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Are America's Best Days Behind Us?
« on: March 30, 2011, 07:25:05 PM »
By Fareed Zakaria Thursday, Mar. 03, 2011


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I am an American, not by accident of birth but by choice. I voted with my feet and became an American because I love this country and think it is exceptional. But when I look at the world today and the strong winds of technological change and global competition, it makes me nervous. Perhaps most unsettling is the fact that while these forces gather strength, Americans seem unable to grasp the magnitude of the challenges that face us. Despite the hyped talk of China's rise, most Americans operate on the assumption that the U.S. is still No. 1.

But is it? Yes, the U.S. remains the world's largest economy, and we have the largest military by far, the most dynamic technology companies and a highly entrepreneurial climate. But these are snapshots of where we are right now. The decisions that created today's growth — decisions about education, infrastructure and the like — were made decades ago. What we see today is an American economy that has boomed because of policies and developments of the 1950s and '60s: the interstate-highway system, massive funding for science and technology, a public-education system that was the envy of the world and generous immigration policies. Look at some underlying measures today, and you will wonder about the future. (Watch TIME's video "Why Cities Are Key to American Success in the 21st Century.")

The following rankings come from various lists, but they all tell the same story. According to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), our 15-year-olds rank 17th in the world in science and 25th in math. We rank 12th among developed countries in college graduation (down from No. 1 for decades). We come in 79th in elementary-school enrollment. Our infrastructure is ranked 23rd in the world, well behind that of every other major advanced economy. American health numbers are stunning for a rich country: based on studies by the OECD and the World Health Organization, we're 27th in life expectancy, 18th in diabetes and first in obesity. Only a few decades ago, the U.S. stood tall in such rankings. No more. There are some areas in which we are still clearly No. 1, but they're not ones we usually brag about. We have the most guns. We have the most crime among rich countries. And, of course, we have by far the largest amount of debt in the world.


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« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2011, 10:47:25 PM »
When I was 20 years old (meaning, 31 years ago), I was already told (or even taught) that America was self-destroying, like Rome did in ancient times when it was a world power. I didn't understand then and still can't conceptualize how it will take place... but it's certainly not a foreign thought or idea at all. On the other hand, China had the moniker of being "the sleeping giant." Is it possible that the changing of the guards is already taking place? Who knows...
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« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2011, 09:47:21 AM »
Sa akong tan-aw, barring unlikely unforeseen events, dugay pa kaayong ma-dislodge and America from the position it currently enjoys. Kining tweaks from prophets of doom (kunohay) like Zakaria mao ra ni silbi painit sa dunggan sa ilang policymakers...

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« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2011, 01:17:53 PM »
what goes up must come down.  history shows that no power, be it countries or persons, stays forever.  if it takes centuries for a country to develop, so does it take years for it to slide down to decay.  very often, this happens imperceptibly through a long period of time.  in the case of the u.s. of a., it may not happen in our lifetime.
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« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2011, 01:21:36 PM »
this noise about the ascendancy of china is only adding to the current chinese confidence that veers on arrogance.  and most of the claims about china rising are made by american opinion makers and writers.  sure, the chinese hold over a trillion u.s. treasury securities.   but is the u.s. a hostage debtor?  i doubt it.  so yes, doomsday pronouncements may just be wake-up calls for policymakers.

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« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2011, 01:24:59 PM »
the u.s. of a. still holds one of the things that gave it its current status:  as a nation of immigrants, it is strengthened by the contributions and talents of different cultures and races (as rome was when it was the center of power in ancient times).  unfortunately, the u.s. also has one of the things that bring down powerful nations (again, like rome at the peak of its grandeur): costly wars.    

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« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2011, 01:28:41 PM »

yes isles. rome in its zenith was fighting many border wars at any given time. then the political instability that was pronounced with the corruption of the emperors , and then the resulting assassination of emperors by the praetorian guard further crippled the empire. this hampered in its ability in maintaining its vast territory.

wars. yes, indeed, that was a major cause of rome's eventual fall.

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« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2011, 01:33:05 PM »

the roman empire buckled from within. to prevent an american collapse, the government of the united states of america have to ensure that the people are cared for and that the needs of the people are soothed. maintaining a large standing army is essential for the protection of national interest, but, a lesson america should learn from rome is this:

Too many wars is bad.

The united states needs to get out of iraq as soon as possible and then finish its deployment in afghanistan.

