Author Topic: Illegal Pinoys Staying in US Reached to 300,000 (Read 12223 times)

hofelina · « **Reply #40 on:** April 03, 2009, 06:54:50 AM »

I have been abroad to The Netherlands (Amsterdam) and to Ukraine and know that there is no such thing as illegal immigrant aid over there, or in most nations.

For your information Lorenzo, Dr Jose Maria Sison and family are staying in Utrecht, and they are getting support from the government out of humanitarian cause.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #41 on:** April 03, 2009, 07:00:34 AM »

Dodong i was an illegal immigrant and know a lot of the same, i dont remember if we get aid from the government. Yeah we work though and that we get money to feed ourselves. Any illegal immigs never get any aid of whatsoever, never even food stamps...

Ate Belle, they do.

This is an article alone concerning the city of Lost Angeles, California:

Through their citizen children, illegal immigrants in Los Angeles County collect $420 million annually in welfare and food stamps, according to a report requested by 5th District County Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich.

The Los Angeles County Department of Public Social Services told the supervisor that payments to illegal immigrantsâ€™ children amount to approximately 24% of the countyâ€™s combined CalWORKS and food stamps budget, officials said.

"What we found was kind of astonishing," said Tony Bell, an Antonovich aide.

Each month, the county doles out $77 million in CalWORKS assistance, $20 million of which goes to the citizen dependent children of illegal immigrants, said Helen Berberian, another Antonovich aide. CalWORKS is the stateâ€™s welfare-to-work program.

Along with CalWORKS assistance, the county approves $70 million every month in food stamps, with $15 million going to legal children of illegal immigrants, Berberian said.

The welfare payments go to nearly 100,000 children of 60,000 illegal immigrants, Antonovichâ€™s staff said. His staff estimated that Los Angeles County has almost 12% of the United Statesâ€™ illegal immigrant population.

http://wehategringos.com/whg/?p=1567

In the state of California, Ate Belle, over 10 billion dollars alone are spent for the housing, aid, education of illegals. etc.

On a national basis, over $29 BILLION are spent for educating illegal immigrant children; and children born to illegal immigrants.
This is just the educational aspect.

Please read:
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_researchf6ad

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_researchf6ad

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #42 on:** April 03, 2009, 07:04:39 AM »

I have been abroad to The Netherlands (Amsterdam) and to Ukraine and know that there is no such thing as illegal immigrant aid over there, or in most nations.

For your information Lorenzo, Dr Jose Maria Sison and family are staying in Utrecht, and they are getting support from the government out of humanitarian cause.

Tita Tess,

That is an outside case. Sison is also a communist, the leader of the Communist Party.

That does not apply to the entirety of all illegal immigrants in The Netherlands. And his stay in the Netherlands is asylum, but that is to be overturned.

"Sison has resided in the Netherlands where he is seeking asylum as a political refugee. A 2004 court ruling by the European Union endangers the residency status of Sison in Europe and he is expected to be expelled. "

Source:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5117128.stm

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hofelina · « **Reply #43 on:** April 03, 2009, 07:05:29 AM »

You are right Lorenzo, a cousin works in Non-governmental agency to assist undocumented immigrants in Los Angeles.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #44 on:** April 03, 2009, 07:09:37 AM »

I wrote a 20 paged paper on this in the Allegheny College History Department. I discussed this with my professors.

It is already beyond debate, guys. The level of monetary burden illegal immigration has on the United States is debilitating this nation.

And this is a constant situation. Every year, estimates say that there is over 100,000 immigrants (illegal) that cross the border to the United States.

Due to the fact that these illegal immigrants are undocumented, makes it harder for the United States government to appropriate information on them, and their activities.

The United States also suffers form the growth of Latin-American based gangs such as Crips, Reds, MS13, which all come from Latin American and have spread throughout the United States. They spread drugs, sell drugs, facilitate prostitution and such vices.

It is a virus that must be crushed. And cured.

For the sake of the youth of this country. For the American people.

Illegal immigration must be curbed.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #45 on:** April 03, 2009, 07:17:29 AM »

The Effects of Illegal Immigration on the American Educational System:

"With states straining under gaping budget shortfalls, public schools throughout the country are facing some of the most significant decreases in state education funding in decades. In some states, drastic cuts mean lay-offs for teachers, larger class sizes, fewer textbooks, and eliminating sports, language programs, and after-school activities. Nearly two-thirds of the states have cut back or proposed reductions in support for childcare and early childhood programs. Some are even shortening the school week from five days to four.

While these massive budget deficits cannot be attributed to any single source, the enormous impact of large-scale illegal immigration cannot be ignored. The total K-12 school expenditure for illegal immigrants costs the states nearly $12 billion annually, and when the children born here to illegal aliens are added, the costs more than double to $28.6 billion.

