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China, the Philippines and other countries, and the seas
« on: May 14, 2014, 06:57:52 PM »
let me have this thread devoted solely to the issue specified in the subject title, with opinions and news items from all possible sources from all sides.  as i wish to understand all narratives of this potential flashpoint, i may as well dedicate this thread to all who are interested in geopolitics and history, be they students, thesis writers, academicians, armchair historians, politicians.  comments are of course welcome. 

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« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2014, 07:02:08 PM »
Sunday Book Review

Sea Change
‘Asia’s Cauldron,’ by Robert D. Kaplan

By IAN MORRIS
April 17, 2014
International New York Times



An American warship in Da Nang for joint U.S.-Vietnamese naval exercises in 2011, a reflection of increased tensions in the South China Sea. Credit Hoang Dinh Nam/Agence France-Press—Getty Images


This is the latest in a series of insightful books, like “The Revenge of Geography” and “The Coming Anarchy,” in which Robert D. Kaplan, the chief geopolitical analyst at the global intelligence company Stratfor, tries to explain how geography determines destiny — and what we should be doing about it. “Asia’s Cauldron” is a short book with a powerful thesis, and it stands out for its clarity and good sense from the great mass of Western writing on what Chinese politicians have taken to calling their “peaceful development.” If you are doing business in China, traveling in Southeast Asia or just obsessing about geopolitics, you will want to read it.

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« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2014, 07:03:41 PM »
Kaplan starts out from some basic economics. More than half of the world’s annual merchant fleet tonnage (including four-fifths of all the oil burned in China) passes through the South China Sea. This commerce, Kaplan says, has turned that waterway into “the throat of the Western Pacific and Indian Oceans — the mass of connective tissue where global sea routes coalesce,” investing its straits, shoals and islands with extraordinary strategic significance. At the heart of Kaplan’s book is a striking analogy that aims to explain what this will mean in the 21st century: “China’s position vis-à-vis the South China Sea,” he suggests, “is akin to America’s position vis-à-vis the Caribbean Sea in the 19th and early 20th centuries.”

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« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2014, 07:07:02 PM »
The parallel Kaplan draws is straightforward and convincing. Between 1898 and 1914, the United States defeated Spain and dug the Panama Canal. This allowed Americans to link and dominate the trade of the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans, transforming the meaning of geography. “It was domination of the Greater Caribbean Basin,” Kaplan concludes, “that gave the United States effective control of the Western Hemisphere, which, in turn, allowed it to affect the balance of power in the Eastern Hemisphere.”

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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2014, 07:07:59 PM »
In a rather similar way, he suggests, the South ­China Sea now links the trade of the Pacific and Indian Oceans; consequently, “were China to ever replace the U.S. Navy as the dominant power in the South China Sea — or even reach parity with it — this would open up geostrategic possibilities for China comparable to what America achieved upon its dominance of the Caribbean.” ­Because of this, the South China Sea is “on the way to becoming the most contested body of water in the world.”

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« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2014, 07:09:45 PM »
Throughout the book, Kaplan tempers hard-nosed geopolitics with an engaging mix of history and travelogue (no reader is likely to forget his evocative comparisons of Hanoi and Saigon or his description of Borneo’s water villages) and also stresses the differences between the two cases as well as the similarities. Probably the biggest of these differences is that in the 1890s the revisionist power in the ­Caribbean — the United States — was militarily stronger than Spain, the status quo power, whereas in the 2010s the revisionist power in the South China Sea — China — is militarily weaker than America, the status quo power.

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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2014, 07:11:39 PM »
Kaplan is surely right to conclude from this that Beijing is unlikely to risk a military showdown involving Washington any time soon. Instead, he tells us — mixing historical analogies slightly — that China will “Finlandize” Southeast Asia. Confronted by the same kind of pressure that the Soviet Union applied to its Scandinavian neighbor during the Cold War, Southeast Asia’s governments “will maintain nominal independence but in the end abide by foreign policy rules set by Beijing.” Because Finlandization is so different from the way the United States threw Spain out of the Caribbean in 1898, the outcome will differ too.

“But,” Kaplan concludes, “the age of simple American dominance, as it existed through all of the Cold War decades and immediately beyond, will likely have to pass. A more anxious, complicated world awaits us.”

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« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2014, 07:12:43 PM »
These sentences might tempt readers to lump Kaplan into the company of “declinists,” writers who rejoice in announcing the imminent fall of the American Empire, but that would be too simple. ­Kaplan is in fact a leading proponent of the theory of international relations known as realism, which traces its ancestry back nearly 2,500 years to Thucydides. Kaplan is explicit about his intellectual debt to this tough-minded ancient Greek and, like him, glories in stripping away fondly held illusions to reveal the harsh reality of governments nakedly pursuing their own self-interest without concern for values, beliefs or ideology.

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« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2014, 07:14:07 PM »
It is realism that keeps Kaplan’s book so refreshingly free of the breathless “oh my God it’s worse than you think” prose style that mars so much Western writing on the rise of China. In its place, however, realism encourages a Thucydidean detachment that some readers will find even more alarming. But that, Kaplan says, is the way it has to be, because the struggle over the South China Sea is going to be detached and unemotional. America’s struggle with the Soviet Union raised great moral issues and fired the passions of all involved; but it has proved hard to invest the South China Sea with the same philosophical freight as the Berlin Wall, despite the best efforts of some. (While writing a column for a newspaper — not this one — a few months ago, I was firmly informed that the editor wanted “less history, more scary stuff about China.”) “The fact is,” Kaplan observes, “East Asia is all about trade and business.”

