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« on: March 04, 2008, 10:58:17 PM »
This is the day Hillary haters have dreamed of:  Hillary on the ropes.  The thought of her desperately trying to come from behind — to the point of embarrassing herself — is almost orgasmic to her foes.

Of course, with their Darth Vader tools well in hand, the Clintons might yet pull out another four years of life on the dole in the White House.  But their worst nightmare — a half-white, half-black populist — is standing in the way.  And it’s not likely that Obama will end up dead in a Virginia park like Clinton’s Deputy White House Counsel Vince Foster.  A mysterious “suicide” would not play well with his adoring fans.

So, regardless of what happens in Ohio, there’s an excellent chance that Hillary may go down in a blaze of humiliation.  Ironically, though, her detractors may live to regret it.  It’s not that she’s incapable of causing Americans enormous pain.  She is.  But, as I’ve repeatedly said, I believe that Hillary, like hubby Bill before her, is primarily interested in just enjoying the titillation that comes with raw power.

Sure, if elected, she would try to up the ante on the entitlement programs that already have the country on its financial knees.  But, like her husband, she would forget about pushing through socialist legislation and move toward the center once the backlash became intense.  Why?  Because moving to the center is the easiest way to appease people, and thus the easiest way to hang onto power. 

Which brings us to Hillary’s opponent, a young man with an admittedly smooth delivery, though a Zig Ziglar he is not.  However, it’s what Obama says that concerns me. 

I’m not talking about the hollow stuff he spews out when he’s on his game:  “We need something new!” … “We need to go in a new direction!” … “You and I together will go forward to change the country and change the world!” … “Yes, we can!” … “A new America!” 

Of and by itself, there’s nothing extraordinary about such populist blather.  It’s been around since at least the time of Julius Caesar and Clodius, both of whom shamelessly sought the affection of the lower classes to bolster their political constituencies.  In fact, I think Obama does just fine when he doesn’t really say anything.

But when he occasionally slips and says something specific about what he intends to do when he gets those reins of power in his hands, it’s worth paying attention to.  Take, for example, “I believe health care is a right, not a privilege.”  As soon as he made that statement, I no longer saw him as an innocuous babbler. 

Now, this might surprise you, but I don’t think Obama is preaching the age-old class warfare line because he wants to harm anyone.  He’s not a Che Guevara or Vladimir Lenin by any means.  I believe Obama is sincere — sincerely naïve, that is.  Which is what makes him so dangerous. 

As soon as someone starts manufacturing rights for people, I pay attention, because it means he wants to play God.  It’s the old desires-to-needs-to rights game, and it’s played like this:  If I have a desire for a new car, that’s my business.  But if, through some Orwellian brain malfunction, I proclaim my desire to be a “need,” that’s when it starts threatening to become your business. 

Now all I have to do is convince enough populist politicians that my newfound “need” is a “right,” and I’m on my way to getting it — without having to earn it.  Of course, the fact that I refer to my desire as either a “need” or a “right” is pure poppycock.  I may just as well call it a wart.

No matter what word I assign to it, it doesn’t give me license to force you to help me acquire it just because I happen to want it.  Whether it’s a car, a house, a “minimum wage,” education for my children, or “health care,” the principle remains the same:  It’s okay for me to desire any or all of these things, but I don’t have a right to them.  More specifically, I don’t have the right to force you (through government coercion or any other means) to give them to me.

Sorry, but here’s the unvarnished truth:  The only rights you have are the natural rights you inherited at birth — specifically, the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  All other rights are but a figment of certain people’s imaginations.  And the only way to enforce those artificial rights is by violating the rights of others. 

Again, I don’t believe that Obama is out to do evil.  But sincerely ignorant people have been known to lead revolutions.  If Obama becomes president, I strongly suspect he will believe he has been anointed to award “rights” to those he deems worthy — at your expense.

And to the extent he can put his sincere beliefs into action (which would be very possible with a sympathetic Congress), the invisible depression we have long experienced will become visible much more quickly.  That’s because the power to create all that mischief can be made possible only by dramatically increasing the supply of paper and electronic dollars.

Which means most people will be in pain as a result of a rapid decrease in their buying power.  And when people are in pain, morals and rational thinking tend to become disposable commodities. 

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« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2008, 01:18:21 AM »
Its a tough race, both of them are neck-to-neck in Texas.

Who will it be? It is up to the people to decide, and this is what makes the American Democracy a success. Each vote, makes a difference in the preliminaries, primaries and the Presidential run. Is the American people ready for a minority president? A woman president or does America want to stay with the old hardcore policies of the aged generation?

Let the people decide.

