Reply #231 on: March 24, 2009, 04:46:25 PM »
This is an interesting article that reiterates the view of the American President, William McKinley. A pro-Imperialist and supporter of American Manifest Destiny. In regards to The Philippines.

I want you guys to read it and give a response.




Manifest Destiny, Continued: McKinley Defends U.S. Expansionism

In 1899 Americans divided sharply over whether to annex the Philippines. Annexationists and anti-annexationists, despite their differences, generally agreed that the U.S. needed opportunities for commercial expansion but disagreed over how to achieve that goal. Few believed that the Philippines themselves offered a crucial commercial advantage to the U.S., but many saw them as a crucial way station to Asia. “Had we no interests in China,” noted one advocate of annexation, “the possession of the Philippines would be meaningless.” In the Paris Peace negotiations, President William McKinley demanded the Philippines to avoid giving them back to Spain or allowing a third power to take them. One explanation of his reasoning came from this report of a delegation of Methodist church leaders. The emphasis on McKinley’s religious inspiration for his imperialist commitments may have been colored by the religious beliefs of General James Rusling. But Rusling’s account of the islands, falling unbidden on the U.S., and the arguments for taking the islands reflect McKinley’s official correspondence on the topic. McKinley disingenuously disavowed the U.S. military action that brought the Philippines under U.S. control, and acknowledged, directly and indirectly, the equally powerful forces of racism, nationalism, and especially commercialism, that shaped American actions.

The Message From Pres. McKinley:

Hold a moment longer! Not quite yet, gentlemen! Before you go I would like to say just a word about the Philippine business. I have been criticized a good deal about the Philippines, but don’t deserve it. The truth is I didn’t want the Philippines, and when they came to us, as a gift from the gods, I did not know what to do with them. When the Spanish War broke out Dewey was at Hongkong, and I ordered him to go to Manila and to capture or destroy the Spanish fleet, and he had to; because, if defeated, he had no place to refit on that side of the globe, and if the Dons were victorious they would likely cross the Pacific and ravage our Oregon and California coasts. And so he had to destroy the Spanish fleet, and did it! But that was as far as I thought then.

When I next realized that the Philippines had dropped into our laps I confess I did not know what to do with them. I sought counsel from all sides—Democrats as well as Republicans—but got little help. I thought first we would take only Manila; then Luzon; then other islands perhaps also. I walked the floor of the White House night after night until midnight; and I am not ashamed to tell you, gentlemen, that I went down on my knees and prayed Almighty God for light and guidance more than one night. And one night late it came to me this way—I don’t know how it was, but it came: (1) That we could not give them back to Spain—that would be cowardly and dishonorable; (2) that we could not turn them over to France and Germany—our commercial rivals in the Orient—that would be bad business and discreditable; (3) that we could not leave them to themselves—they were unfit for self-government—and they would soon have anarchy and misrule over there worse than Spain’s was; and (4) that there was nothing left for us to do but to take them all, and to educate the Filipinos, and uplift and civilize and Christianize them, and by God’s grace do the very best we could by them, as our fellow-men for whom Christ also died. And then I went to bed, and went to sleep, and slept soundly, and the next morning I sent for the chief engineer of the War Department (our map-maker), and I told him to put the Philippines on the map of the United States (pointing to a large map on the wall of his office), and there they are, and there they will stay while I am President!

http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5575/

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #232 on: March 24, 2009, 05:08:17 PM »

but the reality is why is that the US will not leave Subic and Angeles military bases? they even pay rent inorder to stay on the islands. only mt. pinatubo gave the final order and these afraid americans went home hurriedly leaving behind prostitution, venerial disease, drug use and an industruial waste they did not care to clean. now, they're coming back again using the visiting forces agreement alibi.

pipol here are shouting - "YANKEE GO HOME!!!" and these voices are getting louder each year.
   


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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #233 on: March 24, 2009, 05:09:33 PM »

I thought that was true, during the time that geater Filipinos (poor filipinos) did an underground movement against them 'the americans and the Pro-Am) in the Philippines.

