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Lorenzo · « **on:** October 23, 2008, 09:09:25 PM »

Andalucia

The Old Castles of Andalucia

Viva'y Los Andalucianos

The farms of Andalucia

The Breadth of Andalucia: Yours to Discover!

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #1 on:** October 23, 2008, 09:16:24 PM »

The City of Seville, of the Province of Andalucia

The Architectural Heart of Spain

The Bulls of Spain

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Macky Ferniz · « **Reply #2 on:** October 23, 2008, 10:28:24 PM »

Actually, most of Bohol Towns were named after Spanish towns and names like:
- Sevilla = Seville
- Cortes = Cortez
- Albur = Alburquerqe
- Velencia = Valencia
- Bilar - Basque town of Bilar
- Duero - Duero is a Spanish family name
- Carmen - Carmen
- Trinidad
- Etc.

I have a doubt that Anda was derived from Andalusia. Like Albur was derived from Alburquerque.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #3 on:** October 24, 2008, 08:43:14 AM »

I think Anda was probably derived from Andalucia.

Most of the Spanish episcopacy that were transplated into the Philippines came from specific towns in Spain.

Andalucia, being a very large province of Spain and the home province for many Conquistadores, probably sent hundreds of its Priests and Monks, under the auspices to Evangelize and Christianize the Philippines by Imperial Decree of Emperor Philipp II (who the Philippines is named after: Felipe is the Spanish transliteration, hence Filipinas; hence, "Of Felipe: Filipinas")

The town of Burgos in Southern Leyte was also named after the city in Spain, Burgos because most of the Priests and Monks that Evangelized the town were from Burgos, Spain.

Even the concept of Municipality or Municipalidad and urban areas was a total European Import, concerning the Philippines.

Prior to Hispanization of the Islands, our Malay ancestors were sedentiary farmers, opting to live in scattered villages and there was a physical lacking of large urban areas.

When the Philippine Archipelago was fraternized into the Spanish Empire, the main goals of Hispanization was to 'Hispanify' the entire island. What this meant was to build and create large urban areas. There were three reasons for this:
1) The Spaniards believed that Man was a social animal and in order to recieve the word of God, and the Grace of His word, cities were needed for communication of peoples.
2) Urban areas would provide the basis of governance for the islands; and labor could be facilitated. Spain's goal in the islands was not only to Christianize the Islands. Their goal was to develop it. To create agrarian communities that would make governing the islands feasible and economical. The presence of Agrarian communities would produce the development of a Peninsular Class: a Filipino Oligarchy. One that Spain would utilize to rule the islands.
3) Urban communities would make Evangelization quicker as it would lead to conversion quicker and allow a strategic grip on the local lowlands.

The reason why most of the towns in the Philippines have Spanish Names is because they were all created by the Spanish. The concept of the Town, City, Port, etc did not exist in the traditional sense prior to the arrival of Spain.

Prior to Spain, the Archipelago was composed of small princely states; and unnamed tribal lands that swore no fealty to any Lord or King, respectively known as the Datu or Rajah.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #4 on:** October 24, 2008, 08:59:51 AM »

Mr. Ferniz, one thing that I find very interesting that is universal of the Spanish imprint in its overseas empire is this:

1) Massive Religious Migration
(Spain literally sent tens of thousands of its priests and monks to its overseas empire)

2) The presence of a Church in ever single town.
--This is a universal imprint of the Spanish.
If you go to Mexico, Argentina, California, New Mexico, Texas, Arizona, Chile, Peru, Venezuela, Bolivia, Paraguay, Panama, Columbia, Philippines, Cuba, Puerto Rico, Guam so on so forth, you will find that there is a church in every single town.

The Church was a strategic base of operations for the Spanish.

If you think and analyze this strategically and demographically, you will observe that the Church was the center of a town. And everything else is built around a church of that particular town. You will see that the barangays that are built around a church form a grid, and that there is a plaza mayor or a 'central' region of the town near the church.