This enormous expenditure of the taxpayersâ€™ hard-earned contributions does not, however, represent the total costs. Special programs for non-English speakers are an additional fiscal burden as well as a hindrance to the overall learning environment. A recent study found that dual language programs represent an additional expense of $290 to $879 per pupil depending on the size of the class. In addition, because these children of illegal aliens come from families that are most often living in poverty, there is also a major expenditure for them on supplemental feeding programs in the schools. Those ancillary expenditures have not been included in the calculations in this report.

The data presented here provide yet one more illustration of the costs of turning a blind eye to illegal immigration and should provide further impetus for states to demand that the federal government finally take effective and decisive action to restore integrity to our nation's immigration laws. "

Read the full version:
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_researchf6ad

For me, I have friends who are teachers in New Jersey and in Pennsylvania and work in the public schools and they tell me that there are just too many children, and lack of fundings to provide for some children. The states always are clamoring for more Federal aid and grant to provide the education for AMERICAN Children.

And it infuriates me to know that every year, about $29 Billion is spent on things that should be spent for the needs of American students.

Every year, the United States over 2.5 Billion dollars to imprison illegal immigrants who broke American laws. And when they are in prison, they eat, they sleep, watch tv, all of which cost US Dollars.

And where do these dollars come from?

Answer: American Tax Payer Money.

It all comes down, YET AGAIN, to the American Tax Payer. The embattled Middle Class.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #46 on:** April 03, 2009, 07:24:28 AM »

If you all have a chance, I seriously recommend you guys read an article report:

â€œThe High Cost of Cheap Labor: Illegal Immigration and the Federal Budget.â€ Steven A. Camarota. Center for Immigration Studies (CIS).

and

Quick Facts about the Bureau of Prisons. Federal Bureau of Prisons. Updated December 2008.

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fdaray · « **Reply #47 on:** April 03, 2009, 07:50:24 AM »

Kon pwede dili na lang pabalikon sa 'Pinas kay nagdugang sa unemployment.

Gusto man nila nga mag tnt.

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hofelina · « **Reply #48 on:** April 03, 2009, 02:17:54 PM »

Do us a favor Loenzo, for heavenÂ´s sake digest your posting since time is not enough to read them all and well.
I admire your work, though.

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Mulligan · « **Reply #49 on:** April 03, 2009, 03:18:59 PM »

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And it infuriates me to know that every year, about $29 Billion is spent on things that should be spent for the needs of American students.

Every year, the United States over 2.5 Billion dollars to imprison illegal immigrants who broke American laws. And when they are in prison, they eat, they sleep, watch tv, all of which cost US Dollars.

And where do these dollars come from?

Answer: American Tax Payer Money.

It all comes down, YET AGAIN, to the American Tax Payer. The embattled Middle Class.

Bay Lorenzo,

I enjoyed reading and learning a lot from your post. You must be a wide reader.

So are you saying that partly to be blamed for americas (economic) struggle now adays is due to illegal immigrants? Well the truth and reality hurts for the american tax payers given the current situation in the US. But as a Filipino, I am suddened if part of those illegal immigrants are Filipinos. I know some of our kababayans (even my relatives) who struggled for so many years at the start before becoming a legal immigrants in the US.

On a higher perspective, could it be that america is spending so much budget on foreign militarization (and invasion) forgetting other issues like affordable college education for its citizens? Just asking.

Fore !

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enadespinosa · « **Reply #50 on:** April 03, 2009, 05:47:05 PM »

There is a payback time when these illegal immigrants are becoming legal,they are paying taxes and contribute to the economy,but we are in global crisis so illegal immigrants are ignored and blame,my sentiments are with them..

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hofelina · « **Reply #51 on:** April 03, 2009, 06:18:51 PM »

Economic wealth is not evenly distributed, as long as thereÂ´s no remedy to this social injustice and exploitations, illegal immigration will not stop. No light in the tunnel for this inveterate North-South conflict.

ps
Jesus heart belongs to the poor.

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guadalrose · « **Reply #52 on:** April 03, 2009, 07:19:33 PM »

The lazy americans are complaining that the illegal immigrants are taking their jobs, well if they arent lazy enough then there should have no jobs left for illegal immigrants. LOGIC!!

Pardon my ignornance. Under which economic theory or economic analysis would firmly support that illegal immigrants are to be blamed for americas economic turn down?

Consider the social context of illegal immigration and dont be so selfish in your critics. People would not take risks in becoming illegal immigrants if they have better choices at home. If you claim to be a filipino, you should have a heart for the Filipinos. Do you even have any idea that these illegal immigrants are feeding families, clans and sending their children, nephews, nieces to school?

Such a heartless and selffish comment.!!! If we claim to be Filipinos, let us feel for the Filipinos.

Lucky are those who were born with silver spoons, some are just even born with bare hands, to work...!!

