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US job losses in January raise recession fears
« on: February 02, 2008, 10:21:52 PM »


WASHINGTON - US employers cut payrolls for the first time in 4-1/2 years in January, the Labor Department said on Friday in a report that showed the slowing economy was at growing risk of sliding into recession.

A separate report showing a modest revival in manufacturing at the beginning of 2008 took some sting out of the jobs loss but financial market participants were betting the Federal Reserve will have to keep cutting interest rates.

A series of contrasting reports whipsawed financial markets, leaving stock prices basically unchanged in early afternoon trading and bond prices mixed. The dollar recovered earlier losses to show modest gains against the euro.

Uncertainty about US economic prospects was widespread.

"The economy is very weak. It's on the edge of recession but the data are mixed enough so that you can't say a recession has begun," said Stuart Hoffman, chief economist for PNC Financial Services in Pittsburgh. "It's hanging by a thread but it hasn't been cut yet."

President George W. Bush acknowledged to a Kansas City, Missouri, audience there were "troubling signs, serious signs that the economy is weakening" and said Congress should speed up work on fiscal measures to get tax rebates to consumers.

Some 17,000 jobs were cut last month, sharply contrary to Wall Street analysts' forecasts that 80,000 would be created. December's new-job total was revised up to 82,000 from 18,000 but October and November gains were revised lower.

At midmorning, the Institute for Supply Management said its index of national factory activity rose to 50.7 in January from 48.4 in December, a sign of expansion. Consumer sentiment also rose, according to a Reuters/University of Michigan Survey, though not as much as had been forecast.

The soft jobs numbers convinced some analysts that the economy already was in deep trouble.

"We are on the brink of a recession now," said Daniel North, chief economist for Euler Hermes ACI in Owings Mill, Maryland. "The job market is always a lagging indicator. This is a nail-in-the-coffin."

The national unemployment rate eased to 4.9 percent from 5 percent in December. The unemployment rate is calculated using a separate survey than the one the department uses for measuring the number of payroll jobs each month.

The Fed cut interest rates again this week in a bid to spur the economy and the Bush administration and Congress are wrangling over the fiscal stimulus plan. But analysts said more policy action may be necessary to try to avert a stall.

Boris Schlossberg, chief currency strategist for DailyFX.com in New York, said the jobs total "shows that the economy is at a virtual standstill."

"It is very negative from a long-term perspective because clearly the Fed is going to have to continue cutting rates," Schlossberg added. Lower US interest rates could put further downward pressure on the dollar's value.

Manufacturers cut 28,000 jobs in January, a 19th straight month of contraction for the sector, while the number of construction jobs dropped by 27,000. The Labor Department said construction industries have shed 284,000 jobs since employment peaked in September 2006, largely reflecting the continuing decline in home building.

A separate report from the Commerce Department showed, not surprisingly, that construction spending dropped 1.1 percent in December, partly because of a fall-off in home construction. Sales, construction and prices of both new and previously owned homes are in sharp decline with no early end in sight.

The job report showed that after holding steady for six months, the average workweek fell to 33.7 hours in January from 33.8 in December, another sign of weakening in labor markets.

The private sector added 1,000 jobs in January but 18,000 government jobs were lost.


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« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2008, 10:41:04 PM »
Yet, this is really true, in fact my friends in SF where i visited last month were the ones affected by this. My friend Geri used to have a very good position  in one of Americas biggest mortgage company and they filed bankruptcy in November. So Geri Lost her job just like that, And Anne (her partner) works with Geri's big Boss, got fired too because the Big Boss lost her job too...Think, they are only one of the millions who lost their jobs, i felt so sorry for them, now Anne back to his bantay ug tiguwang job which she hated before...

The bubble got bigger and bigger so it popped!


So People beware, because this is not really looking good! So kadtong dili kamao mo binisaya, kinahanglan na dagway mag practice kay one of these days naa gyuy manguli sa Pinas if things get so worst. Ako gani mag practice na dagway ko ug Chinese language ani kay murag ang China na sunod mo rule sa earth...It has been predicted and i was hearing this since i was small, that the Sleeping Dragon will someday wake up and shake the world...

Agree mo? dili?

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« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2008, 11:38:47 PM »
do agree, thankz for sharing your views Ms Belle, U S now needs a new leader who can direct their economy into the right path, it might be Clinton or Obama. let's see what happens next.

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« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2008, 01:00:18 AM »
Its ironic how people talk about 'recession' or 'fears of recession'. Americans are too proud to accept the fact that the country IS in a recession. We are suffering a plethora of problems, our exchange rate is insidiously falling compared to 'weaker' currencies. The American dollar is worth less than the Canadian dollar, now. For ever, since there was an America, our currency has always been higher than the Canadian dollar, just to illustrate this devastating situation we are in.

