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Re: Bishop Wants Death Penalty Revived in the Philippines
« Reply #80 on: September 23, 2010, 02:13:20 AM »
jean paul marat and maximillien robespierre (and georges danton) were the three most important men of the french revolution who unleased the reign of terror.

how principled were marat and robespierre then?
 
was it idealism or bloodthirstiness that led marat to attack just about anyone with influence and for robespierre who, after doing away with royalty and aristocracy, went on to execute anyone at the mere suspicion of being counter-revolutionaries, without extensive trials?

i believe they were radicals rather than men of principles.
 
“Marat's radical denunciations of counter-revolutionaries supported much of the violence that occurred during the wartime phases of the French Revolution.”
 
if marat were principled, his murderer charlotte corday (guillotined on 17 July 1793 for the murder) must also be just as principled.  she testified during her four-day trial that she “…killed one man to save 100,000”.

historians note that as many as 40,000 accused prisoners may have been summarily executed (at the guillotine) without trial or died awaiting trial under the committee of public safety controlled by robespierre.

robespierre “instigated the Terror and the deaths of his peers as a measure of ensuring a Republic of Virtue; but his ideals went beyond the needs and wants of the people of France.  He became a threat to what he had wanted to ensure and the result was his downfall.”

robespierre is summed up as a “bright young theorist but out of his depth in the matter of experience”.

sometimes, extreme idealism blinds such that it may lead to just plain extremism.

i dare not be idealistic about the death penalty.
 ;D

 Anatole France coined the epoch as, "The Reign of Terror", however , in defense of the Republicans and the Jacobins the terror was originally coined to address the terror the aristocrats and members of the Royal Person experienced when tried and judged before the Revolutionary fervor of the people, whom mere months before were nothing but drones under the foot of the former King of France, now referred to by Marat as 'Citizen Capet'.

The spirit of the Revolution encompassed the idea of Egalitarianism, Fraternity, Equality under the Law. And with this required the justice for the People (referring to the political mass); in the spiritual and purist sense, Marat and Robespierre were and are the Fathers of the French Republic, and their ultra-patriotism allowed no mercy for members of the royal person and the aristocracy as well as those who were judged as traitors and opponents of the Revolution.

Considering the time period and the political upheaval the Revolution caused, France was at war with Absolutist Austria-Hungary (Hapsbrug Empire, the empire that the late Queen Marie Antoinette came from), The Spanish Empire, The British Empire and parts of the German States of the Rhine, which were allied to Prussia. France and the Revolution was in a state of paranoia and to protect the national interest , as well as the continuation of the Spirit of Revolution (which did spread and led to the the liberalization of Austria, Spain, England and the German states & Prussia). Marat and Robespierre's actions can be understood considering the fact that they were the first leaders of a powerful country to successfully abolish the aged-old monarchical system , which had enslaved the people and ruled over them in unwarranted classed society & old superstitions.

Robespierre and Marat literally died for the revolution, whose contribution is unquestionable in regards to the transformation of France from a backward Absolutist Monarchy into the present French Republic, which later exported the same revolutionary idealism throughout continental Europe.

The transformation of France from Monarchy to Republic was, indeed, no easy task.

 

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Re: Bishop Wants Death Penalty Revived in the Philippines
« Reply #81 on: September 23, 2010, 02:21:12 AM »
II. His Last Speech
 
Maximilien Marie Isidore Robespierre (1758–94)
 
(1794)


THE ENEMIES 1  of the Republic call me tyrant! Were I such they would grovel at my feet. I should gorge them with gold, I should grant them impunity for their crimes, and they would be grateful. Were I such, the kings we have vanquished, far from denouncing Robespierre, would lend me their guilty support. There would be a covenant between them and me. Tyranny must have tools. But the enemies of tyranny—whither does their path tend? To the tomb, and to immortality! What tyrant is my protector? To what faction do I belong? Yourselves! What faction, since the beginning of the Revolution, has crushed and annihilated so many detected traitors? You, the people—our principles—are that faction! A faction to which I am devoted, and against which all the scoundrelism of the day is banded!   
  