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« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2014, 07:15:06 PM »
The heroes in Kaplan’s story are hard, pragmatic men who recognize this, men like Singapore’s Lee Kuan Yew (“head and shoulders above most other leaders worldwide in the 20th century”) and China’s Deng Xiaoping (“one of the great men of the 20th century”). Realists to their core, both regularly turned on a dime, ditching what had once seemed to be deeply held convictions. Neither had much time for democracy; nor, it seems, does Kaplan. Admitting that such thoughts are “heretical to an enlightened Western mind,” he writes that “if you left the South China Sea issue to the experts and to the elites in the region, the various disputes would have a better chance of being solved than if you involved large populations in a democratic process, compromised as they are by their emotions.”

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« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2014, 07:17:02 PM »
The solutions that would be reached, though, might not be the ones that most people around the South China Sea would want. In the course of his travels, Kaplan found the spirit of Lee and Deng much in evidence. One realist after another told him that they did not wish to be Finlandized or to replace America’s embrace with China’s; but realism teaches us that history is driven more by necessities than desires. “At the end of the day,” one Singaporean said, “it is all about military force and naval presence — it is not about passionate and well-meaning talk.” Since 2011, there has been much passionate American talk of a pivot toward Asia; but Vietnamese officials, realists to a man, respond by quoting a proverb — “A distant water can’t put out a nearby fire.”

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« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2014, 07:19:24 PM »
Poor Southeast Asia. So far from God, so close to China.


ASIA’S CAULDRON
The South China Sea and the End of a Stable Pacific
By Robert D. Kaplan
225 pp. Random House. $26.



Correction: May 11, 2014

A review on April 20 about “Asia’s Cauldron: The South China Sea and the End of a Stable Pacific,” by Robert D. Kaplan, referred incorrectly to “Finlandization,” a concept the author applies by analogy to China’s relations with its neighbors. The term describes the Soviet Union’s influence on Finland during the Cold War, not Russia’s pressure on the country during the czarist period.


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« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2014, 07:42:16 PM »
WHAT THEY SAY...


Many scholars, though, think that China's claims are essentially bunk.  The Law of the Sea Convention, which China signed and ratified, abolished the idea of historical claims as a way to determine maritime rights.

-Keith Johnson
“When is a Rock Not a Rock?”
Financial Times
4 April 2014


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« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2014, 07:52:07 PM »
. . .no international court or tribunal would agree to base its decision on arguments and contested evidence to the effect that China was the first country (several hundred years ago) to explore the South China Sea and discover, name, and administer its islands.  Mere reliance on alleged historical evidence of the kind invoked by Chinese commentators is insufficient to establish sovereignty over the waters enclosed by the nine-dash line or the islands of the South China Sea.

-Florian Dupuy and Pierre-Marie Dupuy
“A Legal Analysis of China's Historic Rights Claim in the South China Sea,” The American Journal of International Law, Vol. 107, No. 1
(January 2013), pp. 124-141


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« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2014, 07:57:17 PM »
Despite frequent insistence from Beijing that its claims in the South China Sea are based on international law and encompass only the “islands and adjacent waters” within the nine-dash line, Chinese actions tell a different story. Second Thomas Shoal is not an island or even a rock.  It is a low-tide elevation that is not subject to any independent territorial claim under the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea or customary international law. The shoal belongs to whomever has sovereignty over the continental shelf on which it rests - by all indications the Philippines.

-Gregory Poling, “The Philippines’South China Sea Memorial: Sailing into the Wind,” Center for Strategic and International Studies
3 April 2014


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« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2014, 02:22:45 AM »
PHILIPPINES SUBMITS MEMORIAL

Today, the Philippines submitted its Memorial to the Arbitral Tribunal that is hearing the case it brought against the People’s Republic of China under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea in January 2013.

The Philippines’ Memorial was submitted in conformity with the Rules of Procedure adopted by the five-member Arbitral Tribunal last August, which established 30 March 2014 as the due date for its submission.

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« Reply #16 on: May 15, 2014, 02:23:45 AM »
The Memorial presents the Philippines’ case on the jurisdiction of the Arbitral Tribunal and the merits of its claims. It consists of ten volumes. Volume I, which is 270 pages in length, contains the Philippines’ analysis of the applicable law and the relevant evidence, and demonstrates that the Arbitral Tribunal has jurisdiction over all of the claims made by the Philippines’ in its Statement of Claim, and that every claim is meritorious. It sets out the specific relief sought by the Philippines in regard to each of its claims, and shows why it is entitled to such relief.

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« Reply #17 on: May 15, 2014, 02:34:07 AM »
Volumes II through X contain the documentary evidence and maps that support the Philippines’ claims, all of which are cited in Volume I.  Volumes II through X consist of more than 3,700 pages, including more than 40 maps, for a total submission of nearly 4,000 pages.

The Memorial is the result of an enormous, collaborative effort by the extremely capable and dedicated legal team that has been serving the Philippines in this important case, headed by Solicitor General Francis Jardeleza and a team of lawyers from various agencies, including the OSG, DFA, DOJ, and the Office of the President.

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« Reply #18 on: May 15, 2014, 02:36:01 AM »
I also wish to thank other government agencies for their invaluable contribution in the generation of documents including:

The Department of Justice (DOJ);
The Department of National Defense (DND), particularly the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP), Philippine Navy, and Philippine Air Force (PAF);
The Department of Transportation and Communications, particularly the Philippine Coast Guard (PCG);
The Department of Environment and Natural Resources, specifically the National Mapping and Resource Information Authority (NAMRIA);
The Department of Energy (DOE);
The Bureau of Fisheries and Aquatic Resources (BFAR);
The Foreign Service Institute (FSI);

and other agencies such as National Museum, National Historical Commission, National Archives, the Philippine National Police, the Municipality of Kalayaan, and the UP Marine Science Institute.