The reason for it: Fears and distrust in the US economy, investors are pulling out, as well as our ridiculously spending on this war. The United States spends over 1.5 Billion dollars a day on this war, and as we speak, the Armed Forces are still proceeding with the creation and building of new air craft carriers (which are of the 4th generation kind, cost exceeding 50 Billion US dollars, as well as ordering more war materiel). This unsatiable spending is the root of our problem. Throughout the past 5 years, the American Hyperpower has accumulated almost 1 Trillion US dollars in debt because of this war, and it continues to rise.


This is the problem, this is the root of the problem. We spend more in one year for this war than the Philippine economy makes in one year.

How to solve the recession?
Alleviate taxes, more capital into economy, lighten the military spending
Start investing in small businesses. This country needs to re-institute confidence in itself.

This great nation needs a change from within. We need a confident and a positive economy-oriented president, and until then, I urge all of us Americans, all 300,100,000 of us to stand up and speak up, vote! That is the only way we can change the current regime in place, my vote falls into either Clinton or Obama.

The reason for this, is under the previous Clinton administration, this country ballooned in terms of economics, unemployment was so low it was in the 1-3% range, the economy was surging at a reputable 4-5%, domestic spending was high, international relations were very warm, overall confidence in the American Power was high. We need that again.

Obama is also a good pick, his policies seem identical to that of Clinton.


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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2008, 01:07:00 AM »
1.5 BILLION A DAY?#?!?

kinsa may di ma purdoy ana aber?

alkanse ang negosyo!!!

honestly, 1.5 sa war plus pila ka billion a day the OFW's non taxable income have been sent to one's country?

lugi ang insik Dodong Insoy!

kinahanglan ilisan na ang manager sa sari-sari store!!!!

SOMTHING HAS TO BE DONE!

AHORA!!!

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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2008, 01:17:24 AM »
Ate Belle, its the tax dollars  you pay have to pay. Thats were it all goes.
Its the average joe and the average Jane that suffers jud, the hard working American.

That is the policy of this current administration, "If there is a problem; tax the masses, tax and tax and tax them"





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« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2008, 01:20:10 AM »
Sus Dodong ug makakita lang ka sa mga Western Union sa LA and other big Cities, nag pila ang mga magpadalahay ug datung sa lainlain nga nasud! pila ra kaha nila ang nag bayad sa tax? i was not an american at that time pero i was really sad sa US nga gipanginhasan ug maajo!

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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2008, 01:24:19 AM »
What seethes me is how much we do for the world, whenever there is a disaster somewhere in Africa, Asia etc, who is the first to make monetary contributions or sends out the red cross and relief workers? The United States. Who polices the ocean's waters for piracy? The US Navy. It would be nice if the world would pick up the brunt of the burden as well. Everyone, in this world seems to 'hate' America, or make fun of the 'American', but its ironic how their economies are dependent on the Billions of dollars we Americans have invested in their economies, helped their governments, fought their wars etc.

The blood, sweat and money of the American is lost for this.

But whenever something bad happens to America, no one is as quick to aid us.
When Katrina occurred, 500,000 of our best troops were in Iraq and we were forced to scramble our national guard, no one in the world stage came or sent a huge relief force to help us at all. Americans took up the charge. We were too busy in Iraq, Afghanistan, the Philippines, Japan, S.Korea, Germany, France, Italy, England, Africa, Latin America etc, all spread out.

We cant even help our own people because we're so busy making sure the world is as stable as possible.

It is not fair pood.

I say this country picks up more a conservative policy when it comes to American interests. America first, then the world.

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« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2008, 01:31:53 AM »
kahilakon ko nag basa sa imong post Dodong!

dili gyud fair, naa pa atong health care nag ka gulijang! ang mga guwang gi pang dump nalang kay dili dawaton sa ubang hospitals! i hated it! that was not America used to be! i hated it!

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« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2008, 04:04:08 AM »
Bitaw, Ate Belle. Dili jud na ang fair uy sa ang maguwang, naa jud pood bata diri without health insurance. It is not fair for the American pood uy, who will help American when we need help? Everyone is so used to us helping them. When a country needs a loan, they come begging to America first. When a country is having a civil war, they beg the United States to send economic and health aid. We scramble help faster than the UN does.

Katrina is a lesson for us as Americans. We cannot expect others to help us, we must be ready for the worst and help ourselves.

God Bless all of the young and brave American men and women that die in wars. When we liberated Asia from the Japanese, when we liberated Europe and Africa from the Nazis. Do they even remember that?
When the United States bailed Germany, England, France, Russia, and Japan after the great WWII, and granted them amnesty in terms of debt, do they remember that?

We give too much. That is the problem with the Untied States.