  The confirmation of the Republic has been my object; and I know that the Republic can be established only on the eternal basis of morality. Against me, and against those who hold kindred principles, the league is formed. My life? Oh, my life I abandon without a regret! I have seen the Past; and I foresee the Future. What friend of his country would wish to survive the moment when he could no longer serve it—when he could no longer defend innocence against oppression? Wherefore should I continue in an order of things, where intrigue eternally triumphs over truth; where justice is mocked; where passions the most abject, or fears the most absurd, override the sacred interests of humanity? In witnessing the multitude of vices which the torrent of the Revolution has rolled in turbid communion with its civic virtues, I confess that I have sometimes feared that I should be sullied, in the eyes of posterity, by the impure neighborhood of unprincipled men, who had thrust themselves into association with the sincere friends of humanity; and I rejoice that these conspirators against my country have now, by their reckless rage, traced deep the line of demarcation between themselves and all true men.     

  Question history, and learn how all the defenders of liberty, in all times, have been overwhelmed by calumny. But their traducers died also. The good and the bad disappear alike from the earth; but in very different conditions. O Frenchmen! O my countrymen! Let not your enemies, with their desolating doctrines, degrade your souls, and enervate your virtues! No, Chaumette, no! Death is not “an eternal sleep!” Citizens! efface from the tomb that motto, graven by sacrilegious hands, which spreads over all nature a funereal crape, takes from oppressed innocence its support, and affronts the beneficent dispensation of death! Inscribe rather thereon these words: “Death is the commencement of immortality!” I leave to the oppressors of the people a terrible testament, which I proclaim with the independence befitting one whose career is so nearly ended; it is the awful truth: “Thou shalt die!”

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Re: Bishop Wants Death Penalty Revived in the Philippines
« Reply #82 on: September 24, 2010, 10:19:12 AM »
Robespierre and Marat literally died for the revolution, whose contribution is unquestionable in regards to the transformation of France from a backward Absolutist Monarchy into the present French Republic, which later exported the same revolutionary idealism throughout continental Europe.
 

i wouldn't deign to conclude that they died for the revolution as martyrs do.  it looks like they died also because of their power struggle.

"Robespierre's most serious rival was Danton.  During the Revolution Danton was seen by many as an alternative to Robespierre.  Danton had been in power two times during the Revolution.  First, he was made Minister of Justice in the interim government that succeeded the destruction of the monarchy, and secondly, as one of the original members of the first Committee of Public Safety.  He had extensive friendships, a considerable personal following and unimpeachable Revolutionary credentials.

Of all the men in the Revolution, Danton was undoubtedly the most admired by the public.  The fact that such a man as Danton could be overthrown by the ruses and guile of Robespierre filled the National Convention with terror.  No one could perceive himself free from accusation.

Robespierre was a man full of pride and cunning, and an envious and vindictive being who surmounted obstacles and circumstances most appalling.  His steadiness and control helped him ascend to the Committee of Public Safety, where he openly aspired to tyranny and dictatorship.   Robespierre had always feared Danton, because he was the only rival who angered and annoyed him.  Robespierre, with the ability or luck to preserve his own popularity, seized the moment to destroy Danton, but in reality he destroyed himself."

-(Aaron D. Purcell, Danton vs. Robespierre: The Quest for Revolutionary Power)


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Re: Bishop Wants Death Penalty Revived in the Philippines
« Reply #83 on: September 24, 2010, 11:08:18 AM »

quotations on the french revolution of 1789-1799:

Citizens, we have reason to fear that the Revolution, like Saturn, will successively devour all its children, and finally produce despotism, with the calamities that accompany it. 
(Original French: Citoyens, il est à craindre que la révolution, comme Saturne, ne dévore successivement tous ses enfants et n’engendre enfin le despotisme avec les calamités qui l’accompagnent. )
         
          -Pierre Victurnien Vergniaud, 1753–1793, lawyer/statesman, a significant figure of the french revolution, guillotined 1793


Revolution is like Saturn, it devours its own children.
(Original German: Die Revolution ist wie Saturn, sie frißt ihre eignen Kinder.)
         
