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Quote from: guadalrose on April 04, 2009, 05:40:35 PM
You cannot even recollect which subject was that?  There are different languages discourses in sociological studies.

I would suggest, before I open my mouth I will do some readings.

She can open her mouth whenever she wants to. She made a logical question that goes in line with the dialogue she was having with Glacier.

There is no need to be harsh with individuals.

hahaha, si, bem, vosotros dialogo es su inspiracion~ estudiar y hablar y entender Espanol.

Quote from: grazie7y on April 05, 2009, 01:54:59 PM
I actually agree to those who said we are all equal.  I was just being specific kinsa ang nagdumala sa atong world.  In my world, I rule and in my husband's world, he rules, but in both our world, we both rule!     Kumbaga, eguales!  Ingon nya, ako daw ning rule pero di gani, kami ganing duha! But for sure we both respect our opinion.  At times we may not agree but as I kept on saying here in TB, when we don't agree on certain issues, we agree to disagree.  That's why we have such harmonious world!

Ese es porque le admiro. Usted habla tal brillantez que emane de su mente. Mi hermana, le saludo. Y le acaricio, ABSOLUTAMENTE!!

Ja, Ja Voy!


Su,
Bran Lorenzo

Quote from: preciousNpolite on April 04, 2009, 09:40:43 PM
Hola y damas y los cabaleros kin esta ayugar en esta topico or los persona's kin miquedes aprendair con langua en enspanoil.

Endonces como sta todo's aqui?

Y como encuentas ahora?

Yo se pueden encuentos bien ahora por escriber que pasa con todos familia members en la entro s TubagBohol.

Esta sabes es una mes mas quando Mexico teines por una grande celebrar por independencia dia por eso el dia esta el cinco demayo!

Viva por el sangria Espanoil!

Entango Buena Suertez!

Hola Sra. Priscilla!

Como estas usted? Sra, su espanolisismo es perfecto. Cuando anos tu estudias la lengua del Espanol?

lol, su espanol habilidades estas sorprendisimo que la chica Bembem tenia una hemorragia nasal.

hahahaha! Ay Caramba!

Dios Mio, estoy riendo tan dificilmente, hahaha!



Su,
Brando Lorenzo

the girl in the video es increible!

lol, drunk like flight attedants eh?
I find myself in soliloquy as I read that out loud. ha,

So long as you enjoyed yourself, Bem.
Pero apenas recuerde, Senorita, practica de la moderacion. Moderacion, siempre porque moderacion es muy bueno.

Ciao,

by: Percy Bysshe Shelley

by: Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

THE SHADES of night were falling fast,   
As through an Alpine village passed   
A youth, who bore, 'mid snow and ice,   
A banner with the strange device,   
        Excelsior!            
 
His brow was sad; his eye beneath,   
Flashed like a falchion from its sheath,   
And like a silver clarion rung   
The accents of that unknown tongue,   
        Excelsior!    
 
In happy homes he saw the light   
Of household fires gleam warm and bright;   
Above, the spectral glaciers shone,   
And from his lips escaped a groan,   
        Excelsior!    
 
"Try not the Pass!" the old man said;   
"Dark lowers the tempest overhead,   
The roaring torrent is deep and wide!"   
And loud that clarion voice replied,   
        Excelsior!    
 
"Oh, stay," the maiden said, "and rest   
Thy weary head upon this breast!"   
A tear stood in his bright blue eye,   
But still he answered, with a sigh,   
        Excelsior!    
 
"Beware the pine-tree's withered branch!   
Beware the awful avalanche!"   
This was the peasant's last Good-night,   
A voice replied, far up the height,   
        Excelsior!    
 
At break of day, as heavenward   
The pious monks of Saint Bernard   
Uttered the oft-repeated prayer,   
A voice cried through the startled air,   
        Excelsior!    
 
A traveller, by the faithful hound,   
Half-buried in the snow was found,   
Still grasping in his hand of ice   
That banner with the strange device,   
        Excelsior!    
 
There, in the twilight cold and gray,   
Lifeless, but beautiful, he lay,   
And from the sky, serene and far,   
A voice fell, like a falling star,   
        Excelsior!

Quote from: bol-anon nga cebuano on February 20, 2009, 12:47:49 AM
Goliath tiger fish, such as the one seen above, are among the uniquely adapted "monster fish" of the Congo River, which winds through several African countries.

A recent, unprecedented river run on the Congo yielded a raft of new discoveries, including different species--some potentially new--in nearly every nook and cranny, scientists announced this week.

The river was also found to be possibly the world's deepest, and its extraordinary changes in depths and currents help explain why it's such a hotbed of fish diversity.


"What we're seeing here is kind of evolution on steroids," said team leader Melanie Stiassny, a fish biologist at the American Museum of Natural History. Stiassny, a member of the National Geographic Society's Conservation Trust, was among the marine and evolutionary biologists, hydrologists, and kayakers who conducted the exhaustive research in summer 2008. (The National Geographic Society owns National Geographic News.)

sample fishes found in congo river:


elephant fish


small goliath fish


big goliath fish

Interesting article.

The wide range species of pisciverous fishes is a result of the different niches in said aquatic environment, resulting in evolutionary processes for fish species.

Great article, as it further propagates the multifaceted aspect of aquatic science.

Limnology~

I miss my mommy.

I miss being at home, sleeping in my bed and waking up in the morning to the smell of eggs, and hot dogs, the smell of coco being brewed, and the sound of my younger siblings running down the stairs saying, "Mommy cooked breakfast!"

And then, I would get up from my bed, and  hear the front door opening, to the sound of my father coming back from work at the hospital. And hearing Dad's warm laughter.

Mommy, I miss you. Daddy, I miss you. Both of You.


Imung Anak Laki,

Yesterday we went out to go camping for a bit. Its getting warmer over here, I can feel the warmth on my face, and yet the cool dawn, still.

It was so beautiful. Gazing at the fire that we built, seeing the sun set, and sitting back knowing that spring break is coming. I realize the goodness of warm friendships, helpful classmates, and understanding women in my life. A point of reflection and contemplation, and a time of giving thanks to My Lord.

My 1st year of Medical School is coming to a close.

I begin 2nd year next semester.



The Lord God Is Great.
There Is No Such Thing as Impossibility for Him.

Every great man was born from the womb of a woman.

The great Augustus Caesar, was born from his mother: Atia Balba Caesonia

even our saviour, Christ Jesus, The Only begotten Son of God The Father,
was born from a humble handmaid, conceived without sin: Mother Mary of the House of David.