Old Roman sayings illustrate the discourse of the nigh,
"Salus populi suprema est lex! Cui bono?"

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« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2008, 01:24:38 AM »
Dong, I think Obama is gonna win in Texas but that's just my biased opinion since I prefer Obama over Clinton.  You are right thought; it's been a tough race for these two Democrats.  Whoever wins, he/she is gonna be the "first" in the history - of first Black American in the case of Obama and first woman president in the case of Clinton.

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« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2008, 01:43:14 AM »
I share with you on that, Ate Ging.

America is ready for a president that represents the masses.
America is no longer a protestant bible belt nation, nor is it a purely white nation.

America is a nation of multi-ethnicities, multi-cultures, multi-religions. The demographics of this nation, this Federal Republic, ushers, nay, it declares it so! Almost 30% of this nation is minority, or biracial. And growing. Estimates show that by 2060, these United States will no longer be a traditionally 'white' nation.  But a nation of worldly origin. Over half of the population of the United States will be minority, with a 'new' brand of ideas, and goals for our Republic.

The days of Imperialist policies, where the Eagle unleashed its claws wherever she flew to, is coming to a  close. The Mighty Eagle cannot open her wings of war all the time, and we have learned from that, in this conflict in Iraq. America is not 'All Invincible' as what many of our compatriots believe, our wars are expensive, and it costs us Billions of Dollars to fund a war machine. As we fight a war abroad, thousands of our soldiers are killed and maimed, however, because of such extrapolaritic policies, most of our attention is focused abroad. By this, we alienate our domestic poor, our children, our elderly.

This Bush Administration has totally forgotten about the 40 MILLION Americans that live without health insurance, most of whom are children and elderly. The rising poor, the homeless, the environmental policies. While the world surges ahead on progressive ideals. Our administration would rather spend billions of dollars to fund an unecessary war, that PROFITS only the rich who are involved in the war industry. The average American, the tax paying American and the Youth of America bear the burden of this war. It has always been the common theme for this nation.

The point is, we should not send our boys and girls off to war at mere discretion for the purposes of flexing our muscle. There is no need for that. Yes, the world saw how Iraq buckled in 2 weeks, Yes the world saw the raw force of the American Armed Forces, our navy, our air force, our army. However, controlling a nation by force is not the answer. We learned from this before, 100 years earlier. In the Philippines. Where the Untied States utilized 'Indian Hunting' tactics on Filipinos. Millions of Filipinos died in that conflict, and learned that using force was not winning the American cause for the Filipino masses.
On the contrary, it only increased intensities and regional wars.

America won the Philippine War due to humanitarian aid AND wiping out the entire Rebellion.

She should learn from this, and instead of bombing civilian centers, build more schools, provide aid, secure the borders in Iraq to prevent extremists from Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc from coming in the country.

The Obama/Clinton side addresses these issues. They show case a more diplomatic mission that will win over support to the American caucus from World Powers.

They will right the wrong the Bush Administration procured for us.
Let us hope and pray, that Providence blesses this Great Nation with a stern, compassionate and able leader. One that examplifies what it means to be an American. And not some war mongering Imperialist Dog.

American MUST learn from the mistakes of Rome.
If we WISH to survive. Rome Fell due to her CONSTANT wars.
Rome ALIENATED the world. Where do WE stand on this?


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Re: last round....barako vs. hilarya
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2008, 02:46:14 AM »
there is a rumor na muslim daw na si obama

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« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2008, 02:50:11 AM »
And a rumor it is. Barak Obama is a Christian.

False rumors like this are nothing more than bipartisan dirty politics to deface the man's name.
Please don't engage in rumors. It is how lies are started.

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« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2008, 02:58:53 AM »
kay si obama was raised in indonesia, the largest muslim country...he denied himself being a muslim for political reasons...kabalo man ta tanan dire na powerful kaayo ang mga jews sa USA and jews are the arch enemies of the muslims

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« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2008, 03:01:51 AM »
It has nothing to do with that at all.

Barak Obama has been part of the same Baptist Church for 20 years.

Obama has himself denied being a Muslim, time and time again.
"Let's make clear what the facts are: I am a Christian. I have been sworn in with a Bible. I pledge allegiance [to the American flag] and lead the pledge of allegiance sometimes in the United States Senate when I'm presiding."

Mr Obama is a member of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ and is an actively practising Christian. But opponents, particularly on the Republican side, delight in reminding people that his middle name is Hussein, taken from his father, a Harvard educated economist who left the family when Mr Obama was two.

Read more about it:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article3194740.ece


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« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2008, 03:03:30 AM »
hes a semi black man...semi apro

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« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2008, 03:07:44 AM »
And I'm a Filipino. A brown man.

