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Re: Global warming or global cooling?
« Reply #40 on: February 27, 2008, 04:37:07 PM »
Yes, thats what counts the most jud no, 'te?
It resounds the quote that Mahatma Gandhi phrased, "We are the change we want to see in the world."
It starts with us, responsibility is key.

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Re: Global warming or global cooling?
« Reply #41 on: February 27, 2008, 09:01:29 PM »
Yes, thats what counts the most jud no, 'te?
It resounds the quote that Mahatma Gandhi phrased, "We are the change we want to see in the world."
It starts with us, responsibility is key.

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I agree with you Lorenzo. However, people who may be or may not be aware of the global warming situation are not making any move to counter it. They just sit about and look at the earth eventually going down to pieces. We can only count the people who actually do something about the situation and that is not enough. The Earth maybe small they say, but it is too big for only a handful of concerned and proactive people. I bet, if all six billion plus people in the world had the same level, or at least have some level of concern and action, then the Earth would be a little better. But sadly that is not the case.

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Re: Global warming or global cooling?
« Reply #42 on: February 28, 2008, 12:54:36 AM »
Eventually we (the earth) will vanish, nothing really lasts forever...

thats the rule...

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Re: Global warming or global cooling?
« Reply #43 on: February 28, 2008, 01:43:30 AM »
Yes, thats what counts the most jud no, 'te?
It resounds the quote that Mahatma Gandhi phrased, "We are the change we want to see in the world."
It starts with us, responsibility is key.

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I agree with you Lorenzo. However, people who may be or may not be aware of the global warming situation are not making any move to counter it. They just sit about and look at the earth eventually going down to pieces. We can only count the people who actually do something about the situation and that is not enough. The Earth maybe small they say, but it is too big for only a handful of concerned and proactive people. I bet, if all six billion plus people in the world had the same level, or at least have some level of concern and action, then the Earth would be a little better. But sadly that is not the case.

I share in your concern about the glooming situation, Reign Beau, that is why it is crucial that there is a clamor and research activity in the scientific/academic world. The more publications, the more tests, the more interaction researchers have with lobbyists in government, the more we can get this across. I applaud the works of Al Gore because it placed the Global Warming situation in the front burner, where it was heard by the mass media, by the people. For years, industrialists and capitalist interest groups have countered the talks of Global Warming. It is good that such discourse is occurring, and together, with researchers, and the public can make proper decisions to solve this crisis.

We must remain hopeful, kai it is not productive to be always pessimistic. I have faith in the human species, I pray History proves this so.

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Re: Global warming or global cooling?
« Reply #44 on: February 28, 2008, 02:35:35 AM »
I totally agree that we all need to think about the natural resources that we use.  In my personal life I try to recycle as much as I can.  My argument ( and yes I live in the US) is that yes the US can do a lot of things to reduce its overall use of natural resources.  But to try and make the US to be Denmark, it just is not gonna happen!  That goes for India, China and the Russia too!  The population of and size of Denmark is smaller than probably those of at least 50 individual cities in the US (I do not know that for a fact, but I do not I am that far oof-- sorry Denmark).  Lets look at some human related issues.  When there is a tsunami in Asia, earthquake in South America, AIDs in Africa, how much does Denmark send to help compared to the US?  If we are all going to be like Denmark, maybe when there is a Tsunami disaster in Asia, we should all send them a windmill or two.