This is even seen in Latin America and Spain.

In Latin America, the 'Barangays' are known as 'Pueblos'. There are many pueblos that circumvent around the church and there is a plaza mayor. Altogether, the organizational unit is known as a Municipalidad.

If you observe how the Spaniards organized the Philippines, you will see that they organized it exactly how they organized their empire in Latin America; specifically and historically, the Philippines was organized the same way how Neuva Espana (Mexico) was organized.

Which was based on how Spain itself was built and organized.

This is how Spain differed from other European Powers in how they governed their foreign empires. Other European Empires such as Britain, France, Germany, Italy etc used their overseas empire to transport resources back to the home country. Spain different, significantly because Spain wanted to and literally did Transform its overseas possession to look and have similar features as the Mother Country. Spain, itself.

Which, unfortunately, required more resources from Spain. Leading to Overexhaustion.

During the Spanish Migration, Millions of Spaniards Migrated to Latin America and the Philippines. This had a strategic consequence to Spain's Influence in Europe.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #5 on:** October 24, 2008, 09:19:26 AM »

Andalucia: Environmentally Friendly

Windmill Farms

The Spanish Version of the 'Payag'

Fishing Boats of Andalucia

Andalucianos

An Andaluciana with a dog? LoL

Night Life

Where the Classic blends with the Modern.

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Macky Ferniz · « **Reply #6 on:** October 24, 2008, 09:44:01 AM »

Thanks Lorenzo, this is very informative.

I never thought Andalusia would become as modern as what I saw from your post. Most of their old architechture is still preserved and mixed in contrast to new technology.

What I thought of Andalusia is a medieval town like old cities in Italy. Because from our history lesson, Andalusia was the frontline of the Holy Crussade where Morrocans fought with the Christian north. So, I thought of Medieval with Castles, horses and nights.

What I knew also is that thier main produce are Olives and orchard. I wonder why the Spaniards did not brought Olives to the Philippines. Maybe our climate is not suitable for its growth. It is one of the most expensive oil.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #7 on:** October 24, 2008, 10:10:43 AM »

What is interesting about the Latin World, Mr. Ferniz is that each country in Latin America differs from each other because each country in the Latin World has its culture from Spain, but has regionalistic differences.

Per se, in New Spain (Mexico), most of the immigrants there were from Madrid and central Spain. New Spain was also the 'heart' of the Spanish overseas possessions. It was the 'relay' station for further conquests. As most of the conquistadores and priests that came to the Philippines came from Spain by means of Nueva Espana (Mexico).

So you will see that the food and culture of nations such as Argentina will be slightly different from nations such as Columbia and Venezuela because the Spaniards that colonized Argentina were primarily from the Basque region, of the Northern part of Spain. And nations such as Peru, Columbia were colonized by Andalucianos.

Andalucia is in southern Spain, with a more Arabic cultural flare, whereas Basque Province of Northern Spain has a 'French' flare to it since the close proximity of Basque Province to France.

In this case, we see that the countries in Latin America literally are a continuation of the provinces of Spain.

The Spaniards that came to the Philippines mostly came from Nueva Espana, which was a major Viceroyalty; The Viceroyalty of Nueva Espana. The Spaniards that did come to the Philippines were mostly from Central Spain or from the Southern provinces.

If you look at the architecture of Intramuros, you will see an uncanny resemblance to the architecture seen in Neuva Espana (Mexico) during that time period.

Gate to Intramuros

Church in Intramuros

compare that to:

Mexican Church (Nueva Espana)

16th century Spanish Church in Mexico (Notice its uncanny resemblance to the church in Intramuros)

Note: You can tell the structural differences of the different churches from Northern Spain, Central Spain and Southern Spain.

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Macky Ferniz · « **Reply #8 on:** October 24, 2008, 10:20:47 AM »

In addition, Philippines was the richest country during the Spanish occupation due to the tobacco monopoly and the Acapulco Trade.