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guadalrose · « **Reply #53 on:** April 03, 2009, 07:24:23 PM »

The term illegal immigrants is political incorrect. There are no illegal citizens of the world. We are all citizens of the world. We even welcome migrant birds and place them at utmost protection, ... but people?, hell no,we declare them illlegal! We place them in prison cells like criminals and send them back to their countries!

The politically correct term is undocumented immigrants.

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guadalrose · « **Reply #54 on:** April 03, 2009, 07:57:42 PM »

Even the holy pontiff Benedict during his visit to the US and many Catholic bishops and priests extended messages for amnesty and expounded the "moral obligation" to accommodate "those suffering from economic hardship".

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #55 on:** April 03, 2009, 08:38:00 PM »

The lazy americans are complaining that the illegal immigrants are taking their jobs, well if they arent lazy enough then there should have no jobs left for illegal immigrants. LOGIC!!

Pardon my ignornance. Under which economic theory or economic analysis would firmly support that illegal immigrants are to be blamed for americas economic turn down?

Consider the social context of illegal immigration and dont be so selfish in your critics. People would not take risks in becoming illegal immigrants if they have better choices at home. If you claim to be a filipino, you should have a heart for the Filipinos. Do you even have any idea that these illegal immigrants are feeding families, clans and sending their children, nephews, nieces to school?

Such a heartless and selffish comment.!!! If we claim to be Filipinos, let us feel for the Filipinos.

Lucky are those who were born with silver spoons, some are just even born with bare hands, to work...!!

which post your comment, quad, is pointing to answer? just asking.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #56 on:** April 03, 2009, 08:40:05 PM »

The term illegal immigrants is political incorrect. There are no illegal citizens of the world. We are all citizens of the world. We even welcome migrant birds and place them at utmost protection, ... but people?, hell no,we declare them illlegal! We place them in prison cells like criminals and send them back to their countries!

The politically correct term is undocumented immigrants.

you have a point here, quad.
it's just WE who create these boundaries.
if you look at the earth from space, it's just one place.

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guadalrose · « **Reply #57 on:** April 03, 2009, 08:58:58 PM »

Of course countries are protecting their economic interests. But blaming the undocumented immigrants for their short-comings which resulted to economic turn down? that is not fair.

The ballooning of undocumented immigrants in the US must be blamed on their immigration policies. If companies are stringent and do not hire "under the table" workers, there would be lesser undocumented immigrants. What is left actually for the undocumented workers are the dirty work, the crumbs.

WE always browse pages of the bible in search of enlightenment. Do we even remember the story of Lazarus and the Rich man? Lazarus was only feeding on crumbs left from the Rich man., right?

manglimbawt akong balahibo sa mga taong sigeg cite ug bible oi.. pero selective ra diay.

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guadalrose · « **Reply #58 on:** April 03, 2009, 09:06:19 PM »

No undocumented immigrant would want to remain undocumented. The only good deed of the infamous american Ex-President Bush is his endorsement of the new Immigration bill. I do not know if this was passed. I do not know of the details though.

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windgate · « **Reply #59 on:** April 03, 2009, 09:06:37 PM »

lami basahon injong mga comment... way labot nang mga palabtik. hehehe

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #60 on:** April 03, 2009, 09:30:14 PM »

Ate Belle, they do.

This is an article alone concerning the city of Lost Angeles, California:

http://wehategringos.com/whg/?p=1567

In the state of California, Ate Belle, over 10 billion dollars alone are spent for the housing, aid, education of illegals. etc.

On a national basis, over $29 BILLION are spent for educating illegal immigrant children; and children born to illegal immigrants.
This is just the educational aspect.

Please read:
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_researchf6ad

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_researchf6ad

dont believe an article Dodong, believe me because i tried to get the same thing but they ask us any dosuments.

Maybe you are referring to hospitalization and medicines. America is obliged to cure everyone. But most undocs never asked aid in fear of deportations.

Natingala jud ko on how the undocs got those aids. that i myself was one and never get any? Most undocs specialy (latinos) too were the ones working under minimum wages. but even then they never ask help from the government.

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guadalrose · « **Reply #61 on:** April 03, 2009, 09:40:03 PM »

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Ate Belle, they do.

This is an article alone concerning the city of Lost Angeles, California:

http://wehategringos.com/whg/?p=1567

In the state of California, Ate Belle, over 10 billion dollars alone are spent for the housing, aid, education of illegals. etc.

On a national basis, over $29 BILLION are spent for educating illegal immigrant children; and children born to illegal immigrants.
This is just the educational aspect.

Please read:
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_researchf6ad

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_researchf6ad

Really? This article is so inconsistent, why? The writer does not even know that all children born in the States are american citizens by birth, that is irregardless if their parents are undocumented or not.

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guadalrose · « **Reply #62 on:** April 03, 2009, 09:43:16 PM »

Although I do not believe in that article which has been picked up from anywhere else in the net, I still do believe that education and other basic services are for everybody, irregardless if he is a son or daughter of an undocumented immigrant or not.

