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« on: July 03, 2007, 04:34:46 AM »
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For the past few years, the Philippines has been a favorite destination of Korean students seeking to improve their English proficiency. Special English language schools have been set up in recent years to meet this growing demand. Now the government has announced that it will promote the country as an “education tourism” destination. The government is encouraged by reports that students from India and China are arriving as well to enroll in Philippine schools.

If the government is serious in achieving its goal, it should improve the quality of Philippine education to attract more foreign students. Not too long ago, the country was a top destination for foreign students seeking not just English proficiency but quality education in all subjects. Foreign students went to Los Baños to earn a degree in agriculture. Philippine schools excelled in almost all disciplines, and the quality of education showed in the skills of the country’s workforce.

All this changed as the nation became complacent and education particularly in public schools was neglected. The country has lost its edge in all disciplines. If foreign students are coming here in droves to improve their English proficiency, one major reason is not the high quality of education but the lower tuition rates compared to those in countries such as Singapore where English is also widely spoken.

The government should improve the quality of education at all levels not just for foreign visitors but for all Filipinos. In recent years the government has scrambled to reverse the deterioration in the quality of education especially in public schools. Efforts are also being made to improve Filipinos’ proficiency not just in English but also in the Tagalog-based national language. So far, progress has been slow; it will take years before the toll of decades of neglect can be fully reversed. As the government promotes education tourism, it should apply as much energy in improving the quality of education for all Filipinos.

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« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2007, 04:45:58 AM »
"...Not too long ago, the country was a top destination for foreign students seeking not just English proficiency but quality education in all subjects. Foreign students went to Los Baños to earn a degree in agriculture. Philippine schools excelled in almost all disciplines, and the quality of education showed in the skills of the country’s workforce... "

Thousands of Thais did go to the Philippines to earn college degrees during the 60s and 70s. But when our uncivilized education officials in Manila forced them, including the rest of foreign students in the Philippines, to learn Tagalog, they stopped coming to the Philippines. Why should they study Tagalog? Non-sense!

The other day I met one of the top five officials of the Royal Thai Airways. He is the manager of the Cargo Division of the Royal Thai Airways, a division that is generating 30 billion baht revenue a year for Royal Thai coffers.

My biggest surprise during our talk was when he told me that he studied in Silliman University and that he was one of the players of the Silliman Football Team during the early 70s.

Many Thais went to Silliman three decades ago. But when Tagalog was incorporated in the rotten Philippine education system, they all fled back to their country.

Okay, okay, Tagalog is the language of globalization and international trade, so the Manila folks want us to eat Tagalog. Non-sense!

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« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2007, 03:56:58 AM »
I would like to share with you one story.... Once I met Richard Uy of FCB while he was still working in Riyadh Bank in AlKhobar Saudi Arabia few years ago. It goes like this...

His family who were raised in the states were moved to Bohol as they decided to finally settle there for reasons of enjoying quality life... His kids were enrolled at Bohol Wisdom School and due to the high standard of curriculum in the states, his kids excell in almost all the subject....

Then one day mi tawag si Richard kay makig inom... naa kunoy problema.... amo dayong gi adto sa ilang compound nga gi puy-an... akong kuban adto si Rocky Gatal ug Rey Ompad...

Ga dali-dali dayon mi kay nabaka pod mi kung unsa na ang iyang problema... unya pag abot namo.... mi ingon dayon siya... naa koy problema bay... akong anak ma honor unta sa Wisdom.... pero "nahagbong sa Tagalog"....
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« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2007, 12:59:47 PM »
With all the "tele-novelas" (both new and reruns..hey AngTV is being re-played too, fyi!) bombarding the airwaves 24/7, I'm sure the DepEd would pull-out all the Filipino subjects across the board this year. I mean, the tube is way better than your average Filipino teacher who still teaches tagalog sh*t like: "Ang yeso ay gamit panulat sa pisara!" or "Baybayin sa tagalog ang salitang parirala!" Aaaannnnooo??? Give me a break! No wonder students go crazy and flunk all other subjects, too.

So instead of the usual fare of "takdang aralins", let them watch Judy Ann's "Ysabella", the star-studded "Rounin" or the rerun of "Meteor Garden" (yes, those Taiwaneses are fluent!) for their daily dose of Tagalog and in a year they'll be better than Sam Milby or Manny Pacquiao.

No, seriously though, I don't think the state of education in the Philippines is not brought about only by the apparent "pabago-bago" of the official medium of instruction. Among other things, 1. government spending on education has decreased dramatically (together with health and social services) in favor of the increase of military allocation and cell-phone load budget. 2. business persons have realized that schools are way better than factories as a business. 3. and most importantly, all other countries that used to come to us have improved their educational systems that they don't have to travel to study anymore. Leaving us lagging behind.

Poor us. Is there still hope? Anyone?

