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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #40 on: September 30, 2010, 12:08:20 PM »
i read it once but there are certainly plenty of questions that cannot be answered. one thing that really bugs me is if he is truly a loving god, why did he still use his "son" to bridge and forgive our sins? why did he not just make it magically disappear or forgive if he is all that powerful?

these are just some little things that needed to be answered but it's also trivial that most people don't even bother to ask.

A very good question.

This goes in line with the Divine Writ of Selfless Love. God created man to be evident, and given free will. It is man's own will to war with God or to come to His bosom. After Adam & Eve's fall from Grace, man was at odds with God. It was not until the coming of Christ, were He literally died for the sins of Man. You see, God required retribution , His Law required this, and thus before Christ's coming, the gates of Heaven were closed.

It was only after Christ's selfless death on the Cross, which iluminated the Magnanimity of God's Love, that He would die for us, that salvation was possible.



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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #41 on: September 30, 2010, 12:08:50 PM »
i have to go for now. i had a great time discussing my point of view to you but i really hope that the catholic church will give it's people the choice on what to use or do and not let its own belief be implemented to every one. I don't want to let the church rule the state and vice versa. we have the separation between church and state.

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #42 on: September 30, 2010, 12:12:49 PM »
yes, faith is essential. but we cannot equate the faith on the the person we really see and we really trust. the "faith in god" is another story....

Let me ask you a question, how do I know that you are a compassionate, intelligent, law-abiding citizen?

I really don't do I?

I cannot see compassion, I cannot see intelligence, nor law abiding nature (these are not physical entities, but concepts that describes a character about you, or so I hope).

But, I have Faith that you do. The likeness in that said processes applies to the Christian notion of Faith in Christ.

This verse holds Truth,
2 Corinthians 4:18,
So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.

Hebrews 11:1,
Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #43 on: September 30, 2010, 12:15:57 PM »
The Holy Roman Catholic Church is The Church. It has over 1.1 billion adherents and its improtance in spreading the Word of God is pivotal, whose main goal is for the Salvation of those whom believe. Financial aspects will be always there, as any programs will cost money, and thus The Holy Mother the Church needs to pay them. It is through the goodness of the faithful who give, and have been giving for the continuation of the spreading of the Gospel and the dispensation of Church activities.

Catholics, despite their location and their position, are The Church.

The Pope, as the Vicar of Christ, if we refer to the Doctrine of Apostolic Tradition, is the Living, Breathing Representative of Chirst on Earth. We revere him as Christ's Vicar. He carries himself accordingly and in authority.


You've got the right discussion Bran, spread it to everyone.

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #44 on: September 30, 2010, 12:16:19 PM »
i have to go for now. i had a great time discussing my point of view to you but i really hope that the catholic church will give it's people the choice on what to use or do and not let its own belief be implemented to every one. I don't want to let the church rule the state and vice versa. we have the separation between church and state.

Of course, there should be separation of Church and State, this is necessary. I truly did enjoy talking to you and discussing with you as well. Perhaps we can talk again next time when you are available.

Till then, God Bless You, Stycxxx!

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #45 on: September 30, 2010, 12:20:54 PM »
I am glad naa si Lorenzo very smart and intelligent labi na ug ang catholic faith na ang hisgutan. God Bless you always Bran.

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #46 on: September 30, 2010, 01:49:50 PM »
Jesus said to the first disciples, "Come, see for yourself."

The rest is history...

To those who heed the call, they left everything and followed Jesus... not just to the different towns and villages but followed him to the end. All of them eventually died for the faith that Jesus initially planted in them.

The rest is history... we learned in Scriptures that those who chose to stay in the dark, and missed out on the Lord's invitation, eventually were responsible, or were partly responsible, for his rejection and eventual death.

In short, there were those who heard the call and there were those who chose to continue their old ways. The faith is never forced on anyone. But to those who chose to "put on Christ" must "clothe themselves in Christ" (meaning, there are rules to follow and doctrines to adhere to). And that job was clearly given to Peter, the "rock" upon which He will build his Church, to the Apostles... and in turn to the Holy Mother Church, the dispenser of the mysteries of faith... without which I don't know what kind of chaos we would be in.

