Author Topic: Illegal Pinoys Staying in US Reached to 300,000 (Read 15467 times)

aduy · « **on:** April 02, 2009, 03:11:15 PM »

An estimated 300,000 Filipinos are staying in the United States illegally as of January 2008, data from the US Department of Homeland Security revealed.

The DHS report said the Philippines is the fourth leading source of illegal immigrants in the country as of January 2008.

Mexico remained the leading source of unauthorized immigrants to the US with an estimated seven million Mexicans living in the US illegally. The next leading source countries for unauthorized immigrants in 2008 were El Salvador (570,000), Guatemala (430,000), the Philippines (300,000) and Honduras (300,000).

Overall, a total of 11.6 million immigrants are estimated to be staying in the US illegally as of January 2008, which declined from 11.8 million recorded a year earlier.

The DHS said an estimated 8.8 million of the total 11.6 million unauthorized immigrants living in the United States in 2008 were from the North America region, including Canada, Mexico, the Caribbean, and Central America. The next leading regions of origin were Asia (1.2 million) and South America (850,000).

The department defines unauthorized residents as foreign-born persons who entered the US without inspection or were admitted temporarily and stayed past the date they were required to leave. Unauthorized immigrants applying for adjustment to lawful permanent residence under the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) Section 245(i) are unauthorized until they have been granted legal permanent residency status, even though they may have been authorized to work.

Most illegal immigrants staying in California

The DHS report said California remained the leading state of residence of the unauthorized immigrant population in 2008, with 2.9 million; followed by Texas (1.7 million), Florida (840,000) and New York (640,000). Californiaâ€™s share of the national total declined from 30 percent in 2000 to 25 percent in 2008.

The DHS said males represented 57 percent of the unauthorized immigrant population in 2008. Males accounted for 62 percent of the unauthorized population in the 18 to 34 age group in 2008 while females accounted for 52 percent of the 45 and older age groups.

The DHS has said the number of Filipinos immigrating to the United States posted a significant decline last year. It said the number of Filipinos immigrating to the US fell from 74,606 in 2006 to 72,596 the following year to 54,030 in 2008.

The Philippines slid from the third biggest source of immigrants in the US, overtaken by India despite a slight decrease in their own numbers during the same period.

Mexico remained the top source of immigrants followed by China.

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Bambi · « **Reply #1 on:** April 02, 2009, 06:37:46 PM »

Hi aduy!

thanks for posting this. we just arrived last Tuesday afternoon after our 3 weeks holidays from California, Arizona, Utah and Nevada. abi nimo...i really feel at home meeting lot of our kababayan doon from different places. had a short talked with one somewhere from Luzon, a young man at the age of early 40 He was the one who distributed us an audio tour ear phones when we had our Alcatraz visit "He proudly said: you know, i am only here for money but most of the times my mind and heart is in our country. After saving...i will be home! Also in Las Vegas, a Filipina salesgirl was entertaining us. Daghan sa gambling places doing their assigned jobs. kinsa naman tawon roy nahibilin sa ato?

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hofelina · « **Reply #2 on:** April 02, 2009, 06:44:09 PM »

Filipinos are resilient, last Macau visit, our tour guide is a lady from Baguio who speaks fluent Canton and Mandarin, the chief security in the Museum is a Filipino. Then we ate lunch in a hotel, tanang mga ladies mga Pinay.

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Bambi · « **Reply #3 on:** April 02, 2009, 06:52:47 PM »

scattered ug sanay ta kaayo Ms. Tess, di ba? sayang lang nga ang mga Germans nagkagamay.

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aduy · « **Reply #4 on:** April 02, 2009, 09:04:21 PM »

Hi aduy!

thanks for posting this. we just arrived last Tuesday afternoon after our 3 weeks holidays from California, Arizona, Utah and Nevada. abi nimo...i really feel at home meeting lot of our kababayan doon from different places. had a short talked with one somewhere from Luzon, a young man at the age of early 40 He was the one who distributed us an audio tour ear phones when we had our Alcatraz visit "He proudly said: you know, i am only here for money but most of the times my mind and heart is in our country. After saving...i will be home! Also in Las Vegas, a Filipina salesgirl was entertaining us. Daghan sa gambling places doing their assigned jobs. kinsa naman tawon roy nahibilin sa ato?

ang nahabilin sa atoa kadtong mga dili kaantos og kaguol (homesick) maong walay kursanada molangyaw sa laing dapit.

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enadespinosa · « **Reply #5 on:** April 02, 2009, 09:32:16 PM »

Risk taker ang mga pinoy Aduy, I was once an illegal immigrant in Spain before,its not easy..

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aduy · « **Reply #6 on:** April 02, 2009, 09:48:39 PM »

tinuod jud na, risk taker kitang mga pinoy tungod sad walay oportunidad sa atong kaugalingong nasod.

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Raquelproud boholana · « **Reply #7 on:** April 02, 2009, 10:51:43 PM »

Mao ni gi ingon sa akong Mother nganong mouli siya nga greencard holder naman unta permanent residence pag abot jud diri.Giingnan nako siya before ingbalik sa atua nga pastilan Nanay daghan intawon nagtago tago diri unya ikaw sayon sayonon ra nimo ug uli.One month and half ra gud akong Nanay diri liman mong 1 week pa siya diri ingon na dayon mouli ko.Wa nako pugngi akong inahan kay unsaon iya kalipay wa man diri sa U.S tua man sa atua.

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #8 on:** April 02, 2009, 10:55:30 PM »

Mao ni gi ingon sa akong Mother nganong mouli siya nga greencard holder naman unta permanent residence pag abot jud diri.Giingnan nako siya before ingbalik sa atua nga pastilan Nanay daghan intawon nagtago tago diri unya ikaw sayon sayonon ra nimo ug uli.One month and half ra gud akong Nanay diri liman mong 1 week pa siya diri ingon na dayon mouli ko.Wa nako pugngi akong inahan kay unsaon iya kalipay wa man diri sa U.S tua man sa atua.

Duy sayup na kay 299,999 nalang kay na minyo naman ko! hahaha I was a very illegal for 12 years but i live my life like an amerikan. I never associated much Pinoys even the people from the town where i live back home. Akong associates didto few Bol-anons, i felt at home with Bol-anon jud!

Tinuod jud na Quel, akong mga kasagupa mamisita nako diri mao pa gani pag abut nag hisgut na ug uli! haahhaha

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aduy · « **Reply #9 on:** April 02, 2009, 11:08:23 PM »

Duy sayup na kay 299,999 nalang kay na minyo naman ko! hahaha I was a very illegal for 12 years but i live my life like an amerikan. I never associated much Pinoys even the people from the town where i live back home. Akong associates didto few Bol-anons, i felt at home with Bol-anon jud!

hahahaha..dugaya sad diay nag TNT noh? maau kay dili ka kuyawan og magsuroy ka nga undocumented man? ka isog sad nimo ms db dah.

congrats legal na diay imo stay diha so naa nay imong SSS, maka avail na ka og unsay mga privileges for being an American. pwde na ka mobakasyon sa Bohol hehehehehe..

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #10 on:** April 02, 2009, 11:38:35 PM »

Duy, sa una bag-o pa ko arang hadloka! kay hadlokon man ko sa akong kababayan. Then i got my drivers licence and SSS on my own after 2 years mao nga ning depart na ko sa mga kababayan nako. Yeah i drove a new car, rented my own apartment and party like what other single women does. Pero mao lagi na akong ginabantayan nga di makasala like masakpan ka ug drugs or maka ligis or makapatay whci i know layo kaayo ko ana nga crimes. I was safe, until i realized nga kamingaw ba nang mo uli ka sa imong apartment nga way mo greet nimo. how are you doing? PAIT JUD! (for me, mingaw as in)

Yup nothing wrong being a TNT basta mo follow lang ka sa rules and regulations sa imong host country.

"I made it through the rain" kung sa kanta pa.

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aduy · « **Reply #11 on:** April 03, 2009, 12:40:20 AM »

ah, pwede man ipadala sa Maalaala Mo Kaya imong kaagi or sa Handuman sa Usa ka Awit unya ang theme song I made it to the rain hehehehe......bitaw ang success nato naa ra sad sa atoa og dili maningkamot wala jud mahimo sa atong kinabuhi.

parehas sad sa akong mego nag tourist sa France unya nag TNT umabot ng 7 years bago na legal iya stay kay nagpakasal man sa usa ka french citizen pero dummy lang para malegal iya stay pagkahuman og kasal yon parang walang nangyari maskin gani cguro kuan wala matilawi basta lang magkaroon og visa.

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thegirlnextdoor · « **Reply #12 on:** April 03, 2009, 04:20:15 AM »

I was watching a townhall show on a Manila channel about two weeks ago and the immigration Atty. guest speaker on the shwwas from California and said that if anyone over stays they could never be reconsidered for re issuance of an American Visa again.

