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Are You Atheist?
« on: March 02, 2009, 09:02:23 AM »
Atheist Bus Ads, Rejected In Several Canadian cities, Set To roll out In Calgary

By Bill Graveland, The Canadian Press
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CALGARY - The debate over whether they should be allowed has been settled. Now, the battle to influence the minds of the public will begin as a series of atheist bus ads is set to roll out in Calgary Monday.

The ad campaign, paid for by the Freethought Association of Canada, features ads reading: "There is probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life."

A similar campaign generated controversy and anger in the United Kingdom and Australia and several Canadian cities have rejected the ads including Halifax, Vancouver, Victoria, Kelowna, B.C., London, Ont., and Ottawa.

Only Toronto and Calgary - the bastion of conservatism and the land of cowboys, oil wells and rodeos - are allowing the atheists to get their message out on the side of city buses.

"Possibly the sort of red-neck reputation and the enthusiasm for free speech aren't entirely incompatible," chuckled Janet Keeping, president of the Sheldon Chumir Foundation for Ethics in Leadership, a non-profit organization that looks at activities involving human rights and free speech across the country.

"You could say that standing up for free speech is completely consistent with protecting fundamental values of our system," said Keeping. "The ads are pretty mild stuff. Some of the other jurisdictions are just ready to run roughshod over fundamental freedoms like freedom of speech."

Not everyone sees the bus ads as a threat.

The United Church of Canada launched its own tongue-in-cheek campaign which includes the message: "There's probably a God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life."

But others say it's no laughing matter.

The Islamic Supreme Council of Canada is ready to buy its own bus ads promoting an all-faith approach to religion.

"We know that we live in a free society where people have the right to express themselves, but this is a serious debate - this is not a joke and people have strong feelings," said Imam Syed Sohawardy.

"This is a very serious issue. We see this as a threat toward religion - not Islam, but all faiths."

Calgary's Roman Catholic Bishop Fred Henry has also expressed his concern about the atheist campaign and had pondered buying his own controversial ads promoting positions such as pro-life.

"I think that we already pay enough by way of taxes and user fees to support Calgary Transit - my money will go to house the homeless," he said. "But the principle has been established and should we decided to aggressively promote the right to life issue, they won't have ground to stand on."

Ron Collins, with Calgary Transit, said there will be six buses carrying the Freethought Association message for one month. He said the controversy seemed to have died down in recent weeks.

"I don't think there's as much attention being paid as there was at the start of this," he said. "We're following the Canadian Code of Advertising Standards and if it meets the code, it's allowed and this meets the criteria."

Keeping said she was a bit shocked at the passion the debate generated and had expected most Canadians to be a little more open minded.

"We seem to have cultivated this view that we all have the right not to be offended," she said. "That we all have the right never to be exposed to things that might challenge what we might think is proper and true and good.

"I can understand public concern when it comes to Criminal Code stuff, when it comes to advocating violence, advocacy of hatred," Keeping said.

"There is nothing about these bus ads that comes even close."

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Re: Are You Athiest?
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2009, 10:19:02 AM »
I am no way an atheist.  I'd like to believe I respect all people, even people who may have different beliefs as mine, but I don't want people to pester me on their beliefs or the lack of it. 

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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2009, 08:28:58 PM »
i have no problem if these people would want to go public of what they "believe". but i don't think using common public spaces is appropriate or fair for those who might feel offended by it.

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« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2009, 10:55:54 PM »
Exactly, glace! 

Speaking of atheist, have you heard about this guy Michael Newdow?  He is a smart guy and an atheist.  Prior to the inauguration of Obama, he again resurfaced in the media to protest about Obama saying the line "... so help me God!"  Eh, maayo'g sya'y mosulti ngano gabut-an man nya unsay isulti ni Obama.  If he becomes president then he may not say that but why would he enforce on other people his choice of not believing God.   ::)

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« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2009, 11:13:22 PM »
Exactly, glace! 

