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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #120 on: October 05, 2010, 01:37:48 AM »
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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #121 on: October 05, 2010, 01:51:53 AM »
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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #122 on: October 05, 2010, 03:00:29 AM »
I say cut the mans nuts...not the woman's tubes or uterus out as this way he is less likely to fool around....and this way she still keeps her organs that produce her balance of hormones. Vasectomy only takes a snip here and a snip there and a tuck and sew....and about 15 minutes and voila!!! ;D

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #123 on: October 05, 2010, 03:39:35 AM »
Natural Family planning does not help in the growing problem of population explotion. Whats the big fuzz about the RH bill? does it talk about abortion as a family planning method?  Why is the catholic church againts RH bill?

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #124 on: October 05, 2010, 03:45:11 AM »
Natural Family Planning has come a long a way (panahon pa ni mampor ni!!!). Not only does it meet the church's moral standard (its catholic church moral standard it doesn't speak for the entire christian church) for spacing births, it keeps a marriage going.. - this line is completely irrelevant. Kay ngano ug mogamit ta ug artificial method it will not keep the marriage going?





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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #125 on: October 07, 2010, 05:49:49 PM »
bwahahahahahahahahahaha....

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #126 on: October 07, 2010, 05:58:40 PM »
Mitungä raman kag kalit unja nawala dayon? Mora gali nasipyat niy ai nyahahaha

Bwahaha! Nasipyat nga dili ang bag-ong takoban ang gigamit? Hmm... Kinsa kaha diay...  ???

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #127 on: October 07, 2010, 06:07:49 PM »
Bwahaha! Nasipyat nga dili ang bag-ong takoban ang gigamit? Hmm... Kinsa kaha diay...  ???

Nalipat sa kabhang?  :-X

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #128 on: October 07, 2010, 06:10:06 PM »
The question is....Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?

No, the Philippine Catholic Church is not against Family Planning. The Catholic Church is promoting the Natural Family Planning. I said no because I am one of the lecturers about Natural Family Planning in our Parish.

Actually, not only the Catholic Church is against the artificial family planning but all other Christian Communities.



this is a very intelligent posting, salamat!

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #129 on: October 07, 2010, 07:44:21 PM »
mas familiar kog limba rok. ;D

Sama ka-familiar nimo sa a tay, bi kog ug kole ra?  ;D

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #130 on: October 07, 2010, 07:56:51 PM »
Sama ka-familiar nimo sa atay, bikog ug kolera?  ;D


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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #132 on: October 21, 2010, 02:42:49 AM »
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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #133 on: October 21, 2010, 04:57:53 AM »
Bwahahaha!!! Saonz na lang....  ;D Very smart baya pod na commercial hehehehe

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #134 on: October 21, 2010, 05:34:46 AM »
kauban na nga video sa RHBill campaign  :-X

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #135 on: October 21, 2010, 05:51:36 AM »
kauban na nga video sa RHBill campaign  :-X

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #136 on: October 21, 2010, 07:42:01 AM »
Maybe someone can enlighten me.

Say there is a married couple who want to space births or avoid having another child for health reasons.  What would be sinful about using artificial methods to do this?  We use artificial medical technology daily to improve the quality of our lives in other areas, why not in this? 

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #137 on: October 21, 2010, 10:03:41 PM »
Maybe someone can enlighten me.

Say there is a married couple who want to space births or avoid having another child for health reasons.  What would be sinful about using artificial methods to do this?  We use artificial medical technology daily to improve the quality of our lives in other areas, why not in this? 

i hope dina jala will visit tb and answer mr ben's thoughtful question.  as a trained parish lecturer on natural family planning, she may know the proper answer to this question, especially as regards the "sinfulness", if at all, of using artificial methods.  and it would also be interesting to have fr. chic's and lorenzo's thoughts on this, too. 

as for the use of artificial medical technology in other areas, my own take is that it is because this is used to support life, not to obstruct or prohibit it.

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #138 on: October 22, 2010, 05:35:26 AM »
I wish I knew the answer to this issue. When I was a student of moral theology 25 plus years ago we tackled questions similar to what Ben raised on this thread and I can tell you the stand of both the teaching Magisterium (official teaching of the Catholic Church) as well as those who oppose or question it's applicability (even from the ranks of Catholic bishops, e.g. Canadian Bishops' Conference, and/or of some Catholic theologians). But key to understanding the Church's stand on this issue is the word "natural." As long as it is natural... the Church doesn't have any problem with it. I just hope somebody can appease the curiosity/query of those who seek "sincere" enlightenment per this issue surrounding Natural Family Planning.