          -Georg Büchner,1813–1837, German dramatist, Danton’s Death, Act I (1835)


more:

The consequences of things are not always proportionate to the apparent magnitude of those events that have produced them. Thus the American Revolution, from which little was expected, produced much; but the French Revolution, from which much was expected, produced little.  
     
          -Charles Caleb Colton, 1780-1832, English cleric


The French Revolution is the ultimate modernist statement.  Destroy everything.  Don't build on the past.  There is no past.  

          -John Corigliano, 1938, American composer


The French Revolution gave birth to no artists but only to a great journalist, Desmoulins, and to an under-the-counter writer, Sade.  The only poet of the times was the guillotine.
         
          -Albert Camus, 1913-1960, French Algerian philosopher and author


the best: ;D

It is too soon to say.

          -Zhou Enlai, 1898-1976, first PROC premier, when asked what he thought of the French Revolution of 1789, as quoted in Simon Schama's book Citizens: A Chronicle of the French Revolution (1989)

 






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Re: Bishop Wants Death Penalty Revived in the Philippines
« Reply #84 on: September 24, 2010, 11:14:55 AM »
Supremacy and Infallible Statement; which sums the glorious triumph of the European Enlightenment.



April 24, 1793 - Declaration des droits de l'homme
"Any law which violates the inalienable rights of man is essentially unjust and tyrannical; it is not a law at all."
"Any institution which does not suppose the people good, and the magistrate corruptible, is evil."


Maximilien Robespierre 1758 - 1794


Robespierre is speaking in regards to the old machinations of the Absolute Monarchy in France and to those in continental Europe that would soon come crashing down by the sound of Revolutionary fervor.  ;D

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« Reply #85 on: September 24, 2010, 11:17:29 AM »
and a personal favorite,




“The only thing that one really knows about human nature is that it changes. Change is the one quality we can predicate of it. The systems that fail are those that rely on the permanency of human nature, and not on its growth and development. The error of Louis XIV was that he thought human nature would always be the same. The result of his error was the French Revolution. It was an admirable result.”

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Re: Bishop Wants Death Penalty Revived in the Philippines
« Reply #86 on: September 24, 2010, 11:18:54 AM »
NO. I don't trust the justice system in the Philippines.

If the US court can send an innocent man to jail and the guilty to continue walking in the street, how much more in the Philippines when the system is corrupt.



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Re: Bishop Wants Death Penalty Revived in the Philippines
« Reply #87 on: September 24, 2010, 11:23:15 AM »


Justice has its anger, my lord Bishop, and the wrath of justice is an element of progress. Whatever else may be said of it, the French Revolution was the greatest step forward by mankind since the coming of Christ. It was unfinished, I agree, but still it was sublime. It released the untapped springs of society; it softened hearts, appeased, tranquilized, enlightened, and set flowing through the world the tides of civilization. It was good. The French Revolution was the anointing of humanity.

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« Reply #88 on: September 24, 2010, 11:23:58 AM »
THE GOALS OF THE FRENCH REVOLUTION

What is the end of our revolution? The tranquil enjoyment of liberty and equality; the reign of that eternal justice, the laws of which are graven, not on marble or stone, but in the hearts of men, even in the heart of the slave who has forgotten them, and in that of the tyrant who disowns them.

We wish that order of things where all the low and cruel passions are enchained, all the beneficent and generous passions awakened by the laws; where ambition subsists in a desire to deserve glory and serve the country: where distinctions grow out of the system of equality, where the citizen submits to the authority of the magistrate, the magistrate obeys that of the people, and the people are governed by a love of justice; where the country secures the comfort of each individual, and where each individual prides himself on the prosperity and glory of his country; where every soul expands by a free communication of republican sentiments, and by the necessity of deserving the esteem of a great people: where the arts serve to embellish that liberty which gives them value and support, and commerce is a source of public wealth and not merely of immense riches to a few individuals.

