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Is Obama right about the health care?
« on: January 30, 2010, 03:46:32 PM »
I feel Republicans was stranged for not supporting a cause which would benefit most of the Americans, is Obama right about his health care?

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Re: Is Obama right about the health care?
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2010, 04:08:20 PM »
YES! Look at you Germans, you're properly taken care of...di ba Manay???

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Re: Is Obama right about the health care?
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2010, 07:12:49 PM »
this must be supported by all means! Paradox kaayo nga ang mga normal US citizens, dili sila maningkamot, karon na kini nga higayon. Nag-anam na ka pobre ang Amerika kay world police lagi. Why bother outside the bounderies where in fact the needs here are enorm.

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Re: Is Obama right about the health care?
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2010, 01:13:12 AM »
Mostly Europe is so, kung tua pa ko sa atua nga parehas ang system sa states, di ko kabayad; lingkod na ko sa wheelchair karon.

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Re: Is Obama right about the health care?
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2010, 02:28:09 AM »
Lisod  lagi kon sudlan  sa  pamolitika...di  lang  gusto  sa mga  Republicans  nga  modaug  and  idea  ni Pres. O.

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Re: Is Obama right about the health care?
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2010, 02:29:52 AM »
Palangga  baja  nila  ang  mga  disabled  diri  ug  mga  tigulang.....akong  Mama  kon tua  pa  sa  PIlipinas dugay  rang  gi-pangadye-an...diri  libre  tanan.

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Re: Is Obama right about the health care?
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2010, 03:37:32 AM »
Lisod  lagi kon sudlan  sa  pamolitika...di  lang  gusto  sa mga  Republicans  nga  modaug  and  idea  ni Pres. O.

tinuod jud ka 'Day. anyhow balik ta sa mga disabled, akong miga nga koreana naa sad sha polio ingon sha palangga daw sha diri kay sa asia. she married to an american though. pero bisan pa man wa kay papel, basta disable ka atimanon jud ka noh?

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Re: Is Obama right about the health care?
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2010, 12:40:11 PM »
Tinuod  jod  na...manawag  gani  ka  sa SSS office,  entertainon  jod  ka  ug  maajo. Dili  mga  bastos. Sila  pay  mangajo  ug  apolgy  kon  naay malangan nga  mga  services.

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Re: Is Obama right about the health care?
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2010, 12:49:56 PM »
Now that the United States has become a welfare state.



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Re: Is Obama right about the health care?
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2010, 01:01:19 AM »
Now that the United States has become a welfare state.


Welfare State na ba diay ta? dili pa oi.

About the question if it's right depende ni sa individual.Pero under his health care bill They will force the Citizens to Purchase Health care plan. This bill requires all individual to have health care coverage whether it be through private insurance or government plan. Maayo ni pugson na jud tanan. Di na unya mo reason ning uban nga di ka afford ug insurance kay ug mag gahi gahi naay fines or imprisonment. Ok ko ani aron patas tanan.

Increased Power of the IRS as Health Care Enforcer..IRS would wield even more power and extend it's reach even further into lives of ordinary Americans,and the presidentially-appointed head of the new health care have access to confidential information about millions of individual taxpayer. Sa uban intrusion na ni.
Ani nga plan insurers are required to submit to the IRS taxpayer outside income.Mao ni mga sideline nimo.Dapat mo match jud imong gi submit sa IRS kay ug dili na IRS nay mahibawo nimo. Fines siguro nga dako or priso napud .Aning paagiha wa nay makapanlimbong.Maayo siguro ni.

Under this plan is to Authorize Medicare to pay doctors for providing advice to patients on end of life care.In other words a doctor explain to sick,tired, demoralized grandma/pa that she had the option of ending her life through doctor assisted suicide. Ok pud ni nga sideline sa doctor dagway laway ray puhunan heheheh.

Ani pud nga Bill ug dili ka magmenyo live in live sa raman murag beneficial kay example you earn 25,000  a year unya imo ka live in sad 25,000 so 50,000 inyo duha. So kay mandatory man ang pagbuy ug insurance ilang bayran nga premium is 3,000 ra kapin.But if the couples get married and has the same combine income of 50,000 ,they will pay annual premiums up to cap of 5,000 plus. Mao ni giingon ug ang kaminyoon naay penalty hehhehe.Marriage penalty.

Ani pud nga plan naay Home Visitation Program for Children by Federal Agent. Ug ma pass ni nga plan mandatory dagway ni.I had no problem with this kay sa gagmay pa ahong mga older kids naay tig home visit nako moangay ko kay daghan siya ug itudlo nimo nga pamaagi pag raise sa imong anak. Siguro magdepende ra ni sa tawo kay uban di man gusto ug naay mag instruct nila unsaon pagmatoto imong anak.





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Re: Is Obama right about the health care?
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2010, 01:18:01 AM »
Tinuod  jod  na...manawag  gani  ka  sa SSS office,  entertainon  jod  ka  ug  maajo. Dili  mga  bastos. Sila  pay  mangajo  ug  apolgy  kon  naay malangan nga  mga  services.
Dili lang mga tiguwang diri pinangga oi tanan apil mga bata ug buntis. Nakatry na ko ani. Nanawag ko sa ahong OB katong buntis ko kay naunsa ba pud to inghilak man ko. Nurse man jud na sa imong doctor motubag ug una unya nangutana ko niya nga normal ra ba ning mokalit ra ko ug hilak. Mao to giatiman jud ko pag ayo adto gipangutana ug ok ra ba ko unya giingnan nga paadtuon ko dayon sa E.R kay ila pagtuo na depress ko. Ga oo ra jud ko adto. Wa man oroy ko moadto mao kapila kaha ko gitawagan diri sa ahong doctor ug nurse kay dapat jud daw tan awon ko ug doctor. Gitawagan nila ang pinakaduol nga hospital namo diri gi arrange ang oras ug bilib kaayo ko sa ilang concern. Naulaw jud nuon ko adto nganong gahilak hilak ko hehhehe naconcern jud nuon sila pag ayo. Giprovidan ko nila ug psychologist hahaha unya na determine nga OK ra ko basin adto nga time kono nga nanawag ko inghilak basin na out of wacked ag ahong hormones. Ug diri ko ingbilid sa pag atiman nila diri.

Sa atua tawagan ba ta sa atong doctor month after ka inggawas sa hospital mangutana ug ok na ba ka. Mga nurse diri magsegi ug monitor nimo labi na bag o ka nanganak manawag jud na sila nimo magsubay naunsa na ka. Wa siguro ni sa atua.

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Re: Is Obama right about the health care?
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2010, 01:30:48 AM »
for me, YES!

it's better than without.

ug karon nga gi-lessen ang budget sa NASA, mas daghan na pong moreklamo ani ug mobabag sa plano ni Obama, kay unja kono og malapasan na ang US sa China ug Russia sa Space Explorations. Pride over Health. Hmmm...

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Re: Is Obama right about the health care?
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2010, 02:42:17 AM »
in europe obligatory ang tanan, kuhaan na before nga madawat nimo ang imong suheldo. duna sila giingon nga categories: A, B, C & D. cat. A kadtong dako ug suheldo they recieve less back from the insurance, kon moadto sa dr. or any exams. Cat. D is para sa mga chronically ill or low income. some of the chroniccaly ill, they recieve money from the insurance. not on my case kay naa may pension nga madawat gikan sa ahong ningpanaw nga bana which is a bit bigger than the health insurance and you pay less (nearly nothing) kon moadto ko sa dr. or any examinations. Ex. my Avonex (injection) which cost 840 euro, i pay only 10 euro & the rest the insurance takes care of it.
ug sa ahong nahinumduman nga sa didto pa mi sa germany, di man ko mongbayad sa dr. sila na ang mo send sa bill ngadto sa health insurance. my secarian section, wa koy gibayaran gawas sa gamit sa telepono, 16 deutch mark in that time? I stayed 2 wks in the hospital. i find that good.

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« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2010, 02:58:23 AM »
 POLITIC'S!!! POLITIC'S!!! POLITIC'S!!! 

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Re: Is Obama right about the health care?
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2010, 03:28:36 AM »
for me, YES!

it's better than without.

ug karon nga gi-lessen ang budget sa NASA, mas daghan na pong moreklamo ani ug mobabag sa plano ni Obama, kay unja kono og malapasan na ang US sa China ug Russia sa Space Explorations. Pride over Health. Hmmm...


Merika is all about pride Glace! sumala gud ang Iraq? Jezuz! kadako sa gasto! pero hala sigi para to boost sa pride. Vietnam? nga sa panahon ila gisulong ang Vietnam, mas powerful pa man ang Pinas adtong panahona? Honest to God ug gi gasto pa na sa Merika nang kwartaha na, wa unta daghang  PANGAG diri!