There are even places in Acapulco with residents that looks like Filipinos. They were probably the Filipino sailors and labors who stayed for good.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #9 on:** October 24, 2008, 10:24:59 AM »

One good example of direct similarity between Manila and Madrid is the similarity in structural design of San Agustin Church to that of the Royal Palace in Madrid.

Notice the gate, and the tower design. Philippines

Notice the gate and the tower(s) and design. Madrid

Church in Negros Oriental, Philippines (Notice the gate formation)

San Miguel Church in Madrid, Spain. (Notice the gate formation)

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #10 on:** October 24, 2008, 10:26:26 AM »

In addition, Philippines was the richest country during the Spanish occupation due to the tobacco monopoly and the Acapulco Trade.

There are even places in Acapulco with residents that looks like Filipinos. They were probably the Filipino sailors and labors who stayed for good.

That is very true, Sir!

You know there is a strong Chinese and Filipino population in the western coast of Mexico. That came to Mexico via the Manila-Acapulco Galleon Trade.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #11 on:** November 25, 2008, 11:33:55 AM »

Andalucia, an old bridge.

The rolling hills of Andalucia

Old Andalucia, still alive.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #12 on:** January 21, 2009, 05:12:08 AM »

More of Andalucia:

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #13 on:** February 23, 2009, 08:26:39 AM »

Thanks Lorenzo, this is very informative.

I never thought Andalusia would become as modern as what I saw from your post. Most of their old architechture is still preserved and mixed in contrast to new technology.

What I thought of Andalusia is a medieval town like old cities in Italy. Because from our history lesson, Andalusia was the frontline of the Holy Crussade where Morrocans fought with the Christian north. So, I thought of Medieval with Castles, horses and nights.

What I knew also is that thier main produce are Olives and orchard. I wonder why the Spaniards did not brought Olives to the Philippines. Maybe our climate is not suitable for its growth. It is one of the most expensive oil.

Mr. Ferniz,

The Spaniards brought oranges, grapes, pineapples, tobacco, potatoes, to Philippines. Perhaps there was no need for olives in the Philippines.

Philippines did, however, influence Spain.

Mangoes, Rice, and Star Fruits, Sugar Cane etc were brought to other parts of the Spanish Empire where it influenced growth in population.

IN the Spanish Overseas Province of the Canaries, Mangoes and Rice is a major product. Even to this day.

That, is the direct link Philippines had on Spain.

Most of the Spaniards that came to colonize Philippines were from Andalucia and Madrid region. The Spaniards from Andalucia and southern Spain formed the main ranks of the Conquistardore Armies.

And many of our Filipino Mestizos that have Spanish blood, to this day, most probably have the blood line of Andalucia.

Andalucians are renowned or their beauty.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #14 on:** February 23, 2009, 08:31:35 AM »

Mr. Ferniz,

These are the beauties of La Provincia dela Andalucia :
(The Bread-Basket of Spain)

Dios Mio!
Spanish women have so very Sharp features. Ayyy Caramba!

Muy Guapa!

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #15 on:** February 23, 2009, 08:33:57 AM »

Three words come out when I think of Mother Spain:

Conservative
Catholic
Gorgeous

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #16 on:** April 25, 2009, 06:28:06 PM »

La Provincia dela Andalucia,
EspaÃ±a

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Keko · « **Reply #17 on:** April 27, 2009, 06:38:43 PM »

Three words come out when I think of Mother Spain:

Conservative
Catholic
Gorgeous

Hi Lorenzo, how are you?

Well just one point

Spain is not as catholic and so conservative as you think.

Young people is not very religious and we are far from the old conservative way of think.
That spain dead when the dictatorship dead

Anyway I think Andalucia is where religion is lived with more passion but do not expect the old conservative spain of some decades ago

Saludos

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kiamoy · « **Reply #18 on:** September 08, 2009, 04:18:29 AM »

All Spaniards are good looking. i swear!