We wish in our country that morality may be substituted for egotism, probity for false honour, principles for usages, duties for good manners, the empire of reason for the tyranny of fashion, a contempt of vice for a contempt of misfortune, pride for insolence, magnanimity for vanity, the love of glory for the love of money, good people for good company, merit for intrigue, genius for wit, truth for tinsel show, the attractions of happiness for the ennui of sensuality, the grandeur of man for the littleness of the great, a people magnanimous, powerful, happy, for a people amiable, frivolous and miserable; in a word, all the virtues and miracles of a Republic instead of all the vices and absurdities of a Monarchy.

We wish, in a word, to fulfill the intentions of nature and the destiny of man, realize the promises of philosophy, and acquit providence of a long reign of crime and tyranny. That France, once illustrious among enslaved nations, may, by eclipsing the glory of all free countries that ever existed, become a model to nations, a terror to oppressors, a consolation to the oppressed, an ornament of the universe and that, by sealing the work with our blood, we may at least witness the dawn of the bright day of universal happiness. This is our ambition, - this is the end of our efforts.

Source: M. Robespierre, "On the Principles of Political Morality" (1794)

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Re: Bishop Wants Death Penalty Revived in the Philippines
« Reply #89 on: September 24, 2010, 11:28:29 AM »
If virtue be the spring of a popular government in times of peace, the spring of that government during a revolution is virtue combined with terror: virtue, without which terror is destructive; terror, without which virtue is impotent. Terror is only justice prompt, severe and inflexible; it is then an emanation of virtue; it is less a distinct principle than a natural consequence of the general principle of democracy, applied to the most pressing wants of the country. ... The government in a revolution is the despotism of liberty against tyranny. Is force only intended to protect crime? Is not the lightning of heaven made to blast vice exalted?

The law of self-preservation, with every being whether physical or moral, is the first law of nature. ... The protection of government is only due to peaceable citizens; and all citizens in the republic are republicans. The royalists, the conspirators, are strangers, or rather enemies. Is not this dreadful contest, which liberty maintains against tyranny, indivisible? Are not the internal enemies the allies of those in the exterior? The assassins who lay waste the interior; the intriguers who purchase the consciences of the delegates of the people: the traitors who sell them; the mercenary libellants paid to dishonor the cause of the people, to smother public virtue, to fan the flame of civil discord, and bring about a political counter revolution by means of a moral one; all these men, are they less culpable or less dangerous than the tyrants whom they serve?

Source: M. Robespierre, "On the Principles of Political Morality" (1794)



This great purity of the French revolution's basis, the very sublimity of its objective, is precisely what causes both our strength and our weakness. Our strength, because it gives to us truth's ascendancy over imposture, and the rights of the public interest over private interests; our weakness, because it rallies all vicious men against us, all those who in their hearts contemplated despoiling the people and all those who intend to let it be despoiled with impunity, both those who have rejected freedom as a personal calamity and those who have embraced the revolution as a career and the Republic as prey. ... The two opposing spirits that have been represented in a struggle to rule nature might be said to be fighting in this great period of human history to fix irrevocably the world's destinies, and France is the scene of this fearful combat. Without, all the tyrants encircle you; within, all tyranny's friends conspire; they will conspire until hope is wrested from crime. We must smother the internal and external enemies of the Republic or perish with it; now in this situation, the first maxim of your policy ought to be to lead the people by reason and the people's enemies by terror.

Society owes protection only to peaceable citizens; the only citizens in the Republic are the republicans. For it, the royalists, the conspirators are only strangers or, rather, enemies. This terrible war waged by liberty against tyranny- is it not indivisible? Are the enemies within not the allies of the enemies without? The assassins who tear our country apart, the intriguers who buy the consciences that hold the people's mandate; the traitors who sell them; the mercenary pamphleteers hired to dishonor the people's cause, to kill public virtue, to stir up the fire of civil discord, and to prepare political counterrevolution by moral counterrevolution-are all those men less guilty or less dangerous than the tyrants whom they serve?