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« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2010, 03:30:09 AM »
in europe obligatory ang tanan, kuhaan na before nga madawat nimo ang imong suheldo. duna sila giingon nga categories: A, B, C & D. cat. A kadtong dako ug suheldo they recieve less back from the insurance, kon moadto sa dr. or any exams. Cat. D is para sa mga chronically ill or low income. some of the chroniccaly ill, they recieve money from the insurance. not on my case kay naa may pension nga madawat gikan sa ahong ningpanaw nga bana which is a bit bigger than the health insurance and you pay less (nearly nothing) kon moadto ko sa dr. or any examinations. Ex. my Avonex (injection) which cost 840 euro, i pay only 10 euro & the rest the insurance takes care of it.
ug sa ahong nahinumduman nga sa didto pa mi sa germany, di man ko mongbayad sa dr. sila na ang mo send sa bill ngadto sa health insurance. my secarian section, wa koy gibayaran gawas sa gamit sa telepono, 16 deutch mark in that time? I stayed 2 wks in the hospital. i find that good.


The IDIOTS here call that SOCIALISM, Ching!  thanks sa info dear! i wish some of these idiots can read it!

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Re: Is Obama right about the health care?
« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2010, 04:38:18 AM »

Merika is all about pride Glace! sumala gud ang Iraq? Jezuz! kadako sa gasto! pero hala sigi para to boost sa pride. Vietnam? nga sa panahon ila gisulong ang Vietnam, mas powerful pa man ang Pinas adtong panahona? Honest to God ug gi gasto pa na sa Merika nang kwartaha na, wa unta daghang  PANGAG diri!

mao jud... okay ra unta to if mapride nya dili magsalig sa food stamp!

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Re: Is Obama right about the health care?
« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2010, 04:41:11 AM »
Unsa bitaw nakuha nila anang adto adto sa buwan ug sa space hehehhe murag gagasto gasto ra bitaw ni. Naa pay gira nga way kahumanan.

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Re: Is Obama right about the health care?
« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2010, 09:18:08 AM »
Ayaw  pod   pag-ana  mo  uy...daghan  baja  pod  ang  nahimo sa America  sa  kalibutan... apil  man  jod  na  sa ilang  budget  aron  magpabilin  sila  nga  maoy  mo-lead...

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« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2010, 09:23:06 AM »
Ayaw  pod   pag-ana  mo  uy...daghan  baja  pod  ang  nahimo sa America  sa  kalibutan... apil  man  jod  na  sa ilang  budget  aron  magpabilin  sila  nga  maoy  mo-lead...


bitaw sad 'Day, i should've not say that. pero ug sila pa mga taga europa mo ingon na ut-ot na daw ang Merika. hahaha! mura man adtong naninda ug panapton sa mercado nga wa na mahalini mao'ng na ut-ot! hahaha!

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« Reply #20 on: February 05, 2010, 11:32:45 AM »
Bitaw di ko mutoo nga ma ut -ot ang america daghan tag natural resources diri nga ang uban wa pa gyud makuhai ipangreserve ni for next generation so dili ko ma convince ma ut-ot ang U.S kay rich kaayo ni ug natural resources, sa kadako sa yuta sa america klase klase pud ang resources.

Makasurvive and U.S bisan pa wala na ang ubang import.

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« Reply #21 on: February 05, 2010, 11:43:40 AM »
Dili lang mga tiguwang diri pinangga oi tanan apil mga bata ug buntis. Nakatry na ko ani. Nanawag ko sa ahong OB katong buntis ko kay naunsa ba pud to inghilak man ko. Nurse man jud na sa imong doctor motubag ug una unya nangutana ko niya nga normal ra ba ning mokalit ra ko ug hilak. Mao to giatiman jud ko pag ayo adto gipangutana ug ok ra ba ko unya giingnan nga paadtuon ko dayon sa E.R kay ila pagtuo na depress ko. Ga oo ra jud ko adto. Wa man oroy ko moadto mao kapila kaha ko gitawagan diri sa ahong doctor ug nurse kay dapat jud daw tan awon ko ug doctor. Gitawagan nila ang pinakaduol nga hospital namo diri gi arrange ang oras ug bilib kaayo ko sa ilang concern. Naulaw jud nuon ko adto nganong gahilak hilak ko hehhehe naconcern jud nuon sila pag ayo. Giprovidan ko nila ug psychologist hahaha unya na determine nga OK ra ko basin adto nga time kono nga nanawag ko inghilak basin na out of wacked ag ahong hormones. Ug diri ko ingbilid sa pag atiman nila diri.

Sa atua tawagan ba ta sa atong doctor month after ka inggawas sa hospital mangutana ug ok na ba ka. Mga nurse diri magsegi ug monitor nimo labi na bag o ka nanganak manawag jud na sila nimo magsubay naunsa na ka. Wa siguro ni sa atua.

America is a wellfare state. The fact that we retain the welfare system is testament to the pleomorphicity of the politics of the day. Welfare was enacted by the Great-Depression Administration of Franklin Delano Roosevelt as part of his New Deal Policy in the late 1930s. It has, interestingly, been retained ever since. It was enacted only after the Great Depression. It should be phased out.

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« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2010, 11:50:27 AM »
Actually, if you all have read into Obama's health care policy, it is rather oblique in its policy and implementation. Its 900+ pages of pure bullshittt. His policy, is left wing liberalist.

If it were to be implemented, we would have a medical situation.

How? It proposes to drastically cover an additional 40-50 million more Americans in the already limited medicare system. How can it afford to cover an additional 40+ million when the funds for the said system is already depleting; and if implemented would result in a drastic raising of taxes. American people are the most stubborn individuals regarding tax hikes/ we all know the result of local politicians if they raise taxes.

Again, theory and practice are different.

And its policy forces Americans to have a health care provider via government ordinance, else be subject to excessive fines.
Interesting. But the core problem here, OBAMA, is that many Americans cannot , in the first place, afford medical health care insurace to begin with.

Second. Resources. We are already strained to begin with regarding medical professionals. We simply do not have enough PCPs/ specialists/ nursing staff in many of the states. Some hospitals are understaffed of physicians and nurses.

And the root to this problem is the fact that we are not graduating enough doctors or / are making it too difficult for foreign medical grads to come to the united states. Obama has failed to address this root problem. How can we be expected to address and additional 40-50  million more patients with a faulty medicare system (which will buckle in time) when we are already understaffed to begin with? In engineering terms pa ni, we have a give limited resources to solve a problem. If we further increase work demand while maintaining said resource cap, the time in solving the problem will be increased.
Or in business terms. We have assets, which is the total owner's equity plus liabilities. In this situation, we are raising liabilities and maintain owner equity. As net result, the assets would have to rise, right? But in this case, it cannot since staff is already limited. And laws that have set in place the medical boards and the medical licensing system takes years and will take an additional year(s) to be ammended, if not at all!

This is a problem that cannot be fixed the next day. We have a pluripotent situation. We need doctors, but it must be understood that it takes YEARS to train doctors. And it takes MORE medical institutions to address the demand situation. So.
We need to build more medical schools. Apply and implement MORE financial rewards for medical students/ physicians to enter the field.

Obama fails to address the AMA's pleas to limit and put a cap on medical malpractice lawsuits.
He expects us, THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY, to give our heart and soul and take pay cuts, and work longer hours, but at the same time, he will not curve the malicious and voracious lawsuits and medical malpractice sharks out there (no offense to lawyers and law students).

The environment for growth should also cater to the needs of the medical student population/ physician population.

It is simple Laissez Faire.

I am being realistic. If he wants to solve the situation; and wants his policies to work; he should at least address and lift the immigration quota laws for foreign medical grads (medical, nursing, therapy, etc).


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« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2010, 12:05:25 PM »
Kamao  man sila  mo-save   unja  dili  mga  corrupt  ang  mga  politiko...

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« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2010, 12:09:02 PM »
Yes, for better service to the people.

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« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2010, 12:11:52 PM »
Welfare State na ba diay ta? dili pa oi.

About the question if it's right depende ni sa individual.Pero under his health care bill They will force the Citizens to Purchase Health care plan. This bill requires all individual to have health care coverage whether it be through private insurance or government plan. Maayo ni pugson na jud tanan. Di na unya mo reason ning uban nga di ka afford ug insurance kay ug mag gahi gahi naay fines or imprisonment. Ok ko ani aron patas tanan.