Was the Church perfect in its administration over the course of many centuries? No. Far from it. It a society composed of imperfect human beings. There were dark ages in Church history as well as renaissances, give and take. And yet, nothing can take the fact the our Church has the Apostolic succcession (tradition) that goes back the 12 and ultimately to the Lord himself.  

To this day, the offer still stands... pero wa jud na ipugos, whether you agree or not with the Church's stand on many issues affecting the lives of its members.

But if you claim to be a Catholic, it's not a matter of democracy, or, what they call nowadays as Christian consumerism (kamoy magbuot kung unsay inyong tohoan o dili). The Church always stands for what is right and what she believes as Christ-like. Nothing more. Nothing less.

In short, kung ang usa ka tawo wa mooyon sa barogana sa Simbahang Katoliko, pwede man adto mo join sa TBN (Tagbilaran By Night) kay didto pwede magsigeg lalis... pwede pa mo join kay kamolo pag silag lalis hehehe.



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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #47 on: September 30, 2010, 01:55:39 PM »
Jesus said to the first disciples, "Come, see for yourself."

The rest is history...

To those who heed the call, they left everything and followed Jesus... not just to the different towns and villages but followed him to the end. All of them eventually died for the faith that Jesus initially planted in them.

The rest is history... we learned in Scriptures that those who chose to stay in the dark, and missed out on the Lord's invitation, eventually were responsible, or were partly responsible, for his rejection and eventual death.

In short, there were those who heard the call and there were those who chose to continue their old ways. The faith is never forced on anyone. But to those who chose to "put on Christ" must "clothe themselves in Christ" (meaning, there are rules to follow and doctrines to adhere to). And that job was clearly given to Peter, the "rock" upon which He will build his Church, to the Apostles... and in turn to the Holy Mother Church, the dispenser of the mysteries of faith... without which I don't know what kind of chaos we would be in.

Was the Church perfect in its administration over the course of many centuries? No. Far from it. It a society composed of imperfect human beings. There were dark ages in Church history as well as renaissances, give and take. And yet, nothing can take the fact the our Church has the Apostolic succcession (tradition) that goes back the 12 and ultimately to the Lord himself. 

To this day, the offer still stands... pero wa jud na ipugos, whether you agree or not with the Church's stand on many issues affecting the lives of its members.

But if you claim to be a Catholic, it's not a matter off democracy, or, what they call nowadays as Christian consumerism (kamoy magbuot kung unsay inyong tohoan o dili). The Church always stands for what is right and what she believes as Christ-like. Nothing more. Nothing less.

In short, kung ang usa ka tawo wa mooyon sa barogana sa Simbahang Katoliko, pwede man adto mo join sa TBN (Tagbilaran By Night) kay didto pwede magsigeg lalis... pwede pa mo join kay kamolo pag silag lalis hehehe.



Brilliance. The Wisdom of the Holy Spirit is in this post.

Father, you said it all.



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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #48 on: September 30, 2010, 09:51:34 PM »
Jesus said to the first disciples, "Come, see for yourself."
In short, kung ang usa ka tawo wa mooyon sa barogana sa Simbahang Katoliko, pwede man adto mo join sa TBN (Tagbilaran By Night) kay didto pwede magsigeg lalis... pwede pa mo join kay kamolo pag silag lalis hehehe.


Bilib jud pud ko nimo Dre. Hahaha namuot ko sa TBN maayo bitaw mo join didto. Ok pud ning TB kay malinaw na gani ta sa kalit lang naay napud gubot mao ni dili boring diri.

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #49 on: September 30, 2010, 10:25:13 PM »
Jesus said to the first disciples, "Come, see for yourself."

The rest is history...

To those who heed the call, they left everything and followed Jesus... not just to the different towns and villages but followed him to the end. All of them eventually died for the faith that Jesus initially planted in them.

The rest is history... we learned in Scriptures that those who chose to stay in the dark, and missed out on the Lord's invitation, eventually were responsible, or were partly responsible, for his rejection and eventual death.

In short, there were those who heard the call and there were those who chose to continue their old ways. The faith is never forced on anyone. But to those who chose to "put on Christ" must "clothe themselves in Christ" (meaning, there are rules to follow and doctrines to adhere to). And that job was clearly given to Peter, the "rock" upon which He will build his Church, to the Apostles... and in turn to the Holy Mother Church, the dispenser of the mysteries of faith... without which I don't know what kind of chaos we would be in.