Source: M. Robespierre, "On the Moral and Political Principles of Domestic Policy" (1794)

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Re: Bishop Wants Death Penalty Revived in the Philippines
« Reply #90 on: September 24, 2010, 11:47:35 AM »
We must smother the internal and external enemies of the Republic or perish with it; now in this situation, the first maxim of your policy ought to be to lead the people by reason and the people's enemies by terror.

and thus did robespierre smother his rivals to power.  what a principle on morality. ;D

Revolutions eat their children; ask Robespierre, Trotsky and Liberia's Charles Taylor.  And South Africa is certainly no exception.  The lust for more power and money brings even the most self-righteous to a fall.  Yesterday's terrorist is today's freedom fighter.  It was never about democracy, only unadulterated power. (Albert Brenner, Revolutions Eat Their Children)




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Re: Bishop Wants Death Penalty Revived in the Philippines
« Reply #91 on: September 24, 2010, 11:53:58 AM »

When passing in front of Robespierre's house, on the way to the guillotine, Danton rose from his fatal seat, turned toward Robespierre's house and said, "You will follow us shortly. Your house shall be beaten down and sowed with salt."  Not content with seeing his enemies pass his house, Robespierre followed them to the place of execution.

At the foot of the scaffold, Danton exclaimed, "Oh my wife, my well-beloved, I shall never see thee more." And, interrupting himself, he said, "Danton no weakness!"(60) His last moments were best described by an eyewitness:

Terrible picture!  Time will never erase it from my memory.  I perfectly comprehend the feeling which inspired Danton to utter his last words, those terrible words, that I could not hear, but which were repeated to me in trembling horror and admiration.  'Do not forget, above all,' he said to the executioner, 'do not forget to show my head to the people; it is good to look at.'

The executioner obeyed him and showed Danton's head on all four sides of the scaffold.  At the age of thirty-four, Danton died.  For five years Danton had been the champion of the Revolution, but the forces of Robespierre had given Danton the image of a traitor.

Even if Robespierre's joy was complete at the very moment when Danton's head fell, he is said by some mechanical instinct to have put his hand to his neck, as if to make sure that his head was on his shoulders.  Since Danton's head had fallen, Robespierre was making no mistake in believing that his life was now, more than ever, in danger.

            -Aaron D. Purcell, Danton Versus Robespierre: The Quest for Revolutionary Power






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« Reply #92 on: October 09, 2010, 06:23:30 PM »
(PNA) -- A bishop has reiterated his support for the revival of the death penalty.

Bishop Efraim Tendero, national director, Philippine Council of Evangelical Churches (PCEC), expressed support on the proposal of Senator Miguel Zubiri to reimpose death penalty in the country.

“We are in favor of death penalty as it is biblical,” he said.

However, he said that the measure must be balanced by a reliable judicial system.

In 2006, the group criticized the decision of then President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo to abolish the death penalty.

The religious group said they support the imposition of death penalty, noting that capital crimes which lead to the loss of other lives deserve capital punishment.

“We uphold the principle of life for life. The punishment must fit the crime. The penalty must be commensurate to the gravity of the offense,” the group said in their statement four years ago.

Unsa pud kaha ang method of execution nga ilang gusto? Garrote?







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« Reply #93 on: October 10, 2010, 01:05:38 PM »
^ that method is too cruel, imho. The guillotine is better: Quick & Painless.
The crashing of the blade will sever the spinal cord at the level of the C1&C2 , and upon impact, immediately severing the central nervous system's afferent and efferent signals to the rest of the body.

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« Reply #94 on: October 10, 2010, 09:02:36 PM »
^ that method is too cruel, imho. The guillotine is better: Quick & Painless.
The crashing of the blade will sever the spinal cord at the level of the C1&C2 , and upon impact, immediately severing the central nervous system's afferent and efferent signals to the rest of the body.

Hay naku lethal injection nalang... kasakit pud ani.