Many of my girlfreinds in America had babies with Mexicans and then the dads of their babies were jailed from being captured in drug raids.

Deported and never heard from again. I have known Filipino seamen whoo jumped ship in the 80's and have held wonderfull jobs working at Boeing Co.

Many illegal visitor's come for the work and work hard is what they do. Mexicans are laborous workers and Philippinos are medical workers and other various professional positions.

If you are in a country make yourself legal and do not do anything that would physically harm someone or kill them and do not get involved with drugs and stay away from wrong assocation. And enjoy the law and the protection that you have in the country where I am from.
I miss not being able to see flashing police car lights and a car being pulled over on every block where they enforce the law and impliment it as well for everyone with out exemptions.

It's okay to be patriotic for two countreis at the same time. I know I am.

Sure I have been here eight years and I am mingaw but soon I will be going home to give my mom a hug and everyone else. I hope aso that I can meet in person other TB members whenI am back home in America.

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lindy · « **Reply #13 on:** April 03, 2009, 04:22:50 AM »

aduy mahimo ba palihog ug imong makuha ug pila usab nang mga iligal nga naa namuyo diha sa Pilipinas kay sigurado kong daghan illigal alliens diha sa ato.

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aduy · « **Reply #14 on:** April 03, 2009, 04:39:33 AM »

aduy mahimo ba palihog ug imong makuha ug pila usab nang mga iligal nga naa namuyo diha sa Pilipinas kay sigurado kong daghan illigal alliens diha sa ato.

mao ni breakdown nga nag illigal sa atoa.

A breakdown of their nationalities showed that the Chinese topped the list of excluded aliens with 160; followed by Koreans, 70; Nigerians, 60; Taiwanese, 46; Indians, 44; Americans, 42; Ghanians, 39; and Japanese, 33. (BI News)

pls visit: http://immigration.gov.ph/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=424&Itemid=78

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thegirlnextdoor · « **Reply #15 on:** April 03, 2009, 04:54:59 AM »

I beleive that only just a few Americans over stay here. Me I am a resident card holder legal asa beagle.

Im not that stupid to abuse my staying priveladges I must set an example of respect to this country and mine at the same time.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #16 on:** April 03, 2009, 05:08:31 AM »

I beleive that only just a few Americans over stay here. Me I am a resident card holder legal asa beagle.

Im not that stupid to abuse my staying priveladges I must set an example of respect to this country and mine at the same time.

Priscilla,

They wont give you trouble in the Philippines. I mean, you are an American Citizen, and you bring income to the local economy. Technically you are a tourist-resident. So you contribute to the local growth.

Any tourist to the Philippines has that effect. Which is, on an overall consensus, a positive effect on the local market/economy.

Additionally, you are a citizen of the United States of America.

A citizen of the world's Hyper Power.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #17 on:** April 03, 2009, 05:18:31 AM »

I speak as a tax-paying American and am annoyed that the United States is too hospitable towards illegal immigrants who come here through illegal means.

First of all, illegal immigrants that come here do not pay taxes, but the United States government provides economic aid to them, which, might I add, are provided for by hard-earned American tax payer money. Blood and sweat money.

Illegal immigrants are provided governmental medical care.

I am a staunch supporter of the American Middle Class. It is the middle class that has to shoulder most of the taxes this government instills, middle class that drives the 14.5 TRILLION dollar American Economy.

There are estimated over 20 million some undocumented ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS in the United States!

Many of those come from Mexico and Latin America.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #18 on:** April 03, 2009, 05:24:38 AM »

Please note that no other government in the world is as hospitable as the United States concerning illegal immigrants.

I have been abroad to The Netherlands (Amsterdam) and to Ukraine and know that there is no such thing as illegal immigrant aid over there, or in most nations.

Yet when American citizens go abroad, there are some governments abroad that will not even give aid to American citizens in need.

The United States provides BILLIONS of dollars in economic aid/relief towards other nations, yet where were the other nations when Katrina hit the United States in 2005? It angers me that the world always demands so much from the United States, yet whenever the United States is in need, little to none are sent to our shores. Quick to criticize the US, but also quick to ask for aid.

Yet at the same time, in 2004 when the Asian Tsunami hit Asia, the United States pledged billions of dollars for relief aid and sent the naval convoys to help rebuild and recover bodies.

Hypocrisy of some nations.

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david · « **Reply #19 on:** April 03, 2009, 05:29:42 AM »

dia baya poy daghan illegal diri sa nederlands pero og way mo reklamo nimo pabayaan lang pod ka

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aduy · « **Reply #20 on:** April 03, 2009, 05:31:17 AM »

maskin asa naa jud illegal, diri gani sa middle east nga strict diri naa japon mga illegal pinoy labina sa Dubai daghan jamo.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #21 on:** April 03, 2009, 05:38:35 AM »

Illegal migration is a natural as it follows the flow of 'supply and demand' in economics.

But over here in the United States, we have over 20+ Million illegal immigrants. Undocumented immigrants who are recieving governmental aid and take American Jobs.

Think about it, let us just say that each illegal immigrant is getting $500 a month from the US government, that equals to an unprecedented $ 10 BILLION every month. That totals to about $120 BILLION every year.

$120 BILLION worth of Tax Payer Money is being spent by government to provide aid to illegal immigrants (this is not including medical care provisions, housing, food, child care, schools etc etc)

$120 BILLION is around 1/4th the Philippine's Gross National Product.

The United States needs to curve illegal immigration.

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bridge · « **Reply #22 on:** April 03, 2009, 05:48:30 AM »

However, many other countries with refugee assistance and refugee reception.

Take the example that the U.S. has received only 190 Iraqi refugees until November 2008, while small countries in Europe, with over 9 environment's own people have opened doors to some 20 000 Iraqi refugees! Obama has said that the U.S. must open up to about 7000 Iraqi refugees, but it is going slow, I believe,,, So the war costs have been biased towards the other countries in the world ..

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #23 on:** April 03, 2009, 05:55:34 AM »

The United States isn't subject to loose door policies, there are proper and legal procedures one needs to take into consideration to gain entry into the United States.

As for Iraqi refugees, the United States is currently in a war against terrorism. Whose to say some of the refugees will not do damage to the United States or plot suicide attacks within our midst.

Strategic initiative on Washington's part.

Please let me reiterate, there are over 20 MILLION illegal immigrants in the United States; the US has enough trouble as it is providing assistance to them, let alone, those who would come here as refugees.

There is a large difference between 20,000 to 20,000,000.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #24 on:** April 03, 2009, 06:03:42 AM »

Please note that so far, there are about 2,627 Iraqis that have been resettled in the United States.

Please also read history. In 1975, after the fall of Saigon, within 8 months, the United States admitted an overwhelming 130,000 Vietnamese refugees to the United States.

Who said we are biased?

Its called initiative. The war is still going on. And refugees and aid to them cost money. The United States' coffers isn't infinite. We are having economic troubles as it is.

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bridge · « **Reply #25 on:** April 03, 2009, 06:06:07 AM »

Its important to know the differenc between the statistic,, I dont talk about illegal immigrant, I talk about reguges,, its a big diffrent! And the goverment in US had just, for 3 weeks ago, self sign a commitment with the worlds leader to help the Irakq people to apply reguges status to US..

When someone apply for refuges status its a legal process with criteria who can use it or not. Dont mix refuges and illegal immigrants statistic, its big different. My statistic its about refuges status,,

The statistic also show, that many Iraq people who had got refuges status in europe now had move back to Irak, because they want to be there and build up the new country. Actually the highest statistic to move back are just the iraq people,,,

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #26 on:** April 03, 2009, 06:12:07 AM »

It matters not, Bridge.

Either it be refugee or illegal immigrants, it all stems back to governmental provision for them. Does it not? Who bears the cost for economic aid to refugees in the 'states? Who pays for their airplane tickets? Who pays for the education of their children?Who pays and provides for their housing, who provides for their monthly stipend?

The United States Government does.
Where does the United States government get funds to appropriate such spending?

The American Citizen and the American Tax Payer money.

The United States doesn't have to open its doors blindly to any refugee. Screening process is rigid here in the United States. Good for the Europeans who open their doors to refugees. As a collective, the EU can afford more.

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bridge · « **Reply #27 on:** April 03, 2009, 06:12:22 AM »

Yeah, I know the war cost, like tax payer in US, Philippines and in a European country, at the same time! But US had self been the active part in the war, so of course they need to talk the costs too.

But still had US not follow the commitment to clean up in Vietnamn after the war! I had work there with aid progam in the old military zones, for other international organizations than americans!

No, I am not really proud!