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The United States can start this change by implementing changes that can help in alleviating the problem of status quo. Within the Northwestern Region of the United States as well as in the coastal zones of California, Washington and parts of the Eastern coasts of the United States, there is a rich potential in placing wind turbines, for example there have been construction of wind turbines in Atlantic City, New Jersey, as well as parts of Northwestern Pennsylvania, (which powers 30% of my college, Allegheny College). The United States, with its given geographical location and proximity of the wind current, can adequately generate power through wind turbines, which would decrease our dependence on non-renewable natural resources such as natural gas. If we provide say 40 billion megawatts of energy through wind turbines that would be used for commercial and industrial use, then that would mean an inverse reduction of 40 billion megawatts of energy that would have been taken from natural gas. Considering the massive energy consumption rates of the United States, every change that can alleviate this dependence is good. Considering that most of the natural resources that the United States acquires are foreign based, an introduction of home-grown energy fuel would be a positive implementation to the local economy and reduce the dependency of this nation, to a degree, from foreign powers' resources. The case study of Denmark shows that the country was able to generate over 3,129 MW capacitors, which provide 1/5th of all the energy in the country. Another country that is making positive implementations to reduce their dependence on non-renewable resource is Germany. Germany is the leading producer of wind power, with 28% of the total world capacity in 2006 and a total output of 38.5 TWh in 2007 (6.3% of German electricity); the official target is for renewable energy to meet 12.5% of German electricity needs by 2010 — this target may be reached ahead of schedule. Germany has 18,600 wind turbines, mostly in the north of the country — including three of the biggest in the world. In 2005, the government of Spain approved a new national goal for installed wind power capacity of 20,000 MW in 2010. With installation of 3515 MW in 2007 (for a total figure of 15,145 MW), this target will probably be reached ahead of schedule. A significant acceleration of the bureaucratic proceedings and connections to grid, and the legislative change occurred during 2007 (with Royal Decree 661/2007), have accelerated the developing of many wind parks, so that they could still run under the previous more favourable conditions.

Even the United States itself is also invigorating its own wind-turbine industry; U.S. wind power capacity grew by 45% to 16.8 gigawatts in 2007. The average output of one megawatt of wind power is equivalent to the average electricity consumption of about 250 American households. According to the American Wind Energy Association, wind will generate enough electricity in 2008 to power just over 1% (4.5 million households) of total electricity in U.S., up from less than 0.1% in 1999. U.S. Department of Energy studies have concluded wind harvested in just three of the fifty U.S. states could provide enough electricity to power the entire nation, and that offshore wind farms could do the same job. There has indeed been positive changes, and I applaud this changing shift towards wind energy, however we need more. This country has the capacity, to generate 30 fold more energy than what it does now. There is always room for modification, :) Contrary to your opinion, the United States is moving towards a greater emphasis on renewable resources.

That goes for India, China and the Russia too!

Actually, that is not true. The Indian and Chinese governments are large proponents of wind energy resources. It is pivotal for these nations, as China and India are modernizing and industrializing in double digit numbers, energy is key to maintain their march to modernization. These nations spend billions of dollars to maintain importation of natural gas, petroleum, however, recently their governments have seen the positive gains in investing in wind power.
Doing so will not only decrease foreign dependence on resources, but will also tap into the local resource and provide jobs. Remember, Denmark alone employs over 20,000 of its citizens to run its turbine-industry. Imagine the benefits if large nations such as CHina, India and the United States taps into this in larger volume.

India ranks 4th in the world with a total wind power capacity of 6,270 MW in 2006, or 3% of all electricity produced in India. The World Wind Energy Conference in New Delhi in November 2006 has given additional impetus to the Indian wind industry.The windfarm near Muppandal, Tamil Nadu, India, provides an impoverished village with energy. India-based Suzlon Energy is one of the world's largest wind turbine manufacturers.
Heres a link: http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/partner/story?id=45465

As for China, in 2005, China announced it would build a 1000-megawatt wind farm in Hebei for completion in 2020. China reportedly has set a generating target of 20,000 MW by 2020 from renewable energy sources — it says indigenous wind power could generate up to 253,000 MW. Following the World Wind Energy Conference in November 2004, organised by the Chinese and the World Wind Energy Association, a Chinese renewable energy law was adopted. In late 2005, the Chinese government increased the official wind energy target for the year 2020 from 20 GW to 30 GW.
Heres a link: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6V2W-4NC5T5N-1&_user=642064&_coverDate=03%2F28%2F2007&_rdoc=7&_fmt=summary&_orig=browse&_srch=doc-info(%23toc%235713%239999%23999999999%2399999%23FLA%23display%23Articles)&_cdi=5713&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_ct=83&_acct=C000034558&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=642064&md5=ea3806a5e05a7c0146a34eb06e8aa142