Here's a little link for those interested to read more..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_family_planning

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #139 on: October 30, 2010, 02:05:17 AM »
I disagree because we don't have really a ground about this unless they said so, however,  I don't fully understand why church must against about family planning. We ought to know that we are one of the most populated country and we are in the list of the poorest country ( not on the top though, luckily). We should atleast look at the street children that we can see around wandering in the streets most especially in Manila is too alarming for us, Filipinos. It hurts me seeing those children begging and stealing just to survive. The question must be, why doesn't the church help those poor people. Of course, they do but not enough though. As for me family planning is good to conrol the population. From the word family planning is so obvious that it doesn't involve killing life. This does mean to plan and need to control the number of children by using the contraceptives. Does this mean abortion? Well, abortion must be NO NO NO but family planning...ohhh pleaseeeeee. Let's wake up!!!! Or let's weak up? Although the fact that it is not very open to the public conversation, I'm 100 percent sure that many among of us are using those contraceptives. I can give you example. Ive got brother and sister and they both have children of 4 and 5 and they are struggling every now and then to supply the needs of their children just the basic needs, just immagine. I really feel sorry to see these children and if it is a sin to tell them to use contraceptives then I condemn myself. I just  pray that God will forgive me because I can't just bear to see these children who needs a better life.

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #140 on: October 30, 2010, 06:05:22 AM »
Morality aside, lami unta kung makapugong pa lang unta tas atong "uwag" (hahaha coined as man's most difficult passion) kay mao jud nay sinugdanan aning isyuha. Kung dunay moingon nga "how about self control?" moingon man pod kasagaran, "soloha!" or "sayon ras istorya." Easier said than done, 'ika nga. Basta lagi mag-istorya nag lami (Check the Cebuano dictionary, it defines sex as "lami nga di ika pangagda, bwahaha ;D ;D ;D Saonz na lang)... "all rules collapse!!!" ;D Kalimtan tanan, in other words.

Sa tinuod, mao man jod nay pinakasayon ug pinaka safe para ma control ang over-population ug STDs sa kalibutan... fast and abstinence. And you can only ask yourself the big question, "Ikaw, sugot ka?" Of course not!!!

And so people try to find another loophole or something/someone to point finger to (i.e., to blame). Siempre, it's the easiest way to do, esp. pointing finger to an institution (Church) teaching something that doesn't agree with our "free-willing" ways. Hayahaya mag mo point finger tas atong kaugalingon  ;D. Ug siempre, mo pabor jud tas mga niuyon sa atong "point of view" and the government or our secular usually runs in our favor... so moboto jud tas ilang stand.

Well, kung dili mo Christiano o wa magsunod sa tudlo ni Kristo... yes, there are many other options available/for the taking... and you can follow it to your heart's desire. Wa jod nuoy magbuot.

But if we claim to be Christians (let me say it in Bisaya kay mas bug-at paminawon "kung nag patoo-too ta nga mga Kristiano") following a certain teaching (that of Christ, and His Church) aw, sakit jud tinuod sundon... apan kini nagsunod man god ug pamaagi or prinsipyo nga naka base sa "NATURAL LAW." Or shall we say, natural order of things. It's not a matter of right or wrong... it's not a teaching based sa point of view sa uban. It's HOW this particular religion sees what it right or moral. So anything, done to "mess up" or however you call it (interfere ba o unsa) with the natural order (that makes it unnatural or artificial, e.g. artificial contraceptives, artificial machines to prolong life, abortion, etc)... aw, mao poy iyang nakita or gihimong pagtulun-an sa iyang moral teaching as disorder, unnatural, immoral or even sinful. Dili man pod sakto mohatag kag pagtulun-an (teachings) that goes against the principles that you adhere to - tungod lang kay magpauyon kas imong mga masupilong sumusunod hehehe. Then I wouldn't want that kind of religion (kay dili firm or balimbing or depende sa dagan sa hangin, bwahaha). Ma mora napod nig politics nga mapalit hehehehe.  ;D

Ergo, the Church teaches what it is supposed to teach...

Whether nasunod nas iyang mga sumusunod or not... that's where the issue is.

So, ayaw na lang pag handum nga mausob pa ang pagtulun-an sa Simbahan or not. Morag di jud na moabot. I guess, there could only be one truth and that's what the Church sees as truth... and so mao sab na ang iyang ipanudlo, and nothing else.  :D

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #141 on: October 30, 2010, 06:25:32 AM »
Saludo..! but plz. allow me to say; bikog..Kabog hee³ (jaga² rah)  ;D

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #142 on: October 30, 2010, 06:38:33 AM »
Saludo..! but plz. allow me to say; bikog..Kabog hee³ (jaga² rah)  ;D

Naa say kabog maayo mo sawom ahihihi...  Lupig nokos, bwahahaha... My lips are sealed :-X


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« Reply #143 on: October 30, 2010, 08:21:28 AM »
I will give my view on the matter as soon as I fully discern completely what I have to say.