But, in this generation very different it's a reverse situation happened in the Philippines,  why?  because the role of America now in the Philippine it seems an  undercover, they are moving here in the Philippine through underground movement.

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #234 on: March 24, 2009, 05:11:42 PM »
but the reality is why is that the US will not leave Subic and Angeles military bases? they even pay rent inorder to stay on the islands. only mt. pinatubo gave the final order and these afraid americans went home hurriedly leaving behind prostitution, venerial disease, drug use and an industruial waste they did not care to clean. now, they're coming back again using the visiting forces agreement alibi.

pipol here are shouting - "YANKEE GO HOME!!!" and these voices are getting louder each year.
  


Buwad, The United States will never leave the Philippines. That is the truth.

Strategically, way too important for the US.



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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #235 on: March 24, 2009, 05:13:13 PM »
Interesting point, Datu. Perhaps you want to start a new thread on the Philippine-American War?

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #236 on: March 24, 2009, 05:19:26 PM »
datu/lorenzo, all i can say is these americans are like count draculas they will not leave us alone here until they'll suck dry all our pilipino blood.

toso! 

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #237 on: March 24, 2009, 05:21:56 PM »
Buwad, even though I may not agree with your statement, I will respect your point of view.

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #238 on: March 24, 2009, 05:29:25 PM »

Imagine, who is supplying modern Guns and Ammunitions to the anti-Philippine Gov’t and other lawless elements in the country? 

Everybody believe that America did these matters but they don’t have evidence tungod kay gihimo nila pasikreto. 


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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #239 on: March 24, 2009, 05:35:27 PM »
these insurgents are using m16s!!! Jesus. to the americans it's business!

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #240 on: March 24, 2009, 08:33:40 PM »
I thought that was true, during the time that geater Filipinos (poor filipinos) did an underground movement against them 'the americans and the Pro-Am) in the Philippines.

But, in this generation very different it's a reverse situation happened in the Philippines,  why?  because the role of America now in the Philippine it seems an  undercover, they are moving here in the Philippine through underground movement.

that's what i said. they like each other, they want each other but the odds of having a total union are next to impossible. it's like Martin Nievera marrying Oprah. so? he takes her as his "mistress" instead..He doesn't need to walk the Lady to the aisle of marriage coz he could still have her anyway, whatever way. she is too beautiful to be left behind, and he is too powerful to ignore.

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #241 on: April 09, 2009, 11:33:25 AM »
Imagine, who is supplying modern Guns and Ammunitions to the anti-Philippine Gov’t and other lawless elements in the country? 

Everybody believe that America did these matters but they don’t have evidence tungod kay gihimo nila pasikreto. 


Who is supplying guns and ammunition to insurgents? These insurgents are interesting because they operate like a corporation; they fight military units, but only in isolated cases, never too daunting or wide-scale for fear of massive losses.

And if the opportunity provides, will capture civilians (usually foreign) to be ransomed.

Please read strategic forums and online journals.

The greatest supporter for the MNLF and Abu Sayaff groups are private contributors from Malaysia and Indonesia. The islamofascism that is sent to the Philippines is that of a Malaysian-Indonesian origin.

Please read more into Islamiyaah Jeremiah.

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #242 on: April 13, 2009, 09:16:38 AM »
islamiyah, al queda or abus or bayuts its still m16's american guns manufactired by the americans. thats american bizness! the buck stops there! 

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #243 on: April 13, 2009, 11:27:45 AM »
islamiyah, al queda or abus or bayuts its still m16's american guns manufactired by the americans. thats american bizness! the buck stops there! 

Buwad, do you even research ?

I mean, for you to say that without any research is quite absurd. The Abu Sayyaf is listed as a terrorist group by the United States government and NATO allies. Terrorist funding is restricted.

Additionally, the weapons these insurgents have are all purchased FROM sympathetic Malaysian and Indonesia members of Islamiyah Jeremiah. Many of whom donate weapons. Additionally, most of the weapons are also stolen from Philippine Army munitions and or taken from dead Filipino soldiers.

I really do hope you're not sympathetic towards these Muslim separatists.

May the Iron Hammer of the Armed Forces of the Philippines crush them.



