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Population Control: The Other Side
« on: October 04, 2010, 01:12:34 AM »
this thread is related to the rh bill threads that have been brewing these last few days, i.e. carlos 'damaso' celdran, excommunication, the catholic church being against family planning.

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"The problem of a rapidly increasing population," the government lamented, "lies at the core of every problem facing the administration."

These words might describe dozens of countries around the world today.  In fact, they were written in the 1950s about Hong Kong-- the same British colony that today has become a synonym for dynamism and development, with a per capita gross domestic product eclipsing Mother England's.  Indeed, at the very moment these government reports were being written, Hong Kong was on the cusp of a general Asian economic boom that would see real income per capita in Japan and the Four Tigers (Hong Kong, Singapore, Taiwan, and South Korea) quadruple from 1960 to 1985.  Though many observers felt as the American journalist John Robbins did in 1959, when he asserted that "Hong Kong's state of supersaturation" may be "a portent of things to come throughout Asia," the apocalypse they predicted never came to pass.  Instead, Hong Kong witnessed the greatest economic boom of its history, and now boasts a population of more than six million people-- about five times the number the Hong Kong government in 1954 declared to be its carrying "capacity."  

                                                 -William McGurn, First Things, Population and the Wealth of Nations
                                                   [Copyright (c) 1996 First Things 68 (December 1996): 22-25.]




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Re: Population Control: The Other Side
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2010, 01:30:42 AM »
...Amid all the headlines predicting famine and chaos, there appears an astounding paragraph written in 1957 by Isamu Shimura, the Japanese managing director of Toyo Menka Kaisha.  Inverting the usual way of looking at population and economics, he showed himself far more astute than many experts when he wrote:

Instead of thinking our population is too large for our economy, I believe it is more correct to say the scale of our economy is too small for our population.  Instead of surplus, unwanted persons, we should view our people as our most valuable natural resource.  This is not only the humane but the realistic view.  The Japanese people are hard-working, energetic, resourceful, with a high level of education, skills, and competence.  We are at the beginning of revolutionary industrial changes among which the recent achievements in synthetic chemistry and the potentialities in the peaceful use of atomic energy are mere portents.  These new discoveries indicate clearly that in the economy of the future, whose beginnings are already among us, the economic resources which count will not be natural ones but human-- intelligence, skill, and foresight.
                                                                                                                          -ditto-



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Re: Population Control: The Other Side
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2010, 01:38:14 AM »

This is not to say that population control has made no headway in Asia.  Pushed incessantly by figures like the World Bank's McNamara, the idea that nations could become rich only if they moved to control their population rates became an article of faith among Western and Western-educated intellectuals in Asia-- a faith backed up by aid dollars linked to the willingness of recipient countries to develop control measures.  In the Philippines, for example, the U.S. Agency for International Development obtained a provision in the Marcos-era constitution granting the state authority over population levels.  The Western missionary fervor once directed at Christianizing Asia has been channeled, in the second half of the twentieth century, into proselytizing for fewer Asians.  

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Re: Population Control: The Other Side
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2010, 01:47:21 AM »

The lesson Hong Kong teaches is that there is no fixed level of resources, no natural capacity, no predefined limit to what people might do if given the opportunity to exercise the real factors in development: enterprise, creativity, and risk.

For the Catholic Church in particular, Hong Kong stands as a sharp rebuke to the reigning zero-sum ethos of the   day-- and brings us back to the core of Catholic social teaching: the value of human life not only to its possessors but to their neighbors as well.  In the dismal abacus of our day, when a pig is born in China, national wealth goes up; when a child is born, it goes down.  Almost all the fervor for population control traces back to this premise, which reflects a theological confusion as much as an economic one, and it derives from the historical tendency of Western experts to see Asian peoples as mouths and not minds.  
                                                                     
                                                                                                                 -ditto-
             


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Re: Population Control: The Other Side
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2010, 01:53:47 AM »

In the case of population, the irony is that no serious market economist accepts the problem as defined, much less the proposed solutions.  Whatever their personal views on abortion or birth control as an individual preference, neither Milton Friedman or Gary Becker argue that societies need to curb population growth for development.  The more free-market the orientation of economists, the more they recognize that in an open economy individuals produce more than they consume.  
 
