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By PHILIP BOWRING
Wall Street Journal

The conflict between the Philippines and China over the Scarborough Shoal may seem to be a minor dispute over an uninhabitable rock and the surrounding waters. But it is hugely important for future relations in the region because it showcases China's stubborn view that the histories of the non-Han peoples whose lands border two-thirds of the South China Sea are irrelevant. The only history that matters is that written by the Chinese and interpreted by Beijing.

The Philippine case for Scarborough is mostly presented as one of geography. The feature, known in Filipino as the Panatag Shoal and in Chinese as Huangyan Island, is some 130 nautical miles off the coast of Luzon, the largest island in the Philippine archipelago. It's well within the Philippines' Exclusive Economic Zone, which, as per the U.N. Law of the Sea Convention, extends 200 nautical miles off the coast. On the other hand, the shoal is roughly 350 miles from the mainland of China and 300 miles from the tip of Taiwan.

China avoids these inconvenient geographical facts and relies on historical half-truths that it applies to every feature it claims in the South China Sea. That's why it's now feuding with not just the Philippines, but other nations too. Beijing's famous U-shaped dotted line on its maps of the South China Sea defines territorial claims within the 200-mile limits of Malaysia, Vietnam, the Philippines and Brunei, and close to Indonesia's gas-rich Natuna Islands.

In the case of the Scarborough Shoal, China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs gives the historical justification that the feature is mentioned in a Chinese map from the 13th century—when China itself was under alien Mongol rule—resulting from the visit of a vessel from China. This "we were there first" argument is nonsense. Chinese sailors were latecomers to the South China Sea, to say nothing of onward trade to the Indian Ocean. The seafaring history of the region at least for the first millennium of the current era was dominated by the ancestors of today's Indonesians, Malaysians, Filipinos and (less directly) Vietnamese.

As China's own records reveal, when Chinese traveled from China to Sumatra and then on to Sri Lanka, they did so in Malay ships. This was not the least surprising given that during this era, Malay people from what is now Indonesia were the first colonizers of the world's third largest island, Madagascar, some 4,000 miles away. (The Madagascan language and 50% of its human gene pool are of Malay origin). They were crossing the Indian Ocean 1,000 years before the much-vaunted voyages of Chinese admiral Zheng He in the 15th century.

Malay seafaring prowess was later overtaken by south Indians and Arabs, but they remained the premier seafarers in Southeast Asia until the Europeans dominated the region. The Malay-speaking, Hindu-ized Cham seagoing empire of central Vietnam dominated South China Sea trade until it was conquered by the Vietnamese about the time the European traders began to arrive in Asia, while trade between Champa (present-day southern Vietnam) and Luzon was well established long before the Chinese drew their 13th century map.

The Scarborough Shoal, which lies not only close to the Luzon coast but on the direct route from Manila Bay to the ancient Cham ports of Hoi An and Qui Nhon, had to be known to Malay sailors. The Chinese claim to have "been there first" is then like arguing that Europeans got to Australia before its aboriginal inhabitants.

Another unsteady pillar in China's claim to the Scarborough Shoal is its reliance on the Treaty of Paris of 1898. This yielded Spanish sovereignty over the Philippine archipelago to the U.S. and drew straight lines on the map which left the shoal a few miles outside the longitudinal line defined by the treaty. China now conveniently uses this accord, which these two foreign powers arrived at without any input from the Philippine people, to argue that Manila has no claim.

The irony is that the Communist Party otherwise rejects "unequal treaties" imposed by Western imperialists, such as the McMahon line dividing India and Tibet. Does this mean Vietnam can claim all the Spratly Islands, because the French claimed them all and Hanoi has arguably inherited this claim?

China also asserts that because its case for ownership dates back to 1932, subsequent Philippine claims are invalid. In other words, it uses the fact that the Philippines was under foreign rule as a basis for its own claims.

Manila wants to resolve the matter under the U.N. Law of the Sea Convention, but Beijing argues that its 1932 claim isn't bound by the Convention, which came into effect in 1994 since it preceded it. That's a handy evasion, most probably because China knows its case for ownership is weak by the Convention's yardsticks.

China is making brazen assertions that rewrite history and take no account of geography. Today's naval arguments won't come to an end until the region's largest disputant stops rewriting the past.

Mr. Bowring is a Hong Kong-based journalist.

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Re: China's Claim on Island-owned Philippines Is Pure Bull-sh-it
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2012, 12:59:15 AM »
whew!  somewhere in this feature story is something that tempts me to believe that china does not belong to the hans but to the mongols.  jawohl! ;D

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« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2012, 01:03:11 AM »
seriously, i like this thoroughly researched article and the conclusions made by the writer.  he, at least, has the objectivity of an "outsider" who has background knowledge of history without the burden of chinese bias in its interpretation.

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Re: China's Claim on Island-owned Philippines Is Pure Bull-sh-it
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2012, 01:13:11 AM »
whew!  somewhere in this feature story is something that tempts me to believe that china does not belong to the hans but to the mongols.  jawohl! ;D

Morag nawong Mongos... di Bihon  ;D



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« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2012, 01:24:57 AM »

made in china ba kaha ning mongols gihapon? ;D

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« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2012, 01:30:35 AM »
Morag nawong Mongos... di Bihon  ;D

duol-duol nag tawgi... ;D



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« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2012, 11:33:45 AM »
whew!  somewhere in this feature story is something that tempts me to believe that china does not belong to the hans but to the mongols.  jawohl! ;D

Basta yellow ang kolor...

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« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2012, 11:37:20 AM »
The seafaring history of the region at least for the first millennium of the current era was dominated by the ancestors of today's Indonesians, Malaysians, Filipinos and (less directly) Vietnamese.