Increased Power of the IRS as Health Care Enforcer..IRS would wield even more power and extend it's reach even further into lives of ordinary Americans,and the presidentially-appointed head of the new health care have access to confidential information about millions of individual taxpayer. Sa uban intrusion na ni.
Ani nga plan insurers are required to submit to the IRS taxpayer outside income.Mao ni mga sideline nimo.Dapat mo match jud imong gi submit sa IRS kay ug dili na IRS nay mahibawo nimo. Fines siguro nga dako or priso napud .Aning paagiha wa nay makapanlimbong.Maayo siguro ni.

Under this plan is to Authorize Medicare to pay doctors for providing advice to patients on end of life care.In other words a doctor explain to sick,tired, demoralized grandma/pa that she had the option of ending her life through doctor assisted suicide. Ok pud ni nga sideline sa doctor dagway laway ray puhunan heheheh.

Ani pud nga Bill ug dili ka magmenyo live in live sa raman murag beneficial kay example you earn 25,000  a year unya imo ka live in sad 25,000 so 50,000 inyo duha. So kay mandatory man ang pagbuy ug insurance ilang bayran nga premium is 3,000 ra kapin.But if the couples get married and has the same combine income of 50,000 ,they will pay annual premiums up to cap of 5,000 plus. Mao ni giingon ug ang kaminyoon naay penalty hehhehe.Marriage penalty.

Ani pud nga plan naay Home Visitation Program for Children by Federal Agent. Ug ma pass ni nga plan mandatory dagway ni.I had no problem with this kay sa gagmay pa ahong mga older kids naay tig home visit nako moangay ko kay daghan siya ug itudlo nimo nga pamaagi pag raise sa imong anak. Siguro magdepende ra ni sa tawo kay uban di man gusto ug naay mag instruct nila unsaon pagmatoto imong anak.





This is absolutely not what the United States stands for, this is the total deviation on the original dream and plan of our founding fathers. America and the Dream of America was made manifest after the tyranny of British sovereignty and unlawful excessive taxation without representation. We fought against 'Large Government' time and time again. Even in The mid 19th century, the American people were against the concept of a National Bank, which was hammered into submission by the Jacksonian Administration. Against the auspices of Clay et al. The individuality of American capitalism, is the very source of our success throughout the centuries was manifested in what Alexander Hamilton termed as, "The American Commerce"--referring to the American worker and the businesses that have the right to grow without the intrusive hands of a large government (referring to the evils of the old British taxation system on growing industries).  The United States is becoming a large-government body. Government is growing too strong; there must be an equal balance between Federal Authority and individual States Rights; namely, citizens' individual rights.

Government should not be telling me how I spend my money regarding patient care, government has no right to access my medical files and that of my patients' files (the Obama care wants this to be implemented, and is a total violation of AMA policies, to begin with). Government has no right to tell me what insurance care provider I can take. I, as a TAX-PAYING AMERICAN CITIZEN, and any other law-abiding American Citizen has the right to live, and choose how to live and how to spend their money.

It is the CONCEPT that I am stressing.
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« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2010, 12:49:36 PM »
ang AMA man jud ang against ani. di na kasapi ang mga greedy docs! tan awa sa France ug ubang continents dili datu ang mga doctor kay ang pagka doctor didto is VOCATION...diri ang health is a BUSINESS.

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« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2010, 01:11:20 PM »
You have  a  point  Lorenzo   but  think  about  those  that  can't  afford what  you  can  because  you  are  a  doctor...

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« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2010, 02:33:38 PM »
ang AMA man jud ang against ani. di na kasapi ang mga greedy docs! tan awa sa France ug ubang continents dili datu ang mga doctor kay ang pagka doctor didto is VOCATION...diri ang health is a BUSINESS.

Wrong, absolutely wrong.

AMA implemented this because it is a protective policy to keep the American Medical System, which is the best in the world, the best in the world.

It is impossible to compare medical system in France to that of the United States. One follows a socialist policy, as is with most of Europe and the EU. The United States, does not yet follow a socialist system.

And in actuality, you are wrong. Physicians in Europe do not go into medicine as a vocation, they go into the field because they are chose to do so, the same way as we go into medicine here in the United States, as well as in the Philippines in any other situation.

The Physician, like any other, like even you nurses, also has to eat. Has to pay his bills.
We live in a realistic world. Not idealistic.
You have  a  point  Lorenzo   but  think  about  those  that  can't  afford what  you  can  because  you  are  a  doctor...

It is not about affording or not. It is about the concept of the health system. If we give in to a sympathetic plea and abandon the entire system that is in place, which was set in place for a particular reason, then would result in ramifications.

We have free clinics out there in society.

We do not live in a idealist world. Things in life cost money, everything costs something. The salary of nurses, the nursing staff, the therapists, cost of money to buy drugs, utensils, catheters, surgical tools, salary of administration, salary of physicians etc.

In life, and in society, everything functions via a corporate level. Hospitals are corporations.
Mo talk ko in words of business men/ CEOs. Mo step out ko sa box of a physician'/medical intern's point of view:

Businesses work through profits and revenue. Profit is equal to total revenue minus the cost of operation and payables. diba? In order for a system to work, for everything to function, the profit must exceed cost of operations. Diba? Else, the entire system will buckle. Mo bankrupt. Mao na'y wa jamo daghan free-health clinics. Kai..everyone needs to live. Things happen in a system. Pariho ra pood ni sa body..hehehe.
Mo kaon ta kai ang lawas it requires sugars, so mo bring ni sa glucagon pathway, diba? Mo kaon ang lawas kai necessary man sa sustensya sa lawas na we get our dialy requirements of proteins, essential amino acids, as well as the right water balance. Ug mo deprive ta ani...ma guba ang lawas. Hence we seen instances of Kwashiorkor (excessive protein malnutrition--resulting in hepatomegaly and thinning of the limbs); we also see marasmus (overall nutritional starvation).

Pariho ra ning examples nako sa system sa hospital. System man pood na. Instead of specialized cells etc etc; ang cells aning example are doctors, nurses, staff etc. Staff need nutrition as well. Else will lead to nutritional hypoloading. he he he.

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« Reply #29 on: February 05, 2010, 02:39:36 PM »
For those of us who want to talk and debate on the subject matter, it is best to actually read the entire 900+ pages of the Obama Health Care Reform Bill and the stance of the AMA (American Medical Association).

AMA represents not only doctors, dear colleagues and intelligent peoples, but represents a continuum of a plethora of medical specialties: Medical Physicians & Surgeons, Medical Nurses, Nurse Specialists, Physician's Assistants and Medical Administrators.

AMA presents its policy because it is supported and backed by the thousands upon thousands of American Physicians and Medical Professionals.

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« Reply #30 on: February 05, 2010, 02:49:11 PM »
ang AMA man jud ang against ani. di na kasapi ang mga greedy docs! tan awa sa France ug ubang continents dili datu ang mga doctor kay ang pagka doctor didto is VOCATION...diri ang health is a BUSINESS.

You cannot compare because first of all, the playing grounds regarding MEDICAL EDUCATION between both countries are totally different. France, UK and many other EU nations have government that will provide and pay educational costs, fully reimuburse the medical student. So financial aspect is covered.

In the United States, the medical student / physician pays out of pocket or through medical loan, which must be paid back, and are given in outrageous interest rates.

The average medical student comes out with about $300,000-$400,000 in debt.
Thats alot. Thats a cost to a rather nice house.
Now imagine having to pay that amount as that amount is being charged an APR of 15-20%.

It's not about greed. It's about principle. The Principle.
Either you get it or not.

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« Reply #31 on: February 05, 2010, 03:30:40 PM »
In my opinion, European medical doctors are willing to work outside their area, that means "Doctors without borders"  are  mostly Europeans. This altruistic attitude is developed since they see it here in Europe the benefits of cheap medical treatment, in comparison to some third world countries.
Some German doctors and the like go to our country to serve some areas like Mindanao (medical mission) and spent their holidays there. Manambal sila for 2 weeks dayon bakasyon 1 week ni-anang lugara.
There is a best surgeon in London who works in African countries during summertime to operate on legs and limbs maimed by mines. This Cambridged educated doctor collects some donations from his very rich patients and buys prothese for his African project.
German-Fil friendship organizations, sends medicines and medical tools to Luzon especially in Cordillera province.
I think Mdb is right,dinhi ang mga tawo dali ra nimo mapangayuan kon bahin sa hinabang labi na ang Germany kay nakatilaw sila ug giyera, they start from the scratch, they know what poverty is really like.
Lorenzo, this is my experience here, I don´t know how the American counterparts do their share of loving their neighbors.

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« Reply #32 on: February 05, 2010, 04:20:59 PM »
That is besides the point, Manay Tess, as we are not discussing medical missions abroad.
We are discussing the status of the health care reform in the United States.