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Re: Population Control: The Other Side
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2010, 02:04:28 AM »

In my own profession of journalism it is common enough to deride economists as practitioners of the "dismal science."  Yet in most cases it is the economists who have maintained faith in human ingenuity and initiative and who have rejected counsels of despair and control.  The majority of them have never been found on the front lines of the movement for population control.  And the reason is that the best economists spend their lives emphasizing that economic life is not about numbers, but about the triumph of the human mind when given the freedom to innovate and respond.  It is the market economist who argues for hope, who points to creativity when others push for control, who recognizes that people are good, in a fundamental, real sense: assets, not liabilities.  

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Re: Population Control: The Other Side
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2010, 02:06:17 AM »
What an incredible thread, Isles. :)

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Re: Population Control: The Other Side
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2010, 02:22:12 AM »

It was this human capital that took a desperate refugee population in Hong Kong and turned it into a world-class financial center; this human capital that saw Japan and South Korea arise from the ashes of war; this human capital whose success in turning around centuries of poverty has led to what the World Bank calls "The East Asian Miracle."  And it is this philosophy of freedom that offers an answer, really the only answer, to the challenge posed to us by what John Paul II has so presciently recognized as a culture of death.

Certainly in a world where many still go hungry at night there is much to be done.  But instead of looking for ways to reduce the number of those seeking to take their place at the table, we should look for ways to eliminate the perverse policies that prevent a bigger banquet.  And here Adam Smith will prove a more gracious host than Thomas Malthus.  

                                                                                                                  -ditto-


William McGurn is Senior Editor of the Far Eastern Economic Review
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« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2010, 02:29:18 AM »
What an incredible thread, Isles. :)

it's a great piece, lorenz, and i'm glad the author is a westerner.  he is in a better position to see how his kind (some, anyway) sees my/our kind.

anyways, i did some modifications.  sorry that your post as quoted here ended up in-between (a handsome breaker it turns out, if i may say ;D).  got to go.  bedtime is long past.  goodnight. :(

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Re: Population Control: The Other Side
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2010, 02:31:11 AM »
I'm reading it and doing my own research on the matter (thanks in part to your postings!)

Good Night, Isles, and here's to a great week for us all!

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Re: Population Control: The Other Side
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2010, 04:13:09 AM »
While the other part of the world baffled about population control, the other continent is encouraging population growth. ;D
  Most peps in EU are career-oriented folks,women choose regression of baby boom jehehe.As fertility will continue to decline,
    a demographic burden can be foreseen when the growth rate of the working-age population will fall short of that of the total population.
Population ageing is expected to put certain strains on social security expenditures such as pension, health and old-age care expenditures.
Economic growth itself will be correlated to the age structure of the population,oh my golly  ;)

If ..,in 20yrs.later,  the regression of baby boom continues,there would be huge crowd of pensioner whoaa..!  ::)
  than the potential young-age group (affluent tax payers) and more old-age home to be put up..agoizt.
The youth denotes the balance of economic growth,
   since increases in life expectancy are to be expected with certainty in the future.
      Whatta contrast "nicht wahr"?-isnt it. ::)

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« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2010, 07:46:24 AM »
In the dismal abacus of our day, when a pig is born in China, national wealth goes up; when a child is born, it goes down. 

Hmm. Nice poetry.

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« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2010, 12:25:04 AM »
 Wla naman lagi zumpaye niyng tunob ni tsenilas? Wla na makatoud?



up..!