All are equal, in my book.

I love my mother, and I would not be alive without her guiding hand. She suffered so that I, her son, could come out into the world.

All our mothers bear such price. Remember that.

For me, I don't believe in blaming. Man or Woman, both are equally prejudiced to sin. Every single one of us.

Equal ta tanan ani.

Our April Fools day joke was our Medical Biochemistry professor, Dr. Bruce Davidson saying we had a quiz on Enzyme pathways. lol.

Then he said, with a cool tone, "Just kidding."

Quote from: glacier_71 on April 04, 2009, 09:32:41 AM
if you could supply a mile-long reason, the better...

tp agree or disagree is always welcome

dili lang mangugat og post...ok? hehehe

Glacier, what is your opinion?

What was the greatest invention in the continuum of Human History?

Quote from: kiamoy on March 10, 2009, 09:09:25 AM
Dear Mommy,

I am in Heaven now, sitting on Jesus' lap. He loves me and cries with me; for my heart has been broken. I so wanted to be your little girl. I don't quite understand what has happened. I was so excited when I began realizing my existance. I was in a dark, yet comfortable place. I saw I had fingers and toes. I was pretty far along in my developing, yet not near ready to leave my surroundings.

I spent most of my time thinking or sleeping. Even from my earliest days, I felt a special bonding between you and me. Sometimes I heard you crying and I cried with you. Sometimes you would yell or scream, then cry. I heard Daddy yelling back. I was sad, and hoped you would be better soon. I wondered why you cried so much.

One day you cried almost all of the day. I hurt for you. I couldn't imagine why you were so unhappy. That same day, the most horrible thing happened. A very mean monster came into that warm, comfortable place I was in. I was so scared, I began screaming, but you never once tried to help me. Maybe you never heard me. The monster got closer and closer as I was screaming and screaming, "Mommy, Mommy, help me please; Mommy, help me." Complete terror is all I felt. I screamed and screamed until I thought I couldn't anymore.

Then the monster started ripping my arms off. It hurt so bad; the pain I can never explain. It didn't stop. Oh, how I begged it to stop. I screamed in horror as it ripped my leg off. Though I was in such complete pain, I was dying. I knew I would never see your face or hear you say how much you love me. I wanted to make all your tears go away. I had so many plans to make you happy. Now I couldn't; all my dreams were shattered. Though I was in utter pain and horror, I felt the pain of my heart breaking, above all. I wanted more than anything to be your daughter. No use now, for I was dying a painful death. I could only imagine the terrible things that they had done to you. I wanted to tell you that I love you before I was gone, but I didn't know the words you could understand.

And soon, I no longer had the breath to say them; I was dead.I felt myself rising. I was being carried by a huge angel into a big beautiful place. I was still crying, but the physical pain was gone. The angel took me to Jesus and set me on His lap. He said He loved me, and He was my Father. Then I was happy. I asked Him what the thing was that killed me. He answered, "Abortion. I am sorry, my child; for I know how it feels." I don't know what abortion is; I guess that's the name of the monster. I'm writing to say that I love you and to tell you how much I wanted to be your little girl. I tried very hard to live. I wanted to live. I had the will, but I couldn't; the monster was too powerful. It sucked my arms and legs off and finally got all of me. It was impossible to live. I just wanted you to know I tried to stay with you. I didn't want to die. Also, Mommy, please watch out for that abortion monster. Mommy, I love you and I would hate for you to go through the kind of pain I did.

Please be careful.

Love,
Your Baby Girl

This emanates a beautiful message, Bem.
Thanks for sharing it, and ako galing--i am very opposed to abortion.
Solid jud ko aning decision.

Because we are created in HIS image.

By DJ Babyboi


I think Ate Belle will like this version, lol!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgApQHve0oI&feature=rec-HM-fresh+div

Well both those, bem, are in the present indicatives regarding 'self'.

Main difference is that deso is the personal indicative of the word Desear, which means : To wish, and or desire

The present indicative verb, "quiero" stems back from the word Querer, which means:
To Love.


An example of sentence formation involving the two said verbs:


1) Los soldados desean armas para la guerra con los rebeldes y inusrectisimos.

2) Nosotros quieremos la biblia porque la biblia es de Dios.

I admire Irish women, they are the progeny of the mighty and daring Celtic warriors that refused to give in to Roman Imperialism.

I think the best looking Actress that does justice for the Italian Beauty is Monica Belluci.

She's so beautiful, imho.





She captures the authentic and ancient beauty of the Roman Woman.
The Roman Empire lives inside her piercing eyes.
Roma Victa! Roma Imperia!

And when we read the verse from Exodus 3: 4-14, we are told that The Lord God referred to Himself as "I AM WHO AM"

That is not only a definite statement but categorically, the supreme o supreme answers.
The Most High does not give himself lofty titles, but addresses Moses' simple question with DEFINITE and CORRELATIVE answer.

And we sometimes have to think about the relationship between Old Testament and Old Testament.


In regards to Christ Jesus, he HIMself reiterates the same message--the very message the He told Moses, some thousands of Years earlier. And those before Moses, Abraham even.


Read:

The Jews asked Jesus, "Are you greater than our father Abraham, who died?
Or the prophets, who died? Who do you make yourself out to be?"
Jesus answered, "If I glorify myself, my glory is worth nothing; but it is my Father who glorifies me, of whom you say, 'He is our God.'
You do not know him, but I know him. And if I should say that I do not know him,
I would be like you a liar. But I do know him and I keep his word.
Abraham your father rejoiced to see my day; he saw it and was glad.
So the Jews said to him, "You are not yet fifty years old and you have seen Abraham?"
Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, before Abraham came to be, I AM."


-John 8: 54-58

Also,

When Moses first saw and talked the Lord God of Israel in the Mount. When the prophet Moses asked the Lord God for His Name, the Lord God referred to Himself as, "I AM"

    When the LORD saw him coming over to look at it more closely, God called out to him from the bush, "Moses! Moses!" He answered, "Here I am."
5
    God said, "Come no nearer! Remove the sandals from your feet, for the place where you stand is holy ground.
6
    I am the God of your father," he continued, "the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, the God of Jacob." Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look at God.
7
    But the LORD said, "I have witnessed the affliction of my people in Egypt and have heard their cry of complaint against their slave drivers, so I know well what they are suffering.
8
    Therefore I have come down to rescue them from the hands of the Egyptians and lead them out of that land into a good and spacious land, a land flowing with milk and honey, the country of the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites.
9
    So indeed the cry of the Israelites has reached me, and I have truly noted that the Egyptians are oppressing them.
10
    Come, now! I will send you to Pharaoh to lead my people, the Israelites, out of Egypt."
11
    5 But Moses said to God, "Who am I that I should go to Pharaoh and lead the Israelites out of Egypt?"
12
    He answered, "I will be with you; and this shall be your proof that it is I who have sent you: when you bring my people out of Egypt, you will worship God on this very mountain."
13
    "But," said Moses to God, "when I go to the Israelites and say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' if they ask me, 'What is his name?' what am I to tell them?"
14
    God replied, "I AM WHO AM." Then he added, "This is what you shall tell the Israelites: I AM sent me to you."