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« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2008, 04:08:45 AM »
That Katrina "thing" really broke my heart Dodong!

sus wa lang gyud sila taga gawas kabalo noh?

That was a desaster sa America nga akong nakita nga i mura'g we are in the third world, people were so helpless!

thinking nga ang New Orleans is in America unja luoy kaajo sila!

there are some wa pa baja balay hangtud karon Dodong!

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« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2008, 05:40:50 AM »
Katrina was a wake up call for us.

One of the largest cities of the United States, the World's Mightiest and Wealthiest Hyper power was swallowed by the sea. Flooded. Our channel locks, which was a sophisticated system buckled in the wake of God's natural wrath. It was a wake up call for me that Man truly is nothing. For even our greatest engineering marvels, could not even withstand a Hurricane. Society in New Orleans collapsed. When the flooding occurred, thousands upon thousands broke out, the lawlessness was profound. Municipal government had absolutely no control, and had to call disaster relief efforts from the Federal Government in order to rush in the Military to enforce the rule of law; as well as rescue the millions of citizens that were stuck.

This is New Orleans we are talking about. The 'Pearl of the South', the "Gateway to the American Giant".

This is the United States, the pinnacle of Industrialization, the leader of the Free-World, the nation that could wipe out the world by saturating it with its nuclear weapons, yet it was crippled by a simple hurricane. What it takes man years to complete, God can destroy in a matter of minutes.


New Orleans before the Flood


New Orleans, the Mighty

AFTER the Flood



And He Swallowed the City Whole


Devastation


To this day, 50% of the city is still damaged. One of the largest urban sprawls of these United States of America is still in paralysis. It has taken the government billions of dollars to repair the city. 3 years after the event, still we have not recovered from it.


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« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2008, 10:40:40 AM »
ms da binsi, I'm not sure about China will become the ruler of the world will happen. It's not because it's predicted it will come true. Don't forget the USA is the most powerful nation in the world. Which means whatever success this nation can do, it reflects the success of the rest of the world. And if this nation goes bad and so with the other nations too, and since most of the American jobs like manufacturers and many others, were being outsource to China, they will also be affected. Without the huge support of the US, China can barely do it alone.
America needs change really bad. And the only way who can do it will be the next democratic President in the White House who can stop this ridiculous war of nowhere in Iraq, absolute waste of tax payer's money.
Let's just pray that everything will going to be fine!

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« Reply #13 on: February 03, 2008, 12:08:28 PM »
China will usurp the United States as the worlds number once consumer, that is a guarantee. China already boasts having a working middle class of 250 million, and a growing portion of its citizenry are progressing. In market trends, the Chinese will be the largest economy in the world within 20 years, at their current growth rate and at the current American growth rate. The United States still remains the world's largest service oriented economy, as in banking systems as well as most of the wealth is owned by the United States, however, our growth is being competed by the growing service oriented economy of India. China remains primarily a manufactorial economy, as in it is completely dependent on the consumer base of the United States as well as Western Europe and the world. China beats all competitors in the sector, by its shear number of workers and by the cheapness of their goods. However, China remains a manufactorial economy. In political and economic terms, it will remain a slave to the consumerism of the capitalists. Unless it switches its focus to service orientation.

In terms of military, both nations-China and the United States are at odds. China boasts having the world's largest land force in the world. Any invasion of China proper would be a direct suicide, as they would easily annihilate any force foolish enough to land on its shores. However, the United State's air force is unmatched in the world. The United States' Imperial Navy is also umatched; the US has over 18 Super carrriers around the world; all of which have nuclear capability and could saturate any country, anywhere in the world within minutes.

If it ever came to a war with the United States and China, the United States's air force would obliterate the Chinese air force from the sky; the Chinese coastal navy would be liquidated within mere weeks when the US Navy scrambled its entire Pacific Naval Corp; which alone is massive in size, that is not including the US atlantic naval corp or the central naval corp.

If it ever came to nuclear, the United States would completely decimate China vis-a-vis nuclear wipeout. The United States, with its nuclear arsenal, has the potential to completely wipe out existance in this very earth 1,000 times over.

We're not talking about hydrogen bombs, or atomic bombs, we're talking thermonuclear. China has the ICBMs that can reach Hawaii or California, but it cannot reach the east coast without its submarines in place. Before the Chinese submarine fleet can even cross the Philippine trench, the US Pacific Naval Corp would have wiped out the entire Chinese naval fleet. Within mere days.

No nation, in this world, has ever won a naval war with the United States.
I mean no offense to say this, but the US owns the world's waters. If she decided to, she could wipe out the world's navies at will.

The United States, as powerful as it is, has truly practiced constraint when it comes to dealing with Iran, Iraq, and China.