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« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2010, 10:15:55 AM »
This is not to say that population control has made no headway in Asia.  Pushed incessantly by figures like the World Bank's McNamara, the idea that nations could become rich only if they moved to control their population rates became an article of faith among Western and Western-educated intellectuals in Asia-- a faith backed up by aid dollars linked to the willingness of recipient countries to develop control measures.  In the Philippines, for example, the U.S. Agency for International Development obtained a provision in the Marcos-era constitution granting the state authority over population levels.  The Western missionary fervor once directed at Christianizing Asia has been channeled, in the second half of the twentieth century, into proselytizing for fewer Asians.  

                                                                                                                        -ditto-

Wla naman lagi zumpaye niyng tunob ni tsenilas? Wla na makatoud?



up..!

Na hala, ako na lay sumpay. Ato lang maningleson aron maibot sa tsinelas...


Population control, which was a 60s and 70s buzzword, has since loosened its once vise-like grip on the world's imagination. The specter of a world bursting at its seams has lost its scare value not just due to more momentous subsequent world events but also to the growing perception (which I personally subscribe to) that it was made out to be more terrifying than it really is. Western countries joined the Malthusian bandwagon not so much from genuine concern for the future of mankind but from immediate national self-interest. The fact that the dramatic rise in world population (which started in the preceding century) was brought about largely by developing countries created panic in some established societies hell-bent on preserving their cherished way of life--whatever it is. The mantra of the demographic shift altering world geopolitics in favor of children of a lesser god, so to speak, was chiseled into the minds of decision-makers by supremacist policy-makers.

In the USAID stricture cited above, the population explosion issue was apparently used to further the American imperialist dream. The US of A then was losing and would eventually lose the Vietnam War, and clearly was still far from having decisively clinched Pax Americana. Keeping a lid on Philippine population growth was part and parcel of Uncle Sam's quest for hegemony. Countries with large growing populations but blessed with rich natural resources were targeted because such countries could reasonably be expected to be able to support larger populations, grow wealthy and be on the road to becoming bona fide world players. Such a development would negatively impact (sorry, I never use this word in this sense, but I'm being carried away by the appropriate imagery of its medical connotation) on their bloated sense of self-importance.   

It may be noted that numerous studies have shown no correlation whatsoever between population density and poverty. There is, on the other hand, an unmistakable link between a country's poverty level and its government's scale of corruption. Ah, Philippines. But that's another story.


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Re: Population Control: The Other Side
« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2010, 12:16:28 AM »
While Western Europe and Japan are experiencing a falling population growth rate, the Philippines, which is blessed with natural resources and a large fertile population (a source of richness for any nation), we are told to contain our population. Hehe, the foundation of a growing power is man power. With the abundance in natural resources in the Philippines, the ingenuity of our Race, and the unifying factors of faith and culture, I would say that the Philippines has the potential to become a regional power in the not too distant future.

Isles makes a sharpshooter's point (forgive me for using such a term); instead of focusing on decreasing our population, we should deal with the culture of political corruption that hampers the realization of true progress.

The Philippine population is layered, stratified. We have the senescent elderly, the older adults, the young adults, the adolescents, the young children and the babies. It is cyclic that the senescent die off, and replaced eventually by the older adults, while the rest of the cohort upgrades forward. The newest addition, and thus the integral factor, is the 'new' generation: the newborn babies.

We want a growing and strong Philippines, a Philippines that will take its place in regional & world politics. So instead of trying to hamper population growth, we should encourage it. Encourage the rise, growth of our Filipino Race.



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« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2010, 12:23:44 AM »
Let the Filipino Race grow and let them actively spread the seed of Visayas, Luzon, Mindanao unto the nations of the world.
Let the blood of the Filipino mingle with the bloodline of other peoples..., and save the genetically isolated peoples of Japan, Northern Europe, North America, Australia, Germany, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, etc. Let the dominant traits of the Filipino intermingle with the genetics and seed of other peoples...

hehe, na murag Genesis man ta ani da. :P
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