Undocumented immigrants are people. It does not make them less people just because they do not have papers to support for it.

Asa ra man atong pagka Christianos ani? Na-sina ta sa mga mumho nga gikaon sa mga undocumented immigrants while busog ta kaayo sa atong panimalay`?

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Raquelproud boholana · « **Reply #63 on:** April 03, 2009, 10:38:03 PM »

Naa bitaw ko kaila although legal citizen sila kay american iya bana unya na lay off sa trabaho then syempre ing apply ug unemployment ingon pa niya perti daw ka strict oi daghan kono documents pangayuon hapit nalang gud daw sila mo give up.Akong pangutanan ani nga naglisod man gani ug kuha ug welfare ang legal unsa pa ba kaha ang illegal.
In my own opinion dapat fair pud ta tanan nga mosunod sa policy sa nasud kay di baya lalim ning mag apply tag visa para makasulod diri unya para sa uban sayon sayonon rag ambak ang boarder exempted ang filipino ani kay sa tinuod lang kinsa ba gud di mobalik sa pilipinas ug hatagan lang unta ug visa nga dili strictohan.Unfair sad ang immigration kay kung makabasa mo sa ubang nation sayon ra sila makasulod diri samantala ang mga Pinoy moagi pa ka ug ganghaan nga murag dagum usa makasulod sa america.Mao ning uban Dineyos ning pagsulod diri pero wa nay option kay lagi nangita ug maayong ugma mao antuson nalang ang magtago tago.Legal man jud tanan Pinoy ingsulod diri pero ing overstay lang ang kasagaran di pareha anang mga mexican nga perti ambak sa kuraw.At least ang mga Pinoy ing sulod jud na sila nga naay visa mostly tourist visa ang mexican ug ubang latino walang ka visa visa.

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colliers · « **Reply #64 on:** April 04, 2009, 05:30:12 AM »

Of course countries are protecting their economic interests. But blaming the undocumented immigrants for their short-comings which resulted to economic turn down? that is not fair.

The ballooning of undocumented immigrants in the US must be blamed on their immigration policies. If companies are stringent and do not hire "under the table" workers, there would be lesser undocumented immigrants. What is left actually for the undocumented workers are the dirty work, the crumbs.

WE always browse pages of the bible in search of enlightenment. Do we even remember the story of Lazarus and the Rich man? Lazarus was only feeding on crumbs left from the Rich man., right?

manglimbawt akong balahibo sa mga taong sigeg cite ug bible oi.. pero selective ra diay.

is the US government blaming the illegal immigrants outright?

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Bambi · « **Reply #65 on:** April 04, 2009, 05:52:58 AM »

Unsa man ug masakpan ning mga USA TNT (illegal immigrants)? what is the punishment? will they put in jail and/or some other penalty?

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Raquelproud boholana · « **Reply #66 on:** April 04, 2009, 06:14:05 AM »

Sa akong nadungog i deport man daw.But one time dihay duha 2 ka illegal immigrant nga mexican sa among area.Gireport sa mga tawo then gi pick up sa police gidala sa county jail.Unya gitawagan sa county jail ang immigration kabalo mo unsay ingon sa immigration wala kono silay daghan manpower mo pick up sa illegal immigrant mao pabuhian na raman kono.Mao to gibuhian ug pinoy pa to wa na gi handcup na to ug gi datain ug dugay pero mexican man.

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Bambi · « **Reply #67 on:** April 04, 2009, 06:20:53 AM »

ah mao bah? may special treatment diay ang mga Mexicans. But as what I believe abtik man sad ning mga Pinoy kay naanad man ug pangbitik ug manok sa ato...dili gjod masakspan kay kusog modagan whhaha

Bitaw...i hope that those Pinoys had talked in California are all legals...well, they have jobs, anyway.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #68 on:** April 04, 2009, 08:19:39 AM »

Bay Lorenzo,

I enjoyed reading and learning a lot from your post. You must be a wide reader.

So are you saying that partly to be blamed for americas (economic) struggle now adays is due to illegal immigrants? Well the truth and reality hurts for the american tax payers given the current situation in the US. But as a Filipino, I am suddened if part of those illegal immigrants are Filipinos. I know some of our kababayans (even my relatives) who struggled for so many years at the start before becoming a legal immigrants in the US.

On a higher perspective, could it be that america is spending so much budget on foreign militarization (and invasion) forgetting other issues like affordable college education for its citizens? Just asking.

Fore !

Bedo,

In terms and regards to the fiscal aspect, yes it does. The some 300,000 illegal Filipinos in the United States is miniscule as compared to the same undocumented 20~ million Latin Americans in the United States. Miniscule, if you think about it in the larger scheme.

The situation regarding illegal immigration in the United States cannot be answered by mere simplistic terms, as the situation illustrates the multifactorial and pluripotency of the said situation.

