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Yes, ingoon si Inday Angel nako that you can see the stars so well over there kono.

They were in the foot of the hills of Athens, the very area where Aristotle thought and instructed his students--some thousands of years ago kono.

So historical ni ang Greece.

kani si Andre Nicholas
my baby brother and beloved brother.


On his 9th Birthday.





My Lola Nating would have loved Andre.
Kai Intchik kaayo hahaha.

hahaha! mao jud!
Chinese beauty jud ni si Andre.
Pariho sa among Lola Nating. 100% chinese gud to si Lola.

hahaha, mao ba?
First baby boy baya ko ni mommy.

My dad's compadres always tell me kono, "Dong, you are like a carbon copy of your papa"

hahaha, tinuud ba?

Kani this was in 1986 (1 y/o pa ko)
Engr. Rico Lucino and Mrs. Lucino   with me in the middle 
(Daddy ug Mommy nako)


In 2008,
Engr. Rico Lucino and Mommy Lucino lol!


Engr. Lucino and Mrs. Lucino, again.
Ka gwapo ni Daddy

hahaha. seeing your lolo reminds me of my own beloved and precious Lolo Ciano.

sorry, i don't understand tagalog.

English, Spanish, Latin, Ukrainian or Bisaya ra.

Can you translate it for me, bud?


Would appreciate it.

Thanks for the update, Priscilla. Thanks for being so concerned and caring on our fellow Americans.

Take care over there in Bohol.

When adversity knocks, you knock back.

The Lord is my only strength jud, when it comes to difficult times.
In Happy Times, Glorify The Lord
In Hard Times, Trust in The Lord
In Successful Times, Kneel before the Lord
In Sad Times, Call on the Lord.

cute man lagi ning tarsier.
Di man mo hikog ang tarsier uy.

Silly, Roy.

Stop being ridiculous.

Quote from: ayessa on March 07, 2009, 06:00:15 AM
dli ka mo congrats nako lorenzo? tungod nimo na tubag bohol hero ko?
hahahah

haha do you only want my congratulation, Roy?
If so, I feel special. LOL

Sige, congrats to you too.

awww, **big hug**

feel beter, 'te Ging.

Quote from: Ginger on March 07, 2009, 05:44:55 AM
hi dong, sorry. late ko ug basa ani nga thread. nag negosyo pako sa google with "G"

nganong nangita ka naku?

why did you send that thing to me last night. i had nightmares. LOL

o god, hahaha sige sige.

Good luck with 'G'

Bem, congrats on the 7000 posts!

The movie, "Postal" is definitely a must see.

Hahaha, hilarious flick.

The good friends I've made in here, and seeing us grow as a family in numbers.
Seeing people come, and go, graduations, births, baptismals.

Even seeing the TB EB gathering, and just having a sense of connection--and family-ness.

This is why I really am fond of Tubag Bohol.

To all in here who I consider close friends. I only wish all of you the best in the things you do, the aspirations you all have. May all your plans be opened to you, according to the Will of Our Lord.

Truly Yours,
Bran Lorenzo

hahahaha, we had a joke last night man gud, 'te belle.
hahahahahahahha!

o god o god. 'te' dali diri ba!!

Fwew thang goodness its a  friday. I'm cleaning the apartment, cooking some adobo chicken too. Thank goodness i have 2 days to relax and recuperate

Thank The Lord.

lol, where is Ate Aleth when I need her right now.

hahaha, 'te! dali dinhi ba!

puahahahahaha! ayaw pa suko ha

kuan lang ko--sa original HDTV DVD

ah dili diay?

hahahah, what can I say about TB.

Truly, it is a hive of different personalities, with varying calibers, and spontaneous 'traits'. lol.

Maybe its their way of releasing their stress to the world.

tralalala with Lorenzo?

ano?

Quote from: ayessa on March 07, 2009, 05:17:45 AM
kadto ba mga tawo who are suffering from ADHD?

if suffering ADHD, tagaai lang sila ug Ritalin or Adderall.

