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Professor Faces 180 Lashes for Having Coffee with Student
« on: February 29, 2008, 10:49:45 AM »
A university professor allegedly caught in a Saudi-style honey trap has been sentenced to 180 lashes and eight months in jail — for having coffee with a girl.

The man, a prominent and well-respected Saudi teacher of psychology at Umm al-Qra University in the holy city of Mecca, was framed by the religious police after he angered some of their members at a training course, his lawyer said.

The academic has not been named by the local media, which have given his case wide coverage, but one senior Saudi journalist told The Times he was Dr. Abu Ruzaiz, a married man in his late 50s with children.

“He is highly respected and above-board. Nobody believes the religious police’s version of what happened. The whole of Jeddah (the main city near Mecca) is in uproar about this. Everyone believes he is innocent and was set up,” the journalist said.

Contact between unrelated men and women is strictly prohibited in the desert kingdom where religious police, commonly known as mutaween, patrol public places in teams to enforce their brand of ultra-conservative Islam.

Usually bearded and often wielding canes, they ensure women are not harassed, sexes do not mix and shops close for prayers. They are under the command of the Saudi Commission for Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice.

Abdullah Al-Sanousi, the academic’s lawyer, told local newspapers that his client had drawn the ire of some of the Commission’s staffers for speaking at length during a training session about how important it was for them to be polite to the public. Some of the trainees also wanted revenge because they had failed the course while others were not happy with their examination results.

Ruzaiz is said to have received a call from a girl purporting to be one of his students who asked to meet to discuss a problem that she did not want to talk about over the phone. The professor agreed to meet at a family cafe, provided she brought her brother along as a chaperone.

When he arrived, he was surprised to find the girl alone, and was promptly surrounded by religious policemen who handcuffed him and hauled him into custody. He was accused of being in a state of khulwa — seclusion — with an unrelated woman.

His lawyer insisted that because the two met in a public place frequented by hundreds of families, the question of khulwa, or illegal seclusion, never arose. The commission, however, insists that the family sections at coffee shops and restaurants are meant only for families and close relatives.

The professor is said to have taped a later conversation with the girl in which she admitted that she had been sent to the cafe by the religious police. The professor is relying on an appeals court to overturn the verdict. His lawyer has urged local human rights associations to back his plea for reviewing the case.

A spokesman for the Commission in Mecca denied that his officials had conspired against the professor. “They are honourable people and would not create such a trap for any kind of personal revenge,” Ahmad Kasim Al-Ghamdi, told Arab News, a local paper.

The controversial case is the latest of several involving the often over zealous religious police that brought widespread international coverage that has embarrassed the Saudi authorities.

Kim Howells, the British Minister for Middle East Affairs, raised the issue of human rights with the Saudi authorities during a visit to the Kingdom this week. “He also mentioned certain high profile cases that have made international headlines recently,” a British official told The Times.

A 37-year-old American businesswoman and mother-of-three was recently thrown in jail for sitting with a male colleague at a Starbucks coffee shop.

In another high-profile case, an illiterate Saudi woman is hoping that King Abdullah will spare her life after she was condemned to death for “witchcraft.” Her accusers included a man who claimed that the woman, Fawzi Falih, had made him impotent with her sorcery.

An international human rights group said Falih — who faces being publicly beheaded — was allegedly beaten by religious police and forced into fingerprinting a false confession.

Prosecutors are currently investigating 57 young men arrested last week for flirting with girls at shopping centres in Mecca. They were accused of wearing indecent clothes, playing loud music and dancing in order to catch the attention of girls. The men insisted they were just trying to “have fun” without “imposing themselves” on the women.

And a teenaged victim of a gang rape was sentenced last year to 200 lashes and six years in jail for having been in an unrelated man’s car at the time. She was pardoned by King Abdullah, although he maintained the sentence had been fair.

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Re: Professor Faces 180 Lashes for Having Coffee with Student
« Reply #1 on: February 29, 2008, 11:15:24 AM »
Once again, another example of the brutality and barbarity of Shari'yah-influenced Laws.