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hofelina · « **Reply #28 on:** April 03, 2009, 06:15:45 AM »

After the first visit of Pres Obama to Europe, he requested the countries to accept the ex-prisoners of Guantanamo, the taxpayers were speechless.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #29 on:** April 03, 2009, 06:17:37 AM »

In the perspective of the American Citizen,

Why should we pay taxes and have our taxes to be used to send refugees of foreign lands to the United States? The United States spends and provides billions of dollars worth in aid annually as it is.

Money should be spent for growth and maintenance of infrastructure; maintenance of roads, bridges, highways, building new schools, building new prisons, hospitals, airports etc.

More programs and policies that affects the average American citizen. Increasing and solving the medical system and medicare system for the elderly, reforming the educational system for our American youth, reforming the welfare systems to be used for American Citizens and/or documented Legal immigrants/ resident aliens.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #30 on:** April 03, 2009, 06:19:22 AM »

Obama should never close Guantanamo. He is also insisting that these terrorists be placed in Federal penitentiaries.

Terrorist do not deserve to be placed in our midst nor should they be placed in prisons in Europe.

But this is beyond and outside the scope of topic.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #31 on:** April 03, 2009, 06:21:31 AM »

Yeah, I know the war cost, like tax payer in US, Philippines and in a European country, at the same time! But US had self been the active part in the war, so of course they need to talk the costs too.

But still had US not follow the commitment to clean up in Vietnamn after the war! I had work there with aid progam in the old military zones, for other international organizations than americans!

No, I am not really proud!

The United States has no obligation to rebuild Communist Vietnam. Such action that you are inferring would require pluripotency. The United States fulfilled its pledge and relationship with the defeated government of South Vietnam by opening its doors to the Vietnamese who were fleeing Vietnam and under assault by the Communist North Vietnamese.

The United States' action was unprecedented.

Over 131,000 Vietnamese immigrants were granted refugee status in the United States and relocated in the United States.

Unprecedented.

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hofelina · « **Reply #32 on:** April 03, 2009, 06:27:49 AM »

Hold your breath Lorenzo, Pres Obama wishes to close the Guantanamo and release the prisoners, dinhi niya i-itsa sa Europe! Paloma ang mga Kano ug pamereso, walay klaro nga terorista jud kining mga tawhana, pataka man lang si George kay na-paranoid na, unya karon Europe ang masagop.

ps
Sorry bridge, here is the english translations of my postings; I take the Americans to be blamed for holding prisoners who are not really identified as terrorist since George (meaning Bush) is getting paranoid already, and now Europe is being asked to take them into their territory.

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bridge · « **Reply #33 on:** April 03, 2009, 06:28:41 AM »

I dont agree with you,, If a country have enough money to start war,, they need to have afford to rebuild too... A big level of illegal immigrants its more a question about bad politicans.

To discuss on the level on airplanes tickets,, no, for me its a bigger and higher level than that,, So I drop that level of discussion there,, After 3 years in position to handle immigrants issue, at the immigration board..

I respect your opinion, but I really dont share it! I really suffer with the iraq people and to leave your country in war, its really nothing you dream about, they always live with the dream to move back, and a high number of them had also done that now.

I am self a "immigrant" with 3 residence status in 3 different countries, because of my job, its something else,,,, to help people in need, I think I have afford to pay around 40 % in taxes,, when other dont have food, clothes and no peace coz of the war..

"Broken people find it difficult to build the broken homes"

Cheers

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bridge · « **Reply #34 on:** April 03, 2009, 06:34:21 AM »

Hofelina, yeah Pres Obama he wish to close the Guantanamo base.

Many country leader in the world had press Obama to that too, probably thats why some of them come and stay in different countries prison. Many of them had not got an international court hearing, contrary to the international legal system. I am not familiar with it but I think some cases should be examined in the War Crimes Tribunal.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #35 on:** April 03, 2009, 06:39:35 AM »

Also, Bridge, there is a difference when comparing the situation in Iraq to that of Vietnam some 3 decades ago.

The situation in Vietnam was complete and unnavigable considering the defeat of the nation of South Vietnam in 1975. The North Vietnamese conquest of Saigon united the two nations under one banner. The Democratic Socialist Republic of Vietnam.

Considering the United States was a strategic ally of the South Vietnamese, it had an obligation to offer assistance to the South Vietnaese (mostly soldiers of south vietnam and their families, politicians, bankeres, capitalists, academians etc). In good faith, the United States would not allow them to be persecuted by the Communists, so therefore offered them refugee status to the United States. Many of whom were relocated to Idaho, Georgia, Louisiana, Nebraska, and other Midwestern states.

The situation in Iraq is categorically different as Iraq was liberated by the United States Military, toppling over Sadam Hussein and its regime. The sectarian violence we saw in Iraq after the American Invasion in 2003 was due to the porous border between Iraq and Syria, Iran, etc.

The violence and level of violence has substantially decreased, due to American military presence and preserverance, which has led to the training of over 400,000 Iraqi military and police/paramilitary personnel.

The American Military presence vied for time to allow the development of Iraqi Democracy, to the government we see today, which has prospered and is a success for American Geopolitcal experiment. The government of Iraq, which was once feared to collapse due to the difference and inability for Sunni and Shi'i to collaborate, as seen in 2003-2006. However, the Iraqi people have united in disgust of the terrorists that come to the country, and as a result, there has been a high degree of cooperation between Sunni, Shi'i and Kurds.

The newly formed and American-Trained Iraqi Republican Army has taken initiative and has lifted the pressure on the United States Military in the region; taking patrol routes and providing stability to regions that were once rife with sectarian violence and high terrorist activity. Minimized.

Additionally, the United States Government provides an unprecedented aid to the Iraqi government and people; leading to the development of infrastructure, hospitals, market districts etc.

Iraq is a success for the United States, and with time, with American support, the Iraqi people will no longer need to go abroad as refugees, but seek and re-establish their lives again in Iraq.

Within the 6 year time line, since the Invasion of Iraq in 2003, the United States Military and Government has accomplished alot in Iraq. Most importantly is the supplanting of a Western-styled Democracy in the Middle East.

As you see, the two theaters; Iraq and Vietnam is totally different. The former is a success story, and the latter was a political and military discrepancy that required America to open its doors to its former ally.

Cheers,
Lorenzo

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #36 on:** April 03, 2009, 06:41:36 AM »

Hofelina, yeah Pres Obama he wish to close the Guantanamo base.

Many country leader in the world had press Obama to that too, probably thats why some of them come and stay in different countries prison. Many of them had not got an international court hearing, contrary to the international legal system. I am not familiar with it but I think some cases should be examined in the War Crimes Tribunal.

This is a topic that is not en lieu with the subject matter.

Get back to the topic.

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #37 on:** April 03, 2009, 06:41:38 AM »

Think about it, let us just say that each illegal immigrant is getting $500 a month from the US government, that equals to an unprecedented $ 10 BILLION every month. That totals to about $120 BILLION every year.

$120 BILLION worth of Tax Payer Money is being spent by government to provide aid to illegal immigrants (this is not including medical care provisions, housing, food, child care, schools etc etc)

$120 BILLION is around 1/4th the Philippine's Gross National Product.

The United States needs to curve illegal immigration.

Dodong i was an illegal immigrant and know a lot of the same, i dont remember if we get aid from the government. Yeah we work though and that we get money to feed ourselves. Any illegal immigs never get any aid of whatsoever, never even food stamps...

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bridge · « **Reply #38 on:** April 03, 2009, 06:44:02 AM »

Yeah, The situation is differnet with Vietnam and Iraq. I had never compare them.. And still in April 2009 people from Iraq apply for refuges status in different countries....

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #39 on:** April 03, 2009, 06:50:48 AM »

Yeah, The situation is differnet with Vietnam and Iraq. I had never compare them.. And still in April 2009 people from Iraq apply for refuges status in different countries....

You did compare them, You posted:

But still had US not follow the commitment to clean up in Vietnamn after the war! I had work there with aid progam in the old military zones, for other international organizations than americans!

No, I am not really proud!

Your post inferred that the United States should help in Vietnam, but it did. It took in 131,000 Vietnamese. As, technically speaking, that is what it was able to do. The United States could not rebuild Vietnam immediatley after the war due to the political rammifcations and the differences Hanoi and Washington had. Must remember that the two governments were in military conflict since 1967.

Cheers.

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hofelina · « **Reply #40 on:** April 03, 2009, 06:54:50 AM »

I have been abroad to The Netherlands (Amsterdam) and to Ukraine and know that there is no such thing as illegal immigrant aid over there, or in most nations.

For your information Lorenzo, Dr Jose Maria Sison and family are staying in Utrecht, and they are getting support from the government out of humanitarian cause.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #41 on:** April 03, 2009, 07:00:34 AM »

Dodong i was an illegal immigrant and know a lot of the same, i dont remember if we get aid from the government. Yeah we work though and that we get money to feed ourselves. Any illegal immigs never get any aid of whatsoever, never even food stamps...

Ate Belle, they do.