And to reiterate to you as well as others, there are thousands of American Physicians who are enlisted in MSF (Mediciens Sans Frontiers) {Doctors Without Borders}.
As well as not to include the thousands of medical physicians/nurses and medical specialists that go on medical missions abroad. The amount of medical donations the United States does to the world, to Africa, alone has exceeded over 50 billion dollars. (All from the Bush Administration).

My aunt, who is a Trauma Nurse specialist as well as my tito who is a medical doctor from Georgia has gone on medical missions abroad. I myself have volunteered hundreds of hours on free health clinics during my undergraduate years as well as in Medical Proper. On November 29,2009, I devoted and gave 14 hours on a free health clinic drive; treating and seeing over 200 patients that day.

The topic we are discussing is not based on loving neighbors.
It is based on the feasibility of this kind of reform to the current financial situation.
And given legal situation.

Again, I will reiterate, it is about PRINCIPLE. :)

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« Reply #33 on: February 05, 2010, 06:22:03 PM »
The situation is clear among European medics that people who can not avail of medical help should get help. If health care is for everyone, this would be a better place, right?
Why can´t America for heaven´s sake strive for this instead of going to war outside their territories?
Why can´t the electorate affirm his policy? 

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« Reply #34 on: February 05, 2010, 07:58:31 PM »
You make a good point, you raise the question of "Why not free health care and why military action?"

Politics, my dear. It is simple politics. The robber barons of our time would rather rob the financial life of the physician and the common man. As in the end, the physician does not make that much income as what some of you might think and put heavy emphasis on "Greedy Docs". The blame should be directed towards the businessmen and corporate owners who make policy. The ones who make money from this is the Health Insurance Company CEOs.

I, myself and many other of my generation of medics want reform. We want SOLID and PROPER reform. We do not want empty promises and no action.

We want many things, which are addressed by the AMA and many other health organizations that speak for the unheard voices of the uninsured. Namely, this is too much to list in this post; rather I would have you search and visit AMA's website and read what it stands for and what it believes in policy change.

We enter this profession because it is a noble cause. It is a calling.
The ones who do make money of it are the politicians that implement laws that require us to follow, under penalty of license suspension.

We need to address many things:

1. Raise immigration quota laws for foreign medical grads
2. Raise the amount of medical school acceptance rates for medics
3. Raise the salary for some medics (specially PCPs)
4. Reduce and limit / put a cap on medical malpractice
5. Reduce the insurance company's autonomy in impelementing policy
6. Give uninsured indviduals cheaper/affordable health insurance coverage.


These are the changes that would ultimately change the situation at hand. Now we need to implement it.


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« Reply #35 on: February 05, 2010, 10:01:54 PM »
wish i could read those 900+ pages of Obama Health Care. pero di gani ko kahuman og basa aring akong reading nga 10 pages ra. samot na nang kang Obama. hahahaha






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« Reply #36 on: February 05, 2010, 11:23:34 PM »
Wrong, absolutely wrong.





now AMA is right! you sided the HCR before and now you're in your third year, you sided the AMA.



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« Reply #37 on: February 05, 2010, 11:28:35 PM »
wish i could read those 900+ pages of Obama Health Care. pero di gani ko kahuman og basa aring akong reading nga 10 pages ra. samot na nang kang Obama. hahahaha





Glacier pangayo ug copy unya ihatag sa imong best friend or uyab ba ron ingna basaha ni tanan beh unya ug mahuman na ka ingna ko unsay naa ana. Mao nay tactic nako sa akong bana ug naay books nga i recommend niya unya wa koy  gusto moingon ko How about you read this for me and then let me know what's in there.

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« Reply #38 on: February 05, 2010, 11:34:16 PM »
Glacier pangayo ug copy unya ihatag sa imong best friend or uyab ba ron ingna basaha ni tanan beh unya ug mahuman na ka ingna ko unsay naa ana. Mao nay tactic nako sa akong bana ug naay books nga i recommend niya unya wa koy  gusto moingon ko How about you read this for me and then let me know what's in there.


bali mi diri Kel! si banana di ganahan mo basa! daghan na sha reading materials pero puro ra jud na abput POOL! ug bahin na ug health ug uban pa ako nay pabasahon! hahahha!

usahay Magbasa ko murag grade III, (im a slow reader) ma lipay na sha ana...

huy ug naa moy copy ipang pasa na ha?

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« Reply #39 on: February 05, 2010, 11:39:15 PM »
Mo request ko ug copy ani sa congressman. Ako avid reader jud ko pero ug naa koy less interested nga libro di na nako basahon ipasa sa akong bana nga avid reader pud.

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« Reply #40 on: February 05, 2010, 11:42:58 PM »
pwede diay ta ka pangajo ug kopya?

BTW: i like your signature that says: God has a soft spot for sinners...

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« Reply #41 on: February 05, 2010, 11:51:51 PM »
Suwayan daw nato ug pangayo usahay di man ni sila mobalibad.
Bitaw ganahan bitaw ko maminaw aning qoute naho hehehhe God had soft spot for sinners. Perfect example ni Sex is Evil, Evil is sin, Sins are Forgiven, So Sex is In!

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« Reply #42 on: February 06, 2010, 12:05:49 AM »
wish i could read those 900+ pages of Obama Health Care. pero di gani ko kahuman og basa aring akong reading nga 10 pages ra. samot na nang kang Obama. hahahaha


Hahaha. Ning skim ra galing ko Ana. Read about 200 pages bc therest is pure bullshittt!





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« Reply #43 on: February 06, 2010, 12:46:17 AM »

now AMA is right! you sided the HCR before and now you're in your third year, you sided the AMA.



hahahaha nibalintong na.

unsa man juy imong gidapigan, dong? hahahaha

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« Reply #44 on: February 06, 2010, 03:02:54 AM »
I  am  not  an  avid  reader  either so  I  get  my  info from  work  and  internet....but  thanks  to   those  who  read  it  more  and  share  us  some  great  infos  and ideas...like  Lorenzo.

It  doesn't mean  to  say  that  we  agree  but  it  gives  us   some time   to  weigh  things  and  maybe  talk  to  the  right  people  and  make  a  difference. :)

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« Reply #45 on: February 06, 2010, 03:25:44 AM »
since i came in this part of the globe, i've never seen a president in the USA who is as passionate as Obama regarding his platform of government. until now he is still going from one community forum to another, even facing his Republican opponents and engaging them in a debate, just to explain and assure the people about his well-intentioned dream for healthy America.

i am just wondering how could one face all of those emotional debates, if he is not totally convinced that his program is not a pile of bullshits.



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« Reply #46 on: February 06, 2010, 03:34:09 AM »
Everyone  has  their  own agenda so  unless  we  get  together,  nothing  will  happen. The  Republican tried  now   the  Democrats  are  trying  again...I  don't  know  what  else  they  want to  do...

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« Reply #47 on: February 06, 2010, 09:09:16 AM »

now AMA is right! you sided the HCR before and now you're in your third year, you sided the AMA.



I was never for the HCR, 'te, on the contrary, in my many posts before this and in many other threads, I specifically posted my opposition on some policies enacted by the Health Insurance Companies. I am, in particular, against how some HCR lobbyists have filtered their influence into the seat of congress by bribing and 'enticing' Washington's politicians.

I believe in a free market society, but I am against corruption and using money to champion a political agenda. Corruption is corruption.

If you happen to read into articles, you will notice that AMA has time and time again opposed some policies of the Health Insurance Companies and its effect on the autonomy of the physician. AMA has championed the cause of not only the physician, but for the physicians that want to provide cheap medical care to uninsured patients, but are being contradicated by the policies set in place by the Health Insurance Companies. If Physicians violate such policies, could be, under penalty of loosing their medical license.

Trust me we understand the current situation.
That is why we are addressing the need for medical change.
We want proper change.

Completely putting the responsibilities of the physician and the medical system under the government's control will do no better. Be realistic in the situation. If this was to be implemented, we would be looking at a multi-trillion dollar annual expense. How would we be able to pay for it?

Answer: Government, will, of course, have to raise taxes. Taxes.

Someone's going to have to pay for this. If government pays, then it means a huge tax increase.

Nothing in this world is black and white. Look into the situation as I think you do not have a proper understanding of the current situation regarding the health care reform bill. And what it seeks to implement. As you have not even mentioned a single inference on any of its literature.


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« Reply #48 on: February 06, 2010, 09:12:28 AM »
since i came in this part of the globe, i've never seen a president in the USA who is as passionate as Obama regarding his platform of government. until now he is still going from one community forum to another, even facing his Republican opponents and engaging them in a debate, just to explain and assure the people about his well-intentioned dream for healthy America.

i am just wondering how could one face all of those emotional debates, if he is not totally convinced that his program is not a pile of bullshits.