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« Reply #19 on: May 15, 2014, 02:36:57 AM »
We are also most grateful to our international legal advisers led by
Paul Reichler and his team of international lawyers, including Mr. Lawrence H. Martin, Professor Bernard H. Oxman, Professor Philippe Sands, and Professor Alan Boyle for their invaluable guidance and assistance.

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« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2014, 02:40:41 AM »
Ordinarily, the next step in an arbitration of this nature would be the filing of a Counter-Memorial by the other Party. However, it is currently
unknown whether China will appear in the case, or whether it will continue its present policy of abstaining from the proceedings.

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« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2014, 02:47:05 AM »
Under the Rules of Procedure, the Arbitral Tribunal will decide on next steps and advise the Parties.  The Philippines will follow the guidance of the Arbitral Tribunal in regard to the publication of the Memorial.

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« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2014, 02:48:09 AM »
In the meantime, out of respect for the Tribunal and the arbitral process, it is obliged to preserve confidentiality.  With firm onviction, the ultimate purpose of the Memorial is our national interest.
It is about defending what is legitimately ours.  It is about securing our children's future.  It is about guaranteeing freedom of navigation for all nations.  It is about helping to preserve regional peace, security and stability.  And finally, it is about seeking not just any kind of resolution but a just and durable solution grounded on International Law.

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« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2014, 03:03:00 AM »
Beijing’s actions in the South China Sea demand a U.S. response

By Elizabeth Economy and Michael Levi
Published: May 16, 2014


The China National Overseas Oil Corporation (CNOOC) began drilling in Vietnamese-claimed waters last week, accompanied by more than 70 vessels, including armed Chinese warships. At first glance, this might look like merely another front in China’s quest for natural resources, which has taken Chinese companies to seemingly every corner of the earth.

Yet what is happening in the South China Sea is actually far more dangerous than what has come before — and the forces driving it go well beyond pursuit of energy riches. The United States needs to face up to the full magnitude of the Chinese challenge to have any hope of successfully confronting it. This means not only tough talk but also a willingness to take difficult action.

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« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2014, 03:04:19 AM »
There has long been speculation that massive oil and gas deposits are locked beneath the South China Sea — 1.4 million square miles bordered by Brunei, China, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam and claimed in part by all of them. According to the Chinese Ministry of Land and Resources, the area might contain as much as 400 billion barrels of oil, surpassing the bounties of the Middle East.

Most informed estimates, though, are much smaller. The U.S. Geological Survey estimated in 2010 that the region’s undiscovered oil (much of which will never be financially attractive to produce) totals a far smaller 11 billion barrels. It is difficult to believe that China would risk armed conflict for such modest stakes.

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« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2014, 03:05:24 AM »
Two other forces are essential to understanding what is going on. One is nationalism: The drilling is taking place near the Paracel Islands, which sit within a disputed area of the South China Sea, roughly 120 miles from Vietnam’s coast and well within Vietnam’s 200-mile exclusive economic zone. But China claims the islands based on historical usage and effective exercise of sovereignty, having occupied them since 1974. Backing off from the Paracels would deal a blow to China’s prestige, while underlining Chinese control over the islands would strengthen the leadership’s legitimacy at home.

Chinese leaders are also motivated by a desire to control the sea lanes of the South China Sea. More than $5 trillion of trade passes through the increasingly crowded waters each year. That includes almost one-third of world seaborne oil trade and more than three-quarters of Chinese oil imports (as well as most of the oil destined for Japan, South Korea and Taiwan). The Chinese navy may be too weak to challenge U.S. dominance in key Middle East sea lanes, or even to exercise control over the critical Straits of Malacca, but by operating naval forces across the South China Sea it can gain greater confidence that the United States will not be able to disrupt its supplies.

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« Reply #26 on: May 17, 2014, 03:06:06 AM »
Beyond these two motivations, it does not hurt that Chinese oil companies are eager to operate in the region. By cloaking its military excursion in commercial garb, Beijing might have hoped to defuse some of the inevitable opposition.

If so, that gambit has not paid off. China’s latest move, which came as a surprise to Vietnam and other nations, undermines Beijing’s insistence that strong relations within the region are its top foreign policy priority. It also calls into question China’s commitment to its current working-group talks with Vietnam on joint resource development in the South China Sea.

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« Reply #27 on: May 17, 2014, 03:06:58 AM »
The United States has said it won’t take a stand on the sovereignty dispute and has called on the two parties to resolve their differences peacefully. This is not enough: The United States ought to call China’s bluff and make clear the real stakes. The United States and the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) should present a unified front in refusing to recognize unilateral assertions of claims in disputed territories.

Even more important, the United States must be prepared to give life to its rhetorical position. Although it does not have a treaty obligation to defend Vietnam, its rebalancing to Asia is premised on its role as the primary guarantor of stability in the Pacific. Chinese actions challenge that.

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« Reply #28 on: May 17, 2014, 03:07:39 AM »
Vietnam has reiterated its commitment to peacefully resolve the dispute. If China does not reciprocate, the United States should be prepared to offer support to Vietnam through an increased naval presence. This would give Washington the ability to assess Chinese capabilities and to help de-escalate the situation. Other options, such as restrictions on CNOOC’s activities in the United States, could also be considered. If the United States can’t back up its words with actions, its credibility in promising to uphold peace and stability in the region will be gutted.

Elizabeth Economy and Michael Levi are senior fellows at the Council on Foreign Relations and the authors of “By All Means Necessary: How China’s Resource Quest is Changing the World.”