This is an article alone concerning the city of Lost Angeles, California:

Through their citizen children, illegal immigrants in Los Angeles County collect $420 million annually in welfare and food stamps, according to a report requested by 5th District County Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich.

The Los Angeles County Department of Public Social Services told the supervisor that payments to illegal immigrantsâ€™ children amount to approximately 24% of the countyâ€™s combined CalWORKS and food stamps budget, officials said.

"What we found was kind of astonishing," said Tony Bell, an Antonovich aide.

Each month, the county doles out $77 million in CalWORKS assistance, $20 million of which goes to the citizen dependent children of illegal immigrants, said Helen Berberian, another Antonovich aide. CalWORKS is the stateâ€™s welfare-to-work program.

Along with CalWORKS assistance, the county approves $70 million every month in food stamps, with $15 million going to legal children of illegal immigrants, Berberian said.

The welfare payments go to nearly 100,000 children of 60,000 illegal immigrants, Antonovichâ€™s staff said. His staff estimated that Los Angeles County has almost 12% of the United Statesâ€™ illegal immigrant population.

http://wehategringos.com/whg/?p=1567

In the state of California, Ate Belle, over 10 billion dollars alone are spent for the housing, aid, education of illegals. etc.

On a national basis, over $29 BILLION are spent for educating illegal immigrant children; and children born to illegal immigrants.
This is just the educational aspect.

Please read:
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_researchf6ad

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_researchf6ad

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #42 on:** April 03, 2009, 07:04:39 AM »

I have been abroad to The Netherlands (Amsterdam) and to Ukraine and know that there is no such thing as illegal immigrant aid over there, or in most nations.

For your information Lorenzo, Dr Jose Maria Sison and family are staying in Utrecht, and they are getting support from the government out of humanitarian cause.

Tita Tess,

That is an outside case. Sison is also a communist, the leader of the Communist Party.

That does not apply to the entirety of all illegal immigrants in The Netherlands. And his stay in the Netherlands is asylum, but that is to be overturned.

"Sison has resided in the Netherlands where he is seeking asylum as a political refugee. A 2004 court ruling by the European Union endangers the residency status of Sison in Europe and he is expected to be expelled. "

Source:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5117128.stm

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hofelina · « **Reply #43 on:** April 03, 2009, 07:05:29 AM »

You are right Lorenzo, a cousin works in Non-governmental agency to assist undocumented immigrants in Los Angeles.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #44 on:** April 03, 2009, 07:09:37 AM »

I wrote a 20 paged paper on this in the Allegheny College History Department. I discussed this with my professors.

It is already beyond debate, guys. The level of monetary burden illegal immigration has on the United States is debilitating this nation.

And this is a constant situation. Every year, estimates say that there is over 100,000 immigrants (illegal) that cross the border to the United States.

Due to the fact that these illegal immigrants are undocumented, makes it harder for the United States government to appropriate information on them, and their activities.

The United States also suffers form the growth of Latin-American based gangs such as Crips, Reds, MS13, which all come from Latin American and have spread throughout the United States. They spread drugs, sell drugs, facilitate prostitution and such vices.

It is a virus that must be crushed. And cured.

For the sake of the youth of this country. For the American people.

Illegal immigration must be curbed.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #45 on:** April 03, 2009, 07:17:29 AM »

The Effects of Illegal Immigration on the American Educational System:

"With states straining under gaping budget shortfalls, public schools throughout the country are facing some of the most significant decreases in state education funding in decades. In some states, drastic cuts mean lay-offs for teachers, larger class sizes, fewer textbooks, and eliminating sports, language programs, and after-school activities. Nearly two-thirds of the states have cut back or proposed reductions in support for childcare and early childhood programs. Some are even shortening the school week from five days to four.

While these massive budget deficits cannot be attributed to any single source, the enormous impact of large-scale illegal immigration cannot be ignored. The total K-12 school expenditure for illegal immigrants costs the states nearly $12 billion annually, and when the children born here to illegal aliens are added, the costs more than double to $28.6 billion.

This enormous expenditure of the taxpayersâ€™ hard-earned contributions does not, however, represent the total costs. Special programs for non-English speakers are an additional fiscal burden as well as a hindrance to the overall learning environment. A recent study found that dual language programs represent an additional expense of $290 to $879 per pupil depending on the size of the class. In addition, because these children of illegal aliens come from families that are most often living in poverty, there is also a major expenditure for them on supplemental feeding programs in the schools. Those ancillary expenditures have not been included in the calculations in this report.

The data presented here provide yet one more illustration of the costs of turning a blind eye to illegal immigration and should provide further impetus for states to demand that the federal government finally take effective and decisive action to restore integrity to our nation's immigration laws. "

Read the full version:
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_researchf6ad

For me, I have friends who are teachers in New Jersey and in Pennsylvania and work in the public schools and they tell me that there are just too many children, and lack of fundings to provide for some children. The states always are clamoring for more Federal aid and grant to provide the education for AMERICAN Children.

And it infuriates me to know that every year, about $29 Billion is spent on things that should be spent for the needs of American students.

Every year, the United States over 2.5 Billion dollars to imprison illegal immigrants who broke American laws. And when they are in prison, they eat, they sleep, watch tv, all of which cost US Dollars.

And where do these dollars come from?

Answer: American Tax Payer Money.

It all comes down, YET AGAIN, to the American Tax Payer. The embattled Middle Class.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #46 on:** April 03, 2009, 07:24:28 AM »

If you all have a chance, I seriously recommend you guys read an article report:

â€œThe High Cost of Cheap Labor: Illegal Immigration and the Federal Budget.â€ Steven A. Camarota. Center for Immigration Studies (CIS).

and

Quick Facts about the Bureau of Prisons. Federal Bureau of Prisons. Updated December 2008.

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fdaray · « **Reply #47 on:** April 03, 2009, 07:50:24 AM »

Kon pwede dili na lang pabalikon sa 'Pinas kay nagdugang sa unemployment.

Gusto man nila nga mag tnt.

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hofelina · « **Reply #48 on:** April 03, 2009, 02:17:54 PM »

Do us a favor Loenzo, for heavenÂ´s sake digest your posting since time is not enough to read them all and well.
I admire your work, though.

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Mulligan · « **Reply #49 on:** April 03, 2009, 03:18:59 PM »

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And it infuriates me to know that every year, about $29 Billion is spent on things that should be spent for the needs of American students.

Every year, the United States over 2.5 Billion dollars to imprison illegal immigrants who broke American laws. And when they are in prison, they eat, they sleep, watch tv, all of which cost US Dollars.

And where do these dollars come from?

Answer: American Tax Payer Money.

It all comes down, YET AGAIN, to the American Tax Payer. The embattled Middle Class.

Bay Lorenzo,

I enjoyed reading and learning a lot from your post. You must be a wide reader.

So are you saying that partly to be blamed for americas (economic) struggle now adays is due to illegal immigrants? Well the truth and reality hurts for the american tax payers given the current situation in the US. But as a Filipino, I am suddened if part of those illegal immigrants are Filipinos. I know some of our kababayans (even my relatives) who struggled for so many years at the start before becoming a legal immigrants in the US.

On a higher perspective, could it be that america is spending so much budget on foreign militarization (and invasion) forgetting other issues like affordable college education for its citizens? Just asking.

Fore !

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enadespinosa · « **Reply #50 on:** April 03, 2009, 05:47:05 PM »

There is a payback time when these illegal immigrants are becoming legal,they are paying taxes and contribute to the economy,but we are in global crisis so illegal immigrants are ignored and blame,my sentiments are with them..

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hofelina · « **Reply #51 on:** April 03, 2009, 06:18:51 PM »

Economic wealth is not evenly distributed, as long as thereÂ´s no remedy to this social injustice and exploitations, illegal immigration will not stop. No light in the tunnel for this inveterate North-South conflict.

ps
Jesus heart belongs to the poor.

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guadalrose · « **Reply #52 on:** April 03, 2009, 07:19:33 PM »

The lazy americans are complaining that the illegal immigrants are taking their jobs, well if they arent lazy enough then there should have no jobs left for illegal immigrants. LOGIC!!

Pardon my ignornance. Under which economic theory or economic analysis would firmly support that illegal immigrants are to be blamed for americas economic turn down?

Consider the social context of illegal immigration and dont be so selfish in your critics. People would not take risks in becoming illegal immigrants if they have better choices at home. If you claim to be a filipino, you should have a heart for the Filipinos. Do you even have any idea that these illegal immigrants are feeding families, clans and sending their children, nephews, nieces to school?

Such a heartless and selffish comment.!!! If we claim to be Filipinos, let us feel for the Filipinos.

Lucky are those who were born with silver spoons, some are just even born with bare hands, to work...!!