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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #244 on: April 13, 2009, 11:38:44 AM »
islamiyah, al queda or abus or bayuts its still m16's american guns manufactired by the americans. thats american bizness! the buck stops there! 

Actually the buck stops no where.

We are living in a capitalistic society, one can even argue hedonism, but that is a topic for another day.

The point is, Buwad, that the United States cannot be blamed for selling weapons to allied nations and friendly nations. Thats the beauty and absolution of capitalism. What the buyer nation does with the weapons it has purchased from the United States (either it be using for its military or selling it to paramilitary units and or subversive groups under the detection of foreign watch groups, is all at the discretion of the buyer nation).

In this case it relates to Malaysia and Indonesia.

Please research more about Pan-Malay Islamofascism. It is a product of Javanese militantism. IT calls for the destruction of the governments in Kuala Lumpur and Manila, and reclamation of all Malay Peoples under one Islamic Republic.

Its a terroristic subversice political concept that has flooded southern Philippines from Indonesia and Malaysia for decades now. Do you think Indonesia and Malaysia want a strong Philippines? Of course not. That would be detrimental to their own national security to have a strong (economic-military-political) Philippines.

Its simple strategy, my friend.

One that has been in effect for quite some time now.

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #245 on: April 13, 2009, 11:46:59 AM »
Let me give you a case point scenario, Buwad.

In the recent clashes between the AFP and MNLF forces, the peace process has always been under ushered by a 3rd party. Notice that it has always been Malaysia being that particular group.

I am not fond of the duplicity of the Malaysian government, as its tactics have manifested that for quite some time.

Prior to the peace process between MNLF and AFP forces, do you know where most of the MNLF recieved aid from? Take a big guess.

Yes, from private contributors in Malaysia. :)
And do you happen to know what the MNLF uses the funds for? For building schools and planting flowers? Oh no, definitely not. Arms purchases, my friend. Where do you think they recieve their RPGs, their AK47s, the stolen M16s, AR-33s and grenades? From funds given by 3rd parties.

Let us also remember the last clash the AFP had with the MNLF, where Filipino troops and officers were killed and beheaded. Do you think the MNLF merely left the rifles of the dead Filipino soldiers on the ground? As they lay? Of course not. They took their rifles, ammunition, munitions etc.

Its a cyclic process, Buwad.

The Philippines is at the mercy of duplicitous 3rd parties.


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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #246 on: April 13, 2009, 05:38:21 PM »
every bullet made every american gun manufactured and sold contributed to the american economy. thats the american military industrial complex!   

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #247 on: April 13, 2009, 05:42:32 PM »
Buwad, thats the capitalistic concept.

The Russians do the same, and more.

Who provides the uranium for nuclear technology to North Korea and Iran?
Russia, my friend.

Who provided the Vietnamese with arms? Russia.

Who provided the Arab nations with Mig-21s and missiles to be used against the Israelis in the 1967 War? And again in the 7 Day War?
Answer: Russia

What about the British? Do you know that they sell arms munitions? So do the Germans, The Spanish, The Japanese, The Koreans, and the Chinese.

Its a global continuum, Buwad. You cannot wipe all the blame in on one country when there is a multitude of nations that participates in the same capitalistic process.

And in this economic scenario, you cannot blame, because they follow the law of Mercantilism. Supply and Demand.

If there is a demand, there will, definitely, be a supply.

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #248 on: April 14, 2009, 08:44:43 AM »
in mindanao or south east asia where m16 is like a hot cake that can be sold everywhere. i can, yes we can blame the americans!

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #249 on: April 14, 2009, 08:47:23 AM »
But the M16 i produced by military plants all over the world, Buwad. License rights to produce them are acquired.

That's like us blaming the Wrights Brothers for all the airplane crashes because they invented the aero-plane in the early 20th century.

Your tactic is rather moot.

The violence should be placed on those who use the weapons for ill-intent. Claro que si?

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #250 on: April 14, 2009, 09:07:42 AM »
your example on erplain is way out of sense(sorry to tell you this). you better likened an M16 to a coke and that every bottle you open this unhealthy american made drink a portion  of the money when pipol buy it will be sent to america as a royalty fee.

claro m recto - a pilipino nationalist!

