Author Topic: Bioethanol Scandal in Bohol Exposes Erico Aumentado's Secret Plan (Read 11118 times)

Lorenzo · « **Reply #80 on:** November 01, 2010, 10:28:30 PM »

Really? A secret plan? Then how come it's all over the news in July 2009? And 30 mayors also signed the MOU. Secret plan you say? Yeah, Tsolox has a point. Can we blame one man why "everybody" else just seems to have stumbled upon this MOU?

Lorenzo and Islander's exchange is enlightening. But I hold the view that tagging this seaweeds plantation project a "scandal" is tainted with malice and an example of sensationalism.

I will wait how this will unfold. I reserve judgment.

This changes everything. It seems that the former Governor did not act solely by himself, but with consent from municipal elected officials.

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islander · « **Reply #81 on:** November 01, 2010, 10:41:15 PM »

Really? A secret plan? Then how come it's all over the news in July 2009? And 30 mayors also signed the MOU. Secret plan you say? Yeah, Tsolox has a point. Can we blame one man why "everybody" else just seems to have stumbled upon this MOU?

Lorenzo and Islander's exchange is enlightening. But I hold the view that tagging this seaweeds plantation project a "scandal" is tainted with malice and an example of sensationalism.

I will wait how this will unfold. I reserve judgment.

yes, dot. reserving one's judgment is the best that can be done.

sometimes, a tilt in the treatment of a news write-up, or even the inclusion of just one word, which in this case is the word 'scandal', can already whip a storm. all the dynamics that went into this mou and the controversy that followed will never be fully understood. couple that with our knee-jerk distrust of our politicians, and things can truly get muddled up. too bad the first casualty is always the truth.

as usually happens in projects of this magnitude, the truth is bound to come out when the dust settles. we can only hope that such truth surfaces sooner than later and is for the good of the many.

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #82 on:** November 01, 2010, 10:51:23 PM »

Hala, padayon mog uswag sa inyong Digos-Digos diri, kay manumbalay pa ko...

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Scarb · « **Reply #83 on:** November 02, 2010, 01:14:40 AM »

Padayon ang pag-uzwag sa DigoÂ§ bizan wlay algae.guzÃ¶,lato og lukot farm ,pero naay flying mamoy (see above)

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Raquelproud boholana · « **Reply #84 on:** November 02, 2010, 03:04:15 AM »

Para nako dili maayo nga puro nalang seaweed farming sa Bohol. Too much or sobra makadaot sa kinaiyahan. Example ang Pangangan island sa una perting nindota kay gamay ra kaayo ug mangroves. White and sandy ang daplin sa baybayon. Daghan kinhason,tamala(tamaa or kugitang gagmay diin kining inyong ubos nga alagad mag ukoy ukoy kung makakita ug pidla kay manikop ug tamaa unya ug dili mogawas among butangan ug hinomolang tabacco ug dahon sa hagonoy ang balay then mogawas intawon kay malipong.Daghan pud to klase klaseng langgam.Then around 1990 dihay nangabot nga mga expert kono sa island ing ingon nga magtanum ug daghan mangroves tuod man apil pa gani ko ug panguha ug seedling sa mangroves ug ing apil pa ug pananom. Halos tibook isla jud gitamnam ug mangroves.Sa nag anam ug kadagko ang bakhawan nainanay pud ug ka maot ang landscaping sa isla ang white sandy beaches karon lapok na kaayo,wala nay tamaa ug wala nay mga langgam,minos na kaayo ang kinhason nga ang giingon sa mga expert modaghan kono ang isda,modaghan ang kinhason ug nganong nangawala man lagi nuon. Para nako dili maayo ang sobra kay ug i apply ni nato sa tanang butang ang lagmit nga sangputanan kamatayon sa kinaiyahan.

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chicogon · « **Reply #85 on:** November 02, 2010, 05:02:21 AM »

I never thought for a moment that this whole issue was a secret...