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guadalrose · « **Reply #53 on:** April 03, 2009, 07:24:23 PM »

The term illegal immigrants is political incorrect. There are no illegal citizens of the world. We are all citizens of the world. We even welcome migrant birds and place them at utmost protection, ... but people?, hell no,we declare them illlegal! We place them in prison cells like criminals and send them back to their countries!

The politically correct term is undocumented immigrants.

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guadalrose · « **Reply #54 on:** April 03, 2009, 07:57:42 PM »

Even the holy pontiff Benedict during his visit to the US and many Catholic bishops and priests extended messages for amnesty and expounded the "moral obligation" to accommodate "those suffering from economic hardship".

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #55 on:** April 03, 2009, 08:38:00 PM »

The lazy americans are complaining that the illegal immigrants are taking their jobs, well if they arent lazy enough then there should have no jobs left for illegal immigrants. LOGIC!!

Pardon my ignornance. Under which economic theory or economic analysis would firmly support that illegal immigrants are to be blamed for americas economic turn down?

Consider the social context of illegal immigration and dont be so selfish in your critics. People would not take risks in becoming illegal immigrants if they have better choices at home. If you claim to be a filipino, you should have a heart for the Filipinos. Do you even have any idea that these illegal immigrants are feeding families, clans and sending their children, nephews, nieces to school?

Such a heartless and selffish comment.!!! If we claim to be Filipinos, let us feel for the Filipinos.

Lucky are those who were born with silver spoons, some are just even born with bare hands, to work...!!

which post your comment, quad, is pointing to answer? just asking.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #56 on:** April 03, 2009, 08:40:05 PM »

The term illegal immigrants is political incorrect. There are no illegal citizens of the world. We are all citizens of the world. We even welcome migrant birds and place them at utmost protection, ... but people?, hell no,we declare them illlegal! We place them in prison cells like criminals and send them back to their countries!

The politically correct term is undocumented immigrants.

you have a point here, quad.
it's just WE who create these boundaries.
if you look at the earth from space, it's just one place.

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guadalrose · « **Reply #57 on:** April 03, 2009, 08:58:58 PM »

Of course countries are protecting their economic interests. But blaming the undocumented immigrants for their short-comings which resulted to economic turn down? that is not fair.

The ballooning of undocumented immigrants in the US must be blamed on their immigration policies. If companies are stringent and do not hire "under the table" workers, there would be lesser undocumented immigrants. What is left actually for the undocumented workers are the dirty work, the crumbs.

WE always browse pages of the bible in search of enlightenment. Do we even remember the story of Lazarus and the Rich man? Lazarus was only feeding on crumbs left from the Rich man., right?

manglimbawt akong balahibo sa mga taong sigeg cite ug bible oi.. pero selective ra diay.

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guadalrose · « **Reply #58 on:** April 03, 2009, 09:06:19 PM »

No undocumented immigrant would want to remain undocumented. The only good deed of the infamous american Ex-President Bush is his endorsement of the new Immigration bill. I do not know if this was passed. I do not know of the details though.

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windgate · « **Reply #59 on:** April 03, 2009, 09:06:37 PM »

lami basahon injong mga comment... way labot nang mga palabtik. hehehe

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #60 on:** April 03, 2009, 09:30:14 PM »

Ate Belle, they do.

This is an article alone concerning the city of Lost Angeles, California:

http://wehategringos.com/whg/?p=1567

In the state of California, Ate Belle, over 10 billion dollars alone are spent for the housing, aid, education of illegals. etc.

On a national basis, over $29 BILLION are spent for educating illegal immigrant children; and children born to illegal immigrants.
This is just the educational aspect.

Please read:
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_researchf6ad

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_researchf6ad

dont believe an article Dodong, believe me because i tried to get the same thing but they ask us any dosuments.

Maybe you are referring to hospitalization and medicines. America is obliged to cure everyone. But most undocs never asked aid in fear of deportations.

Natingala jud ko on how the undocs got those aids. that i myself was one and never get any? Most undocs specialy (latinos) too were the ones working under minimum wages. but even then they never ask help from the government.

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guadalrose · « **Reply #61 on:** April 03, 2009, 09:40:03 PM »

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Ate Belle, they do.

This is an article alone concerning the city of Lost Angeles, California:

http://wehategringos.com/whg/?p=1567

In the state of California, Ate Belle, over 10 billion dollars alone are spent for the housing, aid, education of illegals. etc.

On a national basis, over $29 BILLION are spent for educating illegal immigrant children; and children born to illegal immigrants.
This is just the educational aspect.

Please read:
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_researchf6ad

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_researchf6ad

Really? This article is so inconsistent, why? The writer does not even know that all children born in the States are american citizens by birth, that is irregardless if their parents are undocumented or not.

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guadalrose · « **Reply #62 on:** April 03, 2009, 09:43:16 PM »

Although I do not believe in that article which has been picked up from anywhere else in the net, I still do believe that education and other basic services are for everybody, irregardless if he is a son or daughter of an undocumented immigrant or not.

Undocumented immigrants are people. It does not make them less people just because they do not have papers to support for it.

Asa ra man atong pagka Christianos ani? Na-sina ta sa mga mumho nga gikaon sa mga undocumented immigrants while busog ta kaayo sa atong panimalay`?

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Raquelproud boholana · « **Reply #63 on:** April 03, 2009, 10:38:03 PM »

Naa bitaw ko kaila although legal citizen sila kay american iya bana unya na lay off sa trabaho then syempre ing apply ug unemployment ingon pa niya perti daw ka strict oi daghan kono documents pangayuon hapit nalang gud daw sila mo give up.Akong pangutanan ani nga naglisod man gani ug kuha ug welfare ang legal unsa pa ba kaha ang illegal.
In my own opinion dapat fair pud ta tanan nga mosunod sa policy sa nasud kay di baya lalim ning mag apply tag visa para makasulod diri unya para sa uban sayon sayonon rag ambak ang boarder exempted ang filipino ani kay sa tinuod lang kinsa ba gud di mobalik sa pilipinas ug hatagan lang unta ug visa nga dili strictohan.Unfair sad ang immigration kay kung makabasa mo sa ubang nation sayon ra sila makasulod diri samantala ang mga Pinoy moagi pa ka ug ganghaan nga murag dagum usa makasulod sa america.Mao ning uban Dineyos ning pagsulod diri pero wa nay option kay lagi nangita ug maayong ugma mao antuson nalang ang magtago tago.Legal man jud tanan Pinoy ingsulod diri pero ing overstay lang ang kasagaran di pareha anang mga mexican nga perti ambak sa kuraw.At least ang mga Pinoy ing sulod jud na sila nga naay visa mostly tourist visa ang mexican ug ubang latino walang ka visa visa.

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colliers · « **Reply #64 on:** April 04, 2009, 05:30:12 AM »

Of course countries are protecting their economic interests. But blaming the undocumented immigrants for their short-comings which resulted to economic turn down? that is not fair.

The ballooning of undocumented immigrants in the US must be blamed on their immigration policies. If companies are stringent and do not hire "under the table" workers, there would be lesser undocumented immigrants. What is left actually for the undocumented workers are the dirty work, the crumbs.

WE always browse pages of the bible in search of enlightenment. Do we even remember the story of Lazarus and the Rich man? Lazarus was only feeding on crumbs left from the Rich man., right?

manglimbawt akong balahibo sa mga taong sigeg cite ug bible oi.. pero selective ra diay.

is the US government blaming the illegal immigrants outright?

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Bambi · « **Reply #65 on:** April 04, 2009, 05:52:58 AM »

Unsa man ug masakpan ning mga USA TNT (illegal immigrants)? what is the punishment? will they put in jail and/or some other penalty?

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Raquelproud boholana · « **Reply #66 on:** April 04, 2009, 06:14:05 AM »

Sa akong nadungog i deport man daw.But one time dihay duha 2 ka illegal immigrant nga mexican sa among area.Gireport sa mga tawo then gi pick up sa police gidala sa county jail.Unya gitawagan sa county jail ang immigration kabalo mo unsay ingon sa immigration wala kono silay daghan manpower mo pick up sa illegal immigrant mao pabuhian na raman kono.Mao to gibuhian ug pinoy pa to wa na gi handcup na to ug gi datain ug dugay pero mexican man.

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Bambi · « **Reply #67 on:** April 04, 2009, 06:20:53 AM »

ah mao bah? may special treatment diay ang mga Mexicans. But as what I believe abtik man sad ning mga Pinoy kay naanad man ug pangbitik ug manok sa ato...dili gjod masakspan kay kusog modagan whhaha

Bitaw...i hope that those Pinoys had talked in California are all legals...well, they have jobs, anyway.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #68 on:** April 04, 2009, 08:19:39 AM »

Bay Lorenzo,

I enjoyed reading and learning a lot from your post. You must be a wide reader.