Quote from: ms da binsi on March 07, 2009, 05:16:49 AM
how many times nanaad ko nga di na jud ko mo ukab sa TB! pero naa ra japun ko diri! di maka pugngan ang mga pagnanasa! hwahahahhha

lol, i heare ya, 'te.

Ooo, another one, I was actually drawn to Mike's Balaks.

They were so deep--and motivated me to learn deeper bisaya.

Thanks, Mike.

Stress relief.

How was your day today, btw?

lol, ehem. ehem. ehem.

hahahahahaha!

"Intchik cute" hahahahaha!

Ondoy Andre (my baby brother) w/ his Star Wars Stormtrooper. hahaha


My baby bro. hahahaha!
Claro kaayo Bol-anon jud. Valencianon pa jud. Hahahaha

da! vodka gi pick! hahahahaha!
Unsa'y brand, 'day bem? "Blue Goose"?   "Stoletov"?

haahaha! ikaww ha!

palainum man diay ka. sige, mo inum ta duha pohon.

You have to beat me in shots. LOL

Quote from: Ginger on March 07, 2009, 04:54:13 AM
hahaha dili plato basagon. planggana!

honestly, di ko ka remember unsa ko nga year ana sa college. basin 4th yr.

Aleth darling,
You are so cute! hahaha tinuud ni gi ingoon nako, gwapa lagi ka Aleth!

Some pictures of the trip my baby sister, Angeli, took when she was in Hellas (Greece)

Amazing kaayo, diba?


An Old Amphitheater


Greece's Hills


The lone Boholana-American in the group. LoL


Si Inday and the group





The Lucino Representative to Greece. hahaha.

Quote from: kiamoy on March 06, 2009, 11:53:44 PM


hala kisa ni?!?!?!

sus, ka gwapa nimo, Aleth Hazel.

bembem, i didn't know you were the palainum type. mmmmmmm!

Quote from: Nikon_D300 on March 02, 2009, 07:13:43 AM








The Cars will follow later

haha, i love these shots.

It just reminds me of the good ole' days I had with my college buddies.

But yea back to the topic tho.

Another thing; mind what hand you use when shaking hands with Middle Easterners.

haha, i was just joking, Roy Roger.

Angry at me again?

I'm sorry, Ate Ging.

Is Rosamia a robot?

lolz, please pass me a german blonde vixen, Roy.

Por favor~

hahahaha

Quote from: ayessa on March 07, 2009, 04:35:01 AM
Sometimes Germans also practice the "Dutch Treat".  So if you go out on a date with somebody, be ready with some extra cash, you might be paying your own food.

Now I know. Thanks for the heads up, bud.

lol, so its similar to how Americans will ask, "Wanna come over?" after meeting a person in a bar, club, etc.

haha, now how are those German Girls treating you over there, Roy?

Another good song that I heard today, "Uptown Girl" by Billy Joel.
Catchy classic.

I couldn't help myself from looking at the well-built Dutch girls.
lol.

I flew on Lufthansa. The airhostesses there were also eye-candy. Kept me busy for the 3 hours I was on the flight to Kiev.

2 hours isn't too bad. I had Biochem from 8-10; then Med Physiology from 10-12. Went with a lady friend to get some coffee from 12:20-1pm. nice one too, lol.
Finished the day with a long lecture for Med Gen from 1:30-3pm.

The day is done. Going out with some guys tonight to some post-exam gathering. The girl that I have a crush on in class will be there tonight, raba.
hahaha, so let me ask. What should I wear? Khakis and a polo w/ a black belt? Or should I go more semi-formal?

Staring and eye contact is a 'no no' apparently in The Netherlands.

In spring of 06', I stopped by Amsterdam on my way to the Ukraine for an exchange program to the Kiev Mohyla Academy of Law and Sciences. Now, normally when I meet an individual, I introduce myself with a firm and hard handshake and meet his/her eyes. I like to have eye contact I converse.