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Keko · « **Reply #19 on:** September 08, 2009, 03:23:33 PM »

I am not lol hahahaha

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #20 on:** September 08, 2009, 05:12:14 PM »

Ricardo, so would you say that Espana has liberalized completely?
I hear that Spain and Italy are still heavily conservative compared to the rest of Europe.

Ah, I still want to visit Andalucia, Spain.

Three spots I want to visit:

1. Valencia
2. Madrid
3. Andalucia

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #21 on:** September 08, 2009, 05:13:03 PM »

I forgot:

Barcelona and the Canaries! ha ha ha!

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #22 on:** September 08, 2009, 05:19:00 PM »

I think that Spain should maintain a conservative policy.
It needs to keep to its cultural heart. And religious role.
For centuries, it was Spain that was the guardian of Chrisian Catholicism.
It was the armies of Philipp II that prevented Sicily and southern Italy to fall under the control of the Ottoman Turks, and it was the Spanish Navy that prevented complete Protestant hedgeway into Spain and its territories. It was Spain that prevented the underbelly of Europe and Europe in general from falling into the control of Islamic Jihadism.

Latin American countries, are still quite conservative in policy, and it is a trait that they inherited from the Spaniards. Catholic Trait.

Philippines, is also still a conservative country, a trait we've inherited by the Spaniards.

For me, it would be a travesty to have Spain loose its Catholic Roots.

A travesty, indeed...

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Keko · « **Reply #23 on:** September 08, 2009, 05:20:21 PM »

Ricardo, so would you say that Espana has liberalized completely?
I hear that Spain and Italy are still heavily conservative compared to the rest of Europe.

Ah, I still want to visit Andalucia, Spain.

Three spots I want to visit:

1. Valencia
2. Madrid
3. Andalucia

Spain not any more conservative.

Remember Spain is one of the few countries where gay people can get married.
During last 30 years Spain has changed drastically. (after lot of years of disctatorship and restrictions the people were free) so the effect was like when you shake a champagne bottle, sooner or later because of the presure all that was locked inside the bottle will go out sudden.

That is what happened here. We passed from the old spain to the new in very "short" range of time.

But if you come you will see what we call the two Spains. The conservative and the liberated

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #24 on:** September 08, 2009, 05:23:27 PM »

Interesting, so the dichotomy of liberal and conservative is similar to that of the United States.

Here in the United States, we also have two a liberal and conservative presence.

Thank you, Ricardo, for sharing your point of view tho.

hehehe

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #25 on:** September 08, 2009, 05:28:11 PM »

Spain not any more conservative.

Remember Spain is one of the few countries where gay people can get married.
During last 30 years Spain has changed drastically. (after lot of years of disctatorship and restrictions the people were free) so the effect was like when you shake a champagne bottle, sooner or later because of the presure all that was locked inside the bottle will go out sudden.

That is what happened here. We passed from the old spain to the new in very "short" range of time.

But if you come you will see what we call the two Spains. The conservative and the liberated

Amigo, I felt the liberal presence of Europe back in '06 when i stopped by Amsterdam before making a flight to Kiev, Ukraine.

Drugs are legal in Amsterdam, Netherland.

Excessive liberalism has led to the decay of the old and beautiful European cultural hearts. imho. This has been made self aware by the multiple rapport by Pope Benedict XVI and other religious men.

But I am interested in analyzing the progression of Europe. It is liberalizing, yes, but ive talked to some of my friends in Madrid, that there is a growing counter-culture trend. Due to the rise of Islamic and Basque terrorism. Its interesting to read about tho. let alone talk about it.

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Keko · « **Reply #26 on:** September 08, 2009, 05:29:15 PM »

I think that Spain should maintain a conservative policy.
It needs to keep to its cultural heart. And religious role.
For centuries, it was Spain that was the guardian of Chrisian Catholicism.
It was the armies of Philipp II that prevented Sicily and southern Italy to fall under the control of the Ottoman Turks, and it was the Spanish Navy that prevented complete Protestant hedgeway into Spain and its territories. It was Spain that prevented the underbelly of Europe and Europe in general from falling into the control of Islamic Jihadism.