This is beyond the topic matter, but OBAMA has completely violated many of his campaign tenents. He came into the election process promising to remove the American soldiers from Iraq and Afghanistan.

On the contrary, he allowed and ushered an additional 30,000 American troops to Afghanistan.

Obama is a good talker. He's a good orator. I give him that. But in regards to the game that is Washington Politics, he is a kitten.

We have accumulated more debt in one year of his administration than the combined expenses made by the previous Bush Administration.

As we speak, The Democratic Supermajority in Congress is thinning. 
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I will admit that I was taken by the OBAMA Wave earlier this year. But actions, as always, speaks louder than words.
I am not impressed with his policy making. He talks too much. Little action, too much talk.



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« Reply #49 on: February 06, 2010, 12:01:52 PM »

now AMA is right! you sided the HCR before and now you're in your third year, you sided the AMA.


Karemember bitaw ko sa laing topic nato about HCR sided si Lorenzo. Ingon pa gani ko adto I am oppose. Gisearch nako to nga particular topic nawala man.

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« Reply #50 on: February 06, 2010, 12:17:16 PM »
This is beyond the topic matter, but OBAMA has completely violated many of his campaign tenents. He came into the election process promising to remove the American soldiers from Iraq and Afghanistan.

On the contrary, he allowed and ushered an additional 30,000 American troops to Afghanistan.

Obama is a good talker. He's a good orator. I give him that. But in regards to the game that is Washington Politics, he is a kitten.

We have accumulated more debt in one year of his administration than the combined expenses made by the previous Bush Administration.

As we speak, The Democratic Supermajority in Congress is thinning. 
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I will admit that I was taken by the OBAMA Wave earlier this year. But actions, as always, speaks louder than words.
I am not impressed with his policy making. He talks too much. Little action, too much talk.



NO. He Will Pull Out the Troops but HE will PULL out your troops WITH YOU. He just gives you the leadership. If you won't push him to do that because all you do is rant and whine about all his promises, you'll end up getting nowhere.

You've been given the chance to prove the whole world that America can do the "impossible" like landing on the Moon; now, under his leadership, it's HCR. You've got to be more than politicians running the game; you have to be more than soldiers fighting in the ME.

as i've always pointed out: if you got the BALLS to send your soldiers to be killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, Americans should have the BALLS too to save lives of their own fellow Americans.
This is not about OBAMA. not POLITICS. this is about AMERICA!!!


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« Reply #51 on: February 06, 2010, 03:42:47 PM »
In my opinion certain sectors want to make money out of this health care program of Obama. They need time to put the scheme in action, just like what they did to in Iraq, remember Halliburton.

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« Reply #52 on: February 06, 2010, 03:45:09 PM »
NO. He Will Pull Out the Troops but HE will PULL out your troops WITH YOU. He just gives you the leadership. If you won't push him to do that because you all just want to rant and whine about all his promises--that are all hard to fulfill without the support of your politicians, you'll end up getting nowhere.

You've been given the chance to prove the whole world that America can do the "impossible" like landing on the Moon; now, under his leadership, it's HCR. You've got to be more than politicians running the game; you have to be more than soldiers fighting in the ME.

as i've always pointed out: if you got the BALLS to send your soldiers to be killed in Iraq and Afghanistan, Americans should have the BALLS too to save lives of their own fellow Americans.
This is not about OBAMA. not POLITICS. this is about AMERICA!!!



jawaa! ininglis na sad!

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« Reply #53 on: February 06, 2010, 05:15:58 PM »
Mora'g  init  na  ang  debatihay  da....wa  lay  pinusilay  ha?

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« Reply #54 on: February 06, 2010, 05:17:15 PM »
hahahhha! pwede sabunotay ug buhok 'Day! pwede sad palo2x! hahahahha!

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« Reply #55 on: February 06, 2010, 05:27:11 PM »
In my opinion certain sectors want to make money out of this health care program of Obama. They need time to put the scheme in action, just like what they did to in Iraq, remember Halliburton.

first of all Manay ang mga insurance companies ang nag finance sa mga repubs sa ilang CAMPAIGN! ginoo!

ana ra gud na. "tabangan tika basta kanunay ang ato" style bah!!!

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« Reply #56 on: February 06, 2010, 06:43:53 PM »
Tataw man jud nga nitaas ang poverty rate sa Amerika. Ang maig-an ug sakit maoy maka-pobre pag-ayo. Kining health bill kay project naman unta ni Hilary Clinton, maayo gani kay gi-follow-up ni Obama.
Ug mobakasyon jud ko, aduna koy tinapigan kon simbako masakit kay sa ospital raba down payment dayon.
Ma-o dinhi sa Germany, may ipatong pod ka sa imong bills apan maapas. Ang ospital, ambulansya ug immediate medical needs, dili kinahanglan ang down payment, busa makatolog ka ug maayo kay wala huna-hunaon simbako kon masakit.

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« Reply #57 on: February 06, 2010, 08:07:05 PM »
Tataw man jud nga nitaas ang poverty rate sa Amerika. Ang maig-an ug sakit maoy maka-pobre pag-ayo. Kining health bill kay project naman unta ni Hilary Clinton, maayo gani kay gi-follow-up ni Obama.
Ug mobakasyon jud ko, aduna koy tinapigan kon simbako masakit kay sa ospital raba down payment dayon.
Ma-o dinhi sa Germany, may ipatong pod ka sa imong bills apan maapas. Ang ospital, ambulansya ug immediate medical needs, dili kinahanglan ang down payment, busa makatolog ka ug maayo kay wala huna-hunaon simbako kon masakit.
Tinuod na Manay "life is full of surprises, good or bad" so just has to be ready because sometimes times are cruel, you are in your productive years but sometimes it can change suddenly & unexpected. talking thru expereince.
"we work so hard to make money but sometimes money is lost because you become ill"

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« Reply #58 on: February 06, 2010, 09:12:58 PM »
Ching, simbako kining madisgrasya sa sakyanan, sunog o tulis. Pag-abot sa ospital pangayo-an man ka dayon ug health card or insurance.

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« Reply #59 on: February 06, 2010, 10:59:53 PM »

jawaa! ininglis na sad!

maglagut rana si Nilo aning ininglis! hahahha!

may lag wa to molili diri kay pabalikon unya tag schooling. whahahaha.

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« Reply #60 on: February 07, 2010, 06:36:31 AM »
Ching, simbako kining madisgrasya sa sakyanan, sunog o tulis. Pag-abot sa ospital pangayo-an man ka dayon ug health card or insurance.
Tinuod na, Manay....

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« Reply #61 on: February 08, 2010, 03:02:33 AM »
Mao  bitaw  nga  kinahanglan  jod  nga mag-full  time jod  sa tarbajo  aron  ang  insurance  completo simbako  kon  magkinahanglan  ta ug  patambal.

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« Reply #62 on: February 08, 2010, 03:41:53 AM »
Mao  bitaw  nga  kinahanglan  jod  nga mag-full  time jod  sa tarbajo  aron  ang  insurance  completo simbako  kon  magkinahanglan  ta ug  patambal.
Very Good Indaymen. Di na raman jud ta magsalig sa mga Bill bills nga ipangpasa ato ani hala trabaho samtang kusgan pa aron ug di na molahotay ang lawas at least naa tay sandingan ang atong gibayran nga insurance. Di man jud ni magkadaug ning lalisa kay usa gusto unja naa poy kontragusto.Bayad jud ta samtang kaya pa. Di man nuon pud ta magmahay sa atong serbisyo nadawat diri. Excellent man kaayo ila serbisyo.Ug matiguwang na unja ta puhon magpahayahay nalang unya ta sa atong pension hehhehe.

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« Reply #63 on: February 08, 2010, 04:25:13 AM »
Tataw man jud nga nitaas ang poverty rate sa Amerika. Ang maig-an ug sakit maoy maka-pobre pag-ayo. Kining health bill kay project naman unta ni Hilary Clinton, maayo gani kay gi-follow-up ni Obama.
Ug mobakasyon jud ko, aduna koy tinapigan kon simbako masakit kay sa ospital raba down payment dayon.
Ma-o dinhi sa Germany, may ipatong pod ka sa imong bills apan maapas. Ang ospital, ambulansya ug immediate medical needs, dili kinahanglan ang down payment, busa makatolog ka ug maayo kay wala huna-hunaon simbako kon masakit.

Here in the United States we do not process any downpayment ; nor is there a downpayment requirement for a medical emergency. If an individual does not have health insurance and is suffering from chest pains and is rushed to the hospital (can be a 1st tier to a 4th tier hospital), he or she will be triaged and then treated by the attending physician and assessed immediately.