Of course, we know it never was a secret plan the fact that Bohol Chronicle was quoted as reporting the news. That alone took away the secrecy that the title portrayed. Of course, the thread poster is no expert literary expert nor a professional reporter. But he did expose an exposÃ© that may have slipped the watchful eyes of Chronicle readers or TB watchdogs. In a way, it is good that this sort of "stuff" are being made even more public than it has been. Plus I get to hear/read Lorenzo, Isles et al's deliberations on a topic as intriguing as "pintik ni alging." That's why I enjoy TB... I get to read or hear news that I may have missed on a day to day basis. Plus I get to hear how people feel/think/express themselves.

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Scarb · « **Reply #86 on:** November 02, 2010, 05:42:07 AM »

Maong liborgz ang kutaw ky ingon "scandal" unja "secret plan" i wonder nga naa man diay mga mayor na ming signed?

Sani man na mga Koreaniz investor, ayaw ko ingna wlay nagpahipi nga katuyoan,lugar guzto ra jud sila motabang?

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chicogon · « **Reply #87 on:** November 02, 2010, 05:49:26 AM »

And why is it called SCANDAL? Hmmmm, maka huna2x man sad ta sa kanta ni Yoyok kabahin sa mga isda, shokoy agukoy, guso, lato nga nag disco. Arang ka iskandaloso jud tingali ani tan-awon

Ako na lay tubag aning akong pangutana... hmmmm, mao diay.

Mo reserve diay pod kos answer sa akong pangutana karon nga nahilambigit man diay pod ang mga mayor... kay basin diay ug naay mosugod nag hubo sa iyang tapis. Abangan ang sunod nga kabanata sa Bohol "Expose" Scandal!!!

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Scarb · « **Reply #88 on:** November 02, 2010, 06:00:13 AM »

Ako na lay tubag aning akong pangutana... hmmmm, mao diay.

Mo reserve diay pod kos answer sa akong pangutana karon nga nahilambigit man diay pod ang mga mayor... kay basin diay ug naay mosugod nag hubo sa iyang tapis. Abangan ang sunod nga kabanata sa Bohol "Expose" Scandal!!!

Na mura PadÂ§ magamit na sad ang expression ni Bugzay nga gikan daw ni Pacwan,,;

Letz see the scattered > tan-awon nato ang katag ~ lagi woi heeÂ³

(sowe dli na jud maibot nako ug dali sa utak kiniyng polonga - hikiÂ² ko ani permi..promise)

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #89 on:** November 02, 2010, 12:27:02 PM »

From the Christian perspective or point of view I am always awed (and wowed) by the amazing wonders all around us (indeed, there is a touch of heaven everywhere!). And Bohol has plenty of them, needless to say. What I'm WARY ABOUT is what people (esp. those hiding behind the facades of big corporations and masks of powerful political figures) do to these wonderful creations, and to poor people, who are basically dependent on these God-given wonders. I may sound suspicious but I can't read motives either. Based on historical facts the locals or the poor people from a particular area are usually the ones who suffer the most if and when our fears become a reality. God forbid if that happens to our beloved Bohol and to our fellow Boholanos. But it's happening everywhere!!!

To be honest, I personally liked the way the Japanese project (JAICA) did in the early 80's... they came and taught us (Boholanos and Pinoys alike) how to be good farmers. Pero gahi lang jud nig mga ulo ning mga Pinoy kay magbuot jog ilaha (WA SUNDA MGA GITUDLO SA HAPON UNSAON PAGTANOM UG HUMAY HEHEHEHE). Their investment was in helping us "learn how to fish" in our own backyard, rather than "fishing in our own backyard and bring the harvest to Japan." Meaning, kung akoy pagbut-on, I prefer if foreign investors (I wonder if you can call one if they are not for profit) teach our locals how to manage and/or make use of our natural resources using scientific ways and/or modern technology. I'm sure we haven't even tapped the best ways to celebrate (aw!) our nature's giftedness.

I like your examples, Father Lungay. Yes, I agree with you that our Island of Bohol is indeed a paradise on Earth. With such bountiful treasures , our island and our people should be proud of the raw natural resources that we are blessed with. And with the potential for future growth. This said, I remain optimistic for Bohol's progress, especially towards a green-environmentally-friendly agenda.