Speaking of atheist, have you heard about this guy Michael Newdow?  He is a smart guy and an atheist.  Prior to the inauguration of Obama, he again resurfaced in the media to protest about Obama saying the line "... so help me God!"  Eh, maayo'g sya'y mosulti ngano gabut-an man nya unsay isulti ni Obama.  If he becomes president then he may not say that but why would he enforce on other people his choice of not believing God.   ::)

this makes me annoyed. they have the tendency to rob other's expression of belief, which is for me ironic in a sense because it's as our right as theirs. we don't mind them not believing or subscribing to any, and certainly respect their way of expressing it.

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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2009, 11:40:00 PM »
I went to mass yesterday which is one thing I do not often do since I studied in Germany.  My religion, my Christ give me some directions and he spoke to me through the Gospels.

Christ give me hope and strenght to walk on the rocky road of life.  I do not know how is that with atheist.



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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2009, 11:46:57 PM »
I went to mass yesterday which is one thing I do not often do since I studied in Germany.  My religion, my Christ give me some directions and he spoke to me through the Gospels.

Christ give me hope and strength to walk on the rocky road of life.  I do not know how is that with atheist.



God bless your heart, Ayessa!  Touching kaayo imong gi ingon! 

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Re: Are You Athiest?
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2009, 12:25:12 AM »
Atheist or religious, it's one's choice! pero kanang mag allure ka ug tawo to believe or join you, i must admit i really dislike!

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« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2009, 12:34:49 AM »
depende man gud na sa approach bell. ang mga catholic, naa silay implied mission on evangelization.  ang uban radical kaayo , uban gani eratic unya conservative.. didto nagka problema kay ang impact mura man ug namugos.

ecumenism dapat. meaning, we consider the existing culture and belief para mas dali ang acceptability.

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« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2009, 06:28:09 AM »
Ako, I am open to conversation with different christian members or even aethiests. I like to hear their different points of view and interpretation on things, but when it gets to the point where they are pushing down their view of forcing it on me, I politely end the conversation.

As for aethiests, I have friends who are agnostics and/or aethiests. To each his/her own decision.



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« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2009, 09:51:14 AM »
In order to be fair either all religion-related advertising should be allowed - or all of it should be banned.

It's hypocritical to complain about the atheist bus ads, yet have no problem with ads from other religious viewpoints.

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« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2009, 08:50:19 PM »
In order to be fair either all religion-related advertising should be allowed - or all of it should be banned.

It's hypocritical to complain about the atheist bus ads, yet have no problem with ads from other religious viewpoints.

you're right, ben.
however, the Ad looks insulting to people who believe. the way it's being said may also arise tension. to muslims, especially.

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« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2009, 12:24:39 AM »
This is one of the hurdles we must get used to, living in a secularized society.

It all comes down to respect. Its rater libertarian, if you think about it in a way.

"You can do what you want, believe in what you want, so long as you don't do it in my property on push your belief on me, unless its a mutual similarity."

Respect.

That idea is intrinsic jud for the maintenance of Harmony in any situation, place, people, society. Respect is Key.

Just like in this Forum. Respect is Key. :)

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« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2009, 01:11:42 AM »
how's the move by this freethinking group to remove the christian symbol in the US $ like "In God We Trust"? Is it not in a way discriminating to them?just wondering.

i know the huge impact of such move if it's going to be realized but doing so has more than what it takes than merely as diminishing the separation of state and the church.

respecting other people's beliefs is indeed the key, but living with them is demanding another level of tolerance, same for me with the case when a group starts to openly express their views right in front of our very eyes.

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« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2009, 01:27:09 AM »
When we think that we have power over the universe and we have full control over the world, of other people and of our lives, the concept of a God is becoming irrelevant.

When we think that day to day events are natural course of nature and sometimes are influenced by people, less can we think of a God.

When we have everything that we need; fame, wealth , beauty and wisdom, less can we think of a God.

When we have great influence, less can we think of a God.