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #251 on: April 14, 2009, 09:38:32 AM »
Buwad, your blaming of the United States for such matters makes no sense.
Read your argument again, bud.

The United States does not produce all the M16s. It grants licenses to other nations to produce said weapons (and other units). The Philippine Army produces its own arms by acquiring military contracts and license from foreign arms providers.

What it does with it is at the discretion of the Philippines, and any other nation for that matter.

Its a business. It follows the rules of capitalism and mercantilism.

China, Russia, etc do the same.

Lets not be hypocritical, shall we?

And being a nationalist has nothing to do with this, its simple logic.

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #252 on: April 14, 2009, 09:49:37 AM »
I'm just speaking from my own Filipino American point of view, just think of how the current dialogue of "illlegal immigrants" (don't we call it 'TNT'?) will be heightened?

Just think, it was even hard to get a Hawaiian in office and people still demand a copy of Obama's birth certificate. 

I can only speak from the American side because our people who've experienced the Philippine system, at the end of the day, truly have the expertise to decide what is best for themselves.

In terms of US policy----I could see more debates rising in terms of social services, the issue of wealth disparity & universal healthcare will sky rocket. 

For example------How will the US dollar equalize the Philippine peso system?

There will be strong advocacy against accepting the Muslim autonomous region.  And there will be more incentive for more American corporations to carve out and gentrify places like Bohol's Chocolate Hills as our Appalachian Mountains faces.  My main point is power relationships will always exist.  That's my reality seeing different the development of different parts of the United States.  The South rural disinvestment to the industrial north, rising cost of living in US cities, will be magnified in a place that will model the statehood of Hawaii's "paradise".

On the other hand, I feel the US can learn so much from the Cooperative and participatory democracy models of the Philippines. I was sharing in my blog how even after Hurricane Katrina, we were arguing for similar region-wide legislation like the 1991 LGU code for the recovery of our cities like New Orleans and Mississippi Coast.  Local entities had no control of the Federal money for those intended.



Leo, about your question on the equalizing of the Dollar with the Peso:

The Netherlands also has oversees possesisons, particularly in the Caribbean. The islands of Curacao and Bonaire as well as Aruba are Dutch dependencies, and in these islands, they use the  Antillen Guilder, which has an exchange rate of 1 US dollar = 1.75 Antillean Guilder.

Though the Netherlands is part of the EU, the Euro isn't used in these islands as monetary unit. And the island of Bonaire, was ratified and declared a municipality of the Netherlands. They still use the Guilder, and the language spoken is Dutch, Papamientu (local dialect) as well as English and Spanish.

Interesting tho, eh?

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #253 on: April 14, 2009, 09:54:41 AM »
the logic and simple as it is is:

every american gun made either in cebu or masachusettes. the inventor got a share of it called a royalty fee.

it only happen that here in mindanao they use m16s to terrorized the pipol and use them for kidnapping. it's the americans m16s not AKs. thats the point. 

why talking about the russians and the Chinese! Jesus!!!

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #254 on: April 14, 2009, 10:18:14 AM »
Buwad, the Chinese and Russians sell AK 47s to afghans, to Arab fundamentalists, to Indonesia as well as Malaysia. They sell weapons that kill in Africa as well, where civil wars are plenty.

Thats the point, Buwad. An entire continuum of the world practices arms sales. You can't blame one nation without expecting to blame the others that are responsible for the same policies.

In the end, the blame should be placed on those who utilize the weapons for means of terrorizing. America is not to blame when the Abu Sayyaf and the MNLF kidnap Filipinos and foreigners and have them ransomed. America should not be blamed for the murderings of such terrorist groups.

The one to be blamed, Buwad, is the Abu Sayyaf and the MNLF and other terrorist groups that precipitate such wanton violence and inhumane acts.

Again, your argument is moot.

You're simply playing the blame game. To which I do not agree.