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« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2007, 09:57:48 PM »
It's fine to learn Tagalog and Bisaya in schools. We are Filipinos and we should learn or relearn what is ours. And love what is ours. For decades, we have been moulded by an American educational system, which forced us to become "Americans" that we are not and will never be! We learned our ABCs and One Two Threes, and learned that A is for apple, which is even very foreign for all of us. English has been a must for everyone. 

Perhaps, it is a good thing to learn the language of the "super powers" for us to be "globally competitive" in our business ventures, careers, and services. But it has come to such irony as most Filipinos now look up to those who can speak and write better English, and perhaps, bow to those who have the English "twang." We even laugh at people's crooked English but find it cute for Fil-Ams and other foreigners who speak broken Bisaya or Tagalog. For all we know, to speak English well is not a real measure of one's wit and intellect, or one's capacity to learn, or one's ability to work or serve.

We have made the English language as the "standard" in schools and in most institutions. Learning it has become the "be-all and end-all." Yes, we now live in a global village and our tongues need to be versatile but let us not forget who we are and what we are. We are Filipinos and we should take pride of our language. If we take time to learn English, we must take time to master our very own language- be it Bisaya, Tagalog, or otherwise.  :)

Which, I believe, most of us cannot claim to have done so. :(

(the issue of our present educational system is another story... :P)

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« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2007, 11:43:48 PM »
You are right snowhite.

Tell me any Japanese who speaks fluent English.... I guess nobody.

But, look at them....what is their place in the world today?...

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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2007, 04:22:10 PM »
English will always be here with us and we cannot brush it aside. It's a blessing that we, Filipinos, are polyglots and we can take pride of that fact. If education tourism is one way to boost our economy and boost our morales, then let it be. Let's teach the tourists bad English so no matter how far our educational system has "deteriorated," Filipinos will still be at par... hahahahh! joke!  ;D  ;D

Really, I just hope our government and the private sectors still invest in good education. As for me, I am planning to volunteer to teach literacy among the kids in my barangay. It has been my plan for a long time but I have not started it yet. What KaKa (Kaliwat ni Karyapa- a writers group in Bohol) and the Literary Arts Committee of the BACH (Bohol Arts and Cultural Heritage) Council (which Mike is a member!) have done so far is to go around Tagbilaran and teach Tigmo-tigmo and Boholano legends among little children at the Day Care Centers.

If you like to help us, pls send me a message.    ;)

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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2007, 04:25:07 PM »
Snowhite,

Be our Ambassadress of Goodwill for the Virtual Ms. Bohol Sandugo 2007.

...ug tagai daw mi ug sample sa tigmo-tigmo na imong gitudlo sa mga bata. :)

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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2007, 04:52:46 PM »
Mr. Sandugo,

Mitzi Lungay researched on this. She wrote a thesis re our Bol-anon literature. I'll ask for a copy of the Tigmo and the Pasumbingay.

The Bibo Bohol Heritage Camp last year was interesting, Mike. Paul, Ma'am Baby, Judy, and I facilitated the creative writing workshop. After several games of tigmo-tigmo, panultihon/pasumbingay relays, and short discussions about the Bol-anon literary traditions, the kids were able to come up with their own tigmo, pasumbingay, and panultihon. They had a performance poetry after that. Sir Gardy kept the copies of the "products." I'll ask him if na encode na ba.

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« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2007, 05:12:57 PM »
Snowhite,

Kumusta ko ni Mitzi Lungay.

By the way, asa naman si Mitzi Ibaya? Murag wala man syay friendster. Wa pud ko kita niya pag-uli nako last April.

Snowhite, we'll post the works of the kids and other literary attempts sa mga bata. Kini nalang Tubag Bohol akong contribution sa pagpauswag sa arts and literature sa Bohol ug sa mga kalihokan sa arts council ug CCAD.

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« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2007, 07:09:54 PM »

Snowhite, I take my hats off you. You are like no other. I've always been your fan (from a distance). Rock on! :-*
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« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2007, 08:08:07 PM »
English is not education and should not be associated with education... it is just a tool...it is just one of the total package to label yourself "competent for the ever changing world"... which is 1) Education, 2) Scholastic Skills, 3) Financial Skills and 4) Communication Skills which includes English… but who knows, China would become the next superpower…. then all of us would discriminate non-Chinese literates.

…sorry…. I forgot to mention entrepreneurial skills, which our present education system does not provide….most of us learned 95% of it from TV.

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« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2007, 02:24:50 PM »
Yes, Macky is right. As i've said, it's not the real measure of a person's abilities and capabilities. It's just that some schools and our people equate good English with good Education. English is the medium of instruction for schools and the language of the business arena. But at the UP, some of my professors refused to speak in English even when there were foreign students in class. They felt that it's just fair to do so since Filipinos who go abroad are the ones who try to speak the new language. At the UP, they used Tagalog. Apil Math og Sciences gi-Tagalog pud.  >:( At least, wa ko na apil sa Tagalog Math and Sciences. Lisod gyud unta to. We don't have English classes. We had language electives instead. One can choose any language she/he wants to learn. I took Spanish. That's why our graduates have to take English courses outside UP so they can get into Law School, which requires English units.   