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« Reply #14 on: February 03, 2008, 03:38:43 PM »
I am not against America baja, kay mao baja pod ni akong butter and peanut :D

But what i had mention about the prediction was not literally gi tagna-tagna, but it was already foreseen not by just ordinary people like us. That issue was published in Times magazine way back in the mid 80's.

Speaking of "outsourcing to China", yes we got stuff made in China. Why dont we manufacture it here? kay mahal ang sweldo sa mga Americano dajun gamay nalang ang ganansya, who suffered most? still America kay wala nay jobs para sa mga new generations. New kids in the hood cant afford to go to college kay mahal kaajo so they go for military schools para maka eskwela, but has to undergo so many tests and exams, unja ang mga dili kaajo bright? mag army nalang, himoon ug front sa guira. Then kay gusto man ug daku nga ginansya, mo hire na dayun ug professionals sa laing nasud like India, Japan, Phils etc. kinsa na sad na lugi? America na sad, kay ngano? who would like to hire expensive employees where they could hire some from outside the US? mga bright pa kaajo? So unsay gamit sa atong mga bag-ong grads diri? nag waiter/waitress nalang sa Applebees ug IHOP! yeah i have a friend who is a Univ grad nag waitress.

If you try to compare us to other people in the world, kitay kina gastohan nga molupyo kay gisihan ta ug sulsol sa advertisements, buy this and that, advertisement  is also one of the biggest business in the US para kita mo palit. Eg. bag-o pa imong TV, ninggawas na sad sa Market ang plasma, nakapalit ka ug plasma sunod 6 mos, ning gawas ang LCD so ni palit na sad ug LCD kay nindot kaajo sa ad tan-awon. Lets go to cars...sigi ilis2x ug cars and more cars than people, ngano? kay sigi ta gihagad sa advertisement nga mo palit. What about the mortgage? sigi! Karon pila imong sweldo? igo-igo ra ibajad sa Credit card? do everyone of us has enough savings? NOPE? nag salig ra ta sa atong retirements! does retirement money enough sa medisina when you will need it? NOPE. So swerte atong banana nga nangasawa nato kay pwede man nato sila taralon sa Pinas to stretch their retirement money. These are not happening in some rich but not powerful countries.

Kitang mga Pinoy dili man ta ka feel ani kay gikan man ta sa kapobrehon, not literally nga pobre kay naa man uban diri nga adunahan sa atoa, but bisan na. Pero silang mga taga diri, can really feel IT. Somethig has to be changed!


Kani akong jamajama is all about to become powerful and rich, that we the people suffered. Look at other countries? Do they have the same pressure like we do?

Dodong ug mo ingon ka nga pwede ma wipe out ang nations in seconds agi sa ka powerful sa US then who would judge then? the aliens? hala, ug i wipe out tanan mura na ta ug MARS?

huy ga jama jama man ko anih. wa pa baja ko mahuman pero katulogon na ko.

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« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2008, 12:34:50 AM »
Brilliantly said, Ate Belle.

All you said is absolutely true, about the situation of job outsourcing, and the unsatiable consumerism of this country. We give, and we spend too much, as a nation.

With this job outsourcing phenomenon occurring, we cannot deny that this is all following the larger scheme of capitalism. The American employers see it more profitable to hire Indians, Chinese, Taiwanese, etc instead of Americans due to the decreased wage those people demand; as well as the absence of the Union system in those countries, which is present here in the United States. Partial blame can be placed on our own large companies for outsourcing to foreigners, and denying the jobs to our own American citizenry. But then again, it makes sense in an economic and capitalistic point of view. Very confusing no?
I guess the only way to stop this situation is if we placed a president in the white house with a more protectionist agenda when it comes to American foreign and domestic policy; economic as well as political.

Mao bitaw, Ate Belle. This country, as powerful and lethal as it can be, has truly abided with the humane agenda to the best of its ability given the circumstances in fighting a constant religious-based insurrection in Iraq. As well as countries that this country considers 'hostile' or a 'threat' to American interests.

Ate belle, you pointed out absolutely credible points jud. I agree, I agree jud.

One thing,  I am glad that the United States has stuck to is its promise and pledge to defend and protect the Philippines from all foreign aggressors since its independence in 1946. Since then, the American government has abided with its strategic military alliance with the Philippines. No nation, has ever touched our soil since then. Thank God for the nuclear umbrella that is the US Armed Forces that covers the Philippines.



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« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2008, 04:11:16 AM »
George W has single-handedly sent this country down the crapper. Let's hope getting him out of office and the election of a new leader will help revitalize the economy, and create a more positive atmosphere.



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« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2008, 04:21:36 AM »
George W has single-handedly sent this country down the crapper. Let's hope getting him out of office and the election of a new leader will help revitalize the economy, and create a more positive atmosphere.



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