But we forget that since God made us based on His image and likeness, it is because of this that we have attributes of being a God though we are not. Hence we have characters of being a ruler, abilities to create something, etc.  These are God's likeness that we share from Him
Think about it, "based on His image, and likeness". We look like God, we behave like God.  That is how He love us.

No other creature are created according to God's image and likeness.  Angels and devils are even envious of us.

The two most important thing that God shared with us, are free will and wisdom. It is because of this freewill that we are permitted to choose between the good and the bad.  And wisdom, is the power to choose between the two..



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« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2009, 03:35:17 AM »
Mao bitaw. Its the beauty of the Free Will our Father in Heaven gave us.

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« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2009, 05:23:20 AM »
i am not an atheist. i just do not beleive in being in just one religeous organization. i have met heads of churches and behind closed doors they are not always as sweet or as put on a pedestal that you people tend to let them be.

I do not beleive that anyone should be put on a pedestal in front of god.

I see the churches here not helping the poor in the same manner such as the ones are doing back home.

I see the preist here are eating rich dinners and driving very nice expensive cars and having no good avorable attitude for helping the poor here. I have heard that it is twice now that they pass the collection bag twice now during one mass.

I beleive in God but not being teid to specific beleifs to eachis own.

I see people come out of church and then ten minutes later they are getting drunk or breaking the law or doing things against God and his people.

Church to me is described by some Fiilipinos these days just a place to go and show off to your freinds "Loook at me Ma I am attending church am Inot a gooody goody!"

Thre church here is not allowing vendors to use the parking lot so the poor can make money for supporting they're families.
They do allow a big national food vendor such as Duncan Donuts to use the parking lot as the only allowed vendor.

My understanding is church should help the people and help assist with non-profit organizations that are church reated for improving the peoples livlihoods here.

Cathokic Churches back home are so good, and accept you whether you are baptized or not.

As i said I beleive but not in religeons because i have sen too much wrong being done to people who need help and who do live by the churches way but they are given nothing in return.

We are all equally importaNT AND THATS A FACT i DO NOT WORSHIP NO PREISTS, PREACHERS, OR MINISTERS I DO MY PRAYING IN PRIVATE AND CONDUCT MYSELF POLITLEY IN PUBLIC.

I think I have said enough and answered this as honest as I can. I am here to offend anyone its just my opinion these days in particular.

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« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2009, 05:28:29 AM »
I mean to say I amnot here to offend anyone. I do beleive also that people haqve the right and should have the choice to be any religeon that they so choose to be.

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« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2009, 06:00:31 AM »
Religion cannot save us.
You will be judge according to your deeds here on earth.

Only Gods Mercy can save us from our sins.

JESUS Christ is our salvation... believe and you will be saved !


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« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2009, 06:18:22 AM »
i absolutely respect your stance, precious.

yes, everybody should respect what he/she is believing.

and yes, every one has made mistakes and many have fallen short, even people in robe, even in an institution or community we call church. we are not born saint, but we're capable to be one, with the grace of God--borrowing aleyssa's words--because we're created in God's own image and likeness.

but we never worship human beings like us. why would we? We only worship God.





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« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2009, 07:55:19 AM »
I think this kind of ad is a meaner meat for a big debate. That is one way of promoting their belief. In advertising, the proponent has to observe the pulse response from the public, whether or not their product has gained popularity because of the ad. It would be easier to end their campaign instead of compalining with media coverage. Just let them go and forget it!

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« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2009, 07:56:26 AM »
i am not an atheist. i just do not beleive in being in just one religeous organization. i have met heads of churches and behind closed doors they are not always as sweet or as put on a pedestal that you people tend to let them be.

I do not beleive that anyone should be put on a pedestal in front of god.

I see the churches here not helping the poor in the same manner such as the ones are doing back home.

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I beleive in God but not being teid to specific beleifs to eachis own.

I see people come out of church and then ten minutes later they are getting drunk or breaking the law or doing things against God and his people.

