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« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2008, 05:40:14 PM »
Sakto gyud ka glacier. Murag si Jess Tirol ra man ang nag document ani voluntarily free of charge. Ang government department nga responsible wala gyud mag himo ug maayong move, bisan na lang unta sa pag himo ug census or documentary.

Bisan sa US nga modern world na, duna pa silay national heritage nga small pockets of camps sa mga indeginous indian tribes. Parehas ila ka Bella ug uncle ni Gracie.
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« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2008, 08:14:17 PM »

naay kaso man gud diri sa akong lugar nga ang mga natives nila, gi-"exprimentohan" sa gobyerno. gi-relocate sila, gi-tukoran og mga eskwelahan, tindahan, post office, etc...in other words, gi-modernize kintahay ilang pamaagi sa panginabuhi. it turned out nga na-guba ang ilang unique culture. worst, many of them have become problematic people. cases of addiction, sexual abuse ug homelessness have become a serious issue now. kung di lang dato ning gobyernoha ug kung di pa lang pod willing sila motabang sa mga nitibo, hayan, gubot pas lukot ang gidangatan aning mga tawhana. gawas pa, naa gyuy programa ang ilang gobyerno unsaon nga ma-preserbar ang ilang kultura ug kustombre.
mao naka-ingon ko nga pasagdi na lang nang mga Eskaya, kay sa tandugon na sila, nya, way saktong supporta sa mga autoridad. they're better off being left alone. so far.
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« Reply #22 on: December 23, 2008, 08:43:20 PM »
Sakto ka Glacier, kana bitaw mga igorot gi ban na man ang pag hatag ug relief goods didto kay sa una, na looy ang mga taga Manila nga mag hukas lang ang ilang mga bata bisan ug tugnaw didto sa Baguio, apan ang resulta, na wala ang ilang tribal and cultural identity kay wala nay mo suot ug bahag. Mangita na ug pantalon ang ilang mga bag-ong tubo. Mag bahag lang sila kung dunay sayaw or special occations.

Actually ang clothing relief goods nga atong gi tohoan nga tabang is actually naka hatag ug negative effect sa ilang cummunity. For thousands of years ang mga Igorot nga bata matulog nga mag bahag lang bisan tugnaw nga gabii, ug mao na kini ang natural sa ilang lawas.

Actually, kita pa gani ang dapat mo sundog sa mga natives kung unsa ilang secreto nga taas ilang resistensya sa sakit. Unsa ang ilang mga gipang kaon nga herbal ug unsa ilang lifestyle?

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« Reply #23 on: December 24, 2008, 12:08:44 AM »
I went to "Eskaya Tribe" in Taytay, Duero way back 2001 or 2002. Murag na modernize naman na sila.
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« Reply #24 on: December 24, 2008, 11:34:06 AM »
naunsa na kaha tong stone age tribe nga na descover ni mr. ayala. galaig nag ipod na pod ron sila.
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« Reply #25 on: December 24, 2008, 06:01:22 PM »
You mean Manuel Elizalde of PANAMIN , this institution was a pakulo of Pres Marcos. They "discovered" stone-age people called T´saday, in South Cotabato. They were paid to act like stone age people to attract foreign attention. BBC made a documentation about this. They really gullible to believe it. Elizalde was called Taobong, the good man, as the discoverer. He was hailed like a hero. The caves where they lived was supposed to be rich in mineral deposits. It took years to realized that it was all fakes.

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« Reply #26 on: December 24, 2008, 07:18:20 PM »
[quote author=buwadsanga link=topic=12292.msg199157#msg199157 date=1230089646]
naunsa na kaha tong stone age tribe nga na descover ni mr. ayala. galaig nag ipod na pod ron sila.
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Buwad si Elizalde man cguro imong gui mean nga naka discover sa Tasadays sa Bukidnon. Karon modern na sila. Kadtong bata nga iyang nakuhaan ug picture nga guisabak sa iyang inahan minyo na ug naa nay Balay nga pareho sab nato. Pobre lng guihapon.

