Author Topic: Illegal Pinoys Staying in US Reached to 300,000 (Read 12224 times)

aduy · « **on:** April 02, 2009, 03:11:15 PM »

An estimated 300,000 Filipinos are staying in the United States illegally as of January 2008, data from the US Department of Homeland Security revealed.

The DHS report said the Philippines is the fourth leading source of illegal immigrants in the country as of January 2008.

Mexico remained the leading source of unauthorized immigrants to the US with an estimated seven million Mexicans living in the US illegally. The next leading source countries for unauthorized immigrants in 2008 were El Salvador (570,000), Guatemala (430,000), the Philippines (300,000) and Honduras (300,000).

Overall, a total of 11.6 million immigrants are estimated to be staying in the US illegally as of January 2008, which declined from 11.8 million recorded a year earlier.

The DHS said an estimated 8.8 million of the total 11.6 million unauthorized immigrants living in the United States in 2008 were from the North America region, including Canada, Mexico, the Caribbean, and Central America. The next leading regions of origin were Asia (1.2 million) and South America (850,000).

The department defines unauthorized residents as foreign-born persons who entered the US without inspection or were admitted temporarily and stayed past the date they were required to leave. Unauthorized immigrants applying for adjustment to lawful permanent residence under the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) Section 245(i) are unauthorized until they have been granted legal permanent residency status, even though they may have been authorized to work.

Most illegal immigrants staying in California

The DHS report said California remained the leading state of residence of the unauthorized immigrant population in 2008, with 2.9 million; followed by Texas (1.7 million), Florida (840,000) and New York (640,000). Californiaâ€™s share of the national total declined from 30 percent in 2000 to 25 percent in 2008.

The DHS said males represented 57 percent of the unauthorized immigrant population in 2008. Males accounted for 62 percent of the unauthorized population in the 18 to 34 age group in 2008 while females accounted for 52 percent of the 45 and older age groups.

The DHS has said the number of Filipinos immigrating to the United States posted a significant decline last year. It said the number of Filipinos immigrating to the US fell from 74,606 in 2006 to 72,596 the following year to 54,030 in 2008.

The Philippines slid from the third biggest source of immigrants in the US, overtaken by India despite a slight decrease in their own numbers during the same period.

Mexico remained the top source of immigrants followed by China.

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Bambi · « **Reply #1 on:** April 02, 2009, 06:37:46 PM »

Hi aduy!

thanks for posting this. we just arrived last Tuesday afternoon after our 3 weeks holidays from California, Arizona, Utah and Nevada. abi nimo...i really feel at home meeting lot of our kababayan doon from different places. had a short talked with one somewhere from Luzon, a young man at the age of early 40 He was the one who distributed us an audio tour ear phones when we had our Alcatraz visit "He proudly said: you know, i am only here for money but most of the times my mind and heart is in our country. After saving...i will be home! Also in Las Vegas, a Filipina salesgirl was entertaining us. Daghan sa gambling places doing their assigned jobs. kinsa naman tawon roy nahibilin sa ato?

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hofelina · « **Reply #2 on:** April 02, 2009, 06:44:09 PM »

Filipinos are resilient, last Macau visit, our tour guide is a lady from Baguio who speaks fluent Canton and Mandarin, the chief security in the Museum is a Filipino. Then we ate lunch in a hotel, tanang mga ladies mga Pinay.

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Bambi · « **Reply #3 on:** April 02, 2009, 06:52:47 PM »

scattered ug sanay ta kaayo Ms. Tess, di ba? sayang lang nga ang mga Germans nagkagamay.

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aduy · « **Reply #4 on:** April 02, 2009, 09:04:21 PM »

Hi aduy!

thanks for posting this. we just arrived last Tuesday afternoon after our 3 weeks holidays from California, Arizona, Utah and Nevada. abi nimo...i really feel at home meeting lot of our kababayan doon from different places. had a short talked with one somewhere from Luzon, a young man at the age of early 40 He was the one who distributed us an audio tour ear phones when we had our Alcatraz visit "He proudly said: you know, i am only here for money but most of the times my mind and heart is in our country. After saving...i will be home! Also in Las Vegas, a Filipina salesgirl was entertaining us. Daghan sa gambling places doing their assigned jobs. kinsa naman tawon roy nahibilin sa ato?

ang nahabilin sa atoa kadtong mga dili kaantos og kaguol (homesick) maong walay kursanada molangyaw sa laing dapit.