When there is a tsunami in Asia, earthquake in South America, AIDs in Africa, how much does Denmark send to help compared to the US?  If we are all going to be like Denmark, maybe when there is a Tsunami disaster in Asia, we should all send them a windmill or two.

This is besides the point. We are discussing wind turbine energy to reduce dependency, not humanitarian aid. These mechanisms you mentioned has nothing to do in reducing green house gases nor reducing dependency on non-renewable resources. This is material for a totally different topic and is outside the sphere of the subject matter.

The population of and size of Denmark is smaller than probably those of at least 50 individual cities in the US

And your point is?

Denmark, a nation of 5.4 million people can successfully install 3,100+ MW capacity. Around 90% of the national output is exported, and Danish companies accounted for 38% of the world turbine market in 2003, when the industry employed some 20,000 people and had a turnover of around 3 billion euro. That is a giant progressive leap and success for such a small nation. The success of Denmark's industry has been so manifested that their government has adopted  a target of cutting carbon emissions by 22% from 1988 levels by 2005. Impeccable!

If a small nation such as Denmark can do this, a Giant like the United States with a massive economic budget and man power, can easily do its part, per se not as large as Denmark, but nonetheless increase standard operational limits.


Why Should the United States invest in non-renewable energy?
 


A: Economical, strategic, environmentally friendly

Just some realities we all need to digest:
(taken from: http://wilcoxen.cp.maxwell.syr.edu/pages/804.html)







Growth Rates

Between 1973 and 2002, total energy consumption grew at an average annual rate of 0.9%. Growth was slow during the first half of the period and has been more rapid recently: the annual average growth between 1987 and 2002 was 1.4%. Average annual rates of growth by end use are shown below for the two periods.

End Use    1973-2002    1987-2002
Residential    1.2%    1.7%
Commercial    2.1%    2.5%
Industrial    0.0%    0.7%
Transportation    1.2%    1.4%


Prices Matter

An important lesson from history is that energy prices matter a lot. Before 1973, US energy consumption appeared to be growing exponentially at a rate of 3.2% per year. An exponential growth curve fit the data superbly well: in statistical terms, the R2 was 0.976 and the standard error of the estimated growth rate was 0.1%. Together those statistics imply that energy growth should have been between 3% and 3.4% for many years to come. However, that turned out to be very, very wrong. The graph below compares the exponential forecast (based on data from 1947-1973) with what actually happened. The exponential model predicted 88 quads more energy consumption in 2003 than there actually was, an error of 89% (186 quads predicted vs. 98 quads of actual consumption).



Dependency Trends:


US energy consumption, by source, 1850-2000. Vertical axis is in quadrillion BTU


U.S. Energy Flow - 2002. Note that the breakdown of useful and waste energy in each sector (yellow vs. grey) is estimated arbitrarily and is not based on data.

The breakdown of energy consumption by source is given here:

Fuel type    2004 US consumption in TW   2004 World consumption in TW
Oil    1.34    5.6
Gas    0.77    3.5
Coal    0.77    3.8
Hydroelectric    0.09    0.9
Nuclear    0.27    0.9
Geothermal, wind,
solar, wood    0.11    0.13
Total    3.35    15


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« Reply #45 on: February 28, 2008, 02:59:07 AM »
Earth Is Doomed! - Earth will be swallowed by the Sun in 7.6 billion years
By: Gabriel Gache, Science News Editor - Softpedia


Artistic impression of a sunset on a unrecognizable Earth, an ocean of molten rock

Forget about global warming, the ice ages, asteroids or any other impending disaster waiting to happen. Earth will burn! Literally! Astronomers approximate the age of the Sun to a rough 5 billion years and is mostly believed that it will continue to burn hydrogen at least as much time before becoming too unstable to maintain its current form. Our planet, on the other hand, will probably be swallowed by the Sun in 7.6 billion years, rendering it out of existence.