The policy for medical emergency situations is treat now; bill later.

The amount a patient has to pay aside from co-pay depends on the health insurance provider the said patient has; and the percent the health insurance provider is willing to cover as said and agreed upon in the contract. Amount of coverage will vary.

For foreign travelers to the United States, you should be provided if you  purchase Traveler's Insurance, which should be accepted and recognized by most American Hospital Systems.



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« Reply #64 on: February 08, 2010, 04:35:23 AM »
There are numerous Free-Health Clinics in around the United States, which are run through private funds and are supported by kind donations from every day citizens. Providing free medical care to those who are homeless and or unable to shoulder the costs of a standard health insurance coverage.

I and many of my colleagues are part of the AMSA (American Medical Students' Association) Health Reform Body. We are fighting (through proper litigation) for a reform of how Health Insurance Companies provide health options and to change the unfair policies it implements in reimbursing the medical staff.

Health insurance Companies consume a lions' share of all medical costs. There are many other agencies that want reform to the unfair practices of medical reimbursement, such agencies include :

A.M.A (American Medical Association)
A.N.A (American Nurses' Association)
A.A.A.P (American Academy of Physician Assistants)
A.P.T.A (American Physical Therapists' Association)

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« Reply #65 on: February 08, 2010, 05:05:49 AM »
Tataw man jud nga nitaas ang poverty rate sa Amerika. Ang maig-an ug sakit maoy maka-pobre pag-ayo. Kining health bill kay project naman unta ni Hilary Clinton, maayo gani kay gi-follow-up ni Obama.
Ug mobakasyon jud ko, aduna koy tinapigan kon simbako masakit kay sa ospital raba down payment dayon.
Ma-o dinhi sa Germany, may ipatong pod ka sa imong bills apan maapas. Ang ospital, ambulansya ug immediate medical needs, dili kinahanglan ang down payment, busa makatolog ka ug maayo kay wala huna-hunaon simbako kon masakit.
deri hinoon sa belgium, pangitaan ka sa imong insurance and they will send you the bill later. usahay matinga kon kanus-a to kay di man pod dajodajon nila ipada, tan-awon na laman naho kon kanus-a ang date kay naklimot na ko


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« Reply #66 on: February 08, 2010, 09:32:28 PM »
Ang  imong  medical  bills   diri, mahimo  nga  imong  bayaran   ug hinay-hinay kon  pila  ray ma-afford  nimo  kada  buwan..

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« Reply #67 on: February 09, 2010, 02:53:34 AM »
Ang  imong  medical  bills   diri, mahimo  nga  imong  bayaran   ug hinay-hinay kon  pila  ray ma-afford  nimo  kada  buwan..
actually wa ko kasuway ana kay kon mong-abot na ang bill gikuhaan na man sa health insurance, kadto rang wa na macover. so wa ko kasuway pa ug installment kay di man pod daku.

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« Reply #68 on: March 22, 2010, 03:33:45 PM »
House passes health care bill on 219-212 voteBy Alan Silverleib, CNN
March 22, 2010 2:55 a.m. EDT
 

Washington (CNN) -- President Obama won a historic victory in the struggle for health care reform Sunday as the House of Representatives passed a sweeping bill overhauling the American medical system.

Most Americans will now be required to have health insurance or pay a fine. Larger employers will be required to provide coverage or risk financial penalties. Total individual out-of-pocket expenses will be capped, and insurers will be barred from denying coverage based on gender or pre-existing conditions.

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House passes health care bill on 219-212 voteBy Alan Silverleib, CNN
March 22, 2010 2:55 a.m. EDT
 

Washington (CNN) -- President Obama won a historic victory in the struggle for health care reform Sunday as the House of Representatives passed a sweeping bill overhauling the American medical system.

Most Americans will now be required to have health insurance or pay a fine. Larger employers will be required to provide coverage or risk financial penalties. Total individual out-of-pocket expenses will be capped, and insurers will be barred from denying coverage based on gender or pre-existing conditions.

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the news really has made me so happy. It's about time.

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« Reply #70 on: March 23, 2010, 06:48:09 AM »
Yes he can!
I simply admire the magnanimity of America and its constituents, motabang bisan asa, donations in different forms, makig away sa laing nasud aron mahatag ang freedom.
But look, there is an evident rise of poverty in this country and medical care is one of the basic needs of each and everyone.
Obamas persistence did paid.

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« Reply #71 on: March 23, 2010, 07:28:08 AM »
Yes he can!
I simply admire the magnanimity of America and its constituents, motabang bisan asa, donations in different forms, makig away sa laing nasud aron mahatag ang freedom.
But look, there is an evident rise of poverty in this country and medical care is one of the basic needs of each and everyone.
Obamas persistence did paid.



tinuod Manay noh? plus sa mga biay biay kay sija itomon man lagi? I felt so sorry for him but despite all those he was still so gracious to each side of politics.  These people who wanted him to fail, murag nag panic attack na jud ug samot!

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« Reply #72 on: March 23, 2010, 07:56:48 AM »
I think he has to persevere to prove that he truly deserves the Nobel Peace Prize. He was also gracious to divide the money to different social institutions and also to Haiti earthquake victims.

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« Reply #73 on: March 24, 2010, 12:39:54 AM »
PASSIONATE person  that he truly is.

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« Reply #75 on: March 24, 2010, 07:45:39 AM »
I will ask Michelle. ;D


hey! what do you want to know? are you interested in his performance not only managing the country but in the bedroom as well?  ahahhaha!

Manay paminawa na si Wanda Sykes kay naa na sha comedia bahin ana! hahahha!

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« Reply #76 on: March 30, 2010, 01:50:40 AM »
Unsa bitaw nakuha nila anang adto adto sa buwan ug sa space hehehhe murag gagasto gasto ra bitaw ni. Naa pay gira nga way kahumanan.

Quel, daghan bya ta mga daily conveniences because of the research that NASA has done. Dli lang anang adto2 ug moon pero ang mga equipment and gadgets which is making our lives easier.

i've read an article before pero wla nako kibaw asa to. Think about Tang...the juice. originally for astronauts. Naa pa daghan things that you wouldn't think of. Dili ra bya pure study and research nang NASA for worthless stuff. Naa sad daghan nahimo we jud take those things for granted.

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« Reply #77 on: March 30, 2010, 01:58:40 AM »
You have  a  point  Lorenzo   but  think  about  those  that  can't  afford what  you  can  because  you  are  a  doctor...

We also have to think, where is the money coming from ? From us taxpayers of course. That's life. It may be cruel and mean to say it, but we can't save everybody.

I would love to send all my relatives in Bohol to school, but I can't afford it. I wish I could feed and clothe all of my poorer relations but I can't.

We all can relate to this because in our families we have poorer cousins and richer cousins. We try to help as much as we could but we still can't help everybody.

Furthermore, we also have cousins who don't help themselves. Alangan naman ikaw maningkamot para nila.

Its thesame thing. There are a bunch of people in the US who opt not to have insurance. Mao gud puy ila by choice. There are also a bunch who cannot afford because they chose not to afford.


Example : We have a rental house that we are renting to this family. They are late a lot of months and there was a time that they were 3 weeks late so we went to give them an eviction notice. Come to find out, they have 3 flat screen TVs, high end furniture, etc....hmmm....talk about priorities. Would we be expected to save them ? NO WAY ! that is their problem...

Preha ra sad ni sa uban natong mga ig-agaw sa ato. Inig uli, sige pangayo, pamaylo ug uban pa...pagando-ando pa adto, molakaw murag Christmas tree kay nangumbabit ang alahas. Bisan ang 10 yo nga anak naay latest Nokia cellfon...unya magpatabang ug gasto skwela ?


In the US, there is no shortage of those kinds of people too. Dli ra limited sa pilipinas ang mga Juan Tamad mao na problema. Ang mga nangikayod ug naningkamot, mao hinuon pagastohon sa mga nagtinapol.

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« Reply #78 on: March 30, 2010, 02:04:19 AM »
In my opinion, European medical doctors are willing to work outside their area, that means "Doctors without borders"  are  mostly Europeans. This altruistic attitude is developed since they see it here in Europe the benefits of cheap medical treatment, in comparison to some third world countries.
Some German doctors and the like go to our country to serve some areas like Mindanao (medical mission) and spent their holidays there. Manambal sila for 2 weeks dayon bakasyon 1 week ni-anang lugara.
There is a best surgeon in London who works in African countries during summertime to operate on legs and limbs maimed by mines. This Cambridged educated doctor collects some donations from his very rich patients and buys prothese for his African project.
German-Fil friendship organizations, sends medicines and medical tools to Luzon especially in Cordillera province.
I think Mdb is right,dinhi ang mga tawo dali ra nimo mapangayuan kon bahin sa hinabang labi na ang Germany kay nakatilaw sila ug giyera, they start from the scratch, they know what poverty is really like.
Lorenzo, this is my experience here, I don´t know how the American counterparts do their share of loving their neighbors.