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enadespinosa · « **Reply #5 on:** April 02, 2009, 09:32:16 PM »

Risk taker ang mga pinoy Aduy, I was once an illegal immigrant in Spain before,its not easy..

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aduy · « **Reply #6 on:** April 02, 2009, 09:48:39 PM »

tinuod jud na, risk taker kitang mga pinoy tungod sad walay oportunidad sa atong kaugalingong nasod.

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Raquelproud boholana · « **Reply #7 on:** April 02, 2009, 10:51:43 PM »

Mao ni gi ingon sa akong Mother nganong mouli siya nga greencard holder naman unta permanent residence pag abot jud diri.Giingnan nako siya before ingbalik sa atua nga pastilan Nanay daghan intawon nagtago tago diri unya ikaw sayon sayonon ra nimo ug uli.One month and half ra gud akong Nanay diri liman mong 1 week pa siya diri ingon na dayon mouli ko.Wa nako pugngi akong inahan kay unsaon iya kalipay wa man diri sa U.S tua man sa atua.

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #8 on:** April 02, 2009, 10:55:30 PM »

Mao ni gi ingon sa akong Mother nganong mouli siya nga greencard holder naman unta permanent residence pag abot jud diri.Giingnan nako siya before ingbalik sa atua nga pastilan Nanay daghan intawon nagtago tago diri unya ikaw sayon sayonon ra nimo ug uli.One month and half ra gud akong Nanay diri liman mong 1 week pa siya diri ingon na dayon mouli ko.Wa nako pugngi akong inahan kay unsaon iya kalipay wa man diri sa U.S tua man sa atua.

Duy sayup na kay 299,999 nalang kay na minyo naman ko! hahaha I was a very illegal for 12 years but i live my life like an amerikan. I never associated much Pinoys even the people from the town where i live back home. Akong associates didto few Bol-anons, i felt at home with Bol-anon jud!

Tinuod jud na Quel, akong mga kasagupa mamisita nako diri mao pa gani pag abut nag hisgut na ug uli! haahhaha

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aduy · « **Reply #9 on:** April 02, 2009, 11:08:23 PM »

Duy sayup na kay 299,999 nalang kay na minyo naman ko! hahaha I was a very illegal for 12 years but i live my life like an amerikan. I never associated much Pinoys even the people from the town where i live back home. Akong associates didto few Bol-anons, i felt at home with Bol-anon jud!

hahahaha..dugaya sad diay nag TNT noh? maau kay dili ka kuyawan og magsuroy ka nga undocumented man? ka isog sad nimo ms db dah.

congrats legal na diay imo stay diha so naa nay imong SSS, maka avail na ka og unsay mga privileges for being an American. pwde na ka mobakasyon sa Bohol hehehehehe..

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #10 on:** April 02, 2009, 11:38:35 PM »

Duy, sa una bag-o pa ko arang hadloka! kay hadlokon man ko sa akong kababayan. Then i got my drivers licence and SSS on my own after 2 years mao nga ning depart na ko sa mga kababayan nako. Yeah i drove a new car, rented my own apartment and party like what other single women does. Pero mao lagi na akong ginabantayan nga di makasala like masakpan ka ug drugs or maka ligis or makapatay whci i know layo kaayo ko ana nga crimes. I was safe, until i realized nga kamingaw ba nang mo uli ka sa imong apartment nga way mo greet nimo. how are you doing? PAIT JUD! (for me, mingaw as in)

Yup nothing wrong being a TNT basta mo follow lang ka sa rules and regulations sa imong host country.

"I made it through the rain" kung sa kanta pa.

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aduy · « **Reply #11 on:** April 03, 2009, 12:40:20 AM »

ah, pwede man ipadala sa Maalaala Mo Kaya imong kaagi or sa Handuman sa Usa ka Awit unya ang theme song I made it to the rain hehehehe......bitaw ang success nato naa ra sad sa atoa og dili maningkamot wala jud mahimo sa atong kinabuhi.

parehas sad sa akong mego nag tourist sa France unya nag TNT umabot ng 7 years bago na legal iya stay kay nagpakasal man sa usa ka french citizen pero dummy lang para malegal iya stay pagkahuman og kasal yon parang walang nangyari maskin gani cguro kuan wala matilawi basta lang magkaroon og visa.