It may seem like an extremely long time before these events will take place, but the fact is that it's not, considering that probabilistic calculations suggest that the human race will go extinct in less than a billion years, along with all the life forms currently living on the surface of our planet. Meanwhile, planetary astronomers are still trying to figure out whether the Earth will drift far enough from the Sun so that it will escape final destruction or not.

A new model proposed by astronomer Robert Smith from Britain's University of Sussex, assisted by Klaus-Peter Schroeder from the University of Guanajuato, Mexico, point out that, in about a billion years, our planet will no longer have an atmosphere, water and the friendly to life temperatures we have today. As the Sun advances into its life, it will become ever hotter, due to the extreme temperatures required to burn elements heavier than hydrogen.

There may be more than 150 million kilometers between the Sun and the Earth, however these changes have direct effect upon the weather of our planet. The Earth will become dryer, hotter, impossible to live on. And like that wouldn't have been enough, a secondary effect related to the Sun's aging will then take place. After losing control over the gravitational and nuclear reaction forces that kept it stable for most of its life, the Sun will finally expand into a red giant which will most likely engulf the inner planets.

Let's say that we've evolved far enough to move to another body in the solar system or to another star, why not, we may escape the havoc, however the Earth will not. Or will it? Planetary astronomers are not sure yet, but there is a chance that at least Earth and its sister planet, Mars could drift far enough not to be swallowed by the expanding Sun. During the final stages of the Sun's life, it will start to eject matter from the upper layers, in an effort to maintain stability. Less mass, means less gravity, thus the distance between our star and the planet could drastically increase.

One problem though. This model does not take into account the tidal forces that will act on our planet in the future. Tidal forces caused by gravitational pull between the two massive bodies, could actually slow the orbital speed of the Earth so severely, that our planet, instead of drifting away from the Sun, would spiral towards the inner regions of the solar system and fall into the Sun.

Scientists are already thinking solutions. Assuming that there still is intelligent life on Earth by that time, Earth could be pushed towards the outer regions of the solar system with the help of a gravitational key hole provided by the passing of a large asteroid through the vicinity of our planet. No, it is not the scenario of a science fiction movie, this is pure science. We, as an intelligent life form, will probably live long enough to view the end of our solar system, if we play it safe, the fact is that the chances are stacked against us. 99 percent of all the life forms that lived on the surface of the Earth, no longer exist!


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Re: Global warming or global cooling?
« Reply #46 on: February 28, 2008, 03:03:33 AM »
Man's rule on earth would already have been gone by then.

Man has been around no more than 800,000 years.

I doubt we will survive in a billion years.


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« Reply #47 on: February 28, 2008, 03:05:55 AM »
By then, humans might have moved on to another planet capable of sustaining life!

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« Reply #48 on: February 28, 2008, 03:07:02 AM »
One can only hope.

Imagine the evolutionary changes in phenotype.



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« Reply #49 on: February 28, 2008, 03:09:28 AM »
humans are always been the survivors among all the species

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« Reply #50 on: February 28, 2008, 03:13:08 AM »
I agree. Mankind can influence and change nature. No other organism in the continuum of animals can do that. Or predict weather, make genetic changes.

Because we were made in HIS image. We can create, just as the Creator.

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Re: Global warming or global cooling?
« Reply #51 on: February 28, 2008, 03:22:27 AM »
By then, humans might have moved on to another planet capable of sustaining life!








Ahaa! that sometimes has come to my deducibility of the first human being on earth came from the other "ILL" planet...

where their scientist had to find another planet to sustain and start a new generation...