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« Reply #29 on: May 20, 2014, 10:32:48 AM »
Q&A: South China Sea dispute 

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Tensions between the Philippines and China over overlapping claims has risen in recent months

Rival countries have wrangled over territory in the South China Sea for centuries - but a recent upsurge in tension has sparked concern that the area is becoming a flashpoint with global consequences.

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« Reply #30 on: May 20, 2014, 10:36:47 AM »
What is the argument about?

It is a dispute over territory and sovereignty over ocean areas and the Paracels and the Spratlys - two island chains claimed in whole or in part by a number of countries. Alongside the fully fledged islands, there are dozens of uninhabited rocky outcrops, atolls, sandbanks and reefs, such as the Scarborough Shoal.


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« Reply #31 on: May 20, 2014, 10:38:00 AM »
Who claims what?

China claims by far the largest portion of territory - an area defined by the "nine-dash line" which stretches hundreds of miles south and east from its most southerly province of Hainan. Beijing says its right to the area comes from 2,000 years of history where the Paracel and Spratly island chains were regarded as integral parts of the Chinese nation.

In 1947 China issued a map detailing its claims. It showed the two island groups falling entirely within its territory. Those claims are mirrored by Taiwan, as the Republic of China.

Vietnam hotly disputes China's historical account, saying China had never claimed sovereignty over the islands before the 1940s. Vietnam says it has actively ruled over both the Paracels and the Spratlys since the 17th Century - and has the documents to prove it.

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« Reply #32 on: May 20, 2014, 10:38:27 AM »
The other major claimant in the area is the Philippines, which invokes its geographical proximity to the Spratly Islands as the main basis of its claim for part of the grouping.

Both the Philippines and China lay claim to the Scarborough Shoal (known as Huangyan Island in China) - a little more than 100 miles (160km) from the Philippines and 500 miles from China.

Malaysia and Brunei also lay claim to territory in the South China Sea that they say falls within their economic exclusion zones, as defined by UNCLOS. Brunei does not claim any of the disputed islands, but Malaysia claims a small number of islands in the Spratlys.


The Philippines accuses China of strengthening its military presence in the South China Sea

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« Reply #33 on: May 20, 2014, 10:42:03 AM »
Why are so many countries involved?

The Paracels and the Spratlys may have reserves of natural resources around them. There has been little detailed exploration of the area, so estimates are largely extrapolated from the mineral wealth of neighbouring areas.

The sea is also a major shipping route and home to fishing grounds that supply the livelihoods of people across the region.


Vietnamese protesters mark China's seizure of the Paracels in 1974

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« Reply #34 on: May 20, 2014, 10:43:24 AM »
How much trouble does the dispute cause?

The most serious trouble in recent decades has flared between Vietnam and China. The Chinese seized the Paracels from Vietnam in 1974, killing more than 70 Vietnamese troops. In 1988 the two sides clashed in the Spratlys, when Vietnam again came off worse, losing about 60 sailors.

The Philippines has also been involved in a number of minor skirmishes with Chinese, Vietnamese and Malaysian forces.

The most recent upsurge in tension has coincided with more muscular posturing from China.

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« Reply #35 on: May 20, 2014, 10:44:02 AM »
The Philippines has accused China of building up its military presence in the Spratlys. In early 2012, the two countries engaged in a lengthy maritime stand-off, accusing each other of intrusions in the Scarborough Shoal.

In July 2012 China formally created Sansha city, an administrative body with its headquarters in the Paracels which it says oversees Chinese territory in the South China Sea - including the Paracels and the Spratlys. Both Vietnam and the Philippines protested against this move.

Unverified claims that the Chinese navy deliberately sabotaged two Vietnamese exploration operations in late 2012 led to large anti-China protests on the streets of Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City.

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Vietnam was also one of a number of nations that refused to stamp new editions of Chinese passports which include a map showing disputed areas of the South China Sea as Chinese territory.

In January 2013, Manila said it was taking China to a UN tribunal under the auspices of the UN Convention on the Laws of the Sea, to challenge its claims in the South China Sea.

In May 2014, the introduction by China of a drilling rig into waters near the Paracel Islands led to multiple collisions between Vietnamese and China ships.

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« Reply #37 on: May 20, 2014, 10:56:03 AM »

The Philippines has a rusting vessel beached on the Second Thomas Shoal, which China also claims

Is anyone trying to resolve the row?

Over the years, China has tended to favour bilateral arrangements negotiated behind closed doors - but other countries want international mediation.

Even if the Philippines is successful in its attempts to pursue China at a UN tribunal, however, China would not be obliged to abide by the ruling.

Recent attempts by regional grouping Asean to discuss new ideas for resolving the dispute appear to have left the bloc severely divided.

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The Philippines has accused China of building up its military presence in the Spratlys. In early 2012, the two countries engaged in a lengthy maritime stand-off, accusing each other of intrusions in the Scarborough Shoal.

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Scarborough Shoal

Date:  April 8, 2012 - present

Location:  Scarborough Shoal

Status:  Ongoing

Belligerents:  Philippines                                  China

Strength:      1 frigate, 1 surveillance plane       2 surveillance ships

The Scarborough Shoal standoff refers to the ongoing tensions between China and the Philippines which began on April 8, 2012 over the Philippine Navy apprehension of eight Chinese fishing vessels in the disputed Scarborough Shoal.