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thegirlnextdoor · « **Reply #12 on:** April 03, 2009, 04:20:15 AM »

I was watching a townhall show on a Manila channel about two weeks ago and the immigration Atty. guest speaker on the shwwas from California and said that if anyone over stays they could never be reconsidered for re issuance of an American Visa again.

Many of my girlfreinds in America had babies with Mexicans and then the dads of their babies were jailed from being captured in drug raids.

Deported and never heard from again. I have known Filipino seamen whoo jumped ship in the 80's and have held wonderfull jobs working at Boeing Co.

Many illegal visitor's come for the work and work hard is what they do. Mexicans are laborous workers and Philippinos are medical workers and other various professional positions.

If you are in a country make yourself legal and do not do anything that would physically harm someone or kill them and do not get involved with drugs and stay away from wrong assocation. And enjoy the law and the protection that you have in the country where I am from.
I miss not being able to see flashing police car lights and a car being pulled over on every block where they enforce the law and impliment it as well for everyone with out exemptions.

It's okay to be patriotic for two countreis at the same time. I know I am.

Sure I have been here eight years and I am mingaw but soon I will be going home to give my mom a hug and everyone else. I hope aso that I can meet in person other TB members whenI am back home in America.

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lindy · « **Reply #13 on:** April 03, 2009, 04:22:50 AM »

aduy mahimo ba palihog ug imong makuha ug pila usab nang mga iligal nga naa namuyo diha sa Pilipinas kay sigurado kong daghan illigal alliens diha sa ato.

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aduy · « **Reply #14 on:** April 03, 2009, 04:39:33 AM »

aduy mahimo ba palihog ug imong makuha ug pila usab nang mga iligal nga naa namuyo diha sa Pilipinas kay sigurado kong daghan illigal alliens diha sa ato.

mao ni breakdown nga nag illigal sa atoa.

A breakdown of their nationalities showed that the Chinese topped the list of excluded aliens with 160; followed by Koreans, 70; Nigerians, 60; Taiwanese, 46; Indians, 44; Americans, 42; Ghanians, 39; and Japanese, 33. (BI News)

pls visit: http://immigration.gov.ph/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=424&Itemid=78

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thegirlnextdoor · « **Reply #15 on:** April 03, 2009, 04:54:59 AM »

I beleive that only just a few Americans over stay here. Me I am a resident card holder legal asa beagle.

Im not that stupid to abuse my staying priveladges I must set an example of respect to this country and mine at the same time.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #16 on:** April 03, 2009, 05:08:31 AM »

I beleive that only just a few Americans over stay here. Me I am a resident card holder legal asa beagle.

Im not that stupid to abuse my staying priveladges I must set an example of respect to this country and mine at the same time.

Priscilla,

They wont give you trouble in the Philippines. I mean, you are an American Citizen, and you bring income to the local economy. Technically you are a tourist-resident. So you contribute to the local growth.

Any tourist to the Philippines has that effect. Which is, on an overall consensus, a positive effect on the local market/economy.

Additionally, you are a citizen of the United States of America.

A citizen of the world's Hyper Power.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #17 on:** April 03, 2009, 05:18:31 AM »

I speak as a tax-paying American and am annoyed that the United States is too hospitable towards illegal immigrants who come here through illegal means.

First of all, illegal immigrants that come here do not pay taxes, but the United States government provides economic aid to them, which, might I add, are provided for by hard-earned American tax payer money. Blood and sweat money.

Illegal immigrants are provided governmental medical care.

I am a staunch supporter of the American Middle Class. It is the middle class that has to shoulder most of the taxes this government instills, middle class that drives the 14.5 TRILLION dollar American Economy.

There are estimated over 20 million some undocumented ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS in the United States!

Many of those come from Mexico and Latin America.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #18 on:** April 03, 2009, 05:24:38 AM »

Please note that no other government in the world is as hospitable as the United States concerning illegal immigrants.

I have been abroad to The Netherlands (Amsterdam) and to Ukraine and know that there is no such thing as illegal immigrant aid over there, or in most nations.

Yet when American citizens go abroad, there are some governments abroad that will not even give aid to American citizens in need.

The United States provides BILLIONS of dollars in economic aid/relief towards other nations, yet where were the other nations when Katrina hit the United States in 2005? It angers me that the world always demands so much from the United States, yet whenever the United States is in need, little to none are sent to our shores. Quick to criticize the US, but also quick to ask for aid.