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« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2011, 01:35:56 PM »

Isles, before rome was born, even before the etruscan kingdom sprouted in italium, CHINA was already there. Before the pyriamids of egypt were built, CHINA was already there.

Considering the capabilities that China has, its growth potential and her national dynamic, we can only hope that she will be a benevolent power and not a militant one. Most of Asia (if not all) will be at the mercy of her national will.


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« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2011, 01:39:08 PM »

Peculiarly, there are observers who bask in the reflected "glory" of this so-called ascendancy...

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« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2011, 01:42:57 PM »
the chinese confidence in their ascendency is legitimized. They are currently growing at an unprecedented rate of over 7% and continuing. their military spending is quite large, and at almost $100 Billion a year. In the past year, China's economy eclipsed Japan's (then the 2nd largest economy in the world) as the 2nd largest economy in the world.

China is growing. She continues to industrialize and modernize. She needs raw natural resources to fuel this growth. Her military will make sure that it will not be threatened (sino-indian war of 1962, sino-vietnamese war of 1979, chinese involvement in the korean war, chinese pacification of tibet, speak of her militant nature and unyielding determination to uphold Chinese interests in the region).

facts are facts.

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a comparison of china's  & america's defense spending:

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« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2011, 01:56:25 PM »
it is only a matter of time ( i give it 3-4 decades time) that China will eclipse America. i only hope that China will be a benevolent power...

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« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2011, 10:19:08 PM »
Maybe the politicians still thinks war is good for U.S. economy ?

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« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2011, 10:33:49 PM »

no question about the presence of china being there (you must mean chinese civilization).  but then it's not as if other nations weren't there when "china was there".  in fact, it's not as if rome just sprouted one day or the land now called the united states weren't there.  but come to think of it, what does your reminding me of china's ancient presence got to do with china's current perceived ascendancy, its attendant arrogance, imagined or otherwise, and its threat to u.s. hegemony? 

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China's economy eclipsed Japan's [/b](then the 2nd largest economy in the world) as the 2nd largest economy in the world.

China is growing. She continues to industrialize and modernize. She needs raw natural resources to fuel this growth. Her military will make sure that it will not be threatened (sino-indian war of 1962, sino-vietnamese war of 1979, chinese involvement in the korean war, chinese pacification of tibet, speak of her militant nature and unyielding determination to uphold Chinese interests in the region).

facts are facts.

talk of materialism... it is as if all that matters in a country is material wealth.

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« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2011, 10:38:01 PM »

one even seems to be on the throes of first love with anything chinese.

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The Chinese Civilization , yes. The three sovereigns (the three emperors): Fu Xi, Shennong, and Huang Di (the yellow emperor) indicates the first Chinese civilization in 2076  BC. This represents 4,000 years of continuous history. Of course there were other pre-historic civilizations in what is now China that were populated by the early Han people (the Han ethnic group composes the majority of the Chinese population).

This suggests that historically speaking as well as pre-historically speaking, the region of modern-day China has been occupied thousands of years prior to recorded Chinese history. (it is estimated that the earliest hominids in China date back from 250,000 to 2.2 million years ago).


Of course, materialism is not what matters in regards to national history / civilization, but the progress and the contribution that nation, that civilization has given to the region and the world.

Chinese civilization heavily influenced other east-asian civilizations. The Chinese Confucian culture, specifically, as well as Chinese written language and political processes , influenced the civilizations in Korea (Koryo, Koguryo, Pekjae kingdoms), the Japanese clans and eventual Japanese empire, as well as the Vietnamese Dai Viet Kingdoms.

You are right, material wealth is not everything, cultural and lingustic as well as political machinations also are worthy of note.

China contributed greatly in terms of culture to the region. Politically speaking, the Chinese concept of 'Dynastic Rule' and 'Dynastic Processes' was eventually adopted in neighboring Korea, Japan, and Vietnam. As well as extending its influences in Burma, Siam, Khmer Empire (Cambodia) and also in much of the Malay Kingdoms; all of which paid annual tribute to the Emperor of China.

In terms of national strength and progression (as well as historical premise), all things are taken into conisideration: history, culture, military, material growth.




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« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2011, 11:53:03 PM »

No, not love, but interested in the political-economic-cultural dynamic of China in its relation to the world.

One cannot help but be interested in how China will be like to its neighbors. One can only hope that she will be a benevolent power. A nation that has over 1.3 billion people. A friendly China will be a benevolent power to its neighbors. A militant and hostile China would be a nightmare to many of its neighbors and adversaries.


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