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #144 on: November 03, 2010, 08:59:01 AM »
i think it all boils down to this fear of the church: family planning = decline of overpopulation. less people = less believers. less believers = less contribution of the people for the church.

*contribution can either be financial or faith

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #145 on: November 03, 2010, 10:14:40 AM »
any second or spilt of the second after the fertilization occur in a womans womb. it's a mortal sin to stop the fertilization it's definitely an abortion! beware and be aware!

use condom! it's safe and still you can enjoy sex! all in all it's in your mind. meyn! 

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« Reply #147 on: November 03, 2010, 01:19:24 PM »
i think it all boils down to this fear of the church: family planning = decline of overpopulation. less people = less believers. less believers = less contribution of the people for the church.

*contribution can either be financial or faith

OMG! Whew! whatta fertile mind you possess dudes!

LOR, thanks! my regards.....

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #148 on: November 09, 2010, 03:06:14 AM »
I was watching iba-balita of studio 23 last night and their topic was about RH bill where their guest was bishop Bishop Deogracias S. Iñiguez who is the Chairman of the Permanent Committee on Public Affairs (PCPA) of CBCP. According to Bishop Iñiguez, the church is against the RH Bill simply because it's not within the church teachings. According to Manila Archbishop Julio Cardinal Rosales that those people who are supporting the RH bill are morally lost.



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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #150 on: December 03, 2010, 08:38:01 AM »

kining storyaha murag hubag sa lubot, nga wa matambawi og tarong, kay usahay mobalik, usahay nawa pod.  ;D

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #151 on: December 03, 2010, 08:41:26 AM »
OMG! Whew! whatta fertile mind you possess dudes!

LOR, thanks! my regards.....

Buwad, Regards too! Oy Advanced Merry Christmas!

kining storyaha murag hubag sa lubot, nga wa matambawi og tarong, kay usahay mobalik, usahay nawa pod.  ;D

In cases like this, it is best to aspirate. :P

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #152 on: December 03, 2010, 02:15:39 PM »
hahaaha! the thing is with or without the RH bill people are doing birth control thru contraceptives. you'l not be thrown to prison if you buy a comdom! whatta heck?

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #153 on: December 08, 2010, 01:19:45 AM »
hahaaha! the thing is with or without the RH bill people are doing birth control thru contraceptives. you'l not be thrown to prison if you buy a comdom! whatta heck?

abi kog ang mangawat og komdom sa tindahan maoy ma-priso, wad, ang mopalit na diay hinoon. hehehehe

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #154 on: December 08, 2010, 01:21:24 AM »
In cases like this, it is best to aspirate. :P

 ;D ;D ;D...can they do it by mouth? ewwwweee

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #155 on: December 08, 2010, 01:36:16 AM »
;D ;D ;D...can they do it by mouth? ewwwweee

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Hey Glace...nawla si HB unja mitunga dajon ka...(verdächtig)  :-X

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #156 on: December 08, 2010, 01:39:26 AM »
churvah whahaha³

Hey Glace...nawla si HB unja mitunga dajon ka...(verdächtig)  :-X


he probably needed to lay low. knowing i came back, he did like what John the Baptist did to Jesus, "he must decrease and i must increase." hahahaha

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #157 on: December 08, 2010, 01:51:40 AM »

he probably needed to lay low. knowing i came back, he did like what John the Baptist did to Jesus, "he must decrease and i must increase." hahahaha

might be d' reason why oh why but still its "verdächtig" ~ e-google na nga word (silot)..whoaa

P.S: i allow myself to give U a little bit "silot" (w/out ur permission of course) ky gibitin mi nimo kon nakatampo na ba ka ni Netla..,
       basin imoha tong dunggan,tumoy or tipak sa ijang gisabak..bwahahaha..miss yah   :P

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #158 on: December 08, 2010, 02:31:25 AM »
might be d' reason why oh why but still its "verdächtig" ~ e-google na nga word (silot)..whoaa

P.S: i allow myself to give U a little bit "silot" (w/out ur permission of course) ky gibitin mi nimo kon nakatampo na ba ka ni Netla..,
       basin imoha tong dunggan,tumoy or tipak sa ijang gisabak..bwahahaha..miss yah   :P

hahahaha wa koy mahimo ana og mag-verdächtig ka. ug bahin ni Nethla ako nang tiwason...ako pa lang gihimas-himas ang bawjot sa akong kagahapon aron mabati pa nako ang milabayng mga kasinatian, una pa nako kini ipasundayag sa bilahan sa tb.  ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Why is the Philippine Catholic Church Against Family Planning?
« Reply #159 on: December 09, 2010, 03:41:03 PM »
di na kailangan yong BILL nayan,,kailangan yong paano ma educate yong mga tao,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,daming batas batin karamihan di alam,,,,,,anong silbe,,,??

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