But I found out that in The Netherlands and parts of Europe that staring and constant eye contact is apparently 'rude'.

Wierd, because here in the United States, eye contact is a sign of confidence and respect. Showing little eye contact is considered rude by some of us Americans.

But yea, Amsterdam. Fun times. lol

lol. hahaha, my day just started (done with classes) and yours is about to end. lol

How is Germany? How was your day, mi amigo?

Good Afternoon, Roy.

lol, this thread cracked me up. Talk about a break from studies.

Good night/morning, ladies and gents.

I'm going to take my leave.

Back to work.

God Bless all of Us.

hahaha

lol

Salamat, Glacier.

Ben,
What is the meaning of mabdus?

lol

LOL

Or as you would say, "Dagohoy English"

lol, stop picking on me. There is a reason why I'm not an English major. hmp!

Why are still replying to me. Go to bed.

yes.

of course.

Quote from: ayessa on March 06, 2009, 10:09:40 AM
Who was comparing, irrelevant cases?

(Pastor case and the religion flies you into building comment)

Who was saying contempt of court, is saying no?

Who was saying this is colloquial (qouted by) even when the text is not figurative?

Roy, its 3 am. Go to sleep. i can't believe this guy. lol

Quote from: ayessa on March 06, 2009, 10:07:20 AM
Now who is losing anything intellectual to add? who cant do a good rebuttal?  me?

lol. let us agree that we are both thick-headed.




God Bless,

Quote from: ayessa on March 06, 2009, 10:06:34 AM
Matulog na ko ondoy enzo ha?  alas tres na diri.  dont take things seriously . mabawasan lang imung pagka cute..


Da lagi ka!

thank you. i know im cute. hahahaha

good night, be good. and remember, dont choke on words.

or~

hahahahaha peace!

Quote from: ayessa on March 06, 2009, 10:02:24 AM
congratulations to me. Im a Bohol trusted hero now. thanks to lorenzo for the chat.hahaha

1. I enjoyed the conversation and your digressions.

2. The power of the world wide web allows us too pool information, Roy. hehe.

3. And remember, it is physically impossible to put words in one's mouth.

lol, Roy, Roy, is this a tactic of yours on anything? When you loose anything intellectual to add, you digress and add in personal remarks?

Just from observation.

Quote from: ayessa on March 06, 2009, 09:56:27 AM
Dont put words on my mouth Lorenzo. Your example provided me information that abortion is legal in oakland..  and please, every one knows that america has federal states, and that each state have different laws.

I can't put words in your mouth, its impossible to physically put words in one's mouth.

This is why such a poster that Ben shared with us, definitely, fall in grounds for legal suite.

Guarantee you that.

That said,

Let it be known that here in the United States, any racist comments, sexual and bigoted comments on one's race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, religious identification, size, physical appearance, can fall within the grounds for legal suite.

As such can fall into grounds for discrimination. The United States courts are not friendly to those who commit such crimes, as already mandated by the promulgation of The Civil Rights Acts, and the advances established by the NAACP, the ACLU and other watch groups.


Best,
Lorenzo

Quote from: ayessa on March 06, 2009, 09:48:26 AM
I did not say, that it is legal in all states Lorenzo.  You mentioned abortion, that it is legal in Oakland, as cited in the example.

Im am anti abortion Lorenzo.  My view on abortion, is purley irrelevant to what we are discussing about religious freedom and the right to self expression

I don't care about your personal opinion on the matter, Roy.
I care about the legal aspect; the constitutionality and the totality of the Law.

I want the correct information; so that the Boholanos in here will know of the true stance of the United States and not on one's interpretation.

I wanted to correct your statement.

As propagating false and incomplete information would do more harm than good.

Funny that you mentioned about abortion; abortion is not universal in the 'states.