-Exodus 3: 4-14

The Filipina is majestic and unparalleled in her Maria Clara regalia.

Gloriosa! Magnifica! Y Romanticana!

Ja Voy!

This is classic example of Spanish-Filipina beauty:


Ja Voy! 

Ku an pood, Bem, the Warai-Warai women are very guapa kaayo.

Kan si Imelda Marcos is an example of Warai-Warai beauty.

Guap kaayo ning Warai Baji. Isug kaayo pood. hahaha~

Daghan Spanish-mestiza dinha sa Leyte, bem.

My dad has an oil portrait of my great grand mother in my paternal side. The mother of my paternal grandfather. I've seen her face, through the oil painting, and she is wearing a black Maria-Clara style outfit. Spanish Mestiza to' iyang facial phenotype.

Ah, sa  unang panahon.

Quote from: guadalrose on April 04, 2009, 05:25:21 PM


If you cannot solve "jumping over the borders" issue, then how would you be efficient in addressing terrorism?  If I were Ossama bin Laden, would'nt be easier for me to jump over borders too?

It seems to me that your posts offer no real concrete answer to solve the situation, but merely a tool to infer personal grievances, please infer your grievances to the United States Immigration Services and or the Embass of the United States of America in Manila.

Again, we are discussing illegal human trafficking in the United States, we are not discussing 9-11 and or terrorism.

You are however, free, by your own accord to start a thread based on 9-11.

You are inferring and relegating only negative information, and are inferring the obvious. Yes, we know that the border security has been a failure, clearly, it is so since there are over 20~ million illegal immigrants in the United States. If we had a concrete southern border, this manifestation would have been evaded, am I right?

Offer some answers some solutions if you have any. Instead of pointing out flaws, repetitively.


Cheers,

Quote from: guadalrose on April 04, 2009, 05:25:21 PM
Economists are in hot debate whether illegal immigration really hurts the economy but they could not get into conclusion.  Only Borras, an american born Cuban is vehemently claimming that it hurts the US economy because he hates Mexicans. One study even concluded that the undocumented immigrants  are in no competition with the natives.  They are only taking jobs which the natives do not want to do. 

It is high-time that the US review its immigration policies.  I take my case as an example.  I applied for a US visa 6 months ago and they gave me 10 year multiple entry. Although I was happy to be given such an privilege, it made me think the dangers of multiple entry. I have no intentions of staying in the states though.  Other people could abuse the multiple entry visa, to work in the states illegally and occasionally exiting in Mexico or Canada.  My cousins applied for a tourist visa through a wedding invitation, they were granted.  My brother had an invitation from the American Medical Association to present his research was denied, for reasons we do not know.  I find it very ironic.  The rules are not clear.

My british tourist visa is only for one year, which I think is more safer on the part of the british government.  It safeguard abuse of the multiple entry.

On the issue on "jumping over borders", that is a security issue, not an immigration issue.  If the american government was not good enough at securing their territory in the South, then that is their short-coming.

Now, I would not wonder how did the 9/11 took place.  Just simply because the american security forces are inefficient.

If you cannot solve "jumping over the borders" issue, then how would you be efficient in addressing terrorism?  If I were Ossama bin Laden, would'nt be easier for me to jump over borders too?

We addressed that said grievances concerning the failure of the border security, being, ultimately, one of the major factors that has led to the unprecedented illegal human trafficking into the United States southern border. It was addressed in my posts. Please read back, as I addressed said grievances and its economic, political and law-enforcement strain/effects on the United States.

If you have a problem with the visa process and screening process, it may be opportune of you to talk to a public official and or governmental employee of the United States of America, and or email the United States Immigration Services.

Again, the stringent process of acquiring an American Visa and entry is a result illegal migration and government's policy in trying to alleviate and counter said phenomenon.


Cheers,
Lorenzo

So since you guys are learning to master the Ar, Ir, Er verbs, let me teach you guys about the important verbs of 'to be'.

: Ser, Estar, Haber.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaOUowOwFVc

Si!

Muy bueno!

So an example of the endings.

So for the tensing of 'Bailar':

Yo bailo
Tu bailas
Ello baila, Ella baila, Usted baila
Nosotros bailamos
Vosotros bailais
Ellos bailan, ellas bailan, ustedes bailan.

Follow the said rules that I posted regarding words that end in 'Er and 'Ir.


Okay? So try it out!

I cant stop crying right now.
Memories of my friend comes back to me, so I will write this out right now.

It was April 17, 2007.

My last semester of Junior Year in Allegheny College.

A group of us were watching the movie, 'American Adobo' and you came by to watch it with me. lol. We all watched it and we all had a talk after the movie about the different culture of Filipinos as compared to Americans.

You said, "The Filipinos have a rich culture, a beautiful religious-centered culture and famly-bonding that is sadly lacking here."

It was a beautiful translation on your part, Robby. And for me as a Filipino-American, to hear such words from an American who was born in the USA and has never been abroad to the Philippines but to have such a regard on our people and culture--brought me to tears.

I miss you man. I can't stop the tears. Its been almost 2 years since then.

Crystal clear kaayo iyang voice.

I like!

This song brings me to tears, that fall from my face.

This song reminds me of my best friend, Robby Matson.
And it reminds me of Ma'am Orchids.

Quote from: orChids on April 07, 2008, 03:44:04 PM
This is the very first post nako sa TB,dated April 25 of 2007.Hapit na mag anniversary si ako. 


http://tubagbohol.mikeligalig.com/index.php?action=profile;u=18;sa=showPosts;start=3808

M'am Orchids!

I miss you, ma'am. Mingaw kaayo diri wa naka diri.