So are you saying that partly to be blamed for americas (economic) struggle now adays is due to illegal immigrants? Well the truth and reality hurts for the american tax payers given the current situation in the US. But as a Filipino, I am suddened if part of those illegal immigrants are Filipinos. I know some of our kababayans (even my relatives) who struggled for so many years at the start before becoming a legal immigrants in the US.

On a higher perspective, could it be that america is spending so much budget on foreign militarization (and invasion) forgetting other issues like affordable college education for its citizens? Just asking.

Fore !

Bedo,

In terms and regards to the fiscal aspect, yes it does. The some 300,000 illegal Filipinos in the United States is miniscule as compared to the same undocumented 20~ million Latin Americans in the United States. Miniscule, if you think about it in the larger scheme.

The situation regarding illegal immigration in the United States cannot be answered by mere simplistic terms, as the situation illustrates the multifactorial and pluripotency of the said situation.

One, first and foremost, it is a result of the failure of the United States national guard and the border security to properly maintain and scrutinize the magnitiude of illegal human trade into the United States. The situaiton in the ground is complex, and has been in discussion not only within the halls of the US Congress but within the pillars of Academia and think tanks in Washington.

Case in point, if you don't know this, but as we speak right now the Calderon government in Mexico is fighting an all-out war against the Mexican Drug cartels near the city of Tijuana, in Northern Mexico, which is in close proximity with Baja California (a north western Mexican state close to the border of California, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada and Texas regional arc.

Due to the porous border between the United States and Mexico, has led to the facilitation of the widespread massive illegal human migration. Most of the Mexican immigrants are part of the drug trade and are responsible for shuttling marijuana, cocaine, heroine and other drug paraphenilia from markets of Columbia, Nicaragua, Venezuela and Mexico here into the United States. This translates into a domestic and demographic problem for United States law enforcement, which currently is fighting and dealing with the growth of Latin-American based gangs (MS-13, Crips, Reds etc). Prostitution is also a problem. This is a concern not only for the United States Government, but for social watch groups such as the ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union) that is concerned for the rights of Americans and persons who are being smuggled and placed in slave-like conditions (sadly this is a reality for some peoples here in the United States).

The problem, due to its shear size (considering the United States Government estimates anywhere between 11-20+ million illegal undocumented immigrants)poses as a logistical and economic burden for the United States.

This issue is a problem that both the Democratic and Republican Party in the United States have to tackle, as this translates in the weakness of the American southern border, a error that needs to be addressed.

You have to analyze the situation in the perspective of the American Citizen. We must take into consideration that there is about some 305 Million US Citizens, a considerate proportion are elderly, and are in need of medical care/ medicare (the funds of which are said to be depleted within 15-20 years), we have to also take into consideration the growing American population, educational demands, infrastructural demands and maintenance cost, military defense budget, state budgets, global assistance budget. Due to the already over-burdened United States Fiscal budget, clearly, an additional some 29 Billion dollars used to educate illegals, soem 2.5 billion dollars used to imprison illegals, and some the varying sources of monetary burden expedited to provide economic assistance, does and absolutely takes a definite toll for the United States.

To the American Citizen, it is an injustice and clearly illustrates the failure of the border system, to which must be alleviated and addressed to properly address and assess this unprecedented situation here in the United States. To which is of strategic and economic imperative for the United States of America.

-Lorenzo

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #69 on:** April 04, 2009, 08:27:23 AM »

The lazy americans are complaining that the illegal immigrants are taking their jobs, well if they arent lazy enough then there should have no jobs left for illegal immigrants. LOGIC!!

Pardon my ignornance. Under which economic theory or economic analysis would firmly support that illegal immigrants are to be blamed for americas economic turn down?

Consider the social context of illegal immigration and dont be so selfish in your critics. People would not take risks in becoming illegal immigrants if they have better choices at home. If you claim to be a filipino, you should have a heart for the Filipinos. Do you even have any idea that these illegal immigrants are feeding families, clans and sending their children, nephews, nieces to school?

Such a heartless and selffish comment.!!! If we claim to be Filipinos, let us feel for the Filipinos.

Lucky are those who were born with silver spoons, some are just even born with bare hands, to work...!!

Guadalrose,

The situation of illegal immigration is a concern that needs to be assessed as it is a violation of jurisprudence and the law established by the United States of America, as promulgated by the United States Constitution.

We are not blaming the Filipinos, we are not selectively targeting, we are addressing the entire situation in the ground, which is a pluripotent and multifactorial, multi-causative, which translates into--unfortunately, regressive effects for the United States.

Legal migration and legal procedures should be followed, as mandated and promulgated by the Law.

We are not being heartless towards the Filipino people and community. There are some 2.5 million Filipino-Americans who came to this country vis-a-vis legal means and in accordance to the due process of the Law.

We are addressing the situation in the ground in terms of economic, political means and its effects on the United States and the Fiscal Budget.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #70 on:** April 04, 2009, 08:38:20 AM »

Of course countries are protecting their economic interests. But blaming the undocumented immigrants for their short-comings which resulted to economic turn down? that is not fair.

The ballooning of undocumented immigrants in the US must be blamed on their immigration policies. If companies are stringent and do not hire "under the table" workers, there would be lesser undocumented immigrants. What is left actually for the undocumented workers are the dirty work, the crumbs.

WE always browse pages of the bible in search of enlightenment. Do we even remember the story of Lazarus and the Rich man? Lazarus was only feeding on crumbs left from the Rich man., right?

manglimbawt akong balahibo sa mga taong sigeg cite ug bible oi.. pero selective ra diay.

Guadalrose, please do not take this personally, as it was not intended to any persons, but an address on my part, on the economic, political, and overall--strategic effects of illegal immigration to the United States.

Clearly, this issue has been hotly debated within the members of Congress and in many border states with Mexico. Both parties (The Democratic and Republican) have already expressed the need to address the situation and to fix and curve the porous border in the south, which has led to the massive and unprecedented migration of peoples to the United States illegaly. Many of whom are part of the Mexican drug cartels that shuttles illegal drug paraphenilia into the United States--and its effects on the domestic level has been outright and obvious, in terms on the strain on law enforcement. There have been incidences of shuttling vans filled with peoples, and many of whom were led in the wrong direction, other instances of Latin-Americans crossing the desert and dying in the desert, as a result of being led in the wrong direction. (Many illegal immigrants actually pay people to give them directions to border states and openings and as a result, a business has been made to traffic individuals through the border; as a result of this, prostitution rings, drug rings, etc have sprouted in the border states. Namely: Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, Texas, California and surrounding states.

The United States has to address the border situation as well as work with the governments in latin and south american countries to develop businesses in their nation to alleviate the economic situation that has led hundreds of thousands to migrate to the United States, at the expense of the United States.

We are dealing with logistics, we are dealing with constitutional rights of American citizens, we are dealing with the integrity and right of individual states to patrol the border, to which discourse has already been made to build a solid fence between the border of Mexico and the United States.

This is a national security issue; one in which is an utmost concern for the United States of America.

Respectfully Yours,
Lorenzo

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #71 on:** April 04, 2009, 08:58:33 AM »

Bay Lorenzo,

I enjoyed reading and learning a lot from your post. You must be a wide reader.

So are you saying that partly to be blamed for americas (economic) struggle now adays is due to illegal immigrants? Well the truth and reality hurts for the american tax payers given the current situation in the US. But as a Filipino, I am suddened if part of those illegal immigrants are Filipinos. I know some of our kababayans (even my relatives) who struggled for so many years at the start before becoming a legal immigrants in the US.

On a higher perspective, could it be that america is spending so much budget on foreign militarization (and invasion) forgetting other issues like affordable college education for its citizens? Just asking.

Fore !

Bedo,

You ask very important questions, and are insightful, my friend.

Yes, I agree with you that the United States clearly has multiple hurdles to tackle, including the global economic situation (but I remain positive and optimistic considering the successful dialogue in the G20 meetings).

Illegal immigration is an issue to be addressed because it addresses the failures of the border system, to which is imperative for national security for the United States, and these instances have to be addressed by the INS and associated governmental agencies.

We understand the dreams of people to come here to the United States, but formalities should be followed, and should be followed by lawful means. As to follow the law, afterall, is biblical. But, I concede to the fact that yes, Filipino, Vietnamese, Indian and Chinese immigrants that came to the United States through illegal and unlawful means mostly are educated. That is the difference, when we analyze the situation in the ground, thus we notice differences treatment.

Believe it or not, most of the 100,000+ Illegal Indian-immigrants are people who came to United States via a visa and or green card, but overstayed, the reason why the United States is far more lenient to them and Filipinos is due to the fact that these individuals are educated and have college degrees (Bachelor's, masters and even doctoral). They contribute to the overall American Economic Machine, and even in the education processes.

The problem we have and we observe, is the some 20~ million undocumented illegal latin americans who neither have education and have little to no knowledge in English. Please note that yes, the resiliency of the Filipno is oundoubted. They master english, they assimilate to the culture, and they follow means and measure to become legal immigrants despite the fact that yes they did come to the country illegally. They acquire green cards, and resident visa status, and ultimately, through time and through paying taxes, are granted Citizenship.