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Re: Professor Faces 180 Lashes for Having Coffee with Student
« Reply #2 on: February 29, 2008, 11:17:42 AM »
Ah, grabe naman sad ka unjust ning mga laws sa Saudi oi! Unya kanang tig implement ana, sure sila nisunod sila anang ilang kaugalingon nga laws?! hala ambot lang, di ko ka imagine, maluoy ko maghunahuna sa mga citizens nila.

Yes Bran, it's but Barbaric!

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Re: Professor Faces 180 Lashes for Having Coffee with Student
« Reply #3 on: February 29, 2008, 11:29:43 AM »
Sheila,

I have very little respect for the Saudi government.
From the stories that I've heard personally from my father, who worked in Saudi years ago as a Civil Engineer. The Saudi government and the people treat our Filipino kababayans like trash that can be disposed of. Yet they do not give grattitude for the thousands of Filipino engineers, construction workers, medical workers, financiers, and domestic workers that build their highways, their bridges, their buildings, take care of their children, care for the loved ones, heal their sick, manage their finances, run their banks etc.

My father told me one incident where  one of his Filipino construction workers was charged for stealing, my father was a site supervisor at the time in Riyadh, and despite the plea of the Filipino consulate and the Filipino workers, the charged individual recieved an unjust punishment.  The Filipino, who was a catholic christian, was tried in an Islamic Shariyah court and administered justice according to the Islamic Quran, which the defendent did not recognize as he was a Roman Catholic. Nonetheless, despite being a non-muslim, he recieved the punishment of the severing of his right hand for 'committing the crime of stealing from a Saudi citizen'.

One particular anecdote that boiled me was when my dad told me when he first went to Saudi in 1981 (he was 23 years old at the time), he and his collegues were harrassed by the Saudis because of their hairless face. They were forced to grow a beard else be persecuted. And my father was asked and harassed many times to covert to Islam. They would say to him, 'Brando, become a muslim, muhammad is the prophet of god and there is no god but allah'. Despite multiple times of trying to convert my father, who did not by the way (conservative Catholic man na siya then and to this day as well).

Saudi Arabia is a powder keg.

Completely unstable, and its brutal violations of human rights is only accepted and 'ignored' because of its hold on oil supplies, particularly the United States.

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« Reply #4 on: February 29, 2008, 11:45:12 AM »
I agree with you Bran, and there's a lot of rape cases pud sa mga Filipina domestic helpers nga naa didto not to mention ang uban nga wala giswelduhan, gipasakitan ug wa pakauna sa ilang mga amo.

Kana sad issue regarding Foreign men nga kinahanglan magpabangas tawon kay ma rape jud daw ka kung limpyo imong face!
Paluma luma sila anang ilang mga strict nga laws nga most of the time unfair and unreasonable! Unya kanang gipangbuhat nila nagsubay kaha na sa balaod sa tawo ug sa Ginoo?!

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« Reply #5 on: February 29, 2008, 12:08:35 PM »
Mao jud ni Sheila what they say, "Those who have power will use it to take advantage of the weak."

Luuy kaayo ang atong kababayan sa middle east and abroad that are being harassed; they take it, and they take it again, kai their goal is to help their family (a sick mother, father, send children, brothers, sisters, to school, assist etc). Very noble lang ang Pilipino, luuy kaayo. Pero you know what? Ang Pinoy that can do their job despite the consequences are filled with Grace.  Because they care for their family and their loves ones--they would even sacrifice their own personal reputation and honor. Mo swallow lang sila sa ilang pride for the sake of the pamilya.

And I commend and pray for the Pinoys and Pinays that go thorugh this. Kai ang Ginoo, dili man jud na siya mo tulug. Awake man jud na siya, and every transgression on the innocent and the weak is witnessed  recognized. Blessed are the poor and meek for they shall inherit the Kingdom of God.



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Re: Professor Faces 180 Lashes for Having Coffee with Student
« Reply #6 on: February 29, 2008, 12:13:36 PM »
Dong, how many years did you say your Dad worked in Saudi?  I can't imagine living in a place like that with absurd laws.