Su amigo absolutamente,
Lorenzo

Quote from: grazie7y on April 01, 2009, 03:59:43 PM
As promised, some pics taken in one of 5 parties.  The pictures here was the party for my belated and ytesski's advance birthday celebration.


the birthday cake, two tiers of paisley-shaped cakes.


about to cut our birthday cake; ytesski holding the knife and i was holding the server.


more picture on the cake cutting


with family and friends


The Boholanas.  Pat is a very nice lady from Baclayon

Wow! You all look ravishingly beautiful! I can feel the bibo-ness of thie environment, 'te. hahaha!

The Lord God bless you!

Thanks for the pictures. Kuyawa kaayo ang cake! Wow na wow.

Back to the subject matter.

It is important to stress the unifying factor, our Filipino character. The term Filipino is but the outer covering; a people that is a mixture of different races and ethnicities. Originally, it was the Malay, then the migration of some Chinese, some Indian, Arabs, then the Spanish, then the Americans, the Japanese and other peoples.

Think about it like a marble cake. Stratification is observed. It is the stratified layers that, ultimately, make up the individual. The nationality. And that nationality is Filipno.

So, ultimately, and transcendentally, it matters not if we may have Spanish, or Chinese, or Japanese, or English, or Indian blood. Because in the end, the identity is: FILIPNO.


Cheers,

Rendition by: Alicia Keys

I realy LOVE this song. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJYXGMmpXZY&feature=related

lol, now you have tasted the beautiful exchange of information that is common here in Tubag Bohol.

See you in the forums, Bedo.

We need to know first that in the spanish language, there are 'Ir, 'Ar, and 'Er    ending words.

An example of an Ir word is : Escribir, Traducir,
An example of an Ar word is: Exemplar, Bailar
An example of an Er word is: Comer, Volver


OKAY! So please note that there are many different types of words but follow the ending.
I will provide a list of such words in regards to IR, ER, AR endings, but that will be a topic for a different day.

Just remember the differences. Okay? As it is a necessity in indicative and subjective tenses.



Present Indicative Tense:

Remember that there are different indicatives: referring to self, to a person, to a group, etc.

Remember:

Yo = referring to self
Tu = referring to 'you'
El/ Ella/ Usted = referrng to 'him, 'her, 'them} respectively
Nosotros = referring to 'we'
Vosotros (vosotras) = referring to second person plural form
Ustedes/ ellos/ ellas = referring to the plural form of 'him, 'her, and 'them } respectively



The endings for 'Ar words include:

Yo= o
Tu = as
Ello/Ella/ Usted = a
Nosotros = amos
vosotros = ais
ellos/ellas/ ustedes = an


The ending for 'Er words Include:
Yo = o
Tu = es
Ello/ella/usted = e
Nosotros = emos
Vosotros = eis
Ellos/ ellas/ ustedes = en

The ending for 'Ir words include:
Yo =o
Tu= es
Ello/ ella/ usted =e
nosotros =imos
vosotros = is
ellos/ellas/ ustedes =en

Quote from: BedoAdoSalada on April 04, 2009, 10:11:00 AM
Bay Lorenzo,

Human na ko ug pang kuso.      Diri sa bay ako ra may mag boot ... kanus-a ko manglaba, magloto.  

Yes, I stand corrected on that.  My apologies. 

Cheers!

haha, that is what I like. Our ability to exchange information without getting personal.

Examplary of Lincoln-Douglass debate format.

My respects,
God Bless,
Lorenzo

The invention, development, modernization, and optimization of the airplane.

It is the airplane that has facilitated globalization. Its invention has led to the mass migration and movement of peoples on a wide scale, it has changed the military theater, developing and changing the way wars and battles are fought. It has led to the increased trade between nations, continents, and peoples. The mastery of flight via the airplane, further propelled human invention to reach for the stars, literally. A direct result of human flight is the Space Program.

It's invention and usage has illustrated the concept of an asymmetry in travel. 

I appreciate your personal story, Ate Belle, as it provides perspective.

In college, I worked at the local counseling center (as a volunteer), where many troubled youth were; and some cases that I worked were of children who came to the 'states via illegal immigration. Many of whom were deserted by their parents, and when I read their reports, it is astonishing to know that such cases are similar across the nation.

Illegal immigrant parents that work as produce workers have been known to leave their children behind, many of these youth, who have no family or friends in the United States, usually go into crime, join gangs, and propagate a life that directs them to the prison system.

It is truly a sad situation, but one that must be addressed, and must be taken into serious consideration.

Thank you for sharing your personal story. I mean that.


Respectfully Yours,
Lorenzo

Quote from: BedoAdoSalada on April 04, 2009, 09:32:21 AM
Bay Lorenzo,

Asa naba tong akong gi post earlier nawala man!  Basin nasalaag to sa joke section.  haha. Anyway, kini ato mga opinion ra man ni.  Hinaut unta nga dili nato ni e personal ang mga tubag dinhe. 

Anyway, the tone of your post is a typical american to me. Something that maybe taken out of context and can be construed as "selfish" comment coming from a "once" filipino (?) hehe.   You nailed it and that's the way it should be and should be controlled if not totally eliminate the influx of undocumented people coming to america.   For me personally I was stunned when you said "its a virus and it should be crushed".  Mura man pud ug atong gilubong ang mga damggo sa mga nag tnt na diri.   But to be honest,  I have high respect for these individuals.  Why?  They survive everyday and sacrificed a lot,  deprived from the benefits a regular american citizen workers have especially medical benefits. 

Sige bay ayo ayo, keep posting and happy weekend.  Manglaba pa ko.  

Fore!




 

Bedo,

And I respect your opinion and your voice should be heard. As you raise rather academic and insightful questions that should be heard and analyzed not only by us Americans, but also should be heard and read by Filipinos and abroad so that we have a better understanding and relegation of information on said issue. As this issue is a global one, one that not only affects the United States, but peoples of the world that look to come to the United States and immigrate legally, but, as a result of unchecked and unprecedented illegal migration, has led to the development of harder and increased screening in the process--which translates into a longer waiting period for those who are law abiding potential legal immigrants who follow the due process of the law.

In accordance to The Laws of the Republic of the Philippines and the Laws of the United States of America.

Secondly, Bedo, I apologize when I used the term 'crushed', but I was referring that comment to the drug traffickers and drug cartels and prostitution ringers that come to the United States through the porous border between Mexico and the United States.

This has resulted in a catastrophic situation--leading to the development of nation-wide gang activity--which have been correlated and linked to Latin American countries and Latin American-based drug trafficking as well as human trafficking, which is an issue that is a concern not only for the United States government and law enforcement, but for the United Nations and said watch groups that are fighting to curve human trafficking.