One, first and foremost, it is a result of the failure of the United States national guard and the border security to properly maintain and scrutinize the magnitiude of illegal human trade into the United States. The situaiton in the ground is complex, and has been in discussion not only within the halls of the US Congress but within the pillars of Academia and think tanks in Washington.

Case in point, if you don't know this, but as we speak right now the Calderon government in Mexico is fighting an all-out war against the Mexican Drug cartels near the city of Tijuana, in Northern Mexico, which is in close proximity with Baja California (a north western Mexican state close to the border of California, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada and Texas regional arc.

Due to the porous border between the United States and Mexico, has led to the facilitation of the widespread massive illegal human migration. Most of the Mexican immigrants are part of the drug trade and are responsible for shuttling marijuana, cocaine, heroine and other drug paraphenilia from markets of Columbia, Nicaragua, Venezuela and Mexico here into the United States. This translates into a domestic and demographic problem for United States law enforcement, which currently is fighting and dealing with the growth of Latin-American based gangs (MS-13, Crips, Reds etc). Prostitution is also a problem. This is a concern not only for the United States Government, but for social watch groups such as the ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union) that is concerned for the rights of Americans and persons who are being smuggled and placed in slave-like conditions (sadly this is a reality for some peoples here in the United States).

The problem, due to its shear size (considering the United States Government estimates anywhere between 11-20+ million illegal undocumented immigrants)poses as a logistical and economic burden for the United States.

This issue is a problem that both the Democratic and Republican Party in the United States have to tackle, as this translates in the weakness of the American southern border, a error that needs to be addressed.

You have to analyze the situation in the perspective of the American Citizen. We must take into consideration that there is about some 305 Million US Citizens, a considerate proportion are elderly, and are in need of medical care/ medicare (the funds of which are said to be depleted within 15-20 years), we have to also take into consideration the growing American population, educational demands, infrastructural demands and maintenance cost, military defense budget, state budgets, global assistance budget. Due to the already over-burdened United States Fiscal budget, clearly, an additional some 29 Billion dollars used to educate illegals, soem 2.5 billion dollars used to imprison illegals, and some the varying sources of monetary burden expedited to provide economic assistance, does and absolutely takes a definite toll for the United States.

To the American Citizen, it is an injustice and clearly illustrates the failure of the border system, to which must be alleviated and addressed to properly address and assess this unprecedented situation here in the United States. To which is of strategic and economic imperative for the United States of America.

-Lorenzo

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #69 on:** April 04, 2009, 08:27:23 AM »

The lazy americans are complaining that the illegal immigrants are taking their jobs, well if they arent lazy enough then there should have no jobs left for illegal immigrants. LOGIC!!

Pardon my ignornance. Under which economic theory or economic analysis would firmly support that illegal immigrants are to be blamed for americas economic turn down?

Consider the social context of illegal immigration and dont be so selfish in your critics. People would not take risks in becoming illegal immigrants if they have better choices at home. If you claim to be a filipino, you should have a heart for the Filipinos. Do you even have any idea that these illegal immigrants are feeding families, clans and sending their children, nephews, nieces to school?

Such a heartless and selffish comment.!!! If we claim to be Filipinos, let us feel for the Filipinos.

Lucky are those who were born with silver spoons, some are just even born with bare hands, to work...!!

Guadalrose,

The situation of illegal immigration is a concern that needs to be assessed as it is a violation of jurisprudence and the law established by the United States of America, as promulgated by the United States Constitution.

We are not blaming the Filipinos, we are not selectively targeting, we are addressing the entire situation in the ground, which is a pluripotent and multifactorial, multi-causative, which translates into--unfortunately, regressive effects for the United States.

Legal migration and legal procedures should be followed, as mandated and promulgated by the Law.

We are not being heartless towards the Filipino people and community. There are some 2.5 million Filipino-Americans who came to this country vis-a-vis legal means and in accordance to the due process of the Law.

We are addressing the situation in the ground in terms of economic, political means and its effects on the United States and the Fiscal Budget.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #70 on:** April 04, 2009, 08:38:20 AM »

Of course countries are protecting their economic interests. But blaming the undocumented immigrants for their short-comings which resulted to economic turn down? that is not fair.

The ballooning of undocumented immigrants in the US must be blamed on their immigration policies. If companies are stringent and do not hire "under the table" workers, there would be lesser undocumented immigrants. What is left actually for the undocumented workers are the dirty work, the crumbs.

WE always browse pages of the bible in search of enlightenment. Do we even remember the story of Lazarus and the Rich man? Lazarus was only feeding on crumbs left from the Rich man., right?

manglimbawt akong balahibo sa mga taong sigeg cite ug bible oi.. pero selective ra diay.

Guadalrose, please do not take this personally, as it was not intended to any persons, but an address on my part, on the economic, political, and overall--strategic effects of illegal immigration to the United States.