Yes, Srivijaya, the empire of my ancestors...

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« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2012, 12:52:24 PM »
Yes, Srivijaya, the empire of my ancestors...

jati ra.  niabot pa gyod sa dimiao ang ilang mga descendants?  pagkalaag ba uroy aning mga kaliwata. ;D

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« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2012, 01:12:04 PM »
The earliest solid proof of its existence dates from the 7th century; a Chinese monk, I-Tsing, wrote that he visited Srivijaya in 671 for 6 months. (wikipedia)

Srivijaya and by extension Sumatra had been known by different names to different peoples. The Chinese called it Sanfotsi or San Fo Qi, and there was an even older kingdom of Kantoli that could be considered the predecessor of Srivijaya. (wikipedia)


potential angkononon diay sa china ang indonesia, thailand ug cambodia.  kay nakaadto ang intsik as recorded in their history, ilaha ra ba kuno ang lugar. :P



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« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2012, 01:18:33 PM »
Yes, Srivijaya, the empire of my ancestors...
jati ra.  niabot pa gyod sa dimiao ang ilang mga descendants?  pagkalaag ba uroy aning mga kaliwata. ;D

By the twelfth century, the kingdom included parts of Sumatra, the Malay Peninsula, Western Java, Sulawesi, the Moluccas, Borneo and the Philippines, most notably the Sulu Archipelago and the Visayas islands (and indeed the latter island group, as well as its population, is named after the empire). (wikipedia)

okay, okay.  nakasabot na ko gamay...

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« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2012, 01:35:37 PM »
Actually, the majority of the Filipino people, the Malays of Malaysia and Indonesia are of Malay ancestry. The major difference between Filipinos, Malaysians and Indonesians is the religion. The predominant religion in the Philippines is Christianity, whereas Islam is the predominant religion of Malaysia and Indonesia. Besides that, they share the same ethnicity-- MALAY.

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« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2012, 01:39:30 PM »

potential angkononon diay sa china ang indonesia, thailand ug cambodia.  kay nakaadto ang intsik as recorded in their history, ilaha ra ba kuno ang lugar. :P


Hmmmm... delikado pod ang Bohol kay gilangyaw/gehupan pod sa mga intsik ang uban natong kalungsuran sama sa Balingsya... basin angkonon pod nila nig apil  ???

Kanang Dim Yao (kalolohan ni Yao Ming) morag naapil pod na sa ilang mapa sa 12th century  ;D

Pero di mosugot mga Amerkano kay madaot ang ilang trade route sa New America, Garcia-Hernandez ug sa U.S.A. (Unahan Sa Albur)  :P



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« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2012, 01:39:45 PM »

Malaysian King (Tuanku Mizan Zainal Abidin) and Royal Honor Guards


The King of Malaysia; he looks like he could be mistaken for a Filipino, in fact, he kind of looks like Nong Virgil  :P

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« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2012, 01:40:45 PM »
Hmmmm... delikado pod ang Bohol kay gilangyaw/gehupan pod sa mga intsik ang uban natong kalungsuran sama sa Balingsya... basin angkonon pod nila nig apil  ???

Kanang Dim Yao (kalolohan ni Yao Ming) morag naapil pod na sa ilang mapa sa 12th century  ;D

Pero di mosugot mga Amerkano kay madaot ang ilang trade route sa New America, Garcia-Hernandez ug sa U.S.A. (Unahan Sa Albur)  :P



ha ha ha ha! daghan baya mga tawo sa Valencia nga naay dugo Inchik. :P

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« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2012, 01:42:10 PM »

The King of Malaysia; he looks like he could be mistaken for a Filipino, in fact, he kind of looks like Nong Virgil  :P


Hehehehe modokdokay sad ning nawnga... TB member man jud tingale pod ni  ;D

TB = Tuanku A. Bidin  ;D

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« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2012, 01:43:05 PM »
He he he, na kuratan bitaw ko because The King of Malaysia kinda looks like Nong Virgil. Same Bigote style pod.  8)

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« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2012, 01:47:03 PM »
Basin ako nang long lost relative..

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« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2012, 01:48:12 PM »
Ha ha ha, kuyawa pod if he's your relative, Nong, of royal descent man diay ka.

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« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2012, 02:49:31 PM »
na-royal blood nang king tungod ni vrglguaps. ;D

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« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2012, 02:45:01 PM »
seriously, i like this thoroughly researched article and the conclusions made by the writer.  he, at least, has the objectivity of an "outsider" who has background knowledge of history without the burden of chinese bias in its interpretation.

Indeed. It's good that he holds some kind of objectivity in his writings. I'm sure that the CCP is cringing as they read his articles. :P

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« Reply #21 on: June 10, 2012, 04:56:31 PM »
jati ra.  niabot pa gyod sa dimiao ang ilang mga descendants?  pagkalaag ba uroy aning mga kaliwata. ;D

A race of seafarers, bolinaw ray gisaligan... ;D

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« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2012, 09:25:23 AM »
pero ang mga nawong morag pating ug ang mga baho morag sanga? ;D

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« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2012, 11:05:36 AM »
A race of seafarers, bolinaw ray gisaligan... ;D

Kung binisay-on pa, kaliwat lab-asero ug lab-asera (a.k.a. kings and queens)  ;D



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« Reply #24 on: June 11, 2012, 02:14:08 PM »
he he he, the people of Philippines, Malaysia and Indonesia are of ethnic Malay Stock. Combine the three countries together and you have some (250 million from Indonesia; 100 million from Philippines, 30 million from Malaysia) 380-400 million people. A combined Malay Nation would  be the 3rd most populous nation in the entire world, after China and India. Malays are actually a very ancient and populous race of people....



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