Please note that my comment was intended and addressed the drug traffickers and gang members that have debilitated and continue to harm the American youth, and endanger the future of the American people.

Thank You, Sir, for sharing your brilliant opinion and point of view.
I respect you for that.

-Lorenzo

Quote from: Lorenzo on April 03, 2009, 07:09:37 AM


The United States also suffers form the growth of Latin-American based gangs such as Crips, Reds, MS13, which all come from Latin American and have spread throughout the United States. They spread drugs, sell drugs, facilitate prostitution and such vices.


It is a virus that must be crushed. And cured.

For the sake of the youth of this country. For the American people.

Illegal immigration must be curbed.

Just to provide my statement again.

Yes, there are individuals who came to the United States illegally, but respected the Law and appropriated means to become legal residents and ultimately resident aliens.

Critical to this is applying for a green card, payment of taxes, and following American Laws and statutes.

The United States, is willing to accomodate those who came here illegally, as the United States tries to solve the border situation, which has been the cause of so much heartache, America is not deaf to the cries and demands of those who are in need. If she was deaf, the Unite States would not have provided some $29 Billion worth in educational aid for illegal immigrant children and or children of illegal immigrants. The United States provides asylum, provides medical care for those waiting trial an relocation/deportation.

Como estas, amigos y amigas!

Haha, am glad that there indeed is a great interest to learn Spanish.

Lets begin lessons.

For this week, lets focus:  Tenses

"But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you."

-Luke 6:27-28

Amen!

You shouldn't have been shy, Mr. Zosimo.
My Lola nating was a loving and beautiful soul. Very kind and loving.
Wealth means nothing, Mr. Zosimi, the most important is the character of an individual, the character which we gain by hard work and struggles.

Through Christ Our Lord, gives us the ability to accomplish and make into action thoughts.
Am sure Lola would have liked you, as I like you. You are a kind and admirable soul.

God Bless,

Quote from: BedoAdoSalada on April 03, 2009, 03:18:59 PM
Bay Lorenzo,

I enjoyed reading and learning a lot from your post.  You must be a wide reader.

So are you saying that partly to be blamed for americas (economic) struggle now adays is due to illegal immigrants?  Well the truth and reality hurts for the american tax payers given the current situation in the US.  But as a Filipino, I am suddened if part of those illegal immigrants are Filipinos.   I know some of our kababayans (even my relatives) who struggled for so many years at the start before becoming a legal immigrants in the US. 

On a higher perspective, could it be that america is spending so much budget on foreign militarization (and invasion) forgetting other issues like affordable college education for its citizens?  Just asking.   

Fore !

Bedo,

You ask very important questions, and are insightful, my friend.

Yes, I agree with you that the United States clearly has multiple hurdles to tackle, including the global economic situation (but I remain positive and optimistic considering the successful dialogue in the G20 meetings).

Illegal immigration is an issue to be addressed because it addresses the failures of the border system, to which is imperative for national security for the United States, and these instances have to be addressed by the INS and associated governmental agencies.

We understand the dreams of people to come here to the United States, but formalities should be followed, and should be followed by lawful means. As to follow the law, afterall, is biblical. But, I concede to the fact that yes, Filipino, Vietnamese, Indian and Chinese immigrants that came to the United States through illegal and unlawful means mostly are educated. That is the difference, when we analyze the situation in the ground, thus we notice differences treatment.

Believe it or not, most of the 100,000+ Illegal Indian-immigrants are people who came to United States via a visa and or green card, but overstayed, the reason why the United States is far more lenient to them and Filipinos is due to the fact that these individuals are educated and have college degrees (Bachelor's, masters and even doctoral). They contribute to the overall American Economic Machine, and even in the education processes.

The problem we have and we observe, is the some 20~ million undocumented illegal latin americans who neither have education and have little to no knowledge in English. Please note that yes, the resiliency of the Filipno is oundoubted. They master english, they assimilate to the culture, and they follow means and measure to become legal immigrants despite the fact that yes they did come to the country illegally. They acquire green cards, and resident visa status, and ultimately, through time and through paying taxes, are granted Citizenship.

The drug trafficking situation here in the United States is a result of the porous border between the United States of America and Mexico; and due to the fact that there is not enough national guardsmen presence in the border and due to the vastness of the border, has led and facilitated the massive, massive migration of latin americans to the United States. Many of whom have no education, many of whom don't know english, many of whom are rebels, many of whom are drug traffickers, many of whom are prostitutes, etc.

As I said, this situation is complex, and cannot be answered by simplistic means, but requires the reader's diligence and research into the situation on the ground.

It is definitely a problem that must be addressed, and I hope and pray that the Obama Administration solve this problem.

Quote from: guadalrose on April 03, 2009, 08:58:58 PM
Of course countries are protecting their economic interests.  But blaming the undocumented immigrants for their short-comings which resulted to economic turn down? that is not fair.

The ballooning of undocumented immigrants in the US must be blamed on their immigration policies.  If companies are stringent and do not hire "under the table" workers, there would be lesser undocumented immigrants.  What is left actually for the undocumented workers are the dirty work, the crumbs.

WE always browse pages of the bible in search of enlightenment.  Do we even remember the story of Lazarus and the Rich man? Lazarus was only feeding on crumbs left from the Rich man., right?

manglimbawt akong balahibo sa mga taong  sigeg cite ug bible oi.. pero selective ra diay.

Guadalrose, please do not take this personally, as it was not intended to any persons, but an address on my part, on the economic, political, and overall--strategic effects of illegal immigration to the United States.

Clearly, this issue has been hotly debated within the members of Congress and in many border states with Mexico. Both parties (The Democratic and Republican) have already expressed the need to address the situation and to fix and curve the porous border in the south, which has led to the massive and unprecedented migration of peoples to the United States illegaly. Many of whom are part of the Mexican drug cartels that shuttles illegal drug paraphenilia into the United States--and its effects on the domestic level has been outright and obvious, in terms on the strain on law enforcement. There have been incidences of shuttling vans filled with peoples, and many of whom were led in the wrong direction, other instances of Latin-Americans crossing the desert and dying in the desert, as a result of being led in the wrong direction. (Many illegal immigrants actually pay people to give them directions to border states and openings and as a result, a business has been made to traffic individuals through the border; as a result of this, prostitution rings, drug rings, etc have sprouted in the border states. Namely: Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, Texas, California and surrounding states.