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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #255 on: April 14, 2009, 10:20:05 AM »
the logic and simple as it is is:

every american gun made either in cebu or masachusettes. the inventor got a share of it called a royalty fee.

it only happen that here in mindanao they use m16s to terrorized the pipol and use them for kidnapping. it's the americans m16s not AKs. thats the point. 

why talking about the russians and the Chinese! Jesus!!!

Buwad, please do not use the Lord's name in vain.

If you want to debate, debate simply. Don't involve the LORD in any of your usage.

Thank You.

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #256 on: April 14, 2009, 10:24:10 AM »
its not a blame game my frend its a fact! and those american guns and bullets that killed innocent civilians here in our country are made from america.

this issue is undebatable. 

 

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« Reply #257 on: April 14, 2009, 10:25:23 AM »
i'm not in vain nor feel it. i ask Gods blessing that a brother may wake up in his hard headedness!

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« Reply #259 on: April 14, 2009, 10:33:30 AM »
its not a blame game my frend its a fact! and those american guns and bullets that killed innocent civilians here in our country are made from america.

this issue is undebatable. 

 

Arms sales is an ongoing phenomenon, my friend. The NATO allies engage in it, so does the United States, so too does the Chinese and the Russians. In the world of global geopolitics and strategic interests, military sales are provided for by nations that can afford sales. Its a business, i am not in defense of such sales, but am merely implying that it is a system in place.

We live in a capitalistic society, Buwad. A society that embraces mercantilism. We don't live in a pacificistic society, though I wish we did so that violence wouldn't be observed.

But the world we live in follows in a capitalistic model. Even the Chinese, which is a politically communist, has already embraced capitalism (which is actually on contrary to pure communist manifest).

There are individuals in this world that do things for a profit, and sadly, there are even American companies, British companies, Japanese companies, Chinese companies, Germany companies even Filipino military companies that sell arms to make a profit.

In the end, what the buyer does with the weapons is the limiting factor. The United States sells arms (officially) to friendly nations, but what the buyer does with arms is at the discretion of the buyer nation.

When a buyer nation purchases American arms, that buyer nation takes and assumes responsibility what it does with it. Either it uses it its own military or if it chooses to snuggle it to provide arms to insurrectionists is at the discretion of the buyer nation.

Please don't take this to heart. Its just simple dialogue.

God Bless you, Buwad. :)

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #260 on: April 14, 2009, 10:39:51 AM »
i know it, the world know it regarding these arms sales. but were only discussing about the mindanao/philippine situation and those m16s that the murderers, kidnappers and terrorist are using.

isn't it shameful being a proud and a good american? 

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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #261 on: April 14, 2009, 10:42:08 AM »
come to philippines and if youre kidnap here. im sure theyl be using colt45s and m16s.

thats for sure!


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Re: The Philippines: 51st State of the United States of America?
« Reply #262 on: April 14, 2009, 10:43:36 AM »
i know it, the world know it regarding these arms sales. but were only discussing about the mindanao/philippine situation and those m16s that the murderers, kidnappers and terrorist are using.

isn't it shameful being a proud and a good american? 

We're discussing the entire issue, because it relegates to the issue. The Philippine case scenario is but one example of the global phenomenon, Buwad.



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« Reply #263 on: April 14, 2009, 10:45:04 AM »
come to philippines and if youre kidnap here. im sure theyl be using colt45s and m16s.

thats for sure!


Buwad, lets get back to the topic. And of course I will come back to the Philippines. Its my Fatherland. :)

I'm just a simple, average, Filipino-American.

Of Valenciano roots.

Sige, lets get back to topic.

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« Reply #264 on: April 14, 2009, 10:53:11 AM »
the topic? since this had been posted, my postings are a BIG NO! NO WAY! AM NOT EVEN THINKING ABOUT IT!

LETS FORGET THIS ISSUE LOR.

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« Reply #265 on: April 14, 2009, 10:55:51 AM »
Buwad, and I respect your view. As you have the right to share your view. From reading your posts, we all learn from different perspectives. It adds balance to our views.

Let others share their views on this topic, kai interesting kaayo.





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« Reply #266 on: April 14, 2009, 10:58:16 AM »
Lorenzo, you're a Filipino- American. At this time, are you having dual citizenship.?