(and dont you know there are plans going on now?)

whew! it is getting in there! the beginning of humankind!

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« Reply #52 on: February 28, 2008, 03:30:10 AM »
Oh i wish i would be able to see such technology in the future.

Human colonization of other worlds. A Human Galactic Empire.

Sounds so Star Trekky, but I like it!



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« Reply #53 on: February 28, 2008, 03:35:18 AM »
I'll go to planet Krypton with khalel and kara zor-el.

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« Reply #54 on: February 28, 2008, 03:36:52 AM »
Hmm, if i lived in such an age, I would have enlisted in the Imperial Navy. An officer of a frigate or cruiser.
Spreading the Imperial control of the Human Galactic Empire.

Keeping the civilians in check ;)

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Re: Global warming or global cooling?
« Reply #55 on: February 28, 2008, 04:01:58 AM »
Oh i wish i would be able to see such technology in the future.

Human colonization of other worlds. A Human Galactic Empire.

Sounds so Star Trekky, but I like it!









Di ba Dodong?

where do you think our Cellphones designed from?

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Re: Global warming or global cooling?
« Reply #56 on: February 28, 2008, 04:09:19 AM »
upon reading all through the replies, oi oi ohh is gettin hot here, oh my golly
guess i need an electric fan? ;D

blah blah blah,we can argue till next century,but fact is.., our mother Earth
is not that way,like before our forefathers lived ;)


"je  more genius man gettin unto,  desto terrible the changes goin  through"



http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Global_Warming_Swindle

I have read tons of "climate crisis" material, and some facts mentioned in this movie are thought-provoking, such as: - how much percentage of CO2 are humans actually emitting, versus volcanic activity and other forms of life (plants, plancton etc)? - what is the correlation between temperature and solar activity?

Yet the documentary is in denial about irrefutable facts: the average world temperature IS rising rapidly, humans are altering in a dramatic way the planet, ice caps are rapidly melting, more humidity in the atmosphere creates even more global warming, deforestation adds more to the disaster etc and most of these factors show a positive loop effect! It's a fact that some ecologist groups are a lobby, that Africa would surely benefit from industrialization, but that should not stop us from a scientific investigation of facts. CO2 contributes from 10 to 25% of greenhouse effect, and CO2 has increased 30% in the last century. The major contributor to greenhouse if water vapor, which is also increasing because of higher temperatures. This spells hard times for humanity. Denial won't help. Saying "we should not do anything until we have a mathematic evidence" is like saying "we should wait until the patient dies before we do a serious investigation about his problem".

A blatant lie is told about polar bears adapting to climate change: population of polar bears has already diminished by 30% in the last few years; 25% of Arctic ice has already melted, how can they adapt to a rapidly dwindling territory.


http://www.schulphysik.de/klima.html

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Global_Warming_Swindle

http://www.keepbanderabeautiful.org/keepearthbeautiful.html?gclid=COyz48iS5ZECFQVUZwodUUNbWw

we must be realistic, rational enough and try to rescue our mother Earth
for our life today and for the generation ahead- amen


next centenial i'll might be living in März(planet) oh but how?-joky ::) ;D

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Re: Global warming or global cooling?
« Reply #57 on: February 28, 2008, 04:13:54 AM »
Blue, dili na ta mosakay ug plane, sulod ra ta sa vault (like the movie The FLY)

dayun i transfer ra ta dayun ug asa man ta gusto...

mora ba ug fax, pero unshalan ug i sulod ta sa dakong FAX machine?

aguy maipit ko!

wahahahhahahha

Good post Blue darling...

