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The letter sent by Albert Einstein to philosopher Eric Gutkind in January 1954 - " one year before the physicist's death" - detailing his beliefs about God and the Jewish people was auctioned on Thursday at Bloomsbury Auctions in London, and sold for the sum of 404,000 US dollars, including the buyer's premium. The letter had an auction starting price of 8,000 US dollars, 25 times less than that the obtained price. According to Rupert Powell, Bloomsbury director, the name of the buyer is yet unknown, but that person is probably a
theoretical physics passionate.

"This extraordinary letter seemed to strike a chord, and it gave a deep personal insight into one of the greatest minds of the 20th century," Powell said about the frenetic bidding.

In the letter to Gutkind, Einstein says that "the word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions."

"The Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are also no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them," said Einstein about the Jewish people.

Experts say that the letter is 100 percent authentic; it was first put up for auction in 1955 and has been in a private collection ever since. It is no secret that Einstein had some complex, agnostic views about religion, he did not believe in God, but felt uncomfortable being called atheist. Nevertheless, he did believe in faith to some extent and, although he was basically an atheist, he did recognize that a spiritual force may have been responsible for the birth universe. "God doesn't throw dice," Einstein said once about the random nature of the quantum mechanics.

"Like many great scientists of the past, he is rather quirky about religion, and not always consistent from one period to another," says John Brooke, emeritus professor of science and religion at Oxford University.

Towards the last days of his life, Einstein is said to have started wondering about the mysteries of the universe, to which he referred to as a "cosmic religious feeling", saying that: "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

However, this did not radically change his views on religion. "I do not believe in the God of theology who rewards good and punishes evil. My God created laws that take care of that. His universe is not ruled by wishful thinking, but by immutable laws. There is some kind of intelligence working its way through nature. But it is certainly not a conventional Christian or Judaic religious view," Einstein later said.


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« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2008, 04:00:51 PM »
Ambot kaha ug motoo bamo pero daghan dires Sweden ay parehas ug theory ni Einstein about God and religion. Daghan kaayo atheist dire pero di ka kabalo kay mga boutan sila ug mga honest.

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The letter sent by Albert Einstein to philosopher Eric Gutkind in January 1954 - " one year before the physicist's death" - detailing his beliefs about God and the Jewish people was auctioned on Thursday at Bloomsbury Auctions in London, and sold for the sum of 404,000 US dollars, including the buyer's premium. The letter had an auction starting price of 8,000 US dollars, 25 times less than that the obtained price. According to Rupert Powell, Bloomsbury director, the name of the buyer is yet unknown, but that person is probably a
theoretical physics passionate.

"This extraordinary letter seemed to strike a chord, and it gave a deep personal insight into one of the greatest minds of the 20th century," Powell said about the frenetic bidding.

In the letter to Gutkind, Einstein says that "the word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions."

"The Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are also no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them," said Einstein about the Jewish people.

Experts say that the letter is 100 percent authentic; it was first put up for auction in 1955 and has been in a private collection ever since. It is no secret that Einstein had some complex, agnostic views about religion, he did not believe in God, but felt uncomfortable being called atheist. Nevertheless, he did believe in faith to some extent and, although he was basically an atheist, he did recognize that a spiritual force may have been responsible for the birth universe. "God doesn't throw dice," Einstein said once about the random nature of the quantum mechanics.

"Like many great scientists of the past, he is rather quirky about religion, and not always consistent from one period to another," says John Brooke, emeritus professor of science and religion at Oxford University.

Towards the last days of his life, Einstein is said to have started wondering about the mysteries of the universe, to which he referred to as a "cosmic religious feeling", saying that: "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

However, this did not radically change his views on religion. "I do not believe in the God of theology who rewards good and punishes evil. My God created laws that take care of that. His universe is not ruled by wishful thinking, but by immutable laws. There is some kind of intelligence working its way through nature. But it is certainly not a conventional Christian or Judaic religious view," Einstein later said.[/size]
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« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2008, 05:38:43 PM »

A, i knew many Agnostics diri sa Merika, mga buotan man sad sila.
Naa ra jud na sa tawo unsa ilang subayon nga rules sa kinabuhi in order to survive and get along with anyone.


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« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2008, 05:44:47 PM »

Agree! mag boutan pa gani sa uban die-hard Christians.

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« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2008, 07:11:29 PM »
Mao. maglibog ko tinood usahay kon ngano ang atong country nga tanan motoo Ginoo mga 80 M more or less ka tawo, hangtod ron sigi paman gihapon sila pang abuso sa pang gobyerno ug daghang mga k******n, murderers. etc.. you name it.



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« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2008, 07:15:01 PM »
B, dire morag 15% ra siguro sa pure Swedes ang dili atheist. Kadaghanan nila mga highly educated pa. Di sila too God pero ila gisubay ang nakasulat sa bibliya nga maayong guide sa panginabuhi.



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« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2008, 02:47:13 AM »
Einstein writes about a pan-Divine figure in his letters and it stimulates me to think that this man, this logical minded scientist, who indulged in not only philosophical thought, but in meta-physics and concept of worm theory, even had some kind of internal debate on the Divine.

What I like about Einstein's views on Divinity is that it was speculation and understanding and part faith. It boggles my mind that a man as great as Einstein, the father of Relativity and Advanced Physics, even could not answer the questions of the day.

What drives me is that why he did not totally reject the notion of a God, unlike other scientists such as Nietzsche, Freud, and Darwin.

Einstein's Letters on the Divine,
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A human being is part of the whole called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. We experience ourselves, our thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest. A kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from the prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty. The true value of a human being is determined by the measure and the sense in which they have obtained liberation from the self. We shall require a substantially new manner of thinking if humanity is to survive.


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The most beautiful and most profound experience is the sensation of the mystical. It is the sower of all true science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead. To know that what is impenetrable to us really exists, manifesting itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty which our dull faculties can comprehend only in their primitive forms - this knowledge, this feeling is at the center of true religiousness.

-Dr. Albert Einstein.

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« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2008, 02:49:28 AM »
It makes me smile with great delight to read how Dr. Einstein, himself, referred to the Divine as the "True Knowledge".




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