The United States has to address the border situation as well as work with the governments in latin and south american countries to develop businesses in their nation to alleviate the economic situation that has led hundreds of thousands to migrate to the United States, at the expense of the United States.

We are dealing with logistics, we are dealing with constitutional rights of American citizens, we are dealing with the integrity and right of individual states to patrol the border, to which discourse has already been made to build a solid fence between the border of Mexico and the United States.

This is a national security issue; one in which is an utmost concern for the United States of America.


Respectfully Yours,
Lorenzo

Quote from: guadalrose on April 03, 2009, 07:19:33 PM
The lazy americans are complaining that the illegal immigrants are taking their jobs, well if they arent lazy enough then there should have no jobs left for illegal immigrants.  LOGIC!!

Pardon my ignornance.  Under which economic theory or economic analysis would firmly support that illegal immigrants are to be blamed for americas economic turn down? 

Consider the social context of illegal immigration and dont be so selfish in your critics.  People would not take risks in becoming illegal immigrants if they have better choices at home.  If you claim to be a filipino, you should have a heart for the Filipinos.  Do you even have any idea that these illegal immigrants are feeding families, clans and sending their children, nephews, nieces to school?

Such a heartless and selffish comment.!!!  If we claim to be Filipinos, let us feel for the Filipinos.

Lucky are those who were born with silver spoons, some are just even born with bare hands, to work...!!

Guadalrose,

The situation of illegal immigration is a concern that needs to be assessed as it is a violation of jurisprudence and the law established by the United States of America, as promulgated by the United States Constitution.

We are not blaming the Filipinos, we are not selectively targeting, we are addressing the entire situation in the ground, which is a pluripotent and multifactorial, multi-causative, which translates into--unfortunately, regressive effects for the United States.

Legal migration and legal procedures should be followed, as mandated and promulgated by the Law.

We are not being heartless towards the Filipino people and community. There are some 2.5 million Filipino-Americans who came to this country vis-a-vis legal means and in accordance to the due process of the Law.

We are addressing the situation in the ground in terms of economic, political means and its effects on the United States and the Fiscal Budget.

Quote from: BedoAdoSalada on April 03, 2009, 03:18:59 PM
Bay Lorenzo,

I enjoyed reading and learning a lot from your post.  You must be a wide reader.

So are you saying that partly to be blamed for americas (economic) struggle now adays is due to illegal immigrants?  Well the truth and reality hurts for the american tax payers given the current situation in the US.  But as a Filipino, I am suddened if part of those illegal immigrants are Filipinos.   I know some of our kababayans (even my relatives) who struggled for so many years at the start before becoming a legal immigrants in the US. 

On a higher perspective, could it be that america is spending so much budget on foreign militarization (and invasion) forgetting other issues like affordable college education for its citizens?  Just asking.   

Fore !

Bedo,

In terms and regards to the fiscal aspect, yes it does. The some 300,000 illegal Filipinos in the United States is miniscule as compared to the same undocumented 20~ million Latin Americans in the United States. Miniscule, if you think about it in the larger scheme.

The situation regarding illegal immigration in the United States cannot be answered by mere simplistic terms, as the situation illustrates the multifactorial and pluripotency of the said situation.

One, first and foremost, it is a result of the failure of the United States national guard and the border security to properly maintain and scrutinize the magnitiude of illegal human trade into the United States. The situaiton in the ground is complex, and has been in discussion not only within the halls of the US Congress but within the pillars of Academia and think tanks in Washington.

Case in point, if you don't know this, but as we speak right now the Calderon government in Mexico is fighting an all-out war against the Mexican Drug cartels near the city of Tijuana, in Northern Mexico, which is in close proximity with Baja California (a north western Mexican state close to the border of California, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada and Texas regional arc.

Due to the porous border between the United States and Mexico, has led to the facilitation of the widespread massive illegal human migration. Most of the Mexican immigrants are part of the drug trade and are responsible for shuttling marijuana, cocaine, heroine and other drug paraphenilia from markets of Columbia, Nicaragua, Venezuela and Mexico here into the United States. This translates into a domestic and demographic problem for United States law enforcement, which currently is fighting and dealing with the growth of Latin-American based gangs (MS-13, Crips, Reds etc). Prostitution is also a problem. This is a concern not only for the United States Government, but for social watch groups such as the ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union) that is concerned for the rights of Americans and persons who are being smuggled and placed in slave-like conditions (sadly this is a reality for some peoples here in the United States).

The problem, due to its shear size (considering the United States Government estimates anywhere between 11-20+ million illegal undocumented immigrants)poses as a logistical and economic burden for the United States.

This issue is a problem that both the Democratic and Republican Party in the United States have to tackle, as this translates in the weakness of the American southern border, a error that needs to be addressed.

You have to analyze the situation in the perspective of the American Citizen. We must take into consideration that there is about some 305 Million US Citizens, a considerate proportion are elderly, and are in need of medical care/ medicare (the funds of which are said to be depleted within 15-20 years), we have to also take into consideration the growing American population, educational demands, infrastructural demands and maintenance cost, military defense budget, state budgets, global assistance budget. Due to the already over-burdened United States Fiscal budget, clearly, an additional some 29 Billion dollars used to educate illegals, soem 2.5 billion dollars used to imprison illegals, and some the varying sources of monetary burden expedited to provide economic assistance, does and absolutely takes a definite toll for the United States.

To the American Citizen, it is an injustice and clearly illustrates the failure of the border system, to which must be alleviated and addressed to properly address and assess this unprecedented situation here in the United States. To which is of strategic and economic imperative for the United States of America.


-Lorenzo

Congratulations to Attorney Jala !

That is the beauty of a daughter's love for her loving father. Ate Concepcion, am sure your papa misses you dearly.

Now when you visit Bohol in the future, sis, you will make your dear papa happy to see not only you, but his darling apo.

Excellent answer, Ellen.

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My question:

Why was Moses not allowed to enter and see the Promised Land?
When Moses first saw God Almighty, and asked for His name, what was God's answer to Moses? What did God refer to himself as?

Lola Nating was Chinese-Spanish.
My great grandmother, Gabina was a Castillian.
My great lolo, was a 100% Chinese (Mariano Tan).

You met my lola diay, Mr. Zosimo?
Yes, pinangga kaayo to si Lola Nating by my Lolo Ciano.

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lol, starting your weekend early, eh?

cheers, glace! Cognac?

Glacier, your responses always put a smile on my face, man.

How was work?