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« Reply #39 on: May 20, 2014, 11:27:44 AM »
Overview

The Scarborough Shoal is claimed by both China and the Philippines. Taiwan also claims the shoal as part of its territory. On April 8, 2012, a Philippine Navy surveillance plane spotted eight Chinese fishing vessels docked at the waters of Scarborough shoal. BRP Gregorio del Pilar was sent on the same day by the Philippine Navy to survey the vicinity of the shoal, and confirmed the presence of the fishing vessels and their ongoing activities. On April 10, 2012, BRP Gregorio del Pilar came to inspect the catch of the fishing vessels. The Filipino inspection team claimed that they discovered illegally collected corals, giant clams and live sharks inside the first vessel boarded by the team. BRP Gregorio del Pilar reported that they attempted to arrest the Chinese fishermen but were blocked by Chinese maritime surveillance ships, China Marine Surveillance 75 (Zhongguo Haijian 75) and China Marine Surveillance 84 (Zhongguo Haijian 84). Since then, tensions have continued between the two countries.

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Reactions and related incidents

Boycott of Chinese goods

There has been a call in the Philippines to boycott goods made in China. Albay Governor Joey Salceda renewed calls to boycott goods made in China to send a signal that the Filipinos are united when a foreign power threatens the country's territorial integrity and national dignity. According to Salceda, the boycott would not be a counter to China's economic or military might “but it will draw global attention to their hegemonic ambitions as the loss of international goodwill will make its expansionist strategy very costly.”. Salaceda's has been advocating his cause since June 2011 over the alleged aggressive policy of China in the Spratly Islands, another disputed territory claimed by China, the Philippines and four other countries.

U.S. Pinoys for Good Governance, together with the Vietnamese community in Florida also called for the boycott of Chinese goods.

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Cyber attack exchanges

Hackers suspected to be from China, defaced the website of the University of the Philippines on April 20. The hackers left a message claiming, “We come from China! Huangyan Island is Ours,”. On April 21 “Anonymous #Occupy Philippines” retaliated and attacked the China University Media Union website, defacing its homepage with an image of a Guy Fawkes mask. The hacker said, "Chinese government is clearly retarded. Scarborough Shoal is ours!”. The website of the University of the Philippines was back online at the same day. After the attacks, Philippine President Benigno Aquino III’s deputy spokesperson Abigail Valte said that it didn't appear that the attacks would have any negative effect on the talks by Manila and Beijing to find a diplomatic solution to the standoff, and urged both Filipinos and Chinese to refrain from escalating tensions. Philippine websites of Official Gazette, the Presidential Communications Development and Strategic Planning Office, and the Presidential Museum and Library were also defaced in April. On May 4, hackers defaced the websites of The Philippine Star newspaper.

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Philippine fruit exports to China

China has imposed stricter regulations on its import of Philippine bananas, as a shipload of bananas was rejected in May, allegedly due to its failure to pass quarantine tests. According to Philippine banana exporters, China's move was related to the standoff in the Scarborough shoal. China also ordered stiffer inspections over Philippine pineapples and other fruits coming from the country.

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« Reply #43 on: May 20, 2014, 11:31:38 AM »
Suspension of tours to the Philippines

Most Chinese travel agencies suspended tours to the Philippines due to the standoff over the Scarborough shoal. Tourists from China makes about 9% of total arrivals to the Philippines according to the Philippine Department of Tourism.

The state-owned China Travel Service, Shanghai Tourism Bureau and Ctrip.com suspended all tours to the Philippines indefinitely citing the anti-Chinese sentiment in the country and for the safety of Chinese nationals.

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May 11 Philippine protests

Filipinos organized a protest near the Chinese Consulate in Manila against China's policies in the Scarborough shoal on May 11. Nearly 1,000 people were expected to participate in the protest. Organizers of the protests also noted that other protests were planned in other Chinese diplomatic missions around the world.

China deployed police near the Philippine Embassy in Beijing but only about 200 protesters were reported. The protest in Beijing ended peacefully. The Chinese embassy in Manila advised Chinese nationals to stay off the streets. Taiwan also released a similar advisory to its residents staying in the Philippines.

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May 11 Hong Kong protests

Hong Kong activists organized a protest on May 11, to reiterate China's claim over the Scarborough shoal near the Philippine Consulate in Hong Kong. The protesters sent an open letter to the authorities claiming that the Scarborough shoal has been a Chinese territory since 1279 during the Yuan Dynasty. They also accuse the Philippines in inciting anti-China demonstration among Filipinos and disrupting Chinese fishermen in the shoal.

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May 12 Beijing protests

Five protesters unfurled banners in front of the Philippine embassy in Beijing reading, "Huangyan Island will always belong to China" and "Keep your hands off Huangyan Island". The protest did not take long and the protesters were dispersed by the police by noon.

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Fishing ban

The Chinese government unilaterally imposed a fishing ban in the South China Sea, where the Scarborough shoal lies, lasting from May 16 to August 1. Since 1999, China has been imposing the annual summer fishing ban, which covers fishermen, regardless of nationality. Mono-layer gillnets, and hook and line fishing is not covered by the ban.

The Philippines does not recognize the Chinese fishing ban but has imposed its own fishing ban. The Filipino fishing ban lasted from May 16 to July 15 and the Philippine Coast Guard will bar Filipino fishermen from the shoal. President Benigno Aquino III insisted that the ban was for the preservation of the marine resources. Fish aggregating devices were installed in the municipal waters of Santa Cruz, Candelaria, Masinloc, Palauig and Iba in Zambales, as well as in La Union, Ilocos Sur and Ilocos Norte to ensure the livelihoods of affected Filipino fishermen. As of June 26, fishing vessels, together with paramilitary ships, are still in Scarborough shoal despite the Chinese fishing ban still effect.