Was the Church perfect in its administration over the course of many centuries? No. Far from it. It a society composed of imperfect human beings. There were dark ages in Church history as well as renaissances, give and take. And yet, nothing can take the fact the our Church has the Apostolic succcession (tradition) that goes back the 12 and ultimately to the Lord himself. 

To this day, the offer still stands... pero wa jud na ipugos, whether you agree or not with the Church's stand on many issues affecting the lives of its members.

But if you claim to be a Catholic, it's not a matter off democracy, or, what they call nowadays as Christian consumerism (kamoy magbuot kung unsay inyong tohoan o dili). The Church always stands for what is right and what she believes as Christ-like. Nothing more. Nothing less.

In short, kung ang usa ka tawo wa mooyon sa barogana sa Simbahang Katoliko, pwede man adto mo join sa TBN (Tagbilaran By Night) kay didto pwede magsigeg lalis... pwede pa mo join kay kamolo pag silag lalis hehehe.


whew!  finally, nahuwasan ko.  after going through the pages in this thread, this is the answer i've been waiting for.  if i may borrow ms da binsi's expression--- i like it!  thanks, fr. chic, for simplifying faith and church tradition in terms that any layman can understand if he chooses to.  (may i copy this for my personal notes?)



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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #50 on: September 30, 2010, 10:26:48 PM »
Jesus said to the first disciples, "Come, see for yourself."

The rest is history...

To those who heed the call, they left everything and followed Jesus... not just to the different towns and villages but followed him to the end. All of them eventually died for the faith that Jesus initially planted in them.

The rest is history... we learned in Scriptures that those who chose to stay in the dark, and missed out on the Lord's invitation, eventually were responsible, or were partly responsible, for his rejection and eventual death.

In short, there were those who heard the call and there were those who chose to continue their old ways. The faith is never forced on anyone. But to those who chose to "put on Christ" must "clothe themselves in Christ" (meaning, there are rules to follow and doctrines to adhere to). And that job was clearly given to Peter, the "rock" upon which He will build his Church, to the Apostles... and in turn to the Holy Mother Church, the dispenser of the mysteries of faith... without which I don't know what kind of chaos we would be in.

Was the Church perfect in its administration over the course of many centuries? No. Far from it. It a society composed of imperfect human beings. There were dark ages in Church history as well as renaissances, give and take. And yet, nothing can take the fact the our Church has the Apostolic succcession (tradition) that goes back the 12 and ultimately to the Lord himself. 

To this day, the offer still stands... pero wa jud na ipugos, whether you agree or not with the Church's stand on many issues affecting the lives of its members.

But if you claim to be a Catholic, it's not a matter off democracy, or, what they call nowadays as Christian consumerism (kamoy magbuot kung unsay inyong tohoan o dili). The Church always stands for what is right and what she believes as Christ-like. Nothing more. Nothing less.

In short, kung ang usa ka tawo wa mooyon sa barogana sa Simbahang Katoliko, pwede man adto mo join sa TBN (Tagbilaran By Night) kay didto pwede magsigeg lalis... pwede pa mo join kay kamolo pag silag lalis hehehe.



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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #51 on: September 30, 2010, 10:28:43 PM »
Spartybabes, nagkadungan man tag klik ug post..bravozimouz.. ;)

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #52 on: September 30, 2010, 10:50:15 PM »

hahaha, scarbzy migs, unsaon pareha man tag vibes.  kagiron ug hubon akitch,  ikaw fud vah?  unta!;D

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #53 on: September 30, 2010, 10:52:40 PM »
@ Spartybabes, kaspahon rakog alimpow preha ra na  ;D

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« Reply #54 on: September 30, 2010, 10:57:53 PM »
Sa totoo lang nahan kaau kog si Pads Chic na ang mo post labina sa mga topic nga delicate,
   "makabuhig patay" ija post ug may unod pah..♥ it Fro..!

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« Reply #55 on: September 30, 2010, 10:58:41 PM »

paskang... kun sa tagalog pa, kayo talaga... lupig gihapon ko ni idol kong scabies, ehe, scarbzy.  super para nako hinoon kun kitang duha na lang ang punoon ug ulo, hihihik.