In the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision, the Supreme Court ruled that women, in consultation with their physician, have a constitutionally protected right to have an abortion in the early stages of pregnancy—that is, before viability—free from government interference.
(but note that it is only in the 1st trimester; after that, it is illegal to do so)

Note that only 32 states out of the 50 states utilize Parental Consent laws.

Abortion is limited in the United States. And as I said earlier, the USA is far more conservative than Europe.

Some European countries recognize same sex marriages.
The majority of US states do not recognize such unions. Aside from two known states: California and Massachusetts (both of whom are liberal blue states) ; and this is only in a limited context; certain cities only of said states.


Back to the topic

source:http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0904509.html

Quote from: ayessa on March 06, 2009, 09:29:11 AM
Let me take the merits of both case point by point.

1.  The pastor's protest was an intrusion of private rights, the comment on" religion flies you into buildings"  does not intrude private rights.

2.  "Religion flies you into buildings" is an expression of strong disgust on how religion has become the root cause of war , trouble, misery..  The commenter was safe of religious discrimination, because he did not point out any religious sect.  If the comment was, "Religion placed children at danger.", would the catholic church dare to react on this?  I guess not.

3.  The pastor, was in fact using a religious sect, to lobby his protest invoking the Judeo -Christian dogma of "pro-life". ( which is actually legal)

4.  The pastor was few feet, meter away from the abortion clinic.  His protests were purely intended to harass private persons.

This is how liberal your laws in the US are Lorenzo.  Abortion is even legal.  This contradicts your view that US is a conservative society.

1. The comment is an intrusion of private right. Does it not affect sensitive muslims? or civil rights proponents?
2. This statement is an abuse of civil rights and is filled with malice and disrespect towards religious individuals, indirectly targeting muslims. In no way am I a muslim, but I respect their right to worship. That said statement is, thus, grossly an indirect example of religious discrimination. Secondly, in no way can we decide on the actions of the catholic church.

3. That is your own view. The fact is, his argument was that he was utilizing his 1st Amendment Right, the freedom of expression and free speech.

4. This is an example of how freedom of speech, itself, as intrisic as it is, has its own limitations. Constitutional rights themselves, must also answer to the laws of the individual states.

Please digest that. Roy.

Roy, how about I invite you to come to the 'states, rent a car and parade that poster on the outer surface of our automobile in downtown NYC.

And see what will happen.

Think of it as a lab experiment. Then you can write a written analysis on the data, the results and your conclusion.


Lorenzo

Remember what happened to the WBC. $11 Million for punitive damage.

Let me argue your last question. First of all I never argued that the statement 'religion flies you into buildings' can lead one into jail.

I did say, however, many pages ago, that it could warrant a civil litigation. As in being sued.

That statement is an example of freedom expression, is it not?
As was the pastor's case. And it is an example of how freedom of expression can be overridden if it violates personal/private rights.

If a poster with such a comment was to be paraded in the United States and attracted the attention of muslims, christians, and the ACLU; I guarantee you, one will have a legal suite.

Quote from: ayessa on March 06, 2009, 09:14:13 AM
OK. Let us not be emotional here and go back to the original proposition. ok?

By your lead.

I never declared that I know everything, Roy.

I am just a simple student, remember. For me, learning is part of life, and asking and assuming is a way of being corrected.

We are not all born correct and never wrong like you, Roy.

Roy, I am in a 7 year M.D/PhD dual program.



Sige, good luck on your Ph.D dissertation.

I never denied you were a smart individual.

Quote from: ayessa on March 06, 2009, 09:07:35 AM
Contempt in court? Do you even understand the meaning of that?

Contempt in court, is when you do not follow rules of conduct in court.  You do not respect the court.

Yes, when he said 'No' to the judge. That can be considered contempt of court.

lol

why are you asking me, im not a law student.

(not at you tho) just laugh.

Quote from: ayessa on March 06, 2009, 09:07:35 AM
Contempt in court? Do you even understand the meaning of that?