The drug trafficking situation here in the United States is a result of the porous border between the United States of America and Mexico; and due to the fact that there is not enough national guardsmen presence in the border and due to the vastness of the border, has led and facilitated the massive, massive migration of latin americans to the United States. Many of whom have no education, many of whom don't know english, many of whom are rebels, many of whom are drug traffickers, many of whom are prostitutes, etc.

As I said, this situation is complex, and cannot be answered by simplistic means, but requires the reader's diligence and research into the situation on the ground.

It is definitely a problem that must be addressed, and I hope and pray that the Obama Administration solve this problem.

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #72 on:** April 04, 2009, 09:27:45 AM »

illegal immigrants, as we normally call them, can only wait
either be caught or given a chance to live legally in the US
but given their status, they should help the US economy
rather than become contributors of headache to an existing problem
you know what i mean...

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Mulligan · « **Reply #73 on:** April 04, 2009, 09:32:21 AM »

Bedo,

You ask very important questions, and are insightful, my friend.

Yes, I agree with you that the United States clearly has multiple hurdles to tackle, including the global economic situation (but I remain positive and optimistic considering the successful dialogue in the G20 meetings).

Illegal immigration is an issue to be addressed because it addresses the failures of the border system, to which is imperative for national security for the United States, and these instances have to be addressed by the INS and associated governmental agencies.

We understand the dreams of people to come here to the United States, but formalities should be followed, and should be followed by lawful means. As to follow the law, afterall, is biblical. But, I concede to the fact that yes, Filipino, Vietnamese, Indian and Chinese immigrants that came to the United States through illegal and unlawful means mostly are educated. That is the difference, when we analyze the situation in the ground, thus we notice differences treatment.

Believe it or not, most of the 100,000+ Illegal Indian-immigrants are people who came to United States via a visa and or green card, but overstayed, the reason why the United States is far more lenient to them and Filipinos is due to the fact that these individuals are educated and have college degrees (Bachelor's, masters and even doctoral). They contribute to the overall American Economic Machine, and even in the education processes.

The problem we have and we observe, is the some 20~ million undocumented illegal latin americans who neither have education and have little to no knowledge in English. Please note that yes, the resiliency of the Filipno is oundoubted. They master english, they assimilate to the culture, and they follow means and measure to become legal immigrants despite the fact that yes they did come to the country illegally. They acquire green cards, and resident visa status, and ultimately, through time and through paying taxes, are granted Citizenship.

The drug trafficking situation here in the United States is a result of the porous border between the United States of America and Mexico; and due to the fact that there is not enough national guardsmen presence in the border and due to the vastness of the border, has led and facilitated the massive, massive migration of latin americans to the United States. Many of whom have no education, many of whom don't know english, many of whom are rebels, many of whom are drug traffickers, many of whom are prostitutes, etc.

As I said, this situation is complex, and cannot be answered by simplistic means, but requires the reader's diligence and research into the situation on the ground.

It is definitely a problem that must be addressed, and I hope and pray that the Obama Administration solve this problem.

Bay Lorenzo,

Asa naba tong akong gi post earlier nawala man! Basin nasalaag to sa joke section. haha. Anyway, kini ato mga opinion ra man ni. Hinaut unta nga dili nato ni e personal ang mga tubag dinhe.

Anyway, the tone of your post is a typical american to me. Something that maybe taken out of context and can be construed as "selfish" comment coming from a "once" filipino (?) hehe. You nailed it and that's the way it should be and should be controlled if not totally eliminate the influx of undocumented people coming to america. For me personally I was stunned when you said "its a virus and it should be crushed". Mura man pud ug atong gilubong ang mga damggo sa mga nag tnt na diri. But to be honest, I have high respect for these individuals. Why? They survive everyday and sacrificed a lot, deprived from the benefits a regular american citizen workers have especially medical benefits.

Sige bay ayo ayo, keep posting and happy weekend. Manglaba pa ko.

Fore!

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #74 on:** April 04, 2009, 09:32:54 AM »

Yes, there are individuals who came to the United States illegally, but respected the Law and appropriated means to become legal residents and ultimately resident aliens.

Critical to this is applying for a green card, payment of taxes, and following American Laws and statutes.

The United States, is willing to accomodate those who came here illegally, as the United States tries to solve the border situation, which has been the cause of so much heartache, America is not deaf to the cries and demands of those who are in need. If she was deaf, the Unite States would not have provided some $29 Billion worth in educational aid for illegal immigrant children and or children of illegal immigrants. The United States provides asylum, provides medical care for those waiting trial an relocation/deportation.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #75 on:** April 04, 2009, 09:41:05 AM »

Bay Lorenzo,

Asa naba tong akong gi post earlier nawala man! Basin nasalaag to sa joke section. haha. Anyway, kini ato mga opinion ra man ni. Hinaut unta nga dili nato ni e personal ang mga tubag dinhe.

Anyway, the tone of your post is a typical american to me. Something that maybe taken out of context and can be construed as "selfish" comment coming from a "once" filipino (?) hehe. You nailed it and that's the way it should be and should be controlled if not totally eliminate the influx of undocumented people coming to america. For me personally I was stunned when you said "its a virus and it should be crushed". Mura man pud ug atong gilubong ang mga damggo sa mga nag tnt na diri. But to be honest, I have high respect for these individuals. Why? They survive everyday and sacrificed a lot, deprived from the benefits a regular american citizen workers have especially medical benefits.

Sige bay ayo ayo, keep posting and happy weekend. Manglaba pa ko.

Fore!

Bedo,

And I respect your opinion and your voice should be heard. As you raise rather academic and insightful questions that should be heard and analyzed not only by us Americans, but also should be heard and read by Filipinos and abroad so that we have a better understanding and relegation of information on said issue. As this issue is a global one, one that not only affects the United States, but peoples of the world that look to come to the United States and immigrate legally, but, as a result of unchecked and unprecedented illegal migration, has led to the development of harder and increased screening in the process--which translates into a longer waiting period for those who are law abiding potential legal immigrants who follow the due process of the law.

In accordance to The Laws of the Republic of the Philippines and the Laws of the United States of America.

Secondly, Bedo, I apologize when I used the term 'crushed', but I was referring that comment to the drug traffickers and drug cartels and prostitution ringers that come to the United States through the porous border between Mexico and the United States.

This has resulted in a catastrophic situation--leading to the development of nation-wide gang activity--which have been correlated and linked to Latin American countries and Latin American-based drug trafficking as well as human trafficking, which is an issue that is a concern not only for the United States government and law enforcement, but for the United Nations and said watch groups that are fighting to curve human trafficking.

Please note that my comment was intended and addressed the drug traffickers and gang members that have debilitated and continue to harm the American youth, and endanger the future of the American people.

Thank You, Sir, for sharing your brilliant opinion and point of view.
I respect you for that.

-Lorenzo

The United States also suffers form the growth of Latin-American based gangs such as Crips, Reds, MS13, which all come from Latin American and have spread throughout the United States. They spread drugs, sell drugs, facilitate prostitution and such vices.

It is a virus that must be crushed. And cured.

For the sake of the youth of this country. For the American people.

Illegal immigration must be curbed.

Just to provide my statement again.

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #76 on:** April 04, 2009, 09:41:54 AM »

Bay Lorenzo,

Asa naba tong akong gi post earlier nawala man! Basin nasalaag to sa joke section. haha. Anyway, kini ato mga opinion ra man ni. Hinaut unta nga dili nato ni e personal ang mga tubag dinhe.

Anyway, the tone of your post is a typical american to me. Something that maybe taken out of context and can be construed as "selfish" comment coming from a "once" filipino (?) hehe. You nailed it and that's the way it should be and should be controlled if not totally eliminate the influx of undocumented people coming to america. For me personally I was stunned when you said "its a virus and it should be crushed". Mura man pud ug atong gilubong ang mga damggo sa mga nag tnt na diri. But to be honest, I have high respect for these individuals. Why? They survive everyday and sacrificed a lot, deprived from the benefits a regular american citizen workers have especially medical benefits.

Sige bay ayo ayo, keep posting and happy weekend. Manglaba pa ko.

Fore!

Bedo na touch jud ko sa imong gi comment. Lisud man gud mo comment ug wa ka naka suway. Tinuod jud na kay ako sa una bisan way papel, nag bajad baja tawon ko ug taxes bisan kabalo ko nga di na to mobalik nako.