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« Reply #56 on: September 30, 2010, 11:02:29 PM »
paskang... kun sa tagalog pa, kayo talaga... lupig gihapon ko ni idol kong scabies, ehe, scarbzy.  super para nako hinoon kun kitang duha na lang ang punoon ug ulo, hihihik.

Punoon ug korikongon? MangaZizi atong bagol² ana? Naa bay kaju-Ang sa ulo nga dako?  tyahahaha

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #57 on: October 01, 2010, 01:08:20 AM »
Hahahaha pareglahan na sad ko ninyo dah hahahaha.  ;D But thanks for the little complement. Bitaw, dili mana ako woi, mao man lang sad na akong pagsabot sa mga pagtulun-an sa atong simbahan, sama sad ninyo. Like most of us here I'm also, or, just a student of life. Daghan pa sad ko wa masabti... pero sama sa panultion, we're always on a search... for whatever, whether it be answers to life's questions, search for peace and happiness, search for truth, wisdom, etc. Pwede pod search pamalit og ice candy or manok BBQ (little dinero lang god).  ;D

And along the way we stumble a lot. But our faith gives us the assurance, or reassurance, that "somewhere out there" (dili tong kanta ha?  ;D), there is a God who loves us and cares about us (who even died for us)... which is truly a beautiful thought. And we put faith in that thought or promise. Simple as that (or is it?).

Pero naa baya poy laing mga ideals or world-views that think otherwise or something else (other that the Christian thought) sama sa nagkalain-laing mga world religions, communists, atheist (nga lain sag mga pangutok kay sa atoa)... Well, mao man sad nay ilang panan-aw sa kinabuhi or how they explain their worldly existence, so wa pod tay mahimo. Lain-lain baya ning mga panan-aw o panabot nato aning kalibutana and we simply live by it (our faith system) that we think is meaningful to us or make sense to us... because it's what we think gives meaning (purpose) to our life or existence.

Ug usbon ko, as Christians or Roman Catholics, mao man sad ni dagan sa atong pangutok... so kung dili ta ganahan sa panan-aw nga Katoliko, aw, naa pa man poy daghang selection sa MENU sa kinabuhi and we're free to choose what fits our personality, attitude or outlook. But don't claim to be Catholics when in reality you really believe otherwise.

Personally, I have great respect for people of other beliefs/faith (atheists included) when they live their lives out of conviction. In fact, I have friends from the Eastern Bloc countries (e.g. Czeck Republic, Croatia) who are "atheists by birth" but are the most wonderful people you could ever meet... and they are just as respectful to the Catholic faith, sometimes, even better than some people who claim to be Catholics hahahaha. Mor pa!!!  ;D

Anyway, thanks Bran (TB's official Catholic Defender), day RAQ (for your down-to-earth-ness), Islander (yes you can keep the note for your file) & Scarbz (Scarb-ramouche2x will you do the pandango! Bitaw woi ingon raman ang Simbahan kanang natural gamita kay mas lamian, jok jok jok  ;D... labi nag adto sa huNasaN sa Anda maghimog bata (AyUgZ!!!))  :P



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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #58 on: October 01, 2010, 02:27:17 AM »
You are more than welcome, Father Lungay. And as a Roman Catholic Priest, your presence in Tubag Bohol Dot Com brings a sense of sanctity to this site. Your thoughts made into words upholds the faith of many of us Catholics, the Wisdom that you have posted is the manifestation of the Holy Spirit in your life as well is seen in the lives of many of us. Your explanation truly illustrates the stance of the Roman Catholic Church in all things, there is no forcing anything, but there is the provision of Sacred Scripture as well as Tradition to those who are willing and open to hear them.

I will end this with this statement:


For two thousand years, the Roman Catholic Church has upheld Sacred Truths and has been pivotal for the dispensation of Faith, and has been absolutely instrumental throughout Salvation History. The Church wrote the Holy Bible , as equal and part of Sacred Tradition, which both complete and make up Sacred Truths in regards to Christian Faith. Empires have risen and fallen, Emperors and Kings alike have risen to power and fallen in death, nations have risen to power and fallen, but the Roman Catholic Church has withstood all of the challenges She has faced. She continues to be a guiding light and the provider of Christian Truth and a light towards Salvation in Christ.