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Dot (.) · « **Reply #90 on:** November 07, 2010, 06:18:22 PM »

In order to meet the needed volume of seaweeds to make bioethanol production cost-efficient, the Koreans would have to teach the Filipino seaweed growers how to improve seaweed growing methods.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #91 on:** November 08, 2010, 08:02:00 AM »

In order to meet the needed volume of seaweeds to make bioethanol production cost-efficient, the Koreans would have to teach the Filipino seaweed growers how to improve seaweed growing methods.

A most splendid idea, Dot. And in order to properly introduce the importance of seaweed production in energy policy as well as for domestic growth, the Koreans could disburse and help fund for advanced classes in environmental engineering in universities in the Philippines, such as the likes of University of Bohol, Bohol Island State University, and Holy Name University. By increasing their cooperation with the Filipino people, educational institutions , aside from governmental units, can the Koreans expect positive gains in future business dealings with the Philippines and its people.

There has to be some kind of long term goals and benefits that the Philippines and the Filipino people can benefit from. Aside from supplying the Koreans with much needed petroleum ether and research work, it would be fortuitous for the Filipino people to develop seaweed plantations for domestic use as well, which can be ascertained by new technological processes in energy acquisition from Korean engineers and specialists.

If the Philippines can develop its own energy sector from this, and slowly but surely sever our heavy dependence on foreign energy importations, then surely, this is something that the whole country can benefit from.

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islander · « **Reply #92 on:** November 08, 2010, 10:40:46 AM »

In order to meet the needed volume of seaweeds to make bioethanol production cost-efficient, the Koreans would have to teach the Filipino seaweed growers how to improve seaweed growing methods.

this presumes that koreans know better about seaweed growing than filipinos. i don't believe this. we have a longer shoreline than south korea (ranked no. 52 in terms of shoreline length while the philippines is at no. 5), and we're supposed to know less about the bounties of our seas? the south koreans may have the money, but it's our place and it behooves on them to learn from us, from the people who have spent a lifetime growing seaweeds and from our own marine biologists and scientists. time to trust our own brains.

confound it. let's think back to the irri institute, where thais and vietnamese studied rice production. look who's importing rice now. in the end, it's really government policy that makes or breaks development. that's why this bioethanol mou, its dynamics and background, needs to be checked from all angles while we reserve our suspicions or trust in its credibility and workability. in our favor.

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Dot (.) · « **Reply #93 on:** November 08, 2010, 09:40:59 PM »

this presumes that koreans know better about seaweed growing than filipinos. i don't believe this. we have a longer shoreline than south korea (ranked no. 52 in terms of shoreline length while the philippines is at no. 5), and we're supposed to know less about the bounties of our seas? the south koreans may have the money, but it's our place and it behooves on them to learn from us, from the people who have spent a lifetime growing seaweeds and from our own marine biologists and scientists. time to trust our own brains.

confound it. let's think back to the irri institute, where thais and vietnamese studied rice production. look who's importing rice now. in the end, it's really government policy that makes or breaks development. that's why this bioethanol mou, its dynamics and background, needs to be checked from all angles while we reserve our suspicions or trust in its credibility and workability. in our favor.

Exchange of knowledge. Learning from each other. Mutual cooperation. Mutual benefit. Mutual respect. These should be among the parameters to be considered.

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islander · « **Reply #94 on:** November 08, 2010, 09:53:01 PM »

Exchange of knowledge. Learning from each other. Mutual cooperation. Mutual benefit. Mutual respect. These should be among the parameters to be considered.

this sounds clearer now; far from your previous post on those koreans having to "teach filipino seaweed growers..." where i as a reader failed to see the reciprocality of knowledge sourcing. thanks.

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-<GEC348>- · « **Reply #95 on:** January 05, 2011, 04:37:13 AM »

I don't like eating seaweeds. But when bioethanol from seaweeds
could be properly distilled, would it make a fine drink, too?