Contempt in court, is when you do not follow rules of conduct in court.  You do not respect the court.

LOL

Roy, I thought you said we can debate after I finish.

hahaha. o goodness the irony.

You make me laugh, sir.

Anyways,

back to the topic.

Can you wait  6 years?

MD/PhD takes 6 years.

lol

Quote from: ayessa on March 06, 2009, 09:01:32 AM
Let us stick to the main proposition Lorenzo.  You have mentioned that this comment " Religion flies you into buildings" would land you in american jails.

How in any case, you would connect this comment to the case cited by glacier.

hahaha.. The right to self expression.

This is entirely differently. Did he abuse private rights when he made this comment? I think not.

Did he abuse private rights with this comment? It is obvious that he was acting in contempt in the court room.

Here is the scenario, Roy Roger (lol):

1. The pastor and the pro-life supporters were expressing their freedom of free speech and freedom of expression in protesting the abortion clinic
2. However, the violated California Law that prohibits stepping within the 8 feet zone of an abortion clinic.

Clearly, Roy, this is a case where freedom of expression is overruled by state regulation.


With black coffee in my hand (and no sugar),
Lorenzo

Quote from: ayessa on March 06, 2009, 08:59:10 AM
Just simple logic would lead you to a better answer Lorenzo and besides, should you have sought legal advice, then you should not have posted that case here, and just directly ask a lawyer, right?

I posted because its food for thought.

My head is reading biochemistry, physiology, anatomy, science all day. Treating patients.

Reading about politics and something un-medical related is a release, actually. lol

Roy, if I ever would seek legal advice, I will make sure to hire the best of the best that graduated form Harvard Law.



that or I could send you an email. and maybe you could offer me a small tidbit. hahaha

Peace.

haha, Roy, please, you're not going to change my view.

Let us end this in agreeing that we both disagree. hahaha

The courts made a decision, Roy, that it was an intrusion of private rights.
But the pastor and many others that are in his side, would claim that he was expressing his Right to Freedom of Expression and Freedom of Speech.

Like I said, this is a rather excellent topic for debate in a legal course.

Roy, I respect your view point. And that is I will not engage personal remarks.

Roy, we were not discussing abortion. Please stick to the topic.



you are quite the spicy individual. lol

Quote from: ayessa on March 06, 2009, 08:51:19 AM
That pastor should have placed his protest in the right avenue, that is, protesting in front of the city council, legalizing abortion.

That was an instrusion of private rights.

That was invoking religious doctrines, in a non-secular case. 

hehehe

One can make a debate that he was expressing his Freedom of Expression, Roy.
hehe, this scenario, am sure, is in topic debate in Law Schools in the United States.

As i said earlier, am just a simple med student. Perhaps more Law Students in the Philippines and/or the US can shed some more light?

Id like to hear from an attorney's/law student's point of view.
(no offense to you, Roy, I do however, still respect your views and cherish your intellectual viewpoint) hehe

Roy, Your examples apply for Holland, alone.

The laws and regulations we have here in the United States are different from those in Europe. Europe is a bit more liberal.

The United States, still is quite conservative.

In order for us to understand how said scenario will manifest in the United States, one needs to have a firm bearing on the constitutional processes and laws of the United States.

Thank You for sharing your well written input. As i do enjoy learning from different points of views. I hope that our conversation in here was productive.



Your Brother In Christ,
Bran Lorenzo

I believe in a secular society, and respect between christians, muslims, hindus, agnostics, athiests, comes from inter-demographic harmony. We should have the right to privately express our religious ideals in churches or on specific forums/channels of communique.

It shouldn't be on public edifices, and or transportation. The point is, there is a clear difference between talking, communicating and respectfully sharing information, as compared to harshly degrading another's point of view and religious beliefs and or religiousity.

There is malice in such a message.
And it is conveying more disrespect and hostility than bridging understanding and cooperation.