Latin American countries, are still quite conservative in policy, and it is a trait that they inherited from the Spaniards. Catholic Trait.

Philippines, is also still a conservative country, a trait we've inherited by the Spaniards.

For me, it would be a travesty to have Spain loose its Catholic Roots.

A travesty, indeed...

Then we are a travesty hahahaha.

Catholic church is loosing power in Spain day by day. Not only power in the society, they loose plenty of people and money cause people do not want to give the church money from our tax.

Spain now is like fighting a battle to get rid off the church in the state.

Separate religion and goberment.

Since the dictatorship ended Spain was declared Laica or Aconfesional. (no religion alligned)

Regards

PD: I felt in Philippines like at home almost hahaha
Same behaviour as the conservatives times

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #27 on:** September 08, 2009, 05:37:11 PM »

The government expects the church to pay taxes?
I'm not arguing that Spain should have the Catholic Church in power, I believe that religion and state should be separated, absolutely.

However, I just believe that the Catholic Church and Spain are culturally, inseparable. You cannot deny the fact that it was the Catholic Church that helped in the Reconquista of the Iberian Peninsula from the Moors. hehehehe!

Its iteresting to read your point, Ricardo, because most of my friends that are Latin American are very religious and traditional (Mexicans, Argetinians, Honduran, Cuban). Interesting to hear this tho! I love reading about it. Then again, I am not suprised since the government in Spain is a socialist form.
Thanks for updating us! Especialmente mi!

So would you say that the Latin Americans are more conservative than Spaniards?

Saludos!

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #28 on:** September 08, 2009, 05:45:44 PM »

@ Ricardo,

Yes, I realize that about some of my friends that are from Argentina, Mexico, And Honduras. They are quite conservative, and very Catholic. I realize this that we retained, in our cultures the old Catholic teachings that was spread by the Conquistadores.

Ive realized this, as well in historical analysis.

Many historians from Spain love to read the writings and periodicals in the museums in Mexico City as a way to study Old Castillian and even in studying the military history. It is interesting because it is the former colonies that are the sepositories of the old colonial mentality. hehehe!

Its interesting. To talk about this.

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Keko · « **Reply #29 on:** September 08, 2009, 05:47:15 PM »

They Not pay tax. The church gets money from our tax.

Is not a socialism or not way of goberment. is that they have to match the constitution and the says "Spain is Acofessional" and catholic church do not accept that

They want to stay in the middle of the spot in all the political matters in things that maybe affects me. So I want them to do their religious matters and leave the political matter for the politicals.

I voted Zapatero the first time cause I wanted the Spanish troops in Spain.
And our islamic terrorism problem was caused because our last president that did a great job during 8 years messed all going with USA to a war that wasnÂ´t our war and was illegal. We never should have been there. Spain had lot of wars already we do not want to have any more wars. And we were pissed off cause the people said NO to join USA for the war and 1 person decided YES.

Hopefully we are not any more in a empire where only the one that rules decides so Aznar succesor lost with the people votes

I do not want Spain any more in any war. And even less in a USA war.

I never voted any more to Zapatero cause has done some poor management and he lied and he is sending more troops to Afganistan.

Result of that --> We are in the spot for beeing where we shouldnÂ´t be.

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hofelina · « **Reply #30 on:** September 08, 2009, 05:53:25 PM »

ThatÂ´s the point why Schroeder won in Germany as a chancellor because he said we wonÂ´t join the wagon about the Afgahnistan/Iraq war. It turns out to be a great lie, German troops are there and there is a present investigation concerning German troops violating NATO rules, hence injuring/causing death to civilians in Kundus, Afgahnistan.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #31 on:** September 08, 2009, 05:54:29 PM »

In the United States, the Catholic Church or any other Christian Church, Mosques, Synagogues don't pay taxes. As they are considered Non Profit Organizations.