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windgate · « **Reply #96 on:** January 05, 2011, 10:51:33 AM »

whew! 14 pages nahurot nahog basa. katunga ray nasabtan

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-<GEC348>- · « **Reply #97 on:** January 05, 2011, 08:20:02 PM »

whew! 14 pages nahurot nahog basa. katunga ray nasabtan

All those reading has taken the wind out of your lungs

No need to try too hard, windgate.
Understanding half of the subject is better than not understanding any part of it all.

Just don't fall into the trap of "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing"

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windgate · « **Reply #98 on:** January 05, 2011, 10:49:14 PM »

All those reading has taken the wind out of your lungs

No need to try too hard, windgate.
Understanding half of the subject is better than not understanding any part of it all.

Just don't fall into the trap of "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing"

ka simple ra atong pangutana sa kano. upside ug downside sa mga sagbot sa dagat sagulan man dajon ug sinayantist

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benelynne · « **Reply #99 on:** January 09, 2011, 06:09:57 PM »

Major investments, especially foreign investments, should not be held hostage to the fortunes and misfortunes of politicians. For instance, the proponents of jatropha, I heard, once out of power, have also abandoned the project wholesale, leaving the farmers who bought the idea and cultivated their lands to this long-term plant in limbo now. Likewise, when Aumentado vacated his office and was succeeded by Chatto, this seaweed project seems to have immediately combusted--even before any energy could be produced--in political controversy.

Investments have to be handled by "technocrats" or economic policy experts who will evaluate such projects on economic criteria, taking into consideration the inputs of stakeholders. This way, when their political proponents are dislodged from elective office, there will be less politicization of the issue, as has happened now, and there will be continuity in implementation.

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Lorenzo · « **Reply #100 on:** January 22, 2011, 07:55:18 AM »

Well said, Tito Ben. I agree completely.

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #101 on:** January 22, 2011, 11:28:20 AM »

I don't like eating seaweeds. But when bioethanol from seaweeds
could be properly distilled, would it make a fine drink, too?

Kining pangutanaha klaro nga maoy angay hatagan og tukmang pagtagad...

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MikeLigalig.com · « **Reply #102 on:** March 22, 2012, 07:22:04 PM »

Again, what is wrong with large scale seaweed farming? What are the downsides and upsides to this industry?

Best Regards, "BC"

It is wrong because this will be GMO-based, employing techniques that will eventually destroy the whole area.

The proponent of this project has no other motive but profit. He doesn't care whether Boholanos would have a future.

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hubag bohol · « **Reply #103 on:** March 22, 2012, 07:28:38 PM »

Kahakog maoy naghari...

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Raquelproud boholana · « **Reply #104 on:** March 22, 2012, 08:55:01 PM »

It is wrong because this will be GMO-based, employing techniques that will eventually destroy the whole area.

The proponent of this project has no other motive but profit. He doesn't care whether Boholanos would have a future.

Profit mao raman jud nay importante. Bisan pa ug perting hagoa ug pananum sa mga seaweed farmers diha dili mailaha ang kwarta adto paingon sa tag iya ug nagmugna aning ethanol plant. You think makaginansya ang seaweed farmer ani? heck no. Dili man ni sa ingon the more daghan ma produce daghan pud ug ginansya, ang profit ani is dili sa producto mismo kundi ang subsidy sa goberno, sa mga grants ug awards sa mga organization who make our earth clean and green. If it happen to be GMO ang seaweed mahulog pa nga magka utang utang ug dako ang mananumay.

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alycxs · « **Reply #105 on:** April 29, 2012, 01:06:30 AM »

Just my simplistic thoughts :

Bohol is an island with groups of little islets around it.

We have a LOT of shallow waters

We already have a LOT of sea weeds.

If we can harness what we have naturally to create jobs, improve livelihood and alleviate poverty without robbing future generations, then what's the harm ?

I guess its just the ways and means that the "system" that goes into it is the problem. There's no utopian method as most, if not all, will have to sacrifice *something* to get whatever the optimum desirable outcome is. Usually the max profit at the expense of the naive and vulnerable population which will be easily taken advantaged of. :-(

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