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Re: GOD KONO sa HINDU,,
« Reply #80 on: June 20, 2011, 06:51:23 AM »
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98 kg gold, Rs.12 crore cash found in Sathya Sai Baba's chamber


HYDERABAD - June 17 (IANS) Around Rs.12 crore ($2.6 million) in cash and nearly 100 kg of gold were found from Yajur Mandir, the personal chamber of late spiritual guru Sathya Sai Baba, at Prashanti Nilayam in Puttaparthi of Anantapur district, a trust official said.

A day after the Sathya Sai Central Trust opened the locks of Yajur Mandir, trust member and Baba's nephew R.J. Ratnakar Friday evening announced details of the cash and valuables found inside.

He told reporters at Puttaparthi that they found Rs.11.56 crore, 98 kg gold and 307 kg silver. Ratnakar said the cash would be deposited with State Bank of India (SBI).

Some bank officials and about 15 disciples of Baba, in the presence of trust members, have since Thursday counted the cash and valued the gold jewellery.

Ratnakar, however, denied that they found any will of Baba. He also evaded queries if the trust found any documents about Baba's personal caregiver Satyajit. There are speculations that the spiritual guru wanted Satyajit to be a member of the powerful trust.

Yajur Mandir, also known as Yajurveda Mandir, had remained closed ever since Sathya Sai Baba was hospitalised March 28 with multi-organ dysfunction. He died April 24.

The trust, which manages the huge spiritual empire led by Baba, owns assets in Puttaparthi, Bangalore, Hyderabad and other cities.


Chris, you should also look into the sexual molestation charges that the late Sai baba was pressed with. It's rather despicable. What kind of 'god' would need to molest children to satiate his 'earthly' sexual desires? tsk tsk tsk.

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Re: GOD KONO sa HINDU,,
« Reply #81 on: June 20, 2011, 08:19:39 AM »



"In order to kill the demon of egotism (Madāsura) who had attacked him, Gaṇeśa Vighnarāja throws his lotus at him. Unable to bear the fragrance of the divine flower, the demon surrenders to Gaṇeśa."




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« Reply #82 on: June 20, 2011, 08:29:51 AM »
"A Wise Person Once Said if You Point a Finger at Somebody, Three More Are Pointing Back At You"


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Re: GOD KONO sa HINDU,,
« Reply #83 on: June 20, 2011, 08:36:08 AM »
An old Chinese proverb,

"It is better to be foolish when young, as time will provide experiences. It is unfortunate if one is old and foolish, for life has taught him neither lesson nor fortitude...."


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« Reply #84 on: June 20, 2011, 08:40:57 AM »
A Chinese proverb,

"A lotus flower is weak as it buckles to the will of the river. Be not a lotus flower, which has no strength of will, but be like the rock, which can withstand the currents."

Point: Be wise in your decisions and be firm about it. Only fools defend what is wrong.

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« Reply #85 on: June 20, 2011, 10:21:12 AM »
I am not arguing with you – I am telling you. --James M. Whistler

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« Reply #86 on: June 20, 2011, 12:08:58 PM »
ayaw na pag yawyaw nong. You've hijacked this thread and many others too much. :)

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Re: GOD KONO sa HINDU,,
« Reply #87 on: June 20, 2011, 12:09:59 PM »
"A Wise Person Once Said if You Point a Finger at Somebody, Three More Are Pointing Back At You"


 ;D

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Re: GOD KONO sa HINDU,,
« Reply #88 on: June 20, 2011, 02:51:05 PM »
I was hoping to mitigate some wholesale grandstanding here, but apparently mine is a lost cause…  :P

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« Reply #89 on: June 21, 2011, 11:14:17 PM »
Your hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me. Why, you've hijacked this thread.  6-8 pages worth was your 'wholesale grandstanding'. lol.

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Re: GOD KONO sa HINDU,,
« Reply #90 on: June 21, 2011, 11:18:26 PM »
This sai baba fellow was truly a living example of a wolf in sheep's clothing. He hijacked the belief systems of many hindus , fooled them into thinking that he was a god. Yet at the same time hungered for money and monetary donations for the growth of his religious-financial-empire. Truly, his hometown grew and prospered during his stint as a living 'deity' (tho no now defunct as he perished). A self claimed 'god' who succumbed to multi-organ failure. If he was a 'god' he could have cured himself. Not to mention the countless sexual harassment charges pressed on this 'god'. What kind of a god has to sexually molest children? Doesn't sound like a god, more like some kind of demented pedophile. Sick old man.