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Re: Global warming or global cooling?
« Reply #58 on: February 28, 2008, 04:21:49 AM »
Binskie, u mean "beam" beaming? hehehehe

kana bitaw mora ta matunaw kono into molecules unya
we command- send me to Jupiter, then in a wink of an eye
tua nata? bhahahaha dat would be great dear!

dali we start beaming now whehehe


(motan-aw xa ko ako fav.TV series) guten nacht-good night ;)

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« Reply #59 on: February 28, 2008, 04:28:33 AM »
Di jud ko mahadlok anang global warming ug global cooling...Mas mahadlok pa ko sa mga pulitiko sa atoa! hehehehehehehheh

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« Reply #60 on: February 28, 2008, 05:11:41 AM »
upon reading all through the replies, oi oi ohh is gettin hot here, oh my golly
guess i need an electric fan? ;D

blah blah blah,we can argue till next century,but fact is.., our mother Earth
is not that way,like before our forefathers lived ;)


"je  more genius man gettin unto,  desto terrible the changes goin  through"



http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Global_Warming_Swindle

I have read tons of "climate crisis" material, and some facts mentioned in this movie are thought-provoking, such as: - how much percentage of CO2 are humans actually emitting, versus volcanic activity and other forms of life (plants, plancton etc)? - what is the correlation between temperature and solar activity?

Yet the documentary is in denial about irrefutable facts: the average world temperature IS rising rapidly, humans are altering in a dramatic way the planet, ice caps are rapidly melting, more humidity in the atmosphere creates even more global warming, deforestation adds more to the disaster etc and most of these factors show a positive loop effect! It's a fact that some ecologist groups are a lobby, that Africa would surely benefit from industrialization, but that should not stop us from a scientific investigation of facts. CO2 contributes from 10 to 25% of greenhouse effect, and CO2 has increased 30% in the last century. The major contributor to greenhouse if water vapor, which is also increasing because of higher temperatures. This spells hard times for humanity. Denial won't help. Saying "we should not do anything until we have a mathematic evidence" is like saying "we should wait until the patient dies before we do a serious investigation about his problem".

A blatant lie is told about polar bears adapting to climate change: population of polar bears has already diminished by 30% in the last few years; 25% of Arctic ice has already melted, how can they adapt to a rapidly dwindling territory.


http://www.schulphysik.de/klima.html

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Global_Warming_Swindle

http://www.keepbanderabeautiful.org/keepearthbeautiful.html?gclid=COyz48iS5ZECFQVUZwodUUNbWw

we must be realistic, rational enough and try to rescue our mother Earth
for our life today and for the generation ahead- amen


next centenial i'll might be living in März(planet) oh but how?-joky ::) ;D

Here here! Well said, mon ami.

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« Reply #61 on: February 28, 2008, 05:13:53 AM »
Binskie, u mean "beam" beaming? hehehehe

kana bitaw mora ta matunaw kono into molecules unya
we command- send me to Jupiter, then in a wink of an eye
tua nata? bhahahaha dat would be great dear!

dali we start beaming now whehehe


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« Reply #62 on: February 28, 2008, 02:54:11 PM »
Know Nothing, so what do you think about former VP Al Gore's documentary wherein he just won the Nobel Peace Price because of what he did.

Beth, did you see the documentary, the An Inconvenient Truth?

Yes I did Grace.
And I may say, it was pretty good presentation. He spent a lot of years gathering facts and datas before showing it the world. It's real and it's scary.
Some older people of today doesn't pay much attention about it because they don't care, why? they're pretty much dead, and who's alive? the children of today and that's what former vp Al Gore was talking and worried about that the children's future are in great danger. And who are they going to blame?
So for me, I think it's real and I'll just pray that i'm dead by then.

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« Reply #63 on: February 28, 2008, 11:28:41 PM »
Know Nothing, so what do you think about former VP Al Gore's documentary wherein he just won the Nobel Peace Price because of what he did.



Beth, did you see the documentary, the An Inconvenient Truth?

Yes I did Grace.
And I may say, it was pretty good presentation. He spent a lot of years gathering facts and datas before showing it the world. It's real and it's scary.
Some older people of today doesn't pay much attention about it because they don't care, why? they're pretty much dead, and who's alive? the children of today and that's what former vp Al Gore was talking and worried about that the children's future are in great danger. And who are they going to blame?
So for me, I think it's real and I'll just pray that i'm dead by then.