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« Reply #7 on: February 29, 2008, 12:22:54 PM »
It's hard to wait for something you know might not happen, but it's harder to give up when you know it's everything you wanted.

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« Reply #8 on: February 29, 2008, 12:40:09 PM »
Dong, how many years did you say your Dad worked in Saudi?  I can't imagine living in a place like that with absurd laws.

'te he was in Saudi from 1981 till 1991.
He was the Supervising Engineer, pero when my mom got accepted to work in the 'states, my Dad immediately resigned from his position (against the reaction of his Saudi employers) and left with mom, and us to the 'states. In fact, he didn't even tell his colleagues and Saudi manager because they would have prevented him from going back to the Philippines (he was contracted then). He had to leave secretly.

Luuy lang pood si Dad.



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« Reply #9 on: February 29, 2008, 12:44:40 PM »
That brings up another memory; my mother's brother is an Engineer in UAE and they even denied to pay him one month, instead they paid him after 3 months of work (to the detriment of his family who needed the money). Its very bastardizing how the employers there treat our professionals. They treat Engineers as if they are common uneducated workers!
They need to know that our Pinoy engineers went through 5 years of schooling for this!
Many of them even were top-knotchers! You have extremely educated Filipino engineers being maltreated by uneducated Saudi commoners in the streets. And they think that they are higher than the Filipino just because they are Arab! Really makes me angry.

That really pisses me of. They have no respect at all.

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Re: Professor Faces 180 Lashes for Having Coffee with Student
« Reply #10 on: February 29, 2008, 12:49:41 PM »
Di naman ingana ka brutal karon sa saudi pero diha lang sa makkah, medina ug riyadh ang grabe kay sa makkah ug medina mao na ang pinaka holy places sa saudi then sa riyadh naa ang royal family nag stay mao medyo strict jud. sa ubang mga lugar sa saudi medyo broad minded na mga tao wala na ang badu mentality.

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« Reply #11 on: February 29, 2008, 12:53:12 PM »
Thats good to know, pre, that it somehow changed at least.

I dunnno, I just hear alot of negative stories from my uncles who still work there.

Stay safe over there.

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Re: Professor Faces 180 Lashes for Having Coffee with Student
« Reply #12 on: February 29, 2008, 01:00:33 PM »
kana mga gitawag na mutawwa (religious police) wala na kaayo nay power karon kay mao nay mga suspect sa terrorism. sa una taas kaayo ug respeto ang mga police sa saudi anang mga mutawwa pero karon naa na silay gap. kada checkpoint basta naay taas kaayo ug bongot na saudi dugay kaayo mahuman ang inpection pero ug wala gani bongot labi na ug pinoy kay di na halos nila e inspection sa mga police. mao na na karon dire sa saudi basta taas kaayo ug bongot mao nay dudahan na terrorist.

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« Reply #13 on: February 29, 2008, 01:18:00 PM »
A mao ba. Salamat for the info update, good to know there are changes going in Saudi.

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« Reply #14 on: February 29, 2008, 01:20:46 PM »
Dong, how many years did you say your Dad worked in Saudi?  I can't imagine living in a place like that with absurd laws.

I know one thing for sure tho 'te, my friends that are foreign exchange students and come from Saudi are very anti-royal family. They express it so openly, because in Saudi, they cannot utter such words because of Saudi's Les Majeste' laws.



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« Reply #15 on: February 29, 2008, 02:59:49 PM »
That's good to know, Dong and slackware.  Who wants to live in a very oppressing place.  Pero sa ato tawong mga kababayan, they just have to brave all these para lang makapakaon ug pa eskwela sa ilang family back home!

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« Reply #16 on: February 29, 2008, 03:02:06 PM »
di man lisud ang kinabuhi dire saudi if you knows how to play with their rules...

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« Reply #18 on: February 29, 2008, 03:43:29 PM »
thats why daghang underground ug illigal activities... been there ten years of my life.

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