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« Reply #91 on: June 21, 2011, 11:42:43 PM »

MAJOR EXPOSURE OF ALLEGED SEXUAL ABUSES BY SATHYA SAI BABA





The unaccountable, secretive nature of Sathya Sai Baba and his organization

Had Sathya Sai Baba - plus his various officials - opened up to genuinely independent investigation and responded frankly and honestly to vital questions about his activities, there might have been some room left for doubt about the more serious accusations against him. However, the likelihood of this happening is absolutely minimal... not least after the major cover-up from the highest levels of the Indian power structure of murders in Sathya Sai Baba's bedroom at night in 1993, the documented and undenied presence there of an underage male student at the time, and the intensive cult of secrecy which has often been shown to be endemic to all Sathya Sai Baba's ashrams and official bodies.

The one great fear of all those implicated in the cover-up - and of a great many of the devotees - is that this matter will successfully be brought to court. Even outside India, any court case connected to Sathya Sai Baba could open the opportunity of presenting the wide-ranging and detailed evidence and sworn affidavits by young men claiming sexual abuse by him. However, for Indians who were so misused to stand up or raise a legal case is beyond their means and the risks that can be taken. Against such a powerful and protected person with such enormous funds behind him and being fully backed by Prime Ministers, other heads of state and many rich and powerful persons in many countries of the world, is demanding above and beyond the financial funding and socio-political influence of these younger persons in India. Before the many allegations of sexual crimes, Sathya Sai Baba remains guiltily silent and evasive. Though his guilt is not formally proven in court, nor is his innocence.

In this situation, the main recourse of victims and their helpers is presently the investigative international media. The first-hand directly-presented accounts of being sexually abused by Sai Baba by highly articulate young men in interview with highly-respected national broadcasters (Danish TV) were neither denied nor challenged by Sai Baba (or his chief minions). This fact itself speaks a loud and clear 'message'. Further, these brave persons who spoke out cannot bring Sai Baba to court because he stays well out of harm's way in India, where he has demonstrated that he exercises decisive influence over the judiciary and government. But the first-hand testimonies are also backed up by an ever-accumulating mass of circumstantial evidence, some of which is to be presented in concise form in the forthcoming texts. While the accused hides away in absentia and safe from Indian courts, the court of humanity at large has now sufficient direct and corroborative evidence to make up its mind on the matter.

Devotees who cannot face the truth will doubtless continue to follow Sathya Sai Baba's edicts like"See only the good" and "Hear no evil" - and other such clever self-defences Sai Baba has long inculcated in them, which we now see functions well to protect himself from their scrutiny. However, it taxes the imagination to see how anyone can follow such impossible fact-defying edicts permanently without becoming deeply stuck in a web of untruth and hypocrisy, at the least where Sathya Sai Baba is involved.

Sathya Sai Baba has claimed to be divinity and purity itself claiming that the only way to judge people's words is by their actions, and that the validity of his entire teaching rests on his Divine Nature... but in view of the indubitable allegations, his greatest abuse becomes the abuse of people's faith, not only in him but in what he teaches under his slogan "My Life is My Message" (which he also plagiarised from Mahatma Gandhi).


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Re: GOD KONO sa HINDU,,
« Reply #92 on: June 21, 2011, 11:51:13 PM »
Your hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me. Why, you've hijacked this thread.  6-8 pages worth was your 'wholesale grandstanding'. lol.

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"A Wise Person Once Said if You Point a Finger at Somebody, Three More Are Pointing Back At You"  (also from lorenzo)

jawohl!  lorenz answers himself!  ;D

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Re: GOD KONO sa HINDU,,
« Reply #93 on: June 21, 2011, 11:54:57 PM »
"A Wise Person Once Said if You Point a Finger at Somebody, Three More Are Pointing Back At You"  (also from lorenzo)

jawohl!  lorenz answers himself!  ;D

I never claimed to be perfect, from from it. My post was a necessary post to answer to an old man's ranting and indirect rude comments.

Now. back to the thread. Please.



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« Reply #94 on: June 21, 2011, 11:55:57 PM »
A long history of reports through decades: In various interviews stretching over several decades, Sathya Sai Baba (Sathya Sai Baba) has informed of a coming huge scandal about him, which clever bit of precautionary 'fall-back' against the day it actually came has since deceived many into doubting and/or ignoring the mass of facts and credible, courageously-published accounts. If, as very widely reported, he engaged in constant sexual activity, he then would certainly have realised that even he, with his very secretive and power-wielding confederates, could most likely not keep it a secret for ever. Thus, he would have tried to prepare the ground against the day it came out, so as not to lose too much prestige, or too many followers and donors as a result. It has actually come out on a number of occasions in different parts of the world, at least since the 1970s.