Clearly, this issue has been hotly debated within the members of Congress and in many border states with Mexico. Both parties (The Democratic and Republican) have already expressed the need to address the situation and to fix and curve the porous border in the south, which has led to the massive and unprecedented migration of peoples to the United States illegaly. Many of whom are part of the Mexican drug cartels that shuttles illegal drug paraphenilia into the United States--and its effects on the domestic level has been outright and obvious, in terms on the strain on law enforcement. There have been incidences of shuttling vans filled with peoples, and many of whom were led in the wrong direction, other instances of Latin-Americans crossing the desert and dying in the desert, as a result of being led in the wrong direction. (Many illegal immigrants actually pay people to give them directions to border states and openings and as a result, a business has been made to traffic individuals through the border; as a result of this, prostitution rings, drug rings, etc have sprouted in the border states. Namely: Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, Texas, California and surrounding states.

The United States has to address the border situation as well as work with the governments in latin and south american countries to develop businesses in their nation to alleviate the economic situation that has led hundreds of thousands to migrate to the United States, at the expense of the United States.

We are dealing with logistics, we are dealing with constitutional rights of American citizens, we are dealing with the integrity and right of individual states to patrol the border, to which discourse has already been made to build a solid fence between the border of Mexico and the United States.

This is a national security issue; one in which is an utmost concern for the United States of America.

Respectfully Yours,
Lorenzo

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #71 on:** April 04, 2009, 08:58:33 AM »

Bay Lorenzo,

I enjoyed reading and learning a lot from your post. You must be a wide reader.

So are you saying that partly to be blamed for americas (economic) struggle now adays is due to illegal immigrants? Well the truth and reality hurts for the american tax payers given the current situation in the US. But as a Filipino, I am suddened if part of those illegal immigrants are Filipinos. I know some of our kababayans (even my relatives) who struggled for so many years at the start before becoming a legal immigrants in the US.

On a higher perspective, could it be that america is spending so much budget on foreign militarization (and invasion) forgetting other issues like affordable college education for its citizens? Just asking.

Fore !

Bedo,

You ask very important questions, and are insightful, my friend.

Yes, I agree with you that the United States clearly has multiple hurdles to tackle, including the global economic situation (but I remain positive and optimistic considering the successful dialogue in the G20 meetings).

Illegal immigration is an issue to be addressed because it addresses the failures of the border system, to which is imperative for national security for the United States, and these instances have to be addressed by the INS and associated governmental agencies.

We understand the dreams of people to come here to the United States, but formalities should be followed, and should be followed by lawful means. As to follow the law, afterall, is biblical. But, I concede to the fact that yes, Filipino, Vietnamese, Indian and Chinese immigrants that came to the United States through illegal and unlawful means mostly are educated. That is the difference, when we analyze the situation in the ground, thus we notice differences treatment.

Believe it or not, most of the 100,000+ Illegal Indian-immigrants are people who came to United States via a visa and or green card, but overstayed, the reason why the United States is far more lenient to them and Filipinos is due to the fact that these individuals are educated and have college degrees (Bachelor's, masters and even doctoral). They contribute to the overall American Economic Machine, and even in the education processes.

The problem we have and we observe, is the some 20~ million undocumented illegal latin americans who neither have education and have little to no knowledge in English. Please note that yes, the resiliency of the Filipno is oundoubted. They master english, they assimilate to the culture, and they follow means and measure to become legal immigrants despite the fact that yes they did come to the country illegally. They acquire green cards, and resident visa status, and ultimately, through time and through paying taxes, are granted Citizenship.

The drug trafficking situation here in the United States is a result of the porous border between the United States of America and Mexico; and due to the fact that there is not enough national guardsmen presence in the border and due to the vastness of the border, has led and facilitated the massive, massive migration of latin americans to the United States. Many of whom have no education, many of whom don't know english, many of whom are rebels, many of whom are drug traffickers, many of whom are prostitutes, etc.

As I said, this situation is complex, and cannot be answered by simplistic means, but requires the reader's diligence and research into the situation on the ground.

It is definitely a problem that must be addressed, and I hope and pray that the Obama Administration solve this problem.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #72 on:** April 04, 2009, 09:27:45 AM »

illegal immigrants, as we normally call them, can only wait
either be caught or given a chance to live legally in the US
but given their status, they should help the US economy
rather than become contributors of headache to an existing problem
you know what i mean...

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Mulligan · « **Reply #73 on:** April 04, 2009, 09:32:21 AM »

Bedo,

You ask very important questions, and are insightful, my friend.

Yes, I agree with you that the United States clearly has multiple hurdles to tackle, including the global economic situation (but I remain positive and optimistic considering the successful dialogue in the G20 meetings).

Illegal immigration is an issue to be addressed because it addresses the failures of the border system, to which is imperative for national security for the United States, and these instances have to be addressed by the INS and associated governmental agencies.