There has been quiet a few US medical missions too. My Aunts in Tangub hosted a group for a few years in a row. Sila tanan mga puti, nag mission ra gud pud and dala books, crayons and pencils for the children.

Also, there has been a medical mission in Tagbilaran for the past 2 years that are from the US too. Kanang Botika sa Katawhan diri sa Tagbilaran, solicited from and donated by generous donors from the US man sad. I think naa sad sagol from other countries pero kadaghanan from US

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« Reply #79 on: March 30, 2010, 02:11:14 AM »
since i came in this part of the globe, i've never seen a president in the USA who is as passionate as Obama regarding his platform of government. until now he is still going from one community forum to another, even facing his Republican opponents and engaging them in a debate, just to explain and assure the people about his well-intentioned dream for healthy America.

i am just wondering how could one face all of those emotional debates, if he is not totally convinced that his program is not a pile of bullshits.




hehehehe ! ako ra sad ni ha.

I think Obama is still campaigning. He's very good at it, but I think he is doing a piss poor job at being president. From the Rasmussen polls,  his popularity has taken quite a dive.

It still is a democracy and when a lot of people protest against a bill, no matter how passionate you are, you should take that into consideration.

I think what they've done is just shove it down everybody's throat regardless if you want it or not.


I can be passionate about some things...it doesn't mean its right or its not b***, but I can be passionate...ang mga bayoooottt ilansang sa crus !!! waaa...just kidding. :-)

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« Reply #80 on: March 30, 2010, 02:14:28 AM »
ang mga bayoooottt ilansang sa crus !!! waaa...just kidding. :-)
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 Hoy Inday, kon mao man ugaling nay imong gusto, mo request ko itapad ko ni Jesus inig lansang nako ha? :D :D

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« Reply #81 on: March 30, 2010, 02:19:43 AM »
ang mga bayoooottt ilansang sa crus !!! waaa...just kidding. :-)


 Hoy Inday, kon mao man ugaling nay imong gusto, mo request ko itapad ko ni Jesus inig lansang nako ha? :D :D

ayaw tawon kay mingawon ko sa akong best friend...ehehehe !

dli tika itapad ni Jesus oi, matakdan palang... ( Lord pasayloa tawn) hehehe ! :-P

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« Reply #82 on: March 30, 2010, 02:23:05 AM »
Obama just killed small business passing this bill....

The taxes start now, the benefits 3 years from now. Small Businesses employ a lot of people and drive the US economy but with these economic situations, dli na makaya sa mga ginagmayng negosyo ang expenses, they will close, lots more people will lose their jobs...mosamot ka luoy ang economy dire. Cause and Effect.

mao na, mag save para mo retire asap sa Bohol...maau pa sa ato, naa lang ka gamay wawarts, hambugaway na imong pamujo. Ang politiko, preha ra...magbuhi diay ko ug pitbull para ug naay manuktok, akong ipa-paak dayun. SOLVED.  :P

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« Reply #83 on: March 30, 2010, 02:23:12 AM »
ayaw tawon kay mingawon ko sa akong best friend...ehehehe !

dli tika itapad ni Jesus oi, matakdan palang... ( Lord pasayloa tawn) hehehe ! :-P

 Hala dili baya si Lord ako gi mean ha? Kadtong akong classmate sa high school nga si Jesus, manghud ni Harry  :) :) :)

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« Reply #84 on: March 30, 2010, 02:26:40 AM »
Sigurado-a na ha basin kita ka ug sumbagay kay imong gibulgar iyang sikreto. waaaa  8)

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« Reply #85 on: March 30, 2010, 02:50:45 AM »
Sigurado-a na ha basin kita ka ug sumbagay kay imong gibulgar iyang sikreto. waaaa  8)

 Dili gyud naa sekreto kay pareha man mi mga buutan...Wa tawon koy gibulgar diri no...ASA man beh :)

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« Reply #86 on: April 07, 2010, 12:10:33 AM »
it may not be the perfect health care, but it is the right thing.

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« Reply #87 on: April 07, 2010, 12:36:38 AM »
it may not be the perfect health care, but it is the right thing.


yes i agree! 

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« Reply #88 on: April 07, 2010, 06:43:49 AM »
Pres. Obama had shed blood, sweat and tears. This was really tough but the pioneer step was done. It will be finely tuned to suit  some quarters who doesn´t agree to his health care program.

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« Reply #89 on: April 07, 2010, 10:11:21 AM »
Right now, my husband and I might lose OUR health care benefits because of the passing of this bill. Instead of the money that I could be sending to help my diabetic dad and my Mama who's got HB (like most bol-anons), it would be diverted to higher taxes to pay for who ???? the dregs and lazies and criminals of society that have nothing but ill will against me.

Mao lang jud ni akong feelings ani. magsuffer ang kadaghanan nga nagkayud para lang jud ma-libre ang mga tapuwan....sa dihang kamong mga ungoyya mo ga drugs2 ug ga hubog2 mo diha sa daplin, nangawat sa mga 7-11, nanulis ug uban pa, kami intawon ga trabaho, dili lang para amo, naa sad mi pamilya among gustong tabangan. Nganong magbuot man si Obama sa healthcare nga wala ganahi sa kadaghanan left or right. Pero saun taman, napasa naman sa amaw. hahay buhay, hopefully ma repeal before pa mosaka nasad ang taxes.

one last thing...iyahay ta ug problema...ang mga pakno nga wala naningkamot dili angay librehon sa mga taw nga nagka igit2 intawn ug panrabaho. Dli uroy sila maulaw nga ang mga immigrante  gikan sa kalain laing suok sa kalibutan nilambo pero silang mga "beneficiaries" sa Obamacare diri man unta gipakataw, wala lang gihapoy nahimo.

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« Reply #90 on: April 07, 2010, 10:32:47 AM »
hmmmm...this is interesting, alycxs.

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« Reply #91 on: April 07, 2010, 11:45:07 AM »
Yup very gyud....  sa bag-o pako ani, blind ko kaau. After nako puyo diri ug dugay2, maka observe bya sad ka. Labi na tungod sa akong work nga sige ra ko adto sa mga slums kay kadaghanan sa akong mga clients, investors mopalit ug balay parentahan. Hilasan jud ka, hugawan pa sa hugawan ang mga uyamot diri. Mas maayo pa gud na sa ato, bisan uyamot, naningkamot man sad, limpyo man pamujo. Wala man mga ginamit nga toilet paper gisulod ug silupin, walay may tae gipang pahid2 sa bungbung kay na foreclosan.

Personal story ni. Naa mi balay sa akong bana nga among napalit as a foreclosure. Akong gi remodel ug among gipa rentahan. Sige ka late among tenant until one time 2 weeks jud so ni attraka dayun ko dala ug eviction letter.

Susmaryosep, mao diay dli kabayad sa renta kay bisan ug gasalig sila sa ilang social security check, asa ka, 3 flat screen tv, ang mga furniture high end kaau, ilang ref kanang tag $2,000+++ stainless mura kug naulaw nga nasapot. Sige hangyo2 pasayloon kuno ang late fees...jawa ra ! wala man gani mi flatscreen akong bana nga left and right mi trabaho. ang among tv, kadtong 10 yo niya nga tv pa...sus, among Christmas tree gani, salvage pa, 15 yrs old na. Nasuya jud ko pag-ayO !!!

Mao ni ang mga kaledad sa taw nga gusto nilang librehon sa tanan himatud pa sa obama care. mag-angay tang tanan, pareho ra ang madawat sa mga tapulan ug sa mga kugihan, sa mga practikal ug sa mga gastador !

Diri gud, makasuya kung aware ka sa mga government programs. Samot ka ma high blood kung maka adto jud ka sa mga slums.  Ang mga taw nga gasige ug ngawngaw about healthcare, about anything libre nga gikan sa government, kasagaran mao ang mga walay pangita. Syempre, alangan man, wala may mawala nila, gadawat naman sila ug cheke kada bulan sa gobyerno gikan sa buwis nga gibayad sa kadaghanan.

Dili bya ko dalo, pero dli lang sad ko pabor anang patas-patas tanan. unsa may pulos diay nga mag save ka, mag budget ka, maningkamot ka para modaghan imong kita para makaginhawa sad ka tanan kung kuhaon man lang sa gobyerno pinaagi sa buwis para ipang hatag sa mga taw nga ga tambay ra sa kilid2.