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Re: Bishop Wants Death Penalty Revived in the Philippines
« Reply #95 on: October 10, 2010, 11:13:18 PM »
Hay naku lethal injection nalang... kasakit pud ani.

Mga baje sagad injection ang gusto...

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Re: Bishop Wants Death Penalty Revived in the Philippines
« Reply #96 on: October 10, 2010, 11:48:06 PM »
Mga baje sagad injection ang gusto...

lethal?  just as deadly?

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« Reply #97 on: October 11, 2010, 12:25:54 AM »
lethal?  just as deadly?

Oo, pero at least dili mafeel ang blade.

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« Reply #98 on: October 11, 2010, 12:28:55 AM »
Unsa pud kaha ang method of execution nga ilang gusto? Garrote?







unsa kaha ning tuiga?

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« Reply #99 on: October 11, 2010, 12:53:10 AM »
Oo, pero at least dili mafeel ang blade.

hehehe, claro kaajo 'maluuyon' ka, Belle. I can assure you that by the velocity of the blade's downward direction, then taking into consideration the thinness of the blade, the severance of the spinal cord at the C1 & C2 vertebrae will completely cut off all pain fibers traversing to the brain (CNS). Respiratory , cardiovascular, renal, and all other visceral organs will immediately shut down without neural interface. I assure you death by guillotine is quite merciful, and quick. For the one being executed, it is quick and painless. For those watching, it seems gruesome because of the spilling of blood. The latter is nothing but psychological. For the one being executed, it is the final and irreversible end.



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« Reply #100 on: October 11, 2010, 01:01:58 AM »
Hay naku lethal injection nalang... kasakit pud ani.

Lethal injecting, and guillotine are quick and effective. Di ko sa hanging kay there are cases in which those condemned to death literally had to experience hanging for over 40 minutes before expiring. If they are to die, let death come quick.

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« Reply #101 on: October 11, 2010, 07:24:30 AM »
hehehe, claro kaajo 'maluuyon' ka, Belle. I can assure you that by the velocity of the blade's downward direction, then taking into consideration the thinness of the blade, the severance of the spinal cord at the C1 & C2 vertebrae will completely cut off all pain fibers traversing to the brain (CNS). Respiratory , cardiovascular, renal, and all other visceral organs will immediately shut down without neural interface. I assure you death by guillotine is quite merciful, and quick. For the one being executed, it is quick and painless. For those watching, it seems gruesome because of the spilling of blood. The latter is nothing but psychological. For the one being executed, it is the final and irreversible end.





I understand dong, pero para sa aho... unsaon naman lang tong nagtan-aw na mga minahal? Maajo pa lethal I kay di pa tanto sakit tan-awon.

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« Reply #102 on: October 11, 2010, 07:36:58 PM »
Can we trust the justice system not sending an innocent person to the death chamber? I doubt it...

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« Reply #103 on: October 11, 2010, 08:13:50 PM »
unsa kaha ning tuiga?

1901. Usa ni ka pamaagi sa mga Katsila nga gipadayon sa mga Amerikano.

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« Reply #104 on: October 11, 2010, 10:59:42 PM »
1901. Usa ni ka pamaagi sa mga Katsila nga gipadayon sa mga Amerikano.

mao diay ni ang  paagi sa  death penalty sa una..

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« Reply #105 on: October 12, 2010, 08:16:06 AM »
mao diay ni ang  paagi sa  death penalty sa una..

Luoy kaayo ang patyon og ingon ini. Kana ra bang naa sa picture, parehas jud og nawong sa akong boss kaniadto...

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« Reply #106 on: October 12, 2010, 08:17:33 AM »
Luoy kaayo ang patyon og ingon ini. Kana ra bang naa sa picture, parehas jud og nawong sa akong boss kaniadto...

Bwehehehehe.... basin ga-imagine ka na maputdan ug ulo imo ex-boss

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« Reply #107 on: October 13, 2010, 10:30:11 PM »
Luoy kaayo ang patyon og ingon ini. Kana ra bang naa sa picture, parehas jud og nawong sa akong boss kaniadto...

rapist diay pud imong boss sa una bai?

