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The Buk missile system that allegedly brought down a plane
« on: July 21, 2014, 03:00:58 AM »
The Buk missile system is a family of self-propelled, medium-range surface-to-air missile systems developed by the Soviet Union and its successor state, the Russian Federation, and designed to fight cruise missiles, smart bombs, fixed- and rotary-wing aircraft, and unmanned aerial vehicles. (wikipedia)



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Re: The Buk missile system that allegedly brought down a plane
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2014, 03:03:14 AM »

Backside of the 9A317 TELAR of Buk-M2E (export version) at 2007 MAKS Airshow

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Re: The Buk missile system that allegedly brought down a plane
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2014, 03:14:35 AM »
countries or groups that own the buk surface-to-air missiles, in varying number of units but all invariably ordered from russia:

 Azerbaijan
 Bulgaria
 Belarus
 Egypt
 Finland
 Georgia
 India
 North Korea
 People's Republic of China
 Russia
 Syria
 Ukraine
 Donetsk People's Republic Ukrainian insurgency
 Vietnam
 Venezuela


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Re: The Buk missile system that allegedly brought down a plane
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2014, 03:21:28 AM »
there was a report this morning in german radio that maneuvering this BUK system needs a high technical expertise and practice.

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Re: The Buk missile system that allegedly brought down a plane
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2014, 03:27:04 AM »
curious whether or not a gorilla can operate this deadly system, hof, i tried reading further.  and it looks like we've been reading/hearing about the same thing after all, as follows...

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Re: The Buk missile system that allegedly brought down a plane
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2014, 03:32:08 AM »
Operating Buk missile system took training

DAVID WILLMAN
20/07/2014

The Buk missile system is believed to have been involved in the downing of MH17

Whoever fired the surface-to-air missile that brought down a passenger jet over eastern Ukraine would have needed extensive training to execute the mission, according to military experts.

Taking down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, travelling about 965 kph at an altitude of 33,000 feet (10km), required vastly more expertise than, say, firing a shoulder-braced rocket-propelled grenade at a slow-moving helicopter. A crew of at least four would have been needed to accurately fire the truck-mounted Russian-made SA-11 missile, also known as a Buk missile system.

"You've got to have people who are technically competent," said retired US Army Major General Stephen V. Reeves, who served as an intelligence officer in Western Europe.

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Re: The Buk missile system that allegedly brought down a plane
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2014, 03:35:00 AM »
The SA-11 is a 1972-era weapon system, and is not as technologically advanced or easy to operate as more modern weaponry.

"This is a hard system to use, in today's terms," said retired US Army Lieutenant General Patrick J. O'Reilly, a former director of the US Missile Defense Agency, who estimated that each of the SA-11 crew members would have needed at least six months of training.

"You don't just take some folks off the street, and 30 days later they're trained," he said.

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Re: The Buk missile system that allegedly brought down a plane
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2014, 03:35:41 AM »
The SA-11 system is designed to identify a target with radar before and throughout the flight of the missile. The radar data are transmitted continuously to the missile, guiding it toward the target.

However, O'Reilly said that while the SA-11 can find and follow targets at altitudes up to 70,000 feet, the system is unable to distinguish between a military transport plane and a large passenger aircraft.

Given the Malaysian jetliner's altitude and cruising speed, O'Reilly said, the SA-11 probably was fired within 40 km of the crash site.

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Re: The Buk missile system that allegedly brought down a plane
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2014, 03:36:17 AM »
Those who fired at the Malaysian jetliner on Thursday "knew they were shooting a large aircraft," O'Reilly said. "It's such an old technology, it could very conceivably be they thought they were shooting down a military cargo plane or a large tanker. It is not unlikely they really thought that they were shooting down a military aircraft."

The SA-11 missile is an explosive warhead armed with a "proximity fuse" that detonates within 100 metres of a target. This means, O'Reilly said, that Flight 17 was downed by the force of the blast, not by a direct collision with the missile.

"It's not designed to hit the plane," he said. "It's designed to get close, and the proximity fuse automatically goes off."

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Re: The Buk missile system that allegedly brought down a plane
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2014, 03:37:27 AM »
Debris from the wreckage, particularly chunks of the jetliner, probably will contain tell-tale fragments of the SA-11. However, the forensic work of verifying the type of weapon would still fall short of identifying who fired it because of the SA-11's ubiquity in the region, both O'Reilly and Reeves said.

Senior US officials have said the missile appears to have been fired from an area of eastern Ukraine held by Russia-backed separatists, some of whom were spotted with an SA-11 launcher shortly before the missile was fired.

O'Reilly and Reeves noted that the Russian and Ukrainian armies possess SA-11s. They also said it was possible that the Russia-aligned militants possess them. The crash occurred in an area of eastern Ukraine held by the separatists.

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Re: The Buk missile system that allegedly brought down a plane
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2014, 03:38:34 AM »
"That's the (missile) system that you pick to do the very thing that it did," O'Reilly said. "So that there's some deniability. Both the Ukrainians have it and the Russian army has it."

It's possible, Reeves said, that specialised Russian military personnel-"Spetsnaz"-were directly or indirectly involved with the crew that fired the missile.

"Whoever did this wasn't someone that had a little bit of training and some Russian advisers told him how to do it. These people were trained on it - for a long time. The fact is, they shot one (missile) and they hit. They're pretty proficient, O'Reilly said.

"If it wasn't Russians or Russian advisers, it had to be former Russian air-defense personnel. Someone had to be formally trained in order to use it.

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Re: The Buk missile system that allegedly brought down a plane
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2014, 04:43:49 AM »
the idea that it was precisely calculated........not random pick, now words fit this barbaric act

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