Church to me is described by some Fiilipinos these days just a place to go and show off to your freinds "Loook at me Ma I am attending church am Inot a gooody goody!"

Thre church here is not allowing vendors to use the parking lot so the poor can make money for supporting they're families.
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My understanding is church should help the people and help assist with non-profit organizations that are church reated for improving the peoples livlihoods here.

Cathokic Churches back home are so good, and accept you whether you are baptized or not.

As i said I beleive but not in religeons because i have sen too much wrong being done to people who need help and who do live by the churches way but they are given nothing in return.

We are all equally importaNT AND THATS A FACT i DO NOT WORSHIP NO PREISTS, PREACHERS, OR MINISTERS I DO MY PRAYING IN PRIVATE AND CONDUCT MYSELF POLITLEY IN PUBLIC.

I think I have said enough and answered this as honest as I can. I am here to offend anyone its just my opinion these days in particular.

Precious, you are right; you have said enough to make me understand your biases.  But I applaud you though for your "courage" to expose your way of thinking about things. 

Your quote:  Church to me is described by some Fiilipinos these days just a place to go and show off to your freinds "Loook at me Ma I am attending church am Inot a gooody goody!"

If that's how Church is described to you, oh, you hang out with wrong people. lol!



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« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2009, 08:24:54 AM »
I must give credit to the Catholics here.  The masses do promote a good feeling, they are uplifting.  This is in stark contrast to most of those that I have attended back in the UK, where they are rather somber and procedural affairs.

Back to our debate: the bus ads are not intended to evangelise.  They are meant to show the atheists / agnostics out there that they are not alone, no matter how much their views are frowned upon by respectable society.  As such I think they are a good thing.  Remember that in many places you can get into trouble if you deviate from the main religion.

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« Reply #23 on: March 05, 2009, 09:03:09 AM »
I think this kind of ad is a meaner meat for a big debate. That is one way of promoting their belief. In advertising, the proponent has to observe the pulse response from the public, whether or not their product has gained popularity because of the ad. It would be easier to end their campaign instead of compalining with media coverage. Just let them go and forget it!

this type of Ad is like a cape to a red bull, lay, especially in a community where many are professing believers of the Other--they be christians or muslims or otherwise. there's always another way to promote their stance which would not offend other's sensitivity. if to wave an Ad which point to the core of their belief and disdain it, many don't think this is appropriate.

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« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2009, 09:26:35 AM »
I must give credit to the Catholics here.  The masses do promote a good feeling, they are uplifting.  This is in stark contrast to most of those that I have attended back in the UK, where they are rather somber and procedural affairs.

Back to our debate: the bus ads are not intended to evangelise.  They are meant to show the atheists / agnostics out there that they are not alone, no matter how much their views are frowned upon by respectable society.  As such I think they are a good thing.  Remember that in many places you can get into trouble if you deviate from the main religion.

Ben,

The church that I attend back home in New Jersey has a growing Filipino membership. Ug mo adto ko sa mass, clear kaayo gusto mo canta jud ang Pinoy members. When the liturgical worship songs begin, maka hear jud ko kinsay pinoy or not kay very 'into the song' jud sila. lingaw baya. I can't help but get motivated to sing louder pood. hahaha!

Kining mga pinoy--ug mo adto sa simbahan, mo pour out jud ni sila ilang problema ug ilang gugma sa Ginoo sa Langit.

Very humbling kaayo to observe it.

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« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2009, 09:30:13 AM »
It is really their right to express! We do respect others to air their belief.  But, in return they should also have to respect what is ours- 'Freedom of Spits' meaning abhorence!

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I think this is a photoshop.  An ad like this would really get people frothing at the mouth!

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« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2009, 11:09:54 AM »
Definitely.
This would never go well here in the 'states. Islamic groups would be filing lawsuits.

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« Reply #28 on: March 05, 2009, 11:17:21 AM »
yes they are in Canada. we're still more lenient and tolerant. more Ads like this might be coming.