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Faeldon's planned protest

Former Marine Capt. Nicanor Faeldon planned to lead a group of fishermen to the Scarborough shoal as a protest to assert the Philippines' claim over the shoal. Faeldon also considered planting a Philippine flag on the shoal. On May 18, President Aquino, called Faeldon to dissuade him from pushing through his trip. According to Faeldon, even if his plan pushed through, his group did not intend to plant a flag, as opposed to earlier reports, or to fish in the area.

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Continued Chinese presence

Under a 2012 deal mediated by the United States, China and the Philippines promised to withdraw their forces from the shoal until a deal over its ownership could be reached. The Philippines complied with the agreement and withdrew. China, however, did not abide the agreement and maintained its presence at the shoal, effectively militarizing it. Philippine president Benigno S. Aquino III later compared China's behavior to Nazi Germany's annexation of Czechoslovakia.

By July 2012, China had erected a barrier to the entrance of the shoal, according to the Philippine Department of Foreign Affairs. Since then, vessels belonging to the China Marine Surveillance and Fisheries Law Enforcement Command have been observed in the nearby disputed shoal and Chinese government vessels have been turning away Filipino vessels sailing to the area. In response, the Philippines has stated that it would be preparing to resend vessels to the shoal, in what has been described as a "cold standoff". By January 2014, China continued to maintain a presence within the shoal, among heightened tensions regarded a new law which requires non-Chinese fishing boats to seek permission from China when in the South China Sea, however Philippine fishing boats were able to fish around the shoal without Chinese interaction.

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International reaction

   Australia – Australia urged claimant nations to conform to international conventions and law for resolution. "We don't take a side on the various claims over the South China Sea. But we do, given our interest in the South China Sea, and given the fact that a large proportion of our trade travels through it, we do call on governments to clarify and pursue those claims and accompanying maritime rights in accordance with international law including the U.N. Law of the Sea Convention,"” Australian Foreign Minister Bob Carr said on May 12, who was in Shanghai to hold meetings primarily with Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi.

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  India – The Indian Ministry of External Affairs said that, "Maintenance of peace and security in the region is of vital interest to the international community. India urges both countries to exercise restraint and resolve the issue diplomatically according to principles of international law."

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  Malaysia – Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak stated that his country supports the Philippines' call for a “peaceful resolution” through a "multilateral solution" to the Scarborough shoal conflict.

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  Pakistan – Pakistan Ambassador to China Masood Khan said in an ambassador's forum in the China Women's University said that "Pakistan is with China" on the Scarborough shoal incident.

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  Russia – Russian Ambassador to Manila, Nikolay Kudashev reiterated that Russia supports bilateral solution among claimant countries and opposed the involvement of other nations in the South China Sea disputes. Kudashev also noted that Russia is not a party to the Scarborough shoal dispute and that his country wants to ensure freedom of navigation in the South China Sea. Kudashev also stated that,“The UNCLOS (United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea) would provide a good and solid basis.”

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  Taiwan – Taiwanese President Ma Ying-jeou hoped that the conflict will be solved "peaceful manner" but he also reiterate that Taiwan "will still continue to uphold sovereign claims over the South China Sea.”

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   United Kingdom – British Prime Minister David Cameron stressed that the United Kingdom calls for a "peaceful resolution" to the Scarborough shoal conflict.

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  Vietnam – Vietnamese Foreign Ministry Spokesman Luong Thanh Nghi said that Vietnam is "deeply concerned" over the Scarborough shoal incident. He stressed that "concerned parties need to practise restraint and peacefully resolve the disputes based on international law, particularly the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea in 1982 and the Declaration on Conduct of the Parties in the East Sea (DOC), to maintain peace, stability, security and maritime safety in the East Sea and region."

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ITLOS involvement

The International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea (ITLOS) is an intergovernmental organization created by the mandate of the Third United Nations Conference on the Law of the Sea, with responsibility for the regulation of seabed mining beyond the limits of national jurisdiction, and with the power to settle disputes between party states. In May 2012, National Democratic Front of the Philippines (NDF) leader Jorge Madlos said in a statement that, "Mindanao views the incursion of China in the West Philippine Sea, particularly in the Scarborough Shoal, as an infringement on the sovereign right and patrimony of the Filipino people. The Chinese government must immediately desist from taking injurious steps against the integrity of the Filipino people.", and urged both Chinese and Filipinos to pressure their respective governments in resolving the shoal dispute through diplomatic means before ITLOS.

In June 2013 it was reported that the Philippines had decided to bring the territorial row before the ITLOS after it had “exhausted all political and diplomatic avenues for a peaceful negotiated settlement of its maritime dispute with China.”, saying that it will ask the tribunal to declare China's claims as "invalid." China was reported to have formally rejected arbitration proceedings initiated by the Philippines. According to Annex VII of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), however, China's refusal will not necessarily impede the proceedings.

As of February 2014, the Philippines had not yet submitted a written pleading to ITLOS, and it was reported that China had offered mutual withdrawal from the shoal and other inducements if the Philippines would refrain from submitting a formal pleading, and that the Philippine position was, “With what's on the table, there's not enough.”

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As of February 2014, the Philippines had not yet submitted a written pleading to ITLOS, and it was reported that China had offered mutual withdrawal from the shoal and other inducements if the Philippines would refrain from submitting a formal pleading, and that the Philippine position was, “With what's on the table, there's not enough.”

as of 30 march 2014, the philippines has submitted a memorial in its case against china. 

Defying China’s warnings, the Philippines on Sunday pressed ahead with the submission of a crucial arbitration document packed with evidence and legal arguments seeking to invalidate China’s massive claim over the South China Sea.