I am not afraid to call myself a Roman Catholic. And yes, many around the globe are not afraid to stand up for Her, and Protect Her.

God Bless the Holy Roman Catholic Church. Not even the gates of hell can overrun Her. Christ promises this so. :)

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #59 on: October 01, 2010, 02:39:44 AM »
Hahahaha pareglahan na sad ko ninyo dah hahahaha.  ;D But thanks for the little complement. Bitaw, dili mana ako woi, mao man lang sad na akong pagsabot sa mga pagtulun-an sa atong simbahan, sama sad ninyo. Like most of us here I'm also, or, just a student of life. Daghan pa sad ko wa masabti... pero sama sa panultion, we're always on a search... for whatever, whether it be answers to life's questions, search for peace and happiness, search for truth, wisdom, etc. Pwede pod search pamalit og ice candy or manok BBQ (little dinero lang god).  ;D

And along the way we stumble a lot. But our faith gives us the assurance, or reassurance, that "somewhere out there" (dili tong kanta ha?  ;D), there is a God who loves us and cares about us (who even died for us)... which is truly a beautiful thought. And we put faith in that thought or promise. Simple as that (or is it?).

Pero naa baya poy laing mga ideals or world-views that think otherwise or something else (other that the Christian thought) sama sa nagkalain-laing mga world religions, communists, atheist (nga lain sag mga pangutok kay sa atoa)... Well, mao man sad nay ilang panan-aw sa kinabuhi or how they explain their worldly existence, so wa pod tay mahimo. Lain-lain baya ning mga panan-aw o panabot nato aning kalibutana and we simply live by it (our faith system) that we think is meaningful to us or make sense to us... because it's what we think gives meaning (purpose) to our life or existence.

Ug usbon ko, as Christians or Roman Catholics, mao man sad ni dagan sa atong pangutok... so kung dili ta ganahan sa panan-aw nga Katoliko, aw, naa pa man poy daghang selection sa MENU sa kinabuhi and we're free to choose what fits our personality, attitude or outlook. But don't claim to be Catholics when in reality you really believe otherwise.

Personally, I have great respect for people of other beliefs/faith (atheists included) when they live their lives out of conviction. In fact, I have friends from the Eastern Bloc countries (e.g. Czeck Republic, Croatia) who are "atheists by birth" but are the most wonderful people you could ever meet... and they are just as respectful to the Catholic faith, sometimes, even better than some people who claim to be Catholics hahahaha. Mor pa!!!  ;D

Anyway, thanks Bran (TB's official Catholic Defender), day RAQ (for your down-to-earth-ness), Islander (yes you can keep the note for your file) & Scarbz (Scarb-ramouche2x will you do the pandango! Bitaw woi ingon raman ang Simbahan kanang natural gamita kay mas lamian, jok jok jok  ;D... labi nag adto sa huNasaN sa Anda maghimog bata (AyUgZ!!!))  :P



Hehehe, Faith truly is something that cannot be explained, but for those who have it and understand its effect, know that it is Truth unrivaled.

Just as the water buffalo , the grazing zebra, the wildebeest come back to the plains of Serengeti (Africa) every year, our faith in Christ is similar. These grazing herbivores come back to this place because of instict, knowing that the rainy seasons brings much needed green grass, fresh cool water to drink and the environment to raise their young until the coming of the dry season. This relationship can be translated as faith, in the fact that these animals traverse back to the Serengeti even during the dry season and wait till the coming of the rains. Normally, no animal would traverse back to an area without presence of sustenance (water, green leaves), but these animals do so. Because they they see beyond the eyes. They have faith of the coming of the rain. This is similar, in symbolic sense, to the Christian's (Catholic/Orthodox and Protestant; mind you Catholics are also Christian!!!! hehehe!!!); we cannot see Christ physically (perhaps in the form of Eucharistic Adoration) but we know that Christ is there with us. Is here with us, in our pains, in our joys, whatever circumstance it may be, we know that He is there with us. We know that when we die, we will be judged accordingly according to our faith and according to our deeds. We know that the darkness of death is not eternal, but only a phase, for we believe (and thus, KNOW) that Salvation is ours , for those who live and die in Christ....