Color has nothing to do with politics, nor does it have anything to do with the dictation of politics and the health of our American Nation.

It is only a concern for racists that refuse to rise up from their ignorance. per se segregationists, neo-nazis. But those are right wing fringists. They do not represent the continuum of America.

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« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2008, 03:11:23 AM »
is america ready for a black or a woman president?

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« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2008, 03:13:12 AM »
bisag kinsa pa nila no problem as long as kaya nila ipasaka ang value sa US dollar!

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« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2008, 03:15:13 AM »
Of course America is. We're living in the 21st century, where women make up a large percentage of the work force, where minorities are fully integrated. Being 'American' is not reserved for those who are white-caucasian. American citizenship and Americanism transcends that. To be American is to believe in the ideals of this nation, in our constitution and fighting for it. One doesn't need to be white to acclimate to it.

Obama and Clinton have gained massive supporters, in the millions, carrying many states. If America wasn't ready for a woman and a minority, then support would have gone to the Republican caucus.

In my opinion, it is long overdue in having a minority or woman president.



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« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2008, 03:23:35 AM »
kanus-a pa kaha mosaka pagbalik ang dollar...i really miss the 1$ = P55 conversion

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« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2008, 03:28:10 AM »
 The best scenario is Hillary and Obama in one ticket. 

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« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2008, 03:31:35 AM »
The dollar will bounce up as soon as the economy stabilizes itself. Fluctuations are regular and part of economic trends, rise, fall, then rise again. The cause of the Dollar's purchasing power decrease is due to the housing troubles this last fiscal quarter, and the non-stop spending in the Iraq War. America spends 5 billion dollars a day to fight this war (this is more than the defense spending of many countries; what the American military spends in a day, nations spend in a year).

Any nation that would have been in our situation would have felt the same situation. It is only due to America's 13+ Trillion Dollar Economy that we are able to carry this load as well as keep on domestic policies. Once this war is ended and military spending normalizes, we will see a balancing out of this economic trend.

How can the American Economy remain poor? We have over 300 Million citizens, with each paying taxes. With that, theoretically, with the average American making $45,000, the country generates an economy of 13, 500,000,000,000.00 (13.5 Trillion Dollars) a year.

So long as there are jobs, there is money. So long as the population increases, there will be more taxes paid. Money is of no concern for this country, there is always money. The concern is the way political administrations SPEND that money. There must be laws followed, and checks and balances to control the power of an executive. We must remind ourselves that this is a Republic. Not a Dictatorship.

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Re: last round....barako vs. hilarya
« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2008, 03:50:42 AM »
kanus-a pa kaha mosaka pagbalik ang dollar...i really miss the 1$ = P55 conversion




I think it has nothing to do with America...

Dollar is always a Dollar...

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« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2008, 03:52:55 AM »
Whoever will win, atong tabangan, (as much as, if we could) afterall they always remain friends after election.

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« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2008, 02:11:29 AM »
That means the fight is still on!

Republican has its Presidential Candidate now since Huckabee dropped the race lastnight after losing big time but he surrendered graciously. :D

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« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2008, 02:21:12 AM »
Whoever wins the Democratic nomination, the one who looses must endorse the winner. They're going to need each other's combined help if they wish to take the Presidency this coming 2008 elections.



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« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2008, 03:33:24 AM »
kanus-a pa kaha mosaka pagbalik ang dollar...i really miss the 1$ = P55 conversion




I think it has nothing to do with America...

Dollar is always a Dollar...

Dollar is always a Dollar...but nowadays, its value is deteriorating and its affecting us the OFW's

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« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2008, 03:35:49 AM »
pero dong kon moabot ang baylo sa tag P50.00 to $1.00 luoy pod tong katawhan sa ato nga walay mga pamilya nga naa sa gawas nagtrabaho dili laba dali mosaka ang sueldo nila didto.

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« Reply #25 on: March 06, 2008, 03:40:16 AM »
pero dong kon moabot ang baylo sa tag P50.00 to $1.00 luoy pod tong katawhan sa ato nga walay mga pamilya nga naa sa gawas nagtrabaho dili laba dali mosaka ang sueldo nila didto.
di man apektado sila kay naanad naman sila. mosaka or motaas ang dollar di man nila ma differentiate ang sitwasyon kay wa man sila nagsalig sa mga abroad. gawas pa...mosaka man or motaas ang dollar isa ra man ang epekto...motaas gihapon ang presyo sa mga prime commodities sa atoa

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« Reply #26 on: March 06, 2008, 03:41:31 AM »
kanus-a pa kaha mosaka pagbalik ang dollar...i really miss the 1$ = P55 conversion




I think it has nothing to do with America...