What is the point of view of this topic? Does it mean that we will adopt for statehood to the USA.?

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« Reply #267 on: April 14, 2009, 11:03:17 AM »
Lorenzo, you're a Filipino- American. At this time, are you having dual citizenship.?

What is the point of view of this topic? Does it mean that we will adopt for statehood to the USA.?

The reason I posted this topic was because I had a dialogue with a friend of mine some months ago regarding the benefits of American protectorateship and/or statehood. My friend is Puerto Rican, and Puerto Rico is an American protectorate, meaning all Puerto Ricans are American citizens. Thought hey have local autonomy, self governance is ensured. Spanish is spoken culture maintained.

I merely wanted to ask the Boholano community, and the Filipino community at large how they felt on the issue. That issue being, Philippine's entry into the United States.

I wanted to hear their views, the pros and the cons.

To answer your question, Mr. Daray, yes I am an American Citizen. I maintain my dual citizenship. I had the choice of relinquishing my Philippine Citizenship when I acquired American citizenship over a decade ago, but I chose to keep it.

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« Reply #268 on: April 14, 2009, 12:30:10 PM »
buwad, lor, ngani ra ni ka-simple:

kung walay america, walay terrorista!

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« Reply #269 on: April 14, 2009, 01:19:31 PM »
Interesting point, Tito.
Sure, I see your point.

Even if America fell tomorrow, there would be another super power to replace her.
And surely, that power would have to hurdle the same problem.

There will always be an antagonist to a protagonist.

As there is a ying for every yang. (Ying-Yang confucian concept)

Since time immemorial, every power will always have those that opposed it.

The Romans had the barbarians
The Greeks had the Persians
The Hebrews had the Babylonians/Egyptians
The British had the French
The French had the Germans
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« Reply #270 on: April 15, 2009, 10:18:28 AM »
you got it bulls eye calls! AMEEEEN!!!

I cant wait China to lead the world than these lazy drunkard americans. Sorry my language but its true in one way or the other.

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« Reply #271 on: April 15, 2009, 11:43:52 AM »
The Philippines the next 51st state of USA in an impossible dream.

Ang mga bayani nagpatulo sa ilang dugo ug gibuhis nila ang ilang kinabuhi
aron maangkon ang kagawasan .

Magpaulipon pa ba ta ug balik sa nga langyaw.?

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« Reply #273 on: April 15, 2009, 12:56:03 PM »

Magpaulipon pa ba ta ug balik sa nga langyaw.?

kay unsa man diay nang mga intsik nga gihinayninayan na man ta ug ulipon...

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« Reply #274 on: April 15, 2009, 01:10:24 PM »
Interesting point, Tito.
Sure, I see your point.

Even if America fell tomorrow, there would be another super power to replace her.
And surely, that power would have to hurdle the same problem.

There will always be an antagonist to a protagonist.

As there is a ying for every yang. (Ying-Yang confucian concept)

Since time immemorial, every power will always have those that opposed it.

The Romans had the barbarians
The Greeks had the Persians
The Hebrews had the Babylonians/Egyptians
The British had the French
The French had the Germans
etc,

I don't see terrorists as antagonists of america.

in one way or another, they rose and fought because they were victims of america's dominion and oppression.

terrorists never challenge america's being a superpower. they challenge america's superpower attitude.

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« Reply #275 on: April 18, 2009, 10:40:03 AM »
This topic is an interesting one, albeit it has garnished varying opinions, for pro to con, to even personal views that are outside the subject matter.

One reason for the conduction of this thread was for a paper that a colleague of mine was doing, and he has tallied the votes, which will be used as a data source for a continuum of data regarding his paper.

I will provide a synopsis of the paper when it is finished.

The varied points of view from members of the forum, be they Filipinos in the Philippines, Fil-Ams, Fil-Canadians, Fil-Aussies and Fil-Euros have been superfluous.

And it reflects the varied points of view.

Thank you all for sharing, and for all future readers, confer your point of view on the original question.

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« Reply #276 on: April 18, 2009, 10:43:49 AM »
The majority of voters voted for American inclusion, with some who opposed inclusion. While a substantial few voted "not sure"

This data poll is excellent.