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« Reply #27 on: December 24, 2008, 09:51:38 PM »
Manuel Elizalde, 60, Dies; Defender of Primitive Tribe
By ROBERT MCG. THOMAS JR.
Published: May 8, 1997
Manuel Elizalde Jr., a wealthy Filipino official who caused a sensation in 1971 when he announced that he had discovered a tiny tribe of people who had lived for thousands of years in such blissful Stone Age isolation that they had no word for war, died on Saturday at his home in Makati, a Manila suburb. He was 60, and some scientists say he was one of the world's master hoaxers.
To the wave of anthropologists, archaeologists and others who descended on Mindanao, in the southern Philippines, in the early 1970's, the 24 people Mr. Elizalde said he had found there in June 1971 seemed too good to be true.
Calling themselves Tasadays, after their sacred mountain, they were hunter-gatherers who never ventured far from their cave dwellings, had no notion of agriculture, went around naked or in leaves, lived in perfect harmony and said they had assumed they were the only people in the world, even though a population of farming people lived only a three-hour walk through the dense jungle.
There were those who were suspicious from the beginning. For one thing, Mr. Elizalde was something of an iconoclast. A Harvard-educated scion of one of the Philippines' wealthiest families, he had given up his hard-drinking playboy ways to champion the nation's beleaguered minorities, first as a private citizen and later as a member of President Ferdinand E. Marcos's Cabinet.
Mr. Elizalde affected such an interest in primitive youth that he and his wife adopted 50 children from minority groups.
Still, the initial wave of social scientists who visited the Tasadays were convinced they were who they and Mr. Elizalde said they were. Their enthusiastic reports led to a book, ''The Gentle Tasaday: A Stone Age People in the Philippine Rain Forest,'' by John Nance; glowing accounts in The National Geographic, and extensive television coverage.
Expressing fear that the Tasadays' habitat would be destroyed by the encroachments of civilization, the Marcos Government created a 46,000-acre preserve for them and put it off limits to loggers and farmers.
Skeptics were dismayed in 1974 when Mr. Elizalde, citing a need to protect the Tasadays from exploitation and the harmful effects of too much contact with civilization, blocked any further visits by social scientists.
The area remained off limits until after Marcos was deposed in 1986. Then, as outsiders again made their way to the Tasaday preserve, doubts about them became rampant.
Some anthropologists had called their story implausible from the beginning. Among other things, they pointed out, their caves lacked the middens, or trash heaps, that would have been expected of peoples living there for centuries.
It did not help when members of a neighboring tribe said Mr. Elizalde had paid them to take off their clothes and pose as Tasadays for visiting journalists and others.
Mr. Elizalde, who had been forced to leave the Philippines in 1983 after a falling out with Imelda Marcos, the President's wife, settled on a coffee plantation in Costa Rica with more than a dozen young Filipino girls. It did not add to his reputation when the Costa Rica Government expelled him in 1986, citing scandalous reports of what went on inside his heavily guarded compound.
He returned to the Philippines in 1988, helped manage his family's extensive business interests and tried unsuccessfully to rekindle his political career. A 1993 nomination to be Ambassador to Mexico was withdrawn after it created a political furor over Mr. Elizalde's ties to the Marcos administration and his role in what was then widely perceived as the Tasaday hoax.
Since 1971 the Tasadays have virtually merged into neighboring groups and picked up so many trappings of modern civilization that they can no longer be studied as unique primitives.
But the debate over their origins still rages. For all the questions of plausibility and the reports that they were paid to fake the degree of their primitive status, some social scientists still believe they had lived for a few centuries in complete isolation.
It was a reflection of their rapid acculturalization that in 1988, several members of the tribe filed a libel suit against anthropologists who had called them fakers.
''We are the forest,'' one of the women said before affixing her thumbprint to the complaint. ''We are the Tasaday. We are as real as the forest and the flowers and the trees and the stream.''
It was an eloquent declaration, and one that would undoubtedly have been given more credence if it had not been made at Mr. Elizalde's Manila mansion by an interpreter he supplied.



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« Reply #28 on: December 25, 2008, 12:57:14 AM »

What kind of dialect do they use? Is it an offshoot of Bol-anon?

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« Reply #29 on: December 25, 2008, 05:44:14 PM »
Lorenzo,

My wife's late grandmother is a true bloodied Eskaya from Kabugan, Guindulman. I heared her speaking differently to her co-eskayan friend. It is not visayan but totally of different dialect.

As per the accounts of historians, these people came from the island of Sumatra and settled to Butuan and Bohol.

I heared similar story about the Kapangpangans that during the American occupation, a Kapangpangan was assigned in Sumatra and were surprised that they speak the same language.

I've also seen some articles from Ancient History that due to the raids and skermishes between Mujapahit Empire and Sri Vijayans in 14th century, many tribes in Sumatra fled to neighboring countries & teritories. Eskaya must be one of them.

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« Reply #30 on: December 25, 2008, 06:25:13 PM »
This is really exciting to find an ethnic group Eskaya who truly exists. Sad to say they were not able to put  their history and culture in writings. If there are present developments in Balanghai and Eskaya connections , rest assured I will post and share it with you here.