Beth, que sera sera, the future is not ourz to judge

rely everything sa kinaiyahan ug sa umaabot

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« Reply #64 on: February 29, 2008, 01:18:35 AM »
Know Nothing, so what do you think about former VP Al Gore's documentary wherein he just won the Nobel Peace Price because of what he did.



Beth, did you see the documentary, the An Inconvenient Truth?

Yes I did Grace.
And I may say, it was pretty good presentation. He spent a lot of years gathering facts and datas before showing it the world. It's real and it's scary.
Some older people of today doesn't pay much attention about it because they don't care, why? they're pretty much dead, and who's alive? the children of today and that's what former vp Al Gore was talking and worried about that the children's future are in great danger. And who are they going to blame?
So for me, I think it's real and I'll just pray that i'm dead by then.

Beth, que sera sera, the future is not ourz to judge

rely everything sa kinaiyahan ug sa umaabot

live life today and look for tomorrow !








Agree!



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« Reply #65 on: February 29, 2008, 02:24:12 AM »
Know Nothing, so what do you think about former VP Al Gore's documentary wherein he just won the Nobel Peace Price because of what he did.



Beth, did you see the documentary, the An Inconvenient Truth?

Yes I did Grace.
And I may say, it was pretty good presentation. He spent a lot of years gathering facts and datas before showing it the world. It's real and it's scary.
Some older people of today doesn't pay much attention about it because they don't care, why? they're pretty much dead, and who's alive? the children of today and that's what former vp Al Gore was talking and worried about that the children's future are in great danger. And who are they going to blame?
So for me, I think it's real and I'll just pray that i'm dead by then.

Beth, que sera sera, the future is not ourz to judge

rely everything sa kinaiyahan ug sa umaabot

live life today and look for tomorrow !


Ate, although the future is not ours to judge... everything we do today will shape the world tomorrow... So we might as well do something good for the Earth today... to have a better Earth tomorrow. :D

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« Reply #66 on: February 29, 2008, 02:31:53 AM »
Know Nothing, so what do you think about former VP Al Gore's documentary wherein he just won the Nobel Peace Price because of what he did.



Beth, did you see the documentary, the An Inconvenient Truth?

Yes I did Grace.
And I may say, it was pretty good presentation. He spent a lot of years gathering facts and datas before showing it the world. It's real and it's scary.
Some older people of today doesn't pay much attention about it because they don't care, why? they're pretty much dead, and who's alive? the children of today and that's what former vp Al Gore was talking and worried about that the children's future are in great danger. And who are they going to blame?
So for me, I think it's real and I'll just pray that i'm dead by then.

Beth, que sera sera, the future is not ourz to judge

rely everything sa kinaiyahan ug sa umaabot

live life today and look for tomorrow !


Ate, although the future is not ours to judge... everything we do today will shape the world tomorrow... So we might as well do something good for the Earth today... to have a better Earth tomorrow. :D

pls.read reply#56

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« Reply #67 on: February 29, 2008, 07:38:51 AM »
We may have differed in how we express our opinion on how our Mother Earth should be taken cared of but I am certain of one thing that we all agree and share the same desire to protect Mother Earth.  In our own little ways, (we can do more, I suppose) consciously or sub-consciously, we take care of her. We enjoy our life today because God blessed us a beautiful Mother Earth to live in. So then we continue to take care of Her, so the generations to come will have a chance to enjoy as well!

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« Reply #68 on: February 29, 2008, 02:02:07 PM »
I couldn't have said it any better.

'te Ging, mediator jud ka uy! Very tactical kaayo!

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« Reply #69 on: February 29, 2008, 02:44:11 PM »
I can see man gud Dong we all have different opinions about the subject matter and at times we become passionate is our desire to be heard but the bottom line is that we all really care about Mother Earth.  So I encourage that we all do the best we can to do our job of protecting the "home" where we are billeted by our dear God the Father.