Again, thanks!

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« Reply #277 on: April 19, 2009, 07:22:16 AM »
kining 9 nga mibotar og NO, basi'g mobali pa ni og ma US Green Card Holder na. hehehe

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« Reply #278 on: May 16, 2009, 04:14:55 AM »
aw, abi ko bag himoon na ang Bohol og 51st state sa states. hehe. apply na tag kog green card. atot ba :)

ang problema, nahimo man daw tang US territory sama sa puerto rico, ngano wa ma ni ma padayon?

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« Reply #279 on: May 16, 2009, 07:17:20 AM »
Maayo unta ug magpasakop na lang ta sa US kay sa usbon atong constitution.

Kung magpasakop ta sa US, puede ta mo migrate sa USA ug mopalit ug property didto.

Apan kung usbon atong constitution, mahurot atong yuta ug baligya sa mga foreigner, unya mo abot ang panahon nga wala nay yuta ang atong future generation, so magpa ulipon na lang sa mga dagko nga land lords nga mga foreigners.

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« Reply #280 on: May 20, 2009, 01:58:05 PM »
i voted no. but if ever we do become america's 51st state, do i have a choice of not getting an american citizenship without being stripped of my filipino-hood?

just asking! cause if there is, then id be more than glad to be an american citizen, hahaha.

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« Reply #282 on: May 21, 2009, 12:49:33 PM »
i think its more practical to be part of US.

it just so happen that practicality is not the lone issue in this matter.

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« Reply #283 on: May 21, 2009, 03:25:44 PM »
a big NNNOOO for me Calls n Lorenzo. No way......

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« Reply #284 on: May 21, 2009, 04:54:57 PM »
a big NNNOOO for me Calls n Lorenzo. No way......


payts wad.  bahalag hutdon ug kawat basta pilipino ray mangawat sa pilipinas...hahaha

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« Reply #285 on: May 21, 2009, 07:45:06 PM »
I am really inspired by BrodBuwad's fervent nationalism.
Buwad, you are like my friends that are American Hawks. :)


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« Reply #286 on: May 21, 2009, 07:54:01 PM »
a big NNNOOO for me Calls n Lorenzo. No way......

mao nay giingon nga CALAMAY SPIRIT, hehehe. peace wad.

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« Reply #287 on: May 21, 2009, 07:57:15 PM »
lol, buwad, palihug, puydi taga-y pood mi calamay ug pandesal ? coke on the side pood ba. kai gutum intawn mi diri.

hahaha, God bless you, Bro.

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« Reply #288 on: May 21, 2009, 08:47:29 PM »
i voted no. but if ever we do become america's 51st state, do i have a choice of not getting an american citizenship without being stripped of my filipino-hood?

just asking! cause if there is, then id be more than glad to be an american citizen, hahaha.

yes there is. naa na man dual citizenship sa states. di lng ko sure og na implement sab ni sa lain countries. daghn bitaw ko nabalitaan nga mga naay green card holder nga wa jud nag pa convert  as US citizen, hangtud na lng na expired ila status. karon nagmahay cla nga di na maka balik sa states. mag lisud na gani cla ka kuha og tourist visa.  :'(

pero malabo na kaau ma 51st state ta. mas may chance pa ang Bohol mahimong territory sa states hehehe.  ;D

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« Reply #289 on: May 21, 2009, 09:06:55 PM »
We would be like Puerto Rico. A shining star.

Look at Hawaii. 40% of the people in that state is Filipino :)

And Hawaii is a model state; a shining state. One of the most richest states in the ENTIRE United States.

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« Reply #290 on: May 21, 2009, 09:13:28 PM »
A vision of Hawaii. :)

America has made Hawaii into a Paradise.
And before it was a state, Hawaii was not eve compared to Philippines' natural beauty.
Remember that.  :)










Downtown Waikiki


Filipinos celebrating Ifugao culture in Hawaii

A majority of Hawaiians are Filipino, or have Filipino blood.

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« Reply #291 on: May 21, 2009, 09:18:26 PM »
The Governor of Hawaii is even Filipino-American.