Quote from: buwadsanga on April 03, 2009, 10:32:59 AM
hehehehe! were not talking here that we or you'l bow to the chinese. the thing is they will be the next super power in this everchanging world. h

Buwad, it wont be anytime soon that the Chinese will become a super power.



Cheers, my friend.

Mr. Zosimo, my Lola Nating was a Filipina who happened to be ancestrally Chinese.
Lola was born and raised in Valencia.

God Bless her Soul.

Veteran man to ahong Lola sa una, sa WW2. Served the US-Filipino guerilla forces.

Estuve con otra queriendo olvidarte
Y me fue imposible de mi mente arrancarte
Era tan hermosa perfecta buena amante
Que no dudé ún minuto con ella enredarme
Era obsesionante ver su cuerpo sobre el mío
Respirando el mismo aire que no llenaba este vacío sin final

CORO:
Te quise olvidar tus besos borrar
Estuve con otra y me quedo la soledad
Y yo la hice mía y en ella te veía
Que absurdo y que tonto pensar que
Con otro cuerpo te iba olvidar

Aún no se porque te fuiste de mi lado
Aún lloro tu partida como un niño abandonado (ay, ay, ay, ay, ay, ay)
Han sido noches frias buscándote en mi cuarto
Y no encuentro mas que un alma hecha a pedazos (no soy nada sin ti)
Mi cuerpo te grita que regreses otra vez
Quiero abrigarme en tu piel
Y contigo amanecer de nuevo

Te quise olvidar tus besos borrar
Estuve con otra y me quedo la soledad
Y yo la hice mía y en ella te veía
Que absurdo y que tonto pensar que
Con otro cuerpo te iba olvidar

Mientras me entregaba, en ti yo pensaba
Y es que yo te llevo grabada en mi ser

Te llevo, te llevo en mi ser ohh

Te quise olvidar tus besos borrar
Estuve con otra y me quedo la soledad
Y yo la hice mía y en ella te veía
Que absurdo y que tonto pensar que
Con otro cuerpo te iba olvidar
Pero yo te quise, Pero yo te quise,
Yo te quise, yo te quise
Yo te quise, yo te quise olvidar
Pero yo te quise
Yo te quise, yo te quise
Yo te quise olvidar y tus besos borrar
Te quise olvidar

By Menudo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryB1qO5qb54&feature=related


Increible! esta cancion esta muy romanticona ~

para mi amiga, Senora Virgina.

Para ti.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FeFrOkreZs

Miss Orchids,



Sorry wa ko ka continue our lessons, ma'am. I miss you , ma'am. I miss your spiritful posts, and your kindness of your heart. You were such a beatiful person, ma'am.
Inside and outside.

I really really miss you here. Different kaayo diri.

How I wish death wasn't so permanent. Sometimes, i even look for you to post something again.

God Bless you, always. The Lord rest your soul. The Lord keep you in his bosom.

Till we see each other again.

With Love,
Always,
ENZO

Isn't she just gorgeous?

I am an American first and foremost, but by blood and culture I am linked to my Philippine Fatherland.

I swear no fealty nor no loyalty to the Chinese nor do I see them as greater than the Filipinos.

The Filipino people is a proud mix of people. We are a MALAY people, of the Great Malay Race. Sure we may have a springkling of Spanish, Chinese, American and even Japanese blood here and there.

But as a whole, we are a FILIPINO people. A proud and a majestic RACE.

I do not bow before any Chinese.


PERIOD.

Quote from: buwadsanga on April 03, 2009, 09:39:56 AM
sagdig matapyasan kay naas Jesus ajohon nija ahong dawungan. luhod kay semana santa na!

NNNNNNNGGGGAAAAAAAJJJJJJJI TAAAANNNNGGG TAAAAANNANNAAANN!*%#@!

Amen, Igsoon!

Amen!

In Jesus' Name! Amen!

Praise be To The Lord Jesus!

Lord Forgive all of Us, our tresspasses and those who tresspass against us!

Lord let us be worthy of your Heavenly body!
Lord let us be worthy of your Heavenly Blood!

In Jesus' name!

Viva Las Islas Filipinas y Espana!

Go for it, i support you all the way!

An examplary form of Spanish literature is in poetic form.

The best example is Dr. Rizal's Mi Ultimo Adios.

This rendition is read by yours truly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HveVx1eiOB4&feature=channel_page


Adios, Patria adorada, region del sol querida,
Perla del Mar de Oriente, nuestro perdido Eden!
A darte voy alegre la triste mustia vida,
Y fuera más brillante más fresca, más florida,
Tambien por tí la diera, la diera por tu bien.

En campos de batalla, luchando con delirio
Otros te dan sus vidas sin dudas, sin pesar;
El sitio nada importa, ciprés, laurel ó lirio,
Cadalso ó campo abierto, combate ó cruel martirio,
Lo mismo es si lo piden la patria y el hogar.

Yo muero cuando veo que el cielo se colora
Y al fin anuncia el día trás lóbrego capuz;
Si grana necesitas para teñir tu aurora,
Vierte la sangre mía, derrámala en buen hora
Y dórela un reflejo de su naciente luz.

Mis sueños cuando apenas muchacho adolescente,
Mis sueños cuando joven ya lleno de vigor,
Fueron el verte un día, joya del mar de oriente
Secos los negros ojos, alta la tersa frente,
Sin ceño, sin arrugas, sin manchas de rubor.

Ensueño de mi vida, mi ardiente vivo anhelo,
Salud te grita el alma que pronto va á partir!
Salud! ah que es hermoso caer por darte vuelo,
Morir por darte vida, morir bajo tu cielo,
Y en tu encantada tierra la eternidad dormir.

Si sobre mi sepulcro vieres brotar un dia
Entre la espesa yerba sencilla, humilde flor,
Acércala a tus labios y besa al alma mía,
Y sienta yo en mi frente bajo la tumba fría
De tu ternura el soplo, de tu hálito el calor.

Deja á la luna verme con luz tranquila y suave;
Deja que el alba envíe su resplandor fugaz,
Deja gemir al viento con su murmullo grave,
Y si desciende y posa sobre mi cruz un ave
Deja que el ave entone su cantico de paz.

Deja que el sol ardiendo las lluvias evapore
Y al cielo tornen puras con mi clamor en pos,
Deja que un sér amigo mi fin temprano llore
Y en las serenas tardes cuando por mi alguien ore
Ora tambien, Oh Patria, por mi descanso á Dios!