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« Reply #31 on: December 25, 2008, 09:27:18 PM »
Many thanks and salutations to you, Mr. Ferniz,

I must admit that I never knew about the Eskaya tribe until I read this thread and until you provided that intriguing information. It is very interesting to know that there are, in this day in age, still purists in our country. Which has been considered by many historians as the Europe of Asia due to our amalgamated and rich culture.

In perspective though, knowing now about purist tribes such as the Eskaya and the Ifugao in the north, one really gets an image of Filipino History and Culture as one that is tectorial. Coming in layers. Starting from the Melanesiac, the arrival of the Proto-Malay, the Classic Malay, and later following miscegenation.

I like this thread very much. It is like the opening of a game of chess. :)


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« Reply #32 on: January 08, 2009, 10:29:53 AM »
wa lang ta kabalo nga tua na diay ilang laptop gimontar sa kilid sa ilang langob o payag. hehehehe

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« Reply #33 on: January 08, 2009, 10:41:40 AM »
A game of chess indeed!
From a purely scholarly point of view I'm interested in many of the assumptions/preconceptions that have appeared in this thread. A common theme is that the Eskaya are primitive and uneducated, and therefore in need of leadership and protection. Someone has also commented that the Eskaya culture is not documented and may be in danger of being lost. Another describes Fabian Baja as the 'last leader'.
Sociologically, these emotive reactions are fascinating but as far as I'm concerned they don't coincide with any empirical reality. The Eskaya have sophisticated systems of leadership. They have a tribal council which accords with the requirements of National Commission of Indigenous Peoples, as well cultural authorities embodied in the corps of teachers. The lineage of Datahan and Baja also provide a dynastic authority. Certain members of the group are among some of the most well-educated, multilingual and highly literate people I have ever had the privilege of meeting. There is currently one at the University of Hawaii working with a field methods group on language documentation. For at least seventy years, Eskayan stories and songs have been recorded BY the Eskaya, FOR the Eskaya and IN the Eskayan language through careful handwritten transcriptions. This is cleary a group that is confident in its own identity with little need of outsider support. Anyone who visits the Eskaya might be a little disappointed that they don't conform to the stereotype. They look, dress, eat, live, work, worship pretty much just like the mainstream. What distinguishes them is their cultural knowledge and identity. In the past, outsiders like Jes Tirol, have advanced some pretty interesting theories about the origin of the group which I personally don't support (and neither do many Eskaya!). There's plenty of info available in the Bohol Provincial Library in Tagbilaran from many different writers. Or you can search scribd.com for a document called Visayan-Eskaya Secondary Source Materials where I have attempted to summarise and compare the different points of view. Happy research, and happy New Year!

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« Reply #34 on: January 08, 2009, 10:46:02 AM »
hmmm...so here it is. thank you, perezkelly.

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« Reply #35 on: January 09, 2009, 03:32:28 PM »
Perezkelly is an Australian scholar who got interested in Eskaya Tribe. Made researched about the subject and quite dissapointed about what left or remnant of a lost Kingdom.

Butuan and Bo-ol Kingdom is been a long lost Civilization. We are mostly Eskayan in origin, weather we like or not. Visayan language is originated from old kingdom of Sumatra.

As predicted by Kuryapa, this Kingdom will be banished by the Ternatans and the Portuguise. As We been scattered around the Visayas and Mindanao.

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« Reply #36 on: January 28, 2009, 10:08:34 AM »
i thought Escayans (some of them) had successfully assimilated themselves as what some success stories of Eskayans mentioned previously.

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« Reply #37 on: February 03, 2009, 05:01:16 PM »
lets just pray that the Eskaya may indeed be a lost tribe and be accorded that lofty position in the country's history.

Itell you this because it is sad that there was an anthropologist who summed the Eskaya as a hoax daw.

Seguro, Melrose can tell us about it. 
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« Reply #38 on: February 03, 2009, 11:38:09 PM »
hoax? mao ba. iya ra pod tingali nang tomo-tomo, apo, kay naa man gyoy Eskaya pa sa Bohol (Duero)...

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« Reply #39 on: February 04, 2009, 09:11:23 AM »
that is what i am afraid gali kay until now, naa pa gihapoy moangkon nga T'saday pod sila nga tinuod.

The drift was that it was proliferated by some prominent people daw in Bohol to advance a school's new department daw. And the documentor pa is Jess Tirol, so its kind of suspicious to me personally.

I hope this is not offending the sensibilities of our friends but i would have wanted to pursue a study, most public officials ere however do not put the Eskaya as a priority.     



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