Yet at the same time, in 2004 when the Asian Tsunami hit Asia, the United States pledged billions of dollars for relief aid and sent the naval convoys to help rebuild and recover bodies.

Hypocrisy of some nations.

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david · « **Reply #19 on:** April 03, 2009, 05:29:42 AM »

dia baya poy daghan illegal diri sa nederlands pero og way mo reklamo nimo pabayaan lang pod ka

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aduy · « **Reply #20 on:** April 03, 2009, 05:31:17 AM »

maskin asa naa jud illegal, diri gani sa middle east nga strict diri naa japon mga illegal pinoy labina sa Dubai daghan jamo.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #21 on:** April 03, 2009, 05:38:35 AM »

Illegal migration is a natural as it follows the flow of 'supply and demand' in economics.

But over here in the United States, we have over 20+ Million illegal immigrants. Undocumented immigrants who are recieving governmental aid and take American Jobs.

Think about it, let us just say that each illegal immigrant is getting $500 a month from the US government, that equals to an unprecedented $ 10 BILLION every month. That totals to about $120 BILLION every year.

$120 BILLION worth of Tax Payer Money is being spent by government to provide aid to illegal immigrants (this is not including medical care provisions, housing, food, child care, schools etc etc)

$120 BILLION is around 1/4th the Philippine's Gross National Product.

The United States needs to curve illegal immigration.

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bridge · « **Reply #22 on:** April 03, 2009, 05:48:30 AM »

However, many other countries with refugee assistance and refugee reception.

Take the example that the U.S. has received only 190 Iraqi refugees until November 2008, while small countries in Europe, with over 9 environment's own people have opened doors to some 20 000 Iraqi refugees! Obama has said that the U.S. must open up to about 7000 Iraqi refugees, but it is going slow, I believe,,, So the war costs have been biased towards the other countries in the world ..

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #23 on:** April 03, 2009, 05:55:34 AM »

The United States isn't subject to loose door policies, there are proper and legal procedures one needs to take into consideration to gain entry into the United States.

As for Iraqi refugees, the United States is currently in a war against terrorism. Whose to say some of the refugees will not do damage to the United States or plot suicide attacks within our midst.

Strategic initiative on Washington's part.

Please let me reiterate, there are over 20 MILLION illegal immigrants in the United States; the US has enough trouble as it is providing assistance to them, let alone, those who would come here as refugees.

There is a large difference between 20,000 to 20,000,000.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #24 on:** April 03, 2009, 06:03:42 AM »

Please note that so far, there are about 2,627 Iraqis that have been resettled in the United States.

Please also read history. In 1975, after the fall of Saigon, within 8 months, the United States admitted an overwhelming 130,000 Vietnamese refugees to the United States.

Who said we are biased?

Its called initiative. The war is still going on. And refugees and aid to them cost money. The United States' coffers isn't infinite. We are having economic troubles as it is.

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bridge · « **Reply #25 on:** April 03, 2009, 06:06:07 AM »

Its important to know the differenc between the statistic,, I dont talk about illegal immigrant, I talk about reguges,, its a big diffrent! And the goverment in US had just, for 3 weeks ago, self sign a commitment with the worlds leader to help the Irakq people to apply reguges status to US..

When someone apply for refuges status its a legal process with criteria who can use it or not. Dont mix refuges and illegal immigrants statistic, its big different. My statistic its about refuges status,,

The statistic also show, that many Iraq people who had got refuges status in europe now had move back to Irak, because they want to be there and build up the new country. Actually the highest statistic to move back are just the iraq people,,,

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #26 on:** April 03, 2009, 06:12:07 AM »

It matters not, Bridge.

Either it be refugee or illegal immigrants, it all stems back to governmental provision for them. Does it not? Who bears the cost for economic aid to refugees in the 'states? Who pays for their airplane tickets? Who pays for the education of their children?Who pays and provides for their housing, who provides for their monthly stipend?

The United States Government does.
Where does the United States government get funds to appropriate such spending?

The American Citizen and the American Tax Payer money.

The United States doesn't have to open its doors blindly to any refugee. Screening process is rigid here in the United States. Good for the Europeans who open their doors to refugees. As a collective, the EU can afford more.

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bridge · « **Reply #27 on:** April 03, 2009, 06:12:22 AM »

Yeah, I know the war cost, like tax payer in US, Philippines and in a European country, at the same time! But US had self been the active part in the war, so of course they need to talk the costs too.