We cannot physically see salvation, but we know it is there, we know we have it, we know that we are called to it. Just as the grazing herbivores know that the rains will come in the Serengeti, know that the dry season will disappear with the coming of the flooding , life-giving rain.

God In His Incomparable Brilliance makes His presence known every day.
It is up to  man to either continue to war with him or embrace His Love and Come to His loving Bosom.



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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #60 on: October 01, 2010, 02:46:13 AM »
Just as the water buffalo , the grazing zebra, the wildebeest come back to the plains of Serengeti (Africa) every year, our faith in Christ is similar. These grazing herbivores come back to this place because of instict, knowing that the rainy seasons brings much needed green grass, fresh cool water to drink and the environment to raise their young until the coming of the dry season.
We cannot physically see salvation, but we know it is there, we know we have it, we know that we are called to it. Just as the grazing herbivores know that the rains will come in the Serengeti, know that the dry season will disappear with the coming of the flooding , life-giving rain.

Hinan-awon jud nig Animal Planet ning Katolikoha, bwahahaha!!!  ;D



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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #61 on: October 01, 2010, 02:51:25 AM »
mohinay naman gud ilang kita sa bunyag kay di na man kaayo magsige ug panganak ang mga bana ug asawa.

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« Reply #62 on: October 01, 2010, 02:52:38 AM »
Hinan-awon jud nig Animal Planet ning Katolikoha, bwahahaha!!!  ;D



;)

Father Lungay, for me, I find no discord between Science and Catholic Faith. In my opinion lang, our understanding of science (which is quite minimal) gives man an idea of how God works His Brilliance amongst the Universe. We can never come to fully understand Him and His Ways.
He is our Creator, and we His beloved creation.

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« Reply #63 on: October 01, 2010, 03:10:00 AM »

 we cannot see Christ physically (perhaps in the form of Eucharistic Adoration) but we know that Christ is there with us.


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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #64 on: October 01, 2010, 08:19:42 AM »
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Father Lungay, for me, I find no discord between Science and Catholic Faith. In my opinion lang, our understanding of science (which is quite minimal) gives man an idea of how God works His Brilliance amongst the Universe. We can never come to fully understand Him and His Ways.
He is our Creator, and we His beloved creation.

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #65 on: October 01, 2010, 08:33:52 AM »
Pops, ajaw oy. Ma uwaw man ko ron.  :-[

Now, how are those Louisianan Soft Shelled Crabs nowadays?

I'm craving shellfish/crabs now. Hahahaha :P

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #66 on: October 01, 2010, 08:40:53 AM »
Pops, ajaw oy. Ma uwaw man ko ron.  :-[

Now, how are those Louisianan Soft Shelled Crabs nowadays?

I'm craving shellfish/crabs now. Hahahaha :P

According to the locals they are still good to go!!!  :D

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #67 on: October 01, 2010, 09:23:10 AM »
As with all major religions, it's a numbers game. 
I'm dubious that even the religious texts support their argument: relating it to the story Onan is arguably wrong, in that God was angry at him for spiting his brother rather than for refusing to procreate, i.e. the intent rather than the act was punished.

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #68 on: October 01, 2010, 09:26:22 AM »
and how come there are priests who have kids?

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #70 on: October 01, 2010, 09:45:21 AM »
and how come there are priests who have kids?

Why not? Naa man gani "siguro" ka (LoL). Aw, basin pog ni sunod ni San Pedro nga duna say pamilya ug mga anak. O di gani basin sa Mahal nga Birhen.... unya iya anak end up being the Messiah. You'll never know, hehehe. But kidding aside, I don't understand what has it to do with the topic at hand. If it does, aw, that says a lot nganong di pod sila ganahan ug artificial family planning... please read in between lines  ;D

The real story is... celibacy (not being married) is a precept (mind you, not a doctrine) in the Latin Rite (meaning, Roman Catholics) for her priests. Mao ni siya atong naandan, nga ang mga pari di jud maminyo. But in the other 12 or 13 other Catholic Rites, Catholic priests have the option to stay celibate or get married. Di lang ta suheto ani kay wa or gamay raman mga Eastern Rite Catholics sa ato. But if you live in Greece, Syria, some parts of Russia, allowed man mag minyo ang mga pari.