Governor Ben Cayetano :)




The FIRST Filipino Governor of a U.S State, Governor Cayetano, recieves honors from GMA.


Governor Ben Cayetano
A Filipino-American.
The Living Proof of the AMERICAN DREAM.
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« Reply #292 on: May 22, 2009, 12:26:04 PM »
agkot pas kalamay mga bro! tam-is man gud ang atong tunhay nga kalayaan!

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« Reply #293 on: May 23, 2009, 10:25:57 AM »
a big NNNOOO for me Calls n Lorenzo. No way......

no man sad jud ko wad. pero daog na man sa survey nga 51st state sa US or as a territory na lang.

so, kung magka ingun ana na man gani, ang ako pangutana, asa na man ta puniton ini, wad? sige na lang tag rally ini. nya government man ko nagwork, dili pwede strike2, magutom ko ini kog tangtangun ko diri.

AHAK ini oi. aw, dili man ko magutom kay welfare state man daw ng merica, tinood ba? pila na lang ko sa mga kusina sa gobyerno ini. kujog ta, wad, hehehe.

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« Reply #294 on: May 23, 2009, 11:57:50 AM »
sugot na lang wad, aron kaapil kag american idol. hahaha...

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« Reply #295 on: May 25, 2009, 10:09:19 AM »
adto lang nya ko didto tourist pohon calls, lorenzo and wind. mag bawon kog tuba ug calamay.....

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« Reply #296 on: May 25, 2009, 11:14:12 AM »
tama2x humana ang american idol hehehe redi for the nxt season.

piskot lisod japon mag biyahe ron. di pede mga liquid, bisag beberon sa bata di pwede, samot na ang tuba. kalamay dw dpat balhin sa plastic, ky di pde ang bagol...na export na kha ning kalamay sa states og europe?

mao naa dw welfare sa merika og way work. mao di sugot merika kay perting daghna mag apply sa welfare dri sa atoi. mga inahan mapugos n lng dw og divorce sa bana para declare welfare...pero cge diay japon cla live-in sa bf. unja the more children they have, the more welfare money they get.  ;D

sus na lng og napadayon ang pinas nga territory, dosena ka anak sa probinxa, dakong wawarts na na sa una bah  ;D



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« Reply #297 on: May 26, 2009, 03:01:40 AM »
Dili nako tuyo nga mobara sa injong kalipay pero.... mao ni giingon nga istorya ilawom sa dagat. Kay di man jud ni mahitabo o matinuod (it's too late), na hala storya gyod nga way pugong-pugong! It's purely hypothetical anyway!

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« Reply #298 on: June 01, 2009, 09:39:57 AM »
tama2x humana ang american idol hehehe redi for the nxt season.

piskot lisod japon mag biyahe ron. di pede mga liquid, bisag beberon sa bata di pwede, samot na ang tuba. kalamay dw dpat balhin sa plastic, ky di pde ang bagol...na export na kha ning kalamay sa states og europe?

mao naa dw welfare sa merika og way work. mao di sugot merika kay perting daghna mag apply sa welfare dri sa atoi. mga inahan mapugos n lng dw og divorce sa bana para declare welfare...pero cge diay japon cla live-in sa bf. unja the more children they have, the more welfare money they get.  ;D

sus na lng og napadayon ang pinas nga territory, dosena ka anak sa probinxa, dakong wawarts na na sa una bah  ;D



di mosugot lagi ang States, labi na kay naupawan sila sa kamaayo ni Hayden.  ;D

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« Reply #299 on: July 26, 2009, 11:44:41 PM »
Not bad at all... patriotism in our own country is not bad and we should proud being a filipinos and in this case that we will be under the state of America, then motaas na jud ako ilong..hehehehe.

Bitaw, nowadays, morag maayo na lang nga masakop ta sa states aron makalingkawas na pud ta sa kalisud, sa corruption ug sa panggobernong way uwaw.. maayo lang mosaad (pwera sa maayo) during elections, more on pockets less in project implementations.... pero di jud nako ilisan akong pagkabolanon... jamo jud...hhehehe

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