But still had US not follow the commitment to clean up in Vietnamn after the war! I had work there with aid progam in the old military zones, for other international organizations than americans!

No, I am not really proud!

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hofelina · « **Reply #28 on:** April 03, 2009, 06:15:45 AM »

After the first visit of Pres Obama to Europe, he requested the countries to accept the ex-prisoners of Guantanamo, the taxpayers were speechless.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #29 on:** April 03, 2009, 06:17:37 AM »

In the perspective of the American Citizen,

Why should we pay taxes and have our taxes to be used to send refugees of foreign lands to the United States? The United States spends and provides billions of dollars worth in aid annually as it is.

Money should be spent for growth and maintenance of infrastructure; maintenance of roads, bridges, highways, building new schools, building new prisons, hospitals, airports etc.

More programs and policies that affects the average American citizen. Increasing and solving the medical system and medicare system for the elderly, reforming the educational system for our American youth, reforming the welfare systems to be used for American Citizens and/or documented Legal immigrants/ resident aliens.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #30 on:** April 03, 2009, 06:19:22 AM »

Obama should never close Guantanamo. He is also insisting that these terrorists be placed in Federal penitentiaries.

Terrorist do not deserve to be placed in our midst nor should they be placed in prisons in Europe.

But this is beyond and outside the scope of topic.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #31 on:** April 03, 2009, 06:21:31 AM »

Yeah, I know the war cost, like tax payer in US, Philippines and in a European country, at the same time! But US had self been the active part in the war, so of course they need to talk the costs too.

But still had US not follow the commitment to clean up in Vietnamn after the war! I had work there with aid progam in the old military zones, for other international organizations than americans!

No, I am not really proud!

The United States has no obligation to rebuild Communist Vietnam. Such action that you are inferring would require pluripotency. The United States fulfilled its pledge and relationship with the defeated government of South Vietnam by opening its doors to the Vietnamese who were fleeing Vietnam and under assault by the Communist North Vietnamese.

The United States' action was unprecedented.

Over 131,000 Vietnamese immigrants were granted refugee status in the United States and relocated in the United States.

Unprecedented.

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hofelina · « **Reply #32 on:** April 03, 2009, 06:27:49 AM »

Hold your breath Lorenzo, Pres Obama wishes to close the Guantanamo and release the prisoners, dinhi niya i-itsa sa Europe! Paloma ang mga Kano ug pamereso, walay klaro nga terorista jud kining mga tawhana, pataka man lang si George kay na-paranoid na, unya karon Europe ang masagop.

ps
Sorry bridge, here is the english translations of my postings; I take the Americans to be blamed for holding prisoners who are not really identified as terrorist since George (meaning Bush) is getting paranoid already, and now Europe is being asked to take them into their territory.

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bridge · « **Reply #33 on:** April 03, 2009, 06:28:41 AM »

I dont agree with you,, If a country have enough money to start war,, they need to have afford to rebuild too... A big level of illegal immigrants its more a question about bad politicans.

To discuss on the level on airplanes tickets,, no, for me its a bigger and higher level than that,, So I drop that level of discussion there,, After 3 years in position to handle immigrants issue, at the immigration board..

I respect your opinion, but I really dont share it! I really suffer with the iraq people and to leave your country in war, its really nothing you dream about, they always live with the dream to move back, and a high number of them had also done that now.

I am self a "immigrant" with 3 residence status in 3 different countries, because of my job, its something else,,,, to help people in need, I think I have afford to pay around 40 % in taxes,, when other dont have food, clothes and no peace coz of the war..

"Broken people find it difficult to build the broken homes"

Cheers

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bridge · « **Reply #34 on:** April 03, 2009, 06:34:21 AM »

Hofelina, yeah Pres Obama he wish to close the Guantanamo base.

Many country leader in the world had press Obama to that too, probably thats why some of them come and stay in different countries prison. Many of them had not got an international court hearing, contrary to the international legal system. I am not familiar with it but I think some cases should be examined in the War Crimes Tribunal.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #35 on:** April 03, 2009, 06:39:35 AM »

Also, Bridge, there is a difference when comparing the situation in Iraq to that of Vietnam some 3 decades ago.

The situation in Vietnam was complete and unnavigable considering the defeat of the nation of South Vietnam in 1975. The North Vietnamese conquest of Saigon united the two nations under one banner. The Democratic Socialist Republic of Vietnam.