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« Reply #70 on: March 01, 2008, 06:52:30 PM »
upon reading all through the replies, oi oi ohh is gettin hot here, oh my golly
guess i need an electric fan? ;D

blah blah blah,we can argue till next century,but fact is.., our mother Earth
is not that way,like before our forefathers lived ;)


"je  more genius man gettin unto,  desto terrible the changes goin  through"



http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Global_Warming_Swindle

I have read tons of "climate crisis" material, and some facts mentioned in this movie are thought-provoking, such as: - how much percentage of CO2 are humans actually emitting, versus volcanic activity and other forms of life (plants, plancton etc)? - what is the correlation between temperature and solar activity?

Yet the documentary is in denial about irrefutable facts: the average world temperature IS rising rapidly, humans are altering in a dramatic way the planet, ice caps are rapidly melting, more humidity in the atmosphere creates even more global warming, deforestation adds more to the disaster etc and most of these factors show a positive loop effect! It's a fact that some ecologist groups are a lobby, that Africa would surely benefit from industrialization, but that should not stop us from a scientific investigation of facts. CO2 contributes from 10 to 25% of greenhouse effect, and CO2 has increased 30% in the last century. The major contributor to greenhouse if water vapor, which is also increasing because of higher temperatures. This spells hard times for humanity. Denial won't help. Saying "we should not do anything until we have a mathematic evidence" is like saying "we should wait until the patient dies before we do a serious investigation about his problem".

A blatant lie is told about polar bears adapting to climate change: population of polar bears has already diminished by 30% in the last few years; 25% of Arctic ice has already melted, how can they adapt to a rapidly dwindling territory.


http://www.schulphysik.de/klima.html

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Global_Warming_Swindle

http://www.keepbanderabeautiful.org/keepearthbeautiful.html?gclid=COyz48iS5ZECFQVUZwodUUNbWw

we must be realistic, rational enough and try to rescue our mother Earth
for our life today and for the generation ahead- amen


next centenial i'll might be living in März(planet) oh but how?-joky ::) ;D

Here here! Well said, mon ami.

unsay "mon ami" dongBran?

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« Reply #72 on: March 02, 2008, 02:06:23 AM »
ahh mao ba

danke mein freund ;D(thanks my friend)

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« Reply #73 on: March 02, 2008, 03:29:43 AM »
wie ist Deutschland blueangel?

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« Reply #74 on: March 03, 2008, 07:39:55 PM »
wie ist Deutschland blueangel?

the Alimangos doin "gut"(good) Doi-hehehe

aber das Wetter ist doof-ngoks

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« Reply #75 on: March 03, 2008, 10:59:31 PM »
ich will ein schönes Mädchen von Deutschland heiraten! können Sie mir helfen? heehehehehhe

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« Reply #76 on: March 03, 2008, 11:41:20 PM »
ich will ein schönes Mädchen von Deutschland heiraten! können Sie mir helfen? heehehehehhe

Du meints "ich möchtest"  - Herr Will ist schon langs gestorben whehehe


welche Mädchen denn? Deutscher oder Deu-Fil? oder Philgerm?-winky

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« Reply #77 on: March 03, 2008, 11:49:01 PM »
ich will ein schönes Mädchen von Deutschland heiraten! können Sie mir helfen? heehehehehhe

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jedes schöne Mädchen. Staatsbürgerschaft ist nicht ein großes Geschäft! ahahahahahahha

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« Reply #78 on: March 03, 2008, 11:52:39 PM »

na unsa na ning global warming? abi naku ako ray kinahanglan pahimangnuan. ;D

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« Reply #79 on: March 03, 2008, 11:55:53 PM »

na unsa na ning global warming? abi naku ako ray kinahanglan pahimangnuan. ;D

ops nag Global searching na ni-ngoks

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