Antagonism never helped heal wounds, instead of unifying a secular society, such actions and methods of communication will only distance and placate walls--divisions.

Yours With Respect,
Bran Lorenzo

Hello,

I shouldn't have given you that letter today.
Cuz you're being quiet to me.

Why won't you talk to me?

Kinsa maning 'G' ?

ahem, ahem, ahem, ?

sino ba ito?

Australian girls and their accents. O man. O man.

fwew.

Hungry as in not for that regard, but hungry because i didn't eat anything today except cape.

huhuhu. cook something for me.

Dear Inday Aleth (LOL),

Hmmm, I can't believe you told me the things you said today. Because I was laughing in the lounge. And because of that people now think im crazy or gave me 'angry' looks. lol. see what you did?!

puahahahaha

And yes, thank you for that 'illustration'. Now I know.

Aguy! Why? Why does it have to be me?


Your Hungry Ondoy,
Bran

Amen, Bem

This we pray through Christ, Our Lord.
Eternal Rest unto the soul of Lynn.

And most of all, we should pray for the family of the victim.
That they are comforted, and supported in this time of trial.

Christ Be Our Light.
Lord we ask this in your name.
Amen.

The point of the story is that within the United States of America, we have laws that are set in place to protect and assess the sensitivity of religion, race, ethnicity and sexual preference, sexual lifestyle etc. Despite our personal prejudices, the law is the law.

We have constitutional rights to convey our freedom of expression, but such a right varies to the extremity of said expression and thus, preventing one's 'freedom of expression' from bypassing and stepping over another individual's constitutional rights.

Again, legislation of such varies from state to state, here in the United States; be in in Oklahoma, New Jersey, or California (as in the case that Glacier pointed out).

The point of the matter is that there are limitations to what one can and cannot do.

The presence of the ACLU and other Civil Rights Watch Dogs are for the purposes of catching such grievances and taking proper legal action.

Quote from: glacier_71 on March 06, 2009, 06:13:47 AM
Black Pastor jailed for excercising First Amendment rights
by Michele Combs on February 23, 2009

Americans' religious rights and First Amendment rights continue to be eroded as evidenced by the jailing of a black pastor from a Berkeley, California church last week. He was the first person convicted -- two months ago -- under Oakland's law preventing pro-life protesters from coming within 8 feet of anyone entering an abortion clinic.

The Union City pastor, Walter Hoye, received a $1,000 fine, 30 days in jail (although in the future pro-lifers can be actually be put in jail for up to two years) and 3 years' probation. This courageous pastor told the judge: "I believe that an unjust law is no law at all." Pastor Hoye even answered Alameda Superior Court Judge Hing's question of whether or not he would abide by an order to stay 100 yards away from the Oakland abortion clinic with a principled "No."

Pro-life activists called the anti-constitutional Oakland City Council law passed in 2007 an intrusion on their freedom of speech. Pastor Hoye -- as do pro-life demonstrators all over America -- passes out literature outside abortion clinics and sometimes carries a sign saying: "Jesus loves you and your baby. Let us help you!" Pastor Hoye asked women about to kill their unborn babies before they go into the abortion clinics: "May I talk to you about alternatives to the clinic?"

And for these caring actions by a caring pro-life pastor, he is now sentenced to go to jail. The head of the National Black Pro-life Congress said about Pastor Hoye's actions at the abortion clinic: "He never laid hands on anyone," Unless Christians in America wake up soon, their religious rights will be completely eroded.

ANALYZE THIS. JAILED!!!

Glacier, this is an interesting article. Thank You for posting this.

Quote from: ayessa on March 06, 2009, 05:15:15 AM
What was the decision of the court?

Religious discrimination is valuing or treating a person or group differently because of what they do or do not believe.

Roy,

The Westboro Baptist Church was found guilty and was ordered to pay $11 Million worth of damages.

http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=26810&cat=13