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« Reply #29 on: March 05, 2009, 05:01:11 PM »
lawsuits? under which grounds? and where would they file it, in sharia courts? hahha

are sharia courts honored in the states?  pardon my ignorance, maybe it is honored. haha

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« Reply #30 on: March 05, 2009, 05:12:16 PM »
Ben,

The church that I attend back home in New Jersey has a growing Filipino membership. Ug mo adto ko sa mass, clear kaayo gusto mo canta jud ang Pinoy members. When the liturgical worship songs begin, maka hear jud ko kinsay pinoy or not kay very 'into the song' jud sila. lingaw baya. I can't help but get motivated to sing louder pood. hahaha!

Kining mga pinoy--ug mo adto sa simbahan, mo pour out jud ni sila ilang problema ug ilang gugma sa Ginoo sa Langit.

Very humbling kaayo to observe it.

pero split level Christianity.  Inig uli sa balay sigeg pamalikas, sige away sa asawa, sigeg pamagi . libakera, hinawayun.

ang eraserheads ( naa na sad silay concert pero sayang wala ko sa pinas) ing ingun, "banal na aso, santong kabayo"

mas daghan pa kong kaila, walay simba simba, pero mas maayo pag binuhatan.


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« Reply #31 on: March 05, 2009, 05:13:41 PM »
pareha lang sa mga tawo nga ganahan ug gira.  Kung naa ganiy gera, wala ang ginoo ana, kay ang gira puro demonyo ang naa.



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« Reply #32 on: March 05, 2009, 05:20:21 PM »
Atheists are most often than not pragmatic, utilitarian thinkers.  I do not have any problem with them at all.  I respect their way of thinking.  There are even more atheists who have better relations with other people, who are more generous and understanding than most of the Christians that I know.



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« Reply #33 on: March 05, 2009, 06:28:43 PM »
Atheists are most often than not pragmatic, utilitarian thinkers.  I do not have any problem with them at all.  I respect their way of thinking.  There are even more atheists who have better relations with other people, who are more generous and understanding than most of the Christians that I know.


Sus tinood jud na ayessa.

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« Reply #34 on: March 05, 2009, 06:31:11 PM »
If statistical data is correct that 99.99% of Catholics are unChristian, most likely they are neither atheist nor are they conservatives but  they are....ehem. Apil sab ko ani da!

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« Reply #35 on: March 05, 2009, 06:32:55 PM »
If statistical data is correct that 99.99% of Catholics are unChristian, most likely they are atheist.
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« Reply #36 on: March 06, 2009, 12:03:14 AM »
lawsuits? under which grounds? and where would they file it, in sharia courts? hahha

are sharia courts honored in the states?  pardon my ignorance, maybe it is honored. haha

Civil rights abuses, religious intolerance and such grounds. The ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union) is active in such. Multiple instances of this. I have a friend who is an attorney and works for the ACLU and specializes on such.



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« Reply #37 on: March 06, 2009, 02:19:45 AM »
Civil rights abuses? because of religion? is this a joke?  There is a freedom of speech and expression  and there is a doctrine of the separation of the church and of the state.  and where is the religious intolerance there?

let me talk to your friend, Civil law is a subject in Political Science in College and nothing reminds me of a civil case because of a comment on religion. 

Is there a civil case which can be filed because of this comment? " Religion flies you into buildings."
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« Reply #38 on: March 06, 2009, 02:41:17 AM »
Pips,

Bantay mo sa amerika, ingun sila ikiha kuno ka kung muingon ka ug

"Religion flies you into buildings?"

Civil case kuno ni!!!

Bel, bantay bantay ani. basin ma dakpan ka.  dili nalang ko muadto ug amerika kay presohon kuno mo comment ug ingun ani.

hahahahha

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« Reply #39 on: March 06, 2009, 03:24:52 AM »
If statistical data is correct that 99.99% of Catholics are unChristian, most likely they are neither atheist nor are they conservatives but  they are....ehem. Apil sab ko ani da!

wikipedia ni layman? hehehe

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