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« Reply #108 on: October 13, 2010, 10:31:05 PM »
Bwehehehehe.... basin ga-imagine ka na maputdan ug ulo imo ex-boss

angay siguro kay rapist man ug nawong... ;D

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« Reply #109 on: October 13, 2010, 10:48:49 PM »
Wala ta kahibalo bisag wala nay sala bay, dili man sa nawong makit-an ang kinaiya sa tao.   :-\

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« Reply #110 on: October 13, 2010, 11:25:17 PM »
Wala ta kahibalo bisag wala nay sala bay, dili man sa nawong makit-an ang kinaiya sa tao.   :-\

bitaw basi pud ug naa bai wa ta kahibaw

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« Reply #111 on: October 14, 2010, 11:54:49 AM »
Bwehehehehe.... basin ga-imagine ka na maputdan ug ulo imo ex-boss

He he, you're very kind...  :-X

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« Reply #112 on: October 14, 2010, 11:55:40 AM »
rapist diay pud imong boss sa una bai?

He he, gamay ra kaayo nang salaa bay

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« Reply #113 on: October 14, 2010, 01:30:33 PM »
Wala ta kahibalo bisag wala nay sala bay, dili man sa nawong makit-an ang kinaiya sa tao.   :-\
bitaw.  si padre mariano gomez, padre jose burgos, ug padre jacinto zamora gi-garrote pod baya intawon.  di tawon sila nawong ug rapists.  nahimo hinoong national heroes.  (mag-kj usa kog sineryos ha?)

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The so-called Cavite Mutiny of workers in the arsenal in the naval shipyard over pay reduction owing to increased taxation produced a willing witness to implicate the three priests, who were summarily tried and sentenced to death by garrote.

...Significantly, in the archives of Spain, there is no record of how Izquierdo (the Spanish governor-general), himself a liberal, could have been influenced to authorize these executions. The aftermath of the witchhunt produced scores of suspects most of whom were exiled to Guam in the Marianas, who, except a few who managed to escape to other ports like Hong Kong, died there in penury.  It was a period when a pall of hopelessness enveloped the country, steeling the resolve and patriotism of a sentient minority, giving rise to a new generation of heroes of whom Rizal was to become the standard bearer. (wikipedia)

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Fathers Mariano Gomez, Jose Burgos, and Jacinto Zamora were the most prominent victims. They were implicated because their enemies wanted to silence the movement, headed by the three, to secularize the parishes in the Philippines.  A military court sentenced the three priests to die by the garrote on February 17, 1872.

In a massive outpouring of public sympathy, thousands gathered at the execution site even before dawn. Archbishop Meliton Martinez refused to defrock them despite the Governor-General's demand and ordered the tolling of bells of Manila churches as a funeral dirge for the executed priests. (from an article in Manila Bulletin, February 17, 2004)


FR. MARIANO GOMEZ
02 June 1824 - 17 February 1872
'Father Gómez... went to his death heroically.'
 

FR. JOSE BURGOS
09 February 1837 - 17 February 1872
'Father Burgos, hoping for a reprieve which never came and scanning the distance till the very last moment, met his death soaked in his own tears.'


FR. JACINTO ZAMORA
14 August 1835 - 17 February 1872
'Father Zamora... guileless and totally befuddled, died with a whimper.'


kamo bay ma-garrote, lalim bah.




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« Reply #114 on: October 14, 2010, 06:27:10 PM »
He he, gamay ra kaayo nang salaa bay

unsa pa man diay bai,,mangurutay ba pud?

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« Reply #115 on: October 14, 2010, 07:43:03 PM »
bitaw.  si padre mariano gomez, padre jose burgos, ug padre jacinto zamora gi-garrote pod baya intawon.  di tawon sila nawong ug rapists.  nahimo hinoong national heroes.  (mag-kj usa kog sineryos ha?)

Thank you for following through, Ms. Isle. One era's heroes are another's villains, but barbarity you recognize anywhere even with a languid eye.

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