Considering the United States was a strategic ally of the South Vietnamese, it had an obligation to offer assistance to the South Vietnaese (mostly soldiers of south vietnam and their families, politicians, bankeres, capitalists, academians etc). In good faith, the United States would not allow them to be persecuted by the Communists, so therefore offered them refugee status to the United States. Many of whom were relocated to Idaho, Georgia, Louisiana, Nebraska, and other Midwestern states.

The situation in Iraq is categorically different as Iraq was liberated by the United States Military, toppling over Sadam Hussein and its regime. The sectarian violence we saw in Iraq after the American Invasion in 2003 was due to the porous border between Iraq and Syria, Iran, etc.

The violence and level of violence has substantially decreased, due to American military presence and preserverance, which has led to the training of over 400,000 Iraqi military and police/paramilitary personnel.

The American Military presence vied for time to allow the development of Iraqi Democracy, to the government we see today, which has prospered and is a success for American Geopolitcal experiment. The government of Iraq, which was once feared to collapse due to the difference and inability for Sunni and Shi'i to collaborate, as seen in 2003-2006. However, the Iraqi people have united in disgust of the terrorists that come to the country, and as a result, there has been a high degree of cooperation between Sunni, Shi'i and Kurds.

The newly formed and American-Trained Iraqi Republican Army has taken initiative and has lifted the pressure on the United States Military in the region; taking patrol routes and providing stability to regions that were once rife with sectarian violence and high terrorist activity. Minimized.

Additionally, the United States Government provides an unprecedented aid to the Iraqi government and people; leading to the development of infrastructure, hospitals, market districts etc.

Iraq is a success for the United States, and with time, with American support, the Iraqi people will no longer need to go abroad as refugees, but seek and re-establish their lives again in Iraq.

Within the 6 year time line, since the Invasion of Iraq in 2003, the United States Military and Government has accomplished alot in Iraq. Most importantly is the supplanting of a Western-styled Democracy in the Middle East.

As you see, the two theaters; Iraq and Vietnam is totally different. The former is a success story, and the latter was a political and military discrepancy that required America to open its doors to its former ally.

Cheers,
Lorenzo

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #36 on:** April 03, 2009, 06:41:36 AM »

Hofelina, yeah Pres Obama he wish to close the Guantanamo base.

Many country leader in the world had press Obama to that too, probably thats why some of them come and stay in different countries prison. Many of them had not got an international court hearing, contrary to the international legal system. I am not familiar with it but I think some cases should be examined in the War Crimes Tribunal.

This is a topic that is not en lieu with the subject matter.

Get back to the topic.

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ms da binsi · « **Reply #37 on:** April 03, 2009, 06:41:38 AM »

Think about it, let us just say that each illegal immigrant is getting $500 a month from the US government, that equals to an unprecedented $ 10 BILLION every month. That totals to about $120 BILLION every year.

$120 BILLION worth of Tax Payer Money is being spent by government to provide aid to illegal immigrants (this is not including medical care provisions, housing, food, child care, schools etc etc)

$120 BILLION is around 1/4th the Philippine's Gross National Product.

The United States needs to curve illegal immigration.

Dodong i was an illegal immigrant and know a lot of the same, i dont remember if we get aid from the government. Yeah we work though and that we get money to feed ourselves. Any illegal immigs never get any aid of whatsoever, never even food stamps...

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bridge · « **Reply #38 on:** April 03, 2009, 06:44:02 AM »

Yeah, The situation is differnet with Vietnam and Iraq. I had never compare them.. And still in April 2009 people from Iraq apply for refuges status in different countries....

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #39 on:** April 03, 2009, 06:50:48 AM »

Yeah, The situation is differnet with Vietnam and Iraq. I had never compare them.. And still in April 2009 people from Iraq apply for refuges status in different countries....

You did compare them, You posted:

But still had US not follow the commitment to clean up in Vietnamn after the war! I had work there with aid progam in the old military zones, for other international organizations than americans!

No, I am not really proud!

Your post inferred that the United States should help in Vietnam, but it did. It took in 131,000 Vietnamese. As, technically speaking, that is what it was able to do. The United States could not rebuild Vietnam immediatley after the war due to the political rammifcations and the differences Hanoi and Washington had. Must remember that the two governments were in military conflict since 1967.

Cheers.

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