But to answer the question "Nganong naa may mga anak ubang mga pari?" Aw, unsa paman diay... nituna bisag way langaw sa basakan."  ;D

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« Reply #71 on: October 01, 2010, 12:03:26 PM »
Tawo ra baya pud ning pari naay kasing kasing nga huyang nga usahay matintal labi na ug kusog pud tong manintal.

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« Reply #72 on: October 01, 2010, 12:34:34 PM »
 Maid, Miadto sa kumbento kai gisugo sa iyang amo nga tua sa abroad nga pa bindisyunan ang iyang iro nga namatay before ipalubong.
 Maid: Padre gisugo ko sa akong amo nga pa bindisyunan kuno tong iyang iro nga namatay before ilubong!
 Pare: DAKO KAAYO AG TINGOG..Naunsa kah! Waba mo malipong? Iro pa bindisyunan? Dayon lakaw.
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 Pare: AW! Waman ka moingon nga KATOLIKO diay ang inyong iro! Na hala asa man ang iro kai akong bendisyunan! :D :D :D

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #73 on: October 01, 2010, 01:20:17 PM »
and how come there are priests who have kids?

Mao ni siguro ning mga Pari-a ang "not against Family Planning"  ;D Bwhahahahahahaha.....! Unsaon naa man poy mga gwafa nga Inday nga snoopy kaajo kon unsa ang ilawom sa sutana...mao na!  ;)

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« Reply #74 on: October 01, 2010, 03:28:36 PM »
Maid, Miadto sa kumbento kai gisugo sa iyang amo nga tua sa abroad nga pa bindisyunan ang iyang iro nga namatay before ipalubong.
 Maid: Padre gisugo ko sa akong amo nga pa bindisyunan kuno tong iyang iro nga namatay before ilubong!
 Pare: DAKO KAAYO AG TINGOG..Naunsa kah! Waba mo malipong? Iro pa bindisyunan? Dayon lakaw.
 Maid: Misinggit, pero DRE! Unsaon nalang ring iyang gipadala nga 1 thousand dollar para sa bendisyon?
 Pare: AW! Waman ka moingon nga KATOLIKO diay ang inyong iro! Na hala asa man ang iro kai akong bendisyunan! :D :D :D

hahahahaha ;D bleh :P

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« Reply #75 on: October 01, 2010, 05:29:52 PM »
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Amen! Simply do the natural way....

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« Reply #76 on: October 01, 2010, 06:14:46 PM »
Maid, Miadto sa kumbento kai gisugo sa iyang amo nga tua sa abroad nga pa bindisyunan ang iyang iro nga namatay before ipalubong.
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 Maid: Misinggit, pero DRE! Unsaon nalang ring iyang gipadala nga 1 thousand dollar para sa bendisyon?
 Pare: AW! Waman ka moingon nga KATOLIKO diay ang inyong iro! Na hala asa man ang iro kai akong bendisyunan! :D :D :D

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« Reply #77 on: October 01, 2010, 07:30:01 PM »
Catholic church is not against Family planning  ???
If it is for the good of the family and to their children as husband and wife there where no problem on that.
Family planning is good in fact the church taught those couples by requiring them to attain a seminar before the acceptance of the holy sacrament of marriage.  What the church are against on the artificial contraceptives as part of family planning.



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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #78 on: October 01, 2010, 09:56:14 PM »
Catholic church is not against Family planning  ???
If it is for the good of the family and to their children as husband and wife there where no problem on that.
Family planning is good in fact the church taught those couples by requiring them to attain a seminar before the acceptance of the holy sacrament of marriage.  What the church are against on the artificial contraceptives as part of family planning.



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« Reply #79 on: October 01, 2010, 10:35:28 PM »
well, i know a lot of people are brainwashed by the church by giving them false hopes. there are plenty of conflicts within the bible. but we are being threatened that if we will question the integrity of the bible, we go to eternal damnation. who will not get scared of that?

the church cannot prove most, if not some, that is written in the bible, that's why they force to introduce to us what we call "faith" - just accept it as it is and no questions.

science has been in conflict with the findings and in constantly in conflict with the church. but science is in conflict with one another due to the new facts, new findings and new technology that they keep on rebutting their own conclusion. and this is one major basis of the church to deny the science' claim on how the universe was created.

aren't you also brainwashed?  against the church?


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