Hmmm, if China becomes the next super power, I'll start honing my ni hao and xie xie now; and start using my Chinese Name, too ;D

peng you,

Huang Wei Da   :-*

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« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2007, 03:44:12 PM »
Wow!  This is intense.  Kuyawang Snowhite 'da!  Hurot na akong bilib nimo, Vids!  :o
Buno!  Bangko-lamesa, tinidor-kutsara, plato-platito, sud-an, adobo, pahawa ka!

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« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2007, 06:14:42 PM »
Unsa? ang math gihimon tagalog?..... grabe na man pod.... it must have sound funny in class.... so, instead of saying "what is the quare root of nine", the teacher would say "ano ang parehabang ugat nang siyam"... or if the teacher will say the formula of circle is Pie x Radius Squared : the teacher would say "ang sangkap sa paggawa (formula) nang bilog ay Puto or Bibingka (pie) sukat mula gitna (radius) parehaba (squared)"... yes it is true, there are certain words, which we could not possibly translate...

However, I still disagree that English literacy is a measure of good knowledge or education. I read one article about a tribe in a remote region of Central America where they are away from civilization, yet they have their own name of the nine planets and they have thier own calendar system....

Lets go back to China ..... so, if China would become a superpower, I could practice my Chinese knowledge....like "butay - takong - pawa" means coconut... or "do - wan - ting" (do one thing in English)... or "ching - kong - kwang" means you have to give me 5 peso change....

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« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2007, 07:06:51 PM »
Sa UB -Engineering Dept naay subject na gibinisaya ang mga terms sa math ug engineering sciences...ang nagpasiugda ani mao ra sad si Dr. Jess B. Tirol na uncle ni snowhite!
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« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2007, 10:30:58 AM »

Although "ang sangkap sa paggawa nang bilog ay Puto or Bibingka sukat mula gitna parehaba" had me in stitches, we know that rendering mathematical equations in any vernacular language is not so literal and that PI is still pi in any language.  Using the vernacular in technical fields of science may largely be a matter of getting used to hearing the terms beings so used and mastering their usage, and as to the terms that defy translation let them be as they are. 

Today, there are many who can write and speak English, Binisaya, and Tagalog but not well enough to be fluent in one of the three languages or to be artistically expressive in their mother tongue.  Often, it is not the quantity of what one knows that matters.  What is of greater importance is learning something well.

Also, need it be said that there are a considerable number of Americans and other native English speakers who can't spell English words correctly?

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« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2007, 10:51:30 AM »
Why instense, Sigbin? Hmmm. Ghost, my uncle is very passionate about his research. I chided him that these words are "extinct" and he got "mad" at me. hehehe! Anyway, he's one of the reasons why I "chicken out" from writing Bisaya when I know he has the access to read it. Bitaw, I really appreciate his works. He's working on a dictionary. Sa tanang iyang mga pag-umangkon, ako ra man poy magsunod-sunod niya kabahin ani.

Bisaya is very rich. We have words practically for everything. Our counting system reaches up to millions and billions. Hmm! Why not make Bisaya the language of the world. Bitaw, there are Bisaya all over the world! We can conquer the world already. Matud pa ni Jessica Zafra, kita kunong mga pinoy, world domination is in our hands kuno. Bitaw, apil na mga Bisaya ana. Daghan gyud ta kaayo. If we all just stop working for one day, the operations of the richest malls in Dubai, the hospitals in New York, the cruise ships in England, the IT operations in Singapore, or the bars (ehe) in Japan will be paralized! heehehe!     

So karon, Sigbin, dili na akong Chinese name akong gamiton. I'll use my KaKa name instead.

naghigugma kaninyo,

Udlot

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Kamo, paghimo pod mo sa inyong mga Bisaya nga ngalan. Be honorary members of KaKa- Kaliwat ni Karyapa. We are a group of Bol-anons, who are "trying hard" writers in Bol-anong Binisaya.  hehehe! ako ra diay trying hard. Sigbin and Mike are very good writers. Bow gyud ko nila.

ako gihapon...  :)

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« Reply #18 on: July 13, 2007, 10:59:05 AM »

BITAW! Unya noon, ang mga Koreano (mga Thai pod, no?) gani kay biased kaayo. Didto sa Korea, "NATIVE ENGLISH SPEAKERS ONLY" kuno ang ilang dawaton sa mga ESL programs nila. Naa koy nabasahan sa web written in bold letters, "FILIPINOS NEED NOT APPLY." Pungota nako uy. Makalibog, labon manganhi sila sa Pilipinas aron magtuon og English. Way klaro.    :P

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« Reply #19 on: July 13, 2007, 11:27:34 AM »

I'm sure this is not true of everyone in those countries, and I think the reason for this is because they are trying to copy accents in certain English-speaking countries.  I hope this is the real reason and not racism or bigotry.



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