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« Reply #92 on: April 07, 2010, 02:51:41 PM »
The benefits of this law favors the majority, this must be taken into consideration first and foremost, this is what is called maka-masa.

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« Reply #93 on: April 08, 2010, 02:55:17 AM »
The benefits of this law favors the majority, this must be taken into consideration first and foremost, this is what is called maka-masa.

I respectfully disagree.

It may seem that way but the domino effect would make the country worse off. and now where would the masa go ?  My husband and I have a trucking business. Nothing big, just a small operation. With this bill, Obama might as well have killed all middle scale truckers. The big operations will pick up the slack that the middle ones can't keep up and we that are starting out can never grow bigger. Why ?  With everything regulated by the FEDS and the government wanting their pound of flesh at every turn, most businesses could no longer keep up with the expenses and in turn, would shut their doors leaving lots of employees unemployed. so now, you have a rise of unemployment.

This country is ran by a lot of small to middle business. Those that employ anywhere between 2-15 employees. The owners are comfortable, making anywhere from $100k-$200k a year. This is the segment of the population that runs the economy and employs more people as a whole than the large corporations because they are present everywhere.  With higher taxes, it would not be conducive for business and of course, the small scale operations will never grow and the ones that can't keep up will again, as stated above, will shut their doors and more people will be unemployed. We both know what that means. The rise of people hitting the poverty line, the rise of crime and less people donating to charity that otherwise take care of these people.

Contrary to popular belief, the American populace as a whole is a very generous society. Think of all the donations this country has given to  the poor around the world. Even our beloved Philippines, who do you think are the biggest donors and motivators behind Feed the children and Habitat ? But I don't think most people will donate if they themselves do not have enough money. Even if we think of the bible and of the story of the woman who gave everything she had to the church, In reality, how many of us would donate money and material things when your family needs it ? Would you give your last P1,000 to the church if your family does not have anything left to buy rice and supper the next day ?  Would you give your last P20 to help some stranger when your own son is dying and that P20 can buy his medicine ?

Please do not forget too that there is a good number of people out there that opt NOT to get insurance. A good friend of mine who owns an internet business makes roughly around $300,000/yr. They opt not to get insured because it will cost them less. When politicians are screaming that there are 46 million uninsured americans, they do not tell you that about 10 million of these are illegal aliens or non-citizens who will not qualify for universal healthcare.

That will leave us with about 36 million, a large group, but of these, about 18 million have income over $50,000/yr. More than half of them $75,000/yr. They surely can afford insurance...that's more than your average new filipina nurse here makes. ( And she will be expected to spend for those people through her taxes.) Those people chose not to have it but they surely can afford it if they want to. Did you know that your rate is different if you are uninsured ? My first hand experience : I do not have dental insurance but I needed  a tooth pulled as it was giving me misery. Had I had insurance, they would've charged me $300 with a $20 co-pay, but since I didn't they charged me $150. I used to pay $35/mo for years that I never had any dental problems, that would make it $420 gone to waste or $1260 for 3 years which I could've sent to my Papa in Bohol to buy glucerna , blood testing lancelets and other diabetic supplies.

In America, 83 million people already benefit from some sort of government healthcare (My Ate in Chicago does and her husband and her makes more than $100k combined). Close to 30% of the country is already living under government health care and there are 14 million more (uninsured) who already qualify for government insurance.

We do not need anymore taxes.  Specially for something that has no clear benefits and really would not benefit the Masa most people are talking about with the context they have in mind. What we need right now is the right kind of stimulus.

Here's a hypothetical : I am good friends with the owners of a good, long standing Filipino Restaurant here in Houston. From time to time, they take in TNTs, giving them jobs EVEN if they really do not need any more employees. Most of us would understand, we all probably know a few ourselves who are good people and just want to work for a better life.  With a hostile environment and higher taxes, do you think these restaurateurs can afford to take in theses TNTs out of charity ? of course not, they will not have a big profit margin enough to share. Sure, it is the christian way to share and be your brother's keeper, but in reality, that doesnt happen. Most people take care of their own first. ( and I bet you, they would rather spend some money helping fellow filipinos than to give it to the dregs in society through their taxes that will come rob them in the night...or in their parking lot) :o


To close this mini-novela (  ;) ) Your health is an issue of personal responsibility. If you chose to buy a flat screen tv instead of saving up for a rainy day, that is your problem. The really poor over here are already taken cared of by the government. The other "uninsured" can afford their health care even without insurance.  We really really really do not need anymore taxes. It will bring the economy down even further and even if we don't like to think about it, it will profoundly affect us Filipinos too. With a down economy, Ate, Kuya, Auntie, Uncle, Mommy and Daddy in the US can't send too much money back to Bohol because its tied up in taxes. What could've been a new sari-sari store or jeepney is now given to Uncle Sam as taxes to fund Obamacare.

And as the US continue to decline, there will be less and less nurses that they will be willing to import. Think of the millions of qualified, talented young filipino nurses who can't immigrate here because nobody will be willing to sponsor them anymore because the businesses that provide this service can't afford to. This means less $$$ coming in the good old Philippines ! as much as we don't want to admit it, OFWs and other workers bringing in $$$ helps our economy in Pinas a lot.

Our tourism back home would suffer. Its not those foreigners who are the bulk guests of our resorts, you know, but mostly balikbayans willing to drop hundreds of $$$ to bring 10-15 members of the family there for a good time. Seriously, Euros have themselves and wifey, but how many times have you seen them bring the entire clan ?? US based nurses do it all the time. Heck, most of my friends spend money in Bohol like its going out of style yet save and scrimp when they are here. Those taxes won't help them....oh yeah...if its in the bank, it gets taxed too...there is no escape !


 

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« Reply #94 on: April 08, 2010, 05:09:44 AM »
alycxs, I can´t disagree with nor  you say further comments since I´m not acquainted with your present social conditions. For sure the benefits of health insurance is on the side of the majority, my five cents.

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« Reply #95 on: April 08, 2010, 05:53:07 AM »
alycxs, I can´t disagree with nor  you say further comments since I´m not acquainted with your present social conditions. For sure the benefits of health insurance is on the side of the majority, my five cents.

 Not jus't the majority, but the illegal aliens as well.....

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« Reply #96 on: April 08, 2010, 06:06:06 AM »
Before this bill came into existence, my cousin works as an NGO in LA for illegal Mexicans, providing shelter and medical assistance.  America is a good country.

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« Reply #97 on: April 08, 2010, 06:11:02 AM »
Before this bill came into existence, my cousin works as an NGO in LA for illegal Mexicans, providing shelter and medical assistance.  America is a good country.

 Indeed!

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« Reply #98 on: April 08, 2010, 06:18:12 AM »
di man malibre ang mga illegal aliens kay dugay naman na silang libre sukad pa sa una when it comes to emergency care bisan dili illegals like mga uninsured libre man.

Pero i had been around illegal aliens wa man na sila mag palibre, for heaven's sake! naa man daghan docs sa California, moadto man sila sa mga clinics and pay fees to their doctors. Nganong di ko kabalo ana? because i was onced an illegal immigrant myself so i know nga wa mi libriha.

kana ilang ingon nga mga illegal librehon ,mao ra na ilang  panghadlok sa mga tawo para dili ma pasa ang HCR. Mao kamo nga wa kaagi ug illegal alien you dont REALLY know the real thing!



BTW the republicans were even in favor of  the HCR  before they opposed it! they only want Obama to fail.


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« Reply #99 on: April 08, 2010, 06:33:09 AM »
di man malibre ang mga illegal aliens kay dugay naman na silang libre sukad pa sa una when it comes to emergency care bisan dili illegals like mga uninsured libre man.

Pero i had been around illegal aliens wa man na sila mag palibre, for heaven's sake! naa man daghan docs sa California, moadto man sila sa mga clinics and pay fees to their doctors. Nganong di ko kabalo ana? because i was onced an illegal immigrant myself so i know nga wa mi libriha.

kana ilang ingon nga mga illegal librehon ,mao ra na ilang  panghadlok sa mga tawo para dili ma pasa ang HCR. Mao kamo nga wa kaagi ug illegal alien you dont REALLY know the real thing!

 MDB, hinaut unta nga wako nimo ma mis understood...Tinuod nga bisan illegal ang tawo, ila gyud nang tambalan basta magkinahanglan sa ilang tabang. My sister was a nurse in CAMP PENDLETON MARINE BASE & it happened nga didto gidala sa ilang hospital ang usa ka mexicanong nagkadugo dugo tungod sa iyang pagdagan sa usa ka barbed wire. They kept the person for 4 day's until nga naayo ang maong tawo...





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