We understand the dreams of people to come here to the United States, but formalities should be followed, and should be followed by lawful means. As to follow the law, afterall, is biblical. But, I concede to the fact that yes, Filipino, Vietnamese, Indian and Chinese immigrants that came to the United States through illegal and unlawful means mostly are educated. That is the difference, when we analyze the situation in the ground, thus we notice differences treatment.

Believe it or not, most of the 100,000+ Illegal Indian-immigrants are people who came to United States via a visa and or green card, but overstayed, the reason why the United States is far more lenient to them and Filipinos is due to the fact that these individuals are educated and have college degrees (Bachelor's, masters and even doctoral). They contribute to the overall American Economic Machine, and even in the education processes.

The problem we have and we observe, is the some 20~ million undocumented illegal latin americans who neither have education and have little to no knowledge in English. Please note that yes, the resiliency of the Filipno is oundoubted. They master english, they assimilate to the culture, and they follow means and measure to become legal immigrants despite the fact that yes they did come to the country illegally. They acquire green cards, and resident visa status, and ultimately, through time and through paying taxes, are granted Citizenship.

The drug trafficking situation here in the United States is a result of the porous border between the United States of America and Mexico; and due to the fact that there is not enough national guardsmen presence in the border and due to the vastness of the border, has led and facilitated the massive, massive migration of latin americans to the United States. Many of whom have no education, many of whom don't know english, many of whom are rebels, many of whom are drug traffickers, many of whom are prostitutes, etc.

As I said, this situation is complex, and cannot be answered by simplistic means, but requires the reader's diligence and research into the situation on the ground.

It is definitely a problem that must be addressed, and I hope and pray that the Obama Administration solve this problem.

Bay Lorenzo,

Asa naba tong akong gi post earlier nawala man! Basin nasalaag to sa joke section. haha. Anyway, kini ato mga opinion ra man ni. Hinaut unta nga dili nato ni e personal ang mga tubag dinhe.

Anyway, the tone of your post is a typical american to me. Something that maybe taken out of context and can be construed as "selfish" comment coming from a "once" filipino (?) hehe. You nailed it and that's the way it should be and should be controlled if not totally eliminate the influx of undocumented people coming to america. For me personally I was stunned when you said "its a virus and it should be crushed". Mura man pud ug atong gilubong ang mga damggo sa mga nag tnt na diri. But to be honest, I have high respect for these individuals. Why? They survive everyday and sacrificed a lot, deprived from the benefits a regular american citizen workers have especially medical benefits.

Sige bay ayo ayo, keep posting and happy weekend. Manglaba pa ko.

Fore!

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #74 on:** April 04, 2009, 09:32:54 AM »

Yes, there are individuals who came to the United States illegally, but respected the Law and appropriated means to become legal residents and ultimately resident aliens.

Critical to this is applying for a green card, payment of taxes, and following American Laws and statutes.

The United States, is willing to accomodate those who came here illegally, as the United States tries to solve the border situation, which has been the cause of so much heartache, America is not deaf to the cries and demands of those who are in need. If she was deaf, the Unite States would not have provided some $29 Billion worth in educational aid for illegal immigrant children and or children of illegal immigrants. The United States provides asylum, provides medical care for those waiting trial an relocation/deportation.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #75 on:** April 04, 2009, 09:41:05 AM »

Bay Lorenzo,

Asa naba tong akong gi post earlier nawala man! Basin nasalaag to sa joke section. haha. Anyway, kini ato mga opinion ra man ni. Hinaut unta nga dili nato ni e personal ang mga tubag dinhe.

Anyway, the tone of your post is a typical american to me. Something that maybe taken out of context and can be construed as "selfish" comment coming from a "once" filipino (?) hehe. You nailed it and that's the way it should be and should be controlled if not totally eliminate the influx of undocumented people coming to america. For me personally I was stunned when you said "its a virus and it should be crushed". Mura man pud ug atong gilubong ang mga damggo sa mga nag tnt na diri. But to be honest, I have high respect for these individuals. Why? They survive everyday and sacrificed a lot, deprived from the benefits a regular american citizen workers have especially medical benefits.

Sige bay ayo ayo, keep posting and happy weekend. Manglaba pa ko.

Fore!

Bedo,

And I respect your opinion and your voice should be heard. As you raise rather academic and insightful questions that should be heard and analyzed not only by us Americans, but also should be heard and read by Filipinos and abroad so that we have a better understanding and relegation of information on said issue. As this issue is a global one, one that not only affects the United States, but peoples of the world that look to come to the United States and immigrate legally, but, as a result of unchecked and unprecedented illegal migration, has led to the development of harder and increased screening in the process--which translates into a longer waiting period for those who are law abiding potential legal immigrants who follow the due process of the law.

In accordance to The Laws of the Republic of the Philippines and the Laws of the United States of America.

Secondly, Bedo, I apologize when I used the term 'crushed', but I was referring that comment to the drug traffickers and drug cartels and prostitution ringers that come to the United States through the porous border between Mexico and the United States.