Dollar is always a Dollar...

Dollar is always a Dollar...but nowadays, its value is deteriorating and its affecting us the OFW's

It's actually how our economy in the Philippines is doing that is affecting the OFWs. Ideally, when the peso equivalent to the USD is like this, it is good because it shows strength to our economy. The Finance department would even allegedly sugarcoat bottom lines to be able to have a strong peso value. The only thing is that, our government should be able to counter this financial change to OFWs. For example, the commodities should also lower.  The problem is that, there's none. that's why we feel the pain.   

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« Reply #27 on: March 06, 2008, 03:43:10 AM »
wala man masunod ang laws of economics sa atoa...

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Re: last round....barako vs. hilarya
« Reply #28 on: March 06, 2008, 03:43:48 AM »
pero dong kon moabot ang baylo sa tag P50.00 to $1.00 luoy pod tong katawhan sa ato nga walay mga pamilya nga naa sa gawas nagtrabaho dili laba dali mosaka ang sueldo nila didto.

Bitaw, you're right, Mr. Lindy.

Ku an na, its time for the OFWs to demand pay increases.

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Re: last round....barako vs. hilarya
« Reply #29 on: March 06, 2008, 03:44:57 AM »
its time for the OFW's to go back to philippines and work in a call centers mas dako pag income

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Re: last round....barako vs. hilarya
« Reply #30 on: March 06, 2008, 03:45:41 AM »
How much do they make in the call centers diay?

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Re: last round....barako vs. hilarya
« Reply #31 on: March 06, 2008, 03:45:59 AM »
wala man masunod ang laws of economics sa atoa...

You mean the law of supply and demand?

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Re: last round....barako vs. hilarya
« Reply #32 on: March 06, 2008, 03:49:08 AM »
How much do they make in the call centers diay?

mas dako pa sa mga ordinary OFW's

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Re: last round....barako vs. hilarya
« Reply #33 on: March 06, 2008, 04:16:02 AM »
How much do they make in the call centers diay?

mas dako pa sa mga ordinary OFW's

tinuod ba god ni dong kay pag umangkon sa ako mrs. niuli man ug tus sa call centers sa manila na nag work

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Re: last round....barako vs. hilarya
« Reply #34 on: March 06, 2008, 04:17:33 AM »
How much do they make in the call centers diay?

mas dako pa sa mga ordinary OFW's

tinuod ba god ni dong kay pag umangkon sa ako mrs. niuli man ug tus sa call centers sa manila na nag work
tinood jud na sir...daghan na kog mga classmate sa una na nag offer nako ug work sa call center pero wla ko kay nagpataas ko sa akong pride

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Re: last round....barako vs. hilarya
« Reply #35 on: March 06, 2008, 04:20:11 AM »
Interesting. So booming na diay na ang call center work sa Pinas? Pariho na diay ta sa India?

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« Reply #36 on: March 06, 2008, 04:21:26 AM »
How much do they make in the call centers diay?

mas dako pa sa mga ordinary OFW's

tinuod ba god ni dong kay pag umangkon sa ako mrs. niuli man ug tus sa call centers sa manila na nag work
tinood jud na sir...daghan na kog mga classmate sa una na nag offer nako ug work sa call center pero wla ko kay nagpataas ko sa akong pride

Pero engineers make good money man dinha sa Saudi diba?

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Re: last round....barako vs. hilarya
« Reply #37 on: March 06, 2008, 04:23:16 AM »
How much do they make in the call centers diay?

mas dako pa sa mga ordinary OFW's

tinuod ba god ni dong kay pag umangkon sa ako mrs. niuli man ug tus sa call centers sa manila na nag work
tinood jud na sir...daghan na kog mga classmate sa una na nag offer nako ug work sa call center pero wla ko kay nagpataas ko sa akong pride

Pero engineers make good money man dinha sa Saudi diba?
sa una cguro pero karon di na tungod anang saudization...then grabe sad ang competition sa pinoy sa indians and pakistanis

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Re: last round....barako vs. hilarya
« Reply #38 on: March 06, 2008, 04:28:15 AM »
in the late 70's and early 80's ordinary workers basic salary was $550.00 US pataas plus overtime free board and lodging and transportation to go work and round trip ticket for Philippines w/ a contract of 2 yrs.

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Re: last round....barako vs. hilarya
« Reply #39 on: March 06, 2008, 04:34:06 AM »
Ingoon ahong Dad ang salary sa Supervisor Civil Engineer was around $1,500-$2000 a month. Ug mo overtime, ma taas man kono. I don't think it changed karoon kai I have uncles who still work in UAE, na daku man ang income sa engineers didto ingoon sila.

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