Yes, well I respect your view regarding Zapatero and Aznar.

hehehe, I highly respect King Juan Carlos' remarks to Hug Chavez.

I highly admire the culture and the history of your country, Ricardo.
I want to visit Spain, as it is in my top 10 destinations.
Liberal or Conservative.
Does not matter. he he he he!

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #32 on:** September 08, 2009, 05:58:39 PM »

Europe. The land of so many dichotomies!

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Keko · « **Reply #33 on:** September 08, 2009, 06:06:42 PM »

hehehe, I highly respect King Juan Carlos' remarks to Hug Chavez.

Do you mean "QUE TE CALLES YA HOMBRE!!!" hahahaha

I do not follow any politic party. I vote the one I feel is better or do not vote when I do not like any of them as last time.

Is just people in Spain is tired of wars. Our history is marked for wars. I think is time to be apart from them. I do not want my country be in any more history books for beeing in wars. I prefer to be in them from now for good things

Our army is not allowed to shoot if they arenÂ´t in danger and I saw a video in Iraq the usa army shooting everybody and the spanish with the arms crossed.

Then a soldier asks "why they are not shooting?"

The Spanish official said "they did not shoot to us never itÂ´s you the one shooting them"
I do not want the people think that Spanish army acts like the usa shooting first asking later.

I prefer Spain beeing apart from any armed conflict. itÂ´s time of the European Union, itÂ´s time to leave wars behind and not create new ones.

@ Lorenzo -> Is the Church the one that gets money from my tax not them paying tax hahahaha

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kiamoy · « **Reply #34 on:** September 08, 2009, 11:17:29 PM »

I am not lol hahahaha

Filipinos with Spanish bloods are

Interracial marriage results to gorgeous offsprings

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Keko · « **Reply #35 on:** September 08, 2009, 11:27:20 PM »

Filipinos with Spanish bloods are

Interracial marriage results to gorgeous offsprings

Well I will see when we got married but we are still young for that hahaha.

She is 23 and I am 25

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kiamoy · « **Reply #36 on:** September 08, 2009, 11:30:10 PM »

no need! it's proven. im sure you've seen it here in the Phils

based on your replies here in TB, she seems to be a good Filipina. i am glad that you found her.

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juliusarbizo · « **Reply #37 on:** September 08, 2009, 11:43:02 PM »

just a thought, maybe when the old Spain recognized the proclamation of independence by the katipuneros, maybe we retained the Spanish language because it is the official language of the ilustrado then and of course, we may be spared by Americans in colonizing because Spain recognized us as an independent country, what a tactical retreat by old Spain by then he, he

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #38 on:** September 09, 2009, 05:24:27 AM »

Julius, at then the Spaniards did not want to grant independence to the Philippines because it would have been crippling for her to loose the war to the Filipinos. Instead, when she was given the opportunity to 'save face' from the situation, she sold th Philippines to the United States for $20 million in the Treaty of Paris in 1898 after Spain's defeat to the United States.

In the late 19th century, Spain was already a fading power, and Madrid was in the midst of political turmoil during the war. It was inevetible that she was going to loose the war to the United States, which was the rising power.

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juliusarbizo · « **Reply #39 on:** September 09, 2009, 02:41:29 PM »

The two countries, the Philippines and Spain should strive hard to sustain its bilateral relations and to reconcile the past, at the mind of most Filipinos especially what is taught in the academe, Spain contributed so much of our nations misery as if it were the doing of old Spain in feudal 1900's and most Filipinos mindset stopped there like a suspended picture in air. That's why most Filipinos thought of Spain as feudal, conservative and religious. but the modern Spain changed so much after the civil war as what keko said. It was transformed in a modern European country as what other countries in Europe do. If the Philippines can connect this transformation in mother country, may that's the time a Filipinos may attain progress.

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