Ignoring a possible backlash from China, the Philippine government transmitted the document, called a “memorial” in international arbitration parlance, to the Netherlands-based Permanent Court of Arbitration where a five-member tribunal operating under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea will hear Manila’s complaint.

“Today, the Philippines submitted its memorial to the arbitral tribunal that is hearing the case it brought against the People’s Republic of China under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea,” Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario told a news conference.

“With firm conviction, the ultimate purpose of our memorial is our national interest.”

Manila declined to release a copy of the memorial as it has yet to be reviewed by the court.

But Del Rosario said the document consists of “ten volumes with maps” with “nearly 4,000 pages” and will fortify the Philippine case, which seeks to declare China’s claim as illegal. A hard copy will be forwarded to the tribunal on Monday.

The document, he said, “contains the Philippine analysis of the applicable law and the relevant evidence, and demonstrates that the arbitral tribunal has jurisdiction over all the claims made by the Philippines.”

It will be used by the tribunal to determine if the Philippine case has legal merit under international law, and if the court has jurisdiction over it, Del Rosario said.

“Every claim is meritorious,” he said. “It sets out the specific relief sought by the Philippines in regard to each of its claims, and shows why it is entitled to such relief.”

“It is about seeking not just any kind of resolution but a just and durable solution grounded on international law,” he added. (http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/, march 30 2014)

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Continued Chinese presence

Under a 2012 deal mediated by the United States, China and the Philippines promised to withdraw their forces from the shoal until a deal over its ownership could be reached. The Philippines complied with the agreement and withdrew. China, however, did not abide the agreement and maintained its presence at the shoal, effectively militarizing it. Philippine president Benigno S. Aquino III later compared China's behavior to Nazi Germany's annexation of Czechoslovakia.

no wonder the philippines refuses to negotiate bilaterally, which in this case shows that trust and word of honor seem to be absent in china's vocabulary.

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So, How Does the Chinese Press Feel About the UNCLOS Arbitration?
by Julian Ku

For those of you wondering how seriously the Chinese media is taking the Philippines’ arbitration claim against China over the South China Sea (there must be at least two of you out there), here is an illustrative cartoon from a Chinese newspaper, “JingChu Times”, in Central China (although originally from another publication).

Although one doesn’t need to read Chinese to get the jist, here is my attempt to translate anyway.

The Foot is labeled: “Chinese Territory”

The Fish biting the Foot’s toe is labeled: “The Philippines”.  The Fish is holding a sign with the words: “Mine!”.

Yes, this Annex VII UNCLOS arbitration claim is really sending shock waves throughout China. -- http://opiniojuris.org/

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« Reply #62 on: May 20, 2014, 01:19:13 PM »
it seems to me that the fish takes the likeness of pnoy.

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« Reply #63 on: May 20, 2014, 01:37:50 PM »
Klarex. Gihimong kataw-anan...

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« Reply #64 on: May 20, 2014, 01:42:31 PM »
sige lang.  ang kumagko ni ondoy intsik mora man pod ug hitsura ug just that... intsik. ;D

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« Reply #65 on: May 20, 2014, 01:44:15 PM »
May 12 Beijing protests

Five protesters unfurled banners in front of the Philippine embassy in Beijing reading, "Huangyan Island will always belong to China" and "Keep your hands off Huangyan Island". The protest did not take long and the protesters were dispersed by the police by noon.

In “History, Identity, and Security,” there is an intriguing discussion, all too short, on Jeffrey Wasserstrom’s classification of political protests in China into either subversive “political theater” or establishment-oriented “political ritual.” What would that make of the May 12, 2012 protest in Beijing against the Philippines at the height of the Scarborough Shoal standoff, when, according to Hayton, only five people showed up? The “mass nationalist anger” Philippine effrontery was supposed to have stirred up seems merely ritualistic.

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Re: China, the Philippines and other countries, and the seas
« Reply #66 on: May 21, 2014, 09:24:24 PM »

One of several photographs gathered by Philippine intelligence sources and released by the Department of Foreign Affairs on Thursday, May 15, shows the extensive reclamation being done by China on Mabini Reef (Johnson South Reef). A building and a runway are also seen on the reef. The DFA said these actions are considered destabilizing and in violation of the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea and international law. Mabini Reef is part of the Kalayaan Island Group which is inside PHL territory. DFA

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Re: China, the Philippines and other countries, and the seas
« Reply #69 on: May 21, 2014, 09:29:19 PM »

Nine Chinese fishermen, part of 11 detained on May 6, stand outside the Palawan Provincial Jail on Wednesday, May 14, as they await trial. The PNP on May 6 intercepted a Chinese fishing boat carrying about 350 marine turtles off Half Moon Shoal in the Spratlys, arrested its crew of 11 and took them to Palawan to face charges of violating wildlife protection laws. Two minors who were with the fishermen were released and were turned over to the DSWD. Reuters/Liezel Chiu

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Re: China, the Philippines and other countries, and the seas
« Reply #71 on: May 22, 2014, 12:41:32 PM »
Vietnam and Philippines agree to oppose China

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By JIM GOMEZ
22 May 2014



Philippine President Benigno Aquino III, right, greets Vietnamese Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung during his courtesy call at the Malacanang Presidential Palace in Manila, Philippines Wednesday, May 21, 2014. (AP Photo/Aaron Favila, POOL)

MANILA, Philippines (AP) — Vietnam and the Philippines will jointly oppose "illegal" Chinese actions in the South China Sea, Vietnam's prime minster said Wednesday in a rare show of public solidarity between two Southeast Asian nations wrestling with Beijing's determination to assert its sovereignty claims in the disputed waters.