One major question about what are alleged by Sai followers to be 'rumours' about his homosexual activities remains: How could such allegations arise from so many countries and individuals over decades, independent of one another, and backed up by many written accounts and signed affidavits by alleged victims, and by television interviews with such victims made by reputed national broadcasters who investigated the matter? By examining in some detail the history of these allegations, one can better decide whether or not these instances can be a case of 'no smoke without fire'.

Due to the general difficulties prior to the 1990s web revolution of locating or contacting other ex-devotees spread around the world, the scandals that broke remained fairly local and did not become widely known, especially throughout the Sai movement, which is systematically compartmentalised precisely so as to maintain intternal control and censorship on all dissent of any kind. Accounts of Sai Baba being a homosexual and paedophile have circulated in diverse circles in India during the 1970s (to be summarised here later). His predilection for homosexual relations was reportedly widely known in Puttaparthi when he shared his rooms with a young man called Krishna (they were called 'Radha-Krishna' where they went together everywhere hand in hand, according to the long-term worshipper Vijayamma). Mrs. Bitten Nelson of Denmark firmly indicated what has been known all along to many villagers, none of whom dare say a word about it due to the huge power wielded threateningly by the Sai Baba camp.

The scandals about sexual abuse of male students among Malaysian devotees around 1980 which caused resignations from the Org. in Malaysia, apparently was very little known in the West. The following information was sent to me by a person who wishes to remain anonymous, having distanced himself socially from all connection with Sai Baba. "When I became aware of Sai Baba's activities on some male Malaysian students studying at the Sai institutions in Whitefield and Puttaparthi, I carried out my own inquiries and dropped out from that movement. So did many devotees in Malaysia f these male students, I am unable to reveal their identities. It is not fair to them. I remember having advised them in 1980 to keep their identities confidential and not be overzealous since they have lives to lead and they should forget about what had happened to them. An American boy, Terry Scott, who was a contemporary of these Malaysian students, left the Sai College together with the rest of the Malaysians. There were many devotees who left the cult. Those holding office in Sai organisations in Malaysia did not do so but quite a number of them may have quietly slipped out of the cult."

Barry Pittard also writes of another former Australian devotee, Connie R. of Cooma, in the State of New South Wales , who visited a Malaysian devotee family during a stopover to India.She said that she heard a disturbingly authentic cassette tape of an Indian Malaysian boy's account of sexual molestation by Sathya Sai Baba. The boy had attended the Sathya Sai college at Whitefield, where Pittard had taught for two years. Horrified, his parents had withdrawn him from that institution. Convinced of the truthfulness of the account by the boy and by the family, and deeply disgusted, Connie R. cancelled her trip.
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Likewise, a scandal about sexual abuse of a Greek boy in the Sai College in Greece and similar accounts in Yugoslavia in the 1980s did not reach or affect other countries in Europe . Meanwhile, a major scandal arose independently in the USA in the early 1980s about which the leader of the US Sai organisation, Dr. John Hislop, wrote letters to leaders in the Sai Org. there advising them to suppress the facts as unconfirmed. Again, in France and Belgium around 1990, there was apparently much talk about Sai Baba being a homosexual, which only seeped through to some followers in a few other countries. Only when the Internet provided the means for communication between alleging victims spread and isolated here and there, did the world-wide exposé of Sathya Sai Baba's various activities begin to come together from 1999 onwards.


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Re: GOD KONO sa HINDU,,
« Reply #95 on: June 21, 2011, 11:57:59 PM »
For the full article, please visit:

http://www.saibaba-x.org.uk/6/SaiSex2.htm#rev1


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I've been following the sexual abuse cases that the late baba was involved in. This man was truly sick.

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« Reply #96 on: June 22, 2011, 12:43:51 AM »



"In order to kill the demon of egotism (Madāsura) who had attacked him, Gaṇeśa Vighnarāja throws his lotus at him. Unable to bear the fragrance of the divine flower, the demon surrenders to Gaṇeśa."




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« Reply #97 on: June 22, 2011, 12:50:25 AM »
I never claimed to be perfect, from from it. My post was a necessary post to answer to an old man's ranting and indirect rude comments.

Now. back to the thread. Please.


this thread does not involve only your condemnation of a guy you've never met who's now dead.  while he claimed to be some sort of a god, in your humility meanwhile you give the impression that you're a good christian.  how christian can one be if one mocks another faith, such as your rude comments about the hindu faith?  (please bother to review your posts on this; i believe these are the ones hubag had reacted to, which you now label as hypocrisy.  maybe it's time to learn nuanced language, symbolisms, and elegant english?)

i hope you haven't lost sight of the fact that forum readers are not illiterate.  you ridicule the hindu faith and now you want us to believe that this thread is only all about your rants against sai baba who does not even represent that faith?

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