This has resulted in a catastrophic situation--leading to the development of nation-wide gang activity--which have been correlated and linked to Latin American countries and Latin American-based drug trafficking as well as human trafficking, which is an issue that is a concern not only for the United States government and law enforcement, but for the United Nations and said watch groups that are fighting to curve human trafficking.

Please note that my comment was intended and addressed the drug traffickers and gang members that have debilitated and continue to harm the American youth, and endanger the future of the American people.

Thank You, Sir, for sharing your brilliant opinion and point of view.
I respect you for that.

-Lorenzo

The United States also suffers form the growth of Latin-American based gangs such as Crips, Reds, MS13, which all come from Latin American and have spread throughout the United States. They spread drugs, sell drugs, facilitate prostitution and such vices.

It is a virus that must be crushed. And cured.

For the sake of the youth of this country. For the American people.

Illegal immigration must be curbed.

Just to provide my statement again.

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #76 on:** April 04, 2009, 09:41:54 AM »

Bay Lorenzo,

Asa naba tong akong gi post earlier nawala man! Basin nasalaag to sa joke section. haha. Anyway, kini ato mga opinion ra man ni. Hinaut unta nga dili nato ni e personal ang mga tubag dinhe.

Anyway, the tone of your post is a typical american to me. Something that maybe taken out of context and can be construed as "selfish" comment coming from a "once" filipino (?) hehe. You nailed it and that's the way it should be and should be controlled if not totally eliminate the influx of undocumented people coming to america. For me personally I was stunned when you said "its a virus and it should be crushed". Mura man pud ug atong gilubong ang mga damggo sa mga nag tnt na diri. But to be honest, I have high respect for these individuals. Why? They survive everyday and sacrificed a lot, deprived from the benefits a regular american citizen workers have especially medical benefits.

Sige bay ayo ayo, keep posting and happy weekend. Manglaba pa ko.

Fore!

Bedo na touch jud ko sa imong gi comment. Lisud man gud mo comment ug wa ka naka suway. Tinuod jud na kay ako sa una bisan way papel, nag bajad baja tawon ko ug taxes bisan kabalo ko nga di na to mobalik nako.

Akong maikasulti nga akong banana Merikan kaajo ug wala shay gikasaway sa mga tawo nga ning tabuk, ning lupad man o ning kamang. Ang ija ikasulti nga he admired those people nga ning risk daw (like me) nga ning bija sa ija yutang natawhan kay nangita ug kapanibaan! Honest. Mao sad na akong ma admire ni banana kay he always admired even to the most undocs nga nag antos ug trabaho bisan tag ko-sing ra ang sweldo/hour. Swerte lang ko kay i had a talent to lure employers mao nga i got good paying job. But even then, i was so scared of getting sick kay wa man lagi koy health insurance ug mahadlok man sad ko ma ospital kay pangutan-on man jud ka ug asa ka natawo. Alang2x mo ingnon ko nga natawo ko sa Oregon nga pangitaan man ug birth certificate. Mao nga i divert myself into anykind of sports kay mao raman nay maka tabang nako away from getting sick.

No one could relate things like undoc immigs if one never experienced it.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #77 on:** April 04, 2009, 09:51:28 AM »

I appreciate your personal story, Ate Belle, as it provides perspective.

In college, I worked at the local counseling center (as a volunteer), where many troubled youth were; and some cases that I worked were of children who came to the 'states via illegal immigration. Many of whom were deserted by their parents, and when I read their reports, it is astonishing to know that such cases are similar across the nation.

Illegal immigrant parents that work as produce workers have been known to leave their children behind, many of these youth, who have no family or friends in the United States, usually go into crime, join gangs, and propagate a life that directs them to the prison system.

It is truly a sad situation, but one that must be addressed, and must be taken into serious consideration.

Thank you for sharing your personal story. I mean that.

Respectfully Yours,
Lorenzo

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Mulligan · « **Reply #78 on:** April 04, 2009, 10:11:00 AM »

Bay Lorenzo,

Human na ko ug pang kuso.

Diri sa bay ako ra may mag boot ... kanus-a ko manglaba, magloto.

Yes, I stand corrected on that. My apologies.

Cheers!

The United States also suffers form the growth of Latin-American based gangs such as Crips, Reds, MS13, which all come from Latin American and have spread throughout the United States. They spread drugs, sell drugs, facilitate prostitution and such vices.

It is a virus that must be crushed. And cured.

For the sake of the youth of this country. For the American people.

Illegal immigration must be curbed.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #79 on:** April 04, 2009, 10:15:55 AM »

Bay Lorenzo,

Human na ko ug pang kuso.

Diri sa bay ako ra may mag boot ... kanus-a ko manglaba, magloto.

Yes, I stand corrected on that. My apologies.

Cheers!

haha, that is what I like. Our ability to exchange information without getting personal.

Examplary of Lincoln-Douglass debate format.

My respects,
God Bless,
Lorenzo

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