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Re: China, the Philippines and other countries, and the seas
« Reply #72 on: May 22, 2014, 12:42:48 PM »
Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung, standing beside President Benigno Aquino III after they held talks in Manila, called on the world to condemn China for causing what he called an "extremely dangerous" situation in the South China Sea by deploying an oil rig near an island that both Vietnam and China claim.

China claims nearly all of the South China Sea, putting it into conflict with Vietnam and the Philippines, which have rival claims.

The "president and I shared deep concern over the current extremely dangerous situation caused by China's many actions that violate international law," Dung told a news conference.

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Re: China, the Philippines and other countries, and the seas
« Reply #73 on: May 22, 2014, 12:43:14 PM »
"The two sides are determined to oppose China's violations and call on countries and the international community to continue strongly condemning China and demanding China to immediately end the above said violations," he said.

The Philippines, a U.S. treaty ally, has been more vocal in opposing China than Vietnam, which has been trying to quietly resolve its territorial dispute with Beijing using ties between the two country's Communist parties. But Hanoi was incensed by the deployment of the oil rig on May 1, leading to speculation it would shift its approach.

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Re: China, the Philippines and other countries, and the seas
« Reply #74 on: May 22, 2014, 12:43:47 PM »

Vietnamese Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung walks past members of an honor guard shortly upon arrival at the Philippine Air Force Base in Manila, Philippines Wednesday, May 21, 2014. Prime Minister Dung is here for the World Economic Forum in East Asia and for talks with Philippine President Benigno Aquino III that will focus on toughening cooperation as their countries wrangle with China in tense territorial standoffs in the South China Sea. (AP Photo/Bullit Marquez)

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Re: China, the Philippines and other countries, and the seas
« Reply #75 on: May 22, 2014, 12:44:59 PM »
Last year, the Philippines filed a case against the Chinese claims at a U.N. tribunal, to Beijing's displeasure.

Analysts have said Vietnam might now file its own appeal or join Manila's legal challenge against China.

The Philippines took the legal step after exhausting other peaceful means to resolve its territorial disputes with China, Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario said.

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« Reply #76 on: May 22, 2014, 12:45:35 PM »
"I think Vietnam should make an assessment as to whether resorting to legal means is promotive of their national interest," del Rosario said.

The deployment of the oil rig has led to the most serious outbreak of tensions in the South China Sea in years.

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Re: China, the Philippines and other countries, and the seas
« Reply #77 on: May 22, 2014, 12:46:03 PM »

Vietnamese Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung waves to media shortly upon arrival at the Manila International Airport in Manila, Philippines Wednesday, May 21, 2014. Prime Minister Dung is here for the World Economic Forum in East Asia and for talks with Philippine President Benigno Aquino III that will focus on toughening cooperation as their countries wrangle with China in tense territorial standoffs in the South China Sea. (AP Photo/Bullit Marquez)

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Re: China, the Philippines and other countries, and the seas
« Reply #78 on: May 22, 2014, 12:46:10 PM »
What they need is a legally binding code of conduct of the seas. It would be fortuitous if they all can find a way to jointly explore and develop gas reserves.

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Re: China, the Philippines and other countries, and the seas
« Reply #79 on: May 22, 2014, 12:48:37 PM »
sadly, what the chinese are doing is unilaterally develop the contested areas first and discuss later, if at all.

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Re: China, the Philippines and other countries, and the seas
« Reply #80 on: May 22, 2014, 12:49:06 PM »
Vietnam dispatched ships to confront the Chinese oil rig that have jostled with Chinese vessels defending it. Last week rioting broke out in Vietnam that killed at least two Chinese workers and wounded more than 100 others.

Aquino did not mention the territorial disputes with China when he and Dung faced journalists but said they discussed how their countries could enhance defense and economic ties, adding that both governments aim to double two-way trade to $3 billion in two years. The two countries are now considering raising their ties to a "strategic partnership."

"In defense and security, we discussed how we can enhance confidence-building, our defense capabilities and inter-operability in addressing security challenges," Aquino said.

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« Reply #81 on: May 22, 2014, 12:49:31 PM »
China and the Philippines are in a standoff over another South China Sea reef, the Second Thomas Shoal. Chinese coast guard ships have thrice attempted to block Filipino vessels delivering new military personnel and food supplies to Philippine marines keeping watch on the disputed area on board a long-grounded ship.

Many have feared the long-seething territorial disputes in the resource-rich South China Sea could spark Asia's next major armed conflict. Brunei, Malaysia and Taiwan also have overlapping territorial claims in the strategic area, but the disputes between China, on the one hand, and Vietnam and the Philippines, on the other, have particularly flared in recent years.

China has steadfastly said that virtually the entire South China Sea has belonged to it since ancient times.

Chinese maritime surveillance ships took effective control of Scarborough Shoal off the northwestern Philippines after Filipino government vessels withdrew from the disputed fishing ground two years ago. Alarmed by China's move, the Philippines challenged the legality of Beijing's vast territorial claims in the South China Sea before an international arbitration tribunal last year.

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Re: China, the Philippines and other countries, and the seas
« Reply #82 on: May 22, 2014, 12:49:53 PM »

Vietnamese Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung adjusts the wreath during a wreath-laying ceremony before the bust of Vietnam's national hero Ho Chi Minh at the ASEAN Garden Wednesday, May 21, 2014 in Manila, Philippines. Dung is in Manila for the World Economic Forum in East Asia and for talks with Philippine President Benigno Aquino III that will focus on toughening cooperation as their countries wrangle with China in tense territorial standoffs in the South China Sea. (AP Photo/Bullit Marquez)

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