Akong maikasulti nga akong banana Merikan kaajo ug wala shay gikasaway sa mga tawo nga ning tabuk, ning lupad man o ning kamang. Ang ija ikasulti nga he admired those people nga ning risk daw (like me) nga ning bija sa ija yutang natawhan kay nangita ug kapanibaan! Honest. Mao sad na akong ma admire ni banana kay he always admired even to the most undocs nga nag antos ug trabaho bisan tag ko-sing ra ang sweldo/hour. Swerte lang ko kay i had a talent to lure employers mao nga i got good paying job. But even then, i was so scared of getting sick kay wa man lagi koy health insurance ug mahadlok man sad ko ma ospital kay pangutan-on man jud ka ug asa ka natawo. Alang2x mo ingnon ko nga natawo ko sa Oregon nga pangitaan man ug birth certificate. Mao nga i divert myself into anykind of sports kay mao raman nay maka tabang nako away from getting sick.

No one could relate things like undoc immigs if one never experienced it.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #77 on:** April 04, 2009, 09:51:28 AM »

I appreciate your personal story, Ate Belle, as it provides perspective.

In college, I worked at the local counseling center (as a volunteer), where many troubled youth were; and some cases that I worked were of children who came to the 'states via illegal immigration. Many of whom were deserted by their parents, and when I read their reports, it is astonishing to know that such cases are similar across the nation.

Illegal immigrant parents that work as produce workers have been known to leave their children behind, many of these youth, who have no family or friends in the United States, usually go into crime, join gangs, and propagate a life that directs them to the prison system.

It is truly a sad situation, but one that must be addressed, and must be taken into serious consideration.

Thank you for sharing your personal story. I mean that.

Respectfully Yours,
Lorenzo

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Mulligan · « **Reply #78 on:** April 04, 2009, 10:11:00 AM »

Bay Lorenzo,

Human na ko ug pang kuso.

Diri sa bay ako ra may mag boot ... kanus-a ko manglaba, magloto.

Yes, I stand corrected on that. My apologies.

Cheers!

The United States also suffers form the growth of Latin-American based gangs such as Crips, Reds, MS13, which all come from Latin American and have spread throughout the United States. They spread drugs, sell drugs, facilitate prostitution and such vices.

It is a virus that must be crushed. And cured.

For the sake of the youth of this country. For the American people.

Illegal immigration must be curbed.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #79 on:** April 04, 2009, 10:15:55 AM »

Bay Lorenzo,

Human na ko ug pang kuso.

Diri sa bay ako ra may mag boot ... kanus-a ko manglaba, magloto.

Yes, I stand corrected on that. My apologies.

Cheers!

haha, that is what I like. Our ability to exchange information without getting personal.

Examplary of Lincoln-Douglass debate format.

My respects,
God Bless,
Lorenzo

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Mulligan · « **Reply #80 on:** April 04, 2009, 10:22:49 AM »

Ayay kahilak sab ta ana m'am. Ako eg-a-gaw mao man pud iya ga-agi diha. Busa murag pait bitaw lage manimpad. Sige lang, mag ampo me perme diri nga modako pa unta ang buslot sa injong mga ilong diha. hehe joke joke.

Sige ayo ayo. Padako ra ni sa akong number of post dinhe kay newbie pa kono ko. haha

Bedo na touch jud ko ...

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Mulligan · « **Reply #81 on:** April 04, 2009, 10:28:22 AM »

Dili. Murag kadtong kang Kiwi Camara ... haha

haha, that is what I like. Our ability to exchange information without getting personal.

Examplary of Lincoln-Douglass debate format.

My respects,
God Bless,
Lorenzo

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glacier_71 · « **Reply #82 on:** April 04, 2009, 10:37:43 AM »

bisan tingali og way personal nga kasinatian ang tawo pero tungod sa storya sa kasinatian sa ubang mga tawo (vicarious experience), naa tay masabtan kung unsa ang masinati sa maong kahimtang.

kung nidaghan ang mga Undoc Immigs or Illegal Immigs, dili na pasabot nga problema na kana dayon.

gapahibawo lang ang gobyerno nga naa silay kasayoran bahin sa maong sitwasyon. ug nga kinahanglan magtambayayong ang mga katawhan para masulbad ang maong problema. unsaon na? way pihong solusyon. apan kabahin sa mga "nagtago-tago", ilang ikatabang mao lang gyud ang pangpangita og maayong trabaho. dili man gyud malikayan nga mag-minaro kining uban, apan matud pa, kung naa tay abilidad nganong di man gamiton...basta di lang ta makalapas sa katungod sa isigkatawo. komplikado ang maong butang. ug way simpleng tubag niana.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #83 on:** April 04, 2009, 10:38:58 AM »

lol, now you have tasted the beautiful exchange of information that is common here in Tubag Bohol.

See you in the forums, Bedo.

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guadalrose · « **Reply #84 on:** April 04, 2009, 05:25:21 PM »

Economists are in hot debate whether illegal immigration really hurts the economy but they could not get into conclusion. Only Borras, an american born Cuban is vehemently claimming that it hurts the US economy because he hates Mexicans. One study even concluded that the undocumented immigrants are in no competition with the natives. They are only taking jobs which the natives do not want to do.

It is high-time that the US review its immigration policies. I take my case as an example. I applied for a US visa 6 months ago and they gave me 10 year multiple entry. Although I was happy to be given such an privilege, it made me think the dangers of multiple entry. I have no intentions of staying in the states though. Other people could abuse the multiple entry visa, to work in the states illegally and occasionally exiting in Mexico or Canada. My cousins applied for a tourist visa through a wedding invitation, they were granted. My brother had an invitation from the American Medical Association to present his research was denied, for reasons we do not know. I find it very ironic. The rules are not clear.

My british tourist visa is only for one year, which I think is more safer on the part of the british government. It safeguard abuse of the multiple entry.

On the issue on "jumping over borders", that is a security issue, not an immigration issue. If the american government was not good enough at securing their territory in the South, then that is their short-coming.

Now, I would not wonder how did the 9/11 took place. Just simply because the american security forces are inefficient.

If you cannot solve "jumping over the borders" issue, then how would you be efficient in addressing terrorism? If I were Ossama bin Laden, would'nt be easier for me to jump over borders too?

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #85 on:** April 04, 2009, 07:36:28 PM »

Economists are in hot debate whether illegal immigration really hurts the economy but they could not get into conclusion. Only Borras, an american born Cuban is vehemently claimming that it hurts the US economy because he hates Mexicans. One study even concluded that the undocumented immigrants are in no competition with the natives. They are only taking jobs which the natives do not want to do.

It is high-time that the US review its immigration policies. I take my case as an example. I applied for a US visa 6 months ago and they gave me 10 year multiple entry. Although I was happy to be given such an privilege, it made me think the dangers of multiple entry. I have no intentions of staying in the states though. Other people could abuse the multiple entry visa, to work in the states illegally and occasionally exiting in Mexico or Canada. My cousins applied for a tourist visa through a wedding invitation, they were granted. My brother had an invitation from the American Medical Association to present his research was denied, for reasons we do not know. I find it very ironic. The rules are not clear.

My british tourist visa is only for one year, which I think is more safer on the part of the british government. It safeguard abuse of the multiple entry.

On the issue on "jumping over borders", that is a security issue, not an immigration issue. If the american government was not good enough at securing their territory in the South, then that is their short-coming.

Now, I would not wonder how did the 9/11 took place. Just simply because the american security forces are inefficient.

If you cannot solve "jumping over the borders" issue, then how would you be efficient in addressing terrorism? If I were Ossama bin Laden, would'nt be easier for me to jump over borders too?

We addressed that said grievances concerning the failure of the border security, being, ultimately, one of the major factors that has led to the unprecedented illegal human trafficking into the United States southern border. It was addressed in my posts. Please read back, as I addressed said grievances and its economic, political and law-enforcement strain/effects on the United States.

If you have a problem with the visa process and screening process, it may be opportune of you to talk to a public official and or governmental employee of the United States of America, and or email the United States Immigration Services.

Again, the stringent process of acquiring an American Visa and entry is a result illegal migration and government's policy in trying to alleviate and counter said phenomenon.

Cheers,
Lorenzo

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #86 on:** April 04, 2009, 07:42:36 PM »

If you cannot solve "jumping over the borders" issue, then how would you be efficient in addressing terrorism? If I were Ossama bin Laden, would'nt be easier for me to jump over borders too?

It seems to me that your posts offer no real concrete answer to solve the situation, but merely a tool to infer personal grievances, please infer your grievances to the United States Immigration Services and or the Embass of the United States of America in Manila.

Again, we are discussing illegal human trafficking in the United States, we are not discussing 9-11 and or terrorism.

You are however, free, by your own accord to start a thread based on 9-11.

You are inferring and relegating only negative information, and are inferring the obvious. Yes, we know that the border security has been a failure, clearly, it is so since there are over 20~ million illegal immigrants in the United States. If we had a concrete southern border, this manifestation would have been evaded, am I right?

Offer some answers some solutions if you have any. Instead of pointing out flaws, repetitively.

Cheers,

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