Ora por todos cuantos murieron sin ventura,
Por cuantos padecieron tormentos sin igual,
Por nuestras pobres madres que gimen su amargura;
Por huérfanos y viudas, por presos en tortura
Y ora por tí que veas tu redencion final.

Y cuando en noche oscura se envuelva el cementerio
Y solos sólo muertos queden velando allí,
No turbes su reposo, no turbes el misterio
Tal vez acordes oigas de citara ó salterio,
Soy yo, querida Patria, yo que te canto á ti.

Y cuando ya mi tumba de todos olvidada
No tenga cruz ni piedra que marquen su lugar,
Deja que la are el hombre, la esparza con la azada,
Y mis cenizas antes que vuelvan á la nada,
El polvo de tu alfombra que vayan á formar.

Entonces nada importa me pongas en olvido,
Tu atmósfera, tu espacio, tus valles cruzaré,
Vibrante y limpia nota seré para tu oido,
Aroma, luz, colores, rumor, canto, gemido
Constante repitiendo la esencia de mi fé.

Mi Patria idolatrada, dolor de mis dolores,
Querida Filipinas, oye el postrer adios.
Ahi te dejo todo, mis padres, mis amores.
Voy donde no hay esclavos, verdugos ni opresores,
Donde la fé no mata, donde el que reyna es Dios.

Adios, padres y hermanos, trozos del alma mía,
Amigos de la infancia en el perdido hogar,
Dad gracias que descanso del fatigoso día;
Adios, dulce extrangera, mi amiga, mi alegria,
Adios, queridos séres morir es descansar.

Go for it, Bem!

Think about it this way, in the future when you visit Spain, you will be able to respond back to the Spaniard guys who will ask for your number.

Ja voy!

De Nada, amiga! De nada!

Siempre,

If you don't go for it Bem, (as it does have time conflicts), we can still learn Spanish together here in TB.

We can schedule a basic spanish tutoring here in TB. I can schedule a 2-3 day a week lesson through the page posted.

And conduct a weekly exam/quiz once a week.

We can do basics and if you and anyone else is interested, we can increase difficulty later on.

I'm okay with it. I can refresh my Spanish in the process, lol.

Bembem

Aprenda el Espanol,  la lengua espanola es muy facil especialmente para los todos.
Y, Bem, si usted necesita ayuda pregunta mi.

Siempre

For one month isn't bad, bem. And its free!

Take it! When you're done, we can talk to each other in Spanish here in TB.

Way Nada, there are also other non-canon books that talk about the name of Longinus.

Interestingly enough, in Medical Anatomy, we have a term called the Longinus technique, which is utilized when an anatomist/surgeon takes a 3/4th inch scalpel and makes a diagona incision through the insertion of the Rectus Abdominis muscle.

Ah, it makes sense now why they call it the Longinus technique, since it pierces through the side.

Amazing that even in anatomical science, they utilize Christian reference.

Thanks Way Nada!

I nominate my uncle,

Dr. Renne E. Lucino, M.D
Internal Medicine Specialist

A graduate of Cebu Doctors.

hahaha! tu eres increible, senorita Bem!

Y senorita Bem es mi estudiante especial en la clase de Espanol!

Senorita Bem, que eres su nota? hahaha

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Mao bitaw, Bulak.

We are only give 1 dad in our life.

If you all have a chance, I seriously recommend you guys read an article report:

“The High Cost of Cheap Labor: Illegal Immigration and the Federal Budget.” Steven A. Camarota. Center for Immigration Studies (CIS).

and

Quick Facts about the Bureau of Prisons. Federal Bureau of Prisons. Updated December 2008.

The Effects of Illegal Immigration on the American Educational System:

Quote"With states straining under gaping budget shortfalls, public schools throughout the country are facing some of the most significant decreases in state education funding in decades. In some states, drastic cuts mean lay-offs for teachers, larger class sizes, fewer textbooks, and eliminating sports, language programs, and after-school activities. Nearly two-thirds of the states have cut back or proposed reductions in support for childcare and early childhood programs. Some are even shortening the school week from five days to four.

While these massive budget deficits cannot be attributed to any single source, the enormous impact of large-scale illegal immigration cannot be ignored. The total K-12 school expenditure for illegal immigrants costs the states nearly $12 billion annually, and when the children born here to illegal aliens are added, the costs more than double to $28.6 billion.

This enormous expenditure of the taxpayers’ hard-earned contributions does not, however, represent the total costs. Special programs for non-English speakers are an additional fiscal burden as well as a hindrance to the overall learning environment. A recent study found that dual language programs represent an additional expense of $290 to $879 per pupil depending on the size of the class. In addition, because these children of illegal aliens come from families that are most often living in poverty, there is also a major expenditure for them on supplemental feeding programs in the schools. Those ancillary expenditures have not been included in the calculations in this report.

The data presented here provide yet one more illustration of the costs of turning a blind eye to illegal immigration and should provide further impetus for states to demand that the federal government finally take effective and decisive action to restore integrity to our nation's immigration laws. "

Read the full version:
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_researchf6ad


For me, I have friends who are teachers in New Jersey and in Pennsylvania and work in the public schools and they tell me that there are just too many children, and lack of fundings to provide for some children. The states always are clamoring for more Federal aid and grant to provide the education for AMERICAN Children.

And it infuriates me to know that every year, about $29 Billion is spent on things that should be spent for the needs of American students.

Every year, the United States over 2.5 Billion dollars to imprison illegal immigrants who broke American laws. And when they are in prison, they eat, they sleep, watch tv, all of which cost US Dollars.

And where do these dollars come from?

Answer: American Tax Payer Money.

It all comes down, YET AGAIN, to the American Tax Payer. The embattled Middle Class.

I wrote a 20 paged paper on this in the Allegheny College History Department. I discussed this with my professors.

It is already beyond debate, guys. The level of monetary burden illegal immigration has on the United States is debilitating this nation.

And this is a constant situation. Every year, estimates say that there is over 100,000 immigrants (illegal) that cross the border to the United States.

Due to the fact that these illegal immigrants are undocumented, makes it harder for the United States government to appropriate information on them, and their activities.

The United States also suffers form the growth of Latin-American based gangs such as Crips, Reds, MS13, which all come from Latin American and have spread throughout the United States. They spread drugs, sell drugs, facilitate prostitution and such vices.


It is a virus that must be crushed. And cured.

For the sake of the youth of this country. For the American people.

Illegal immigration must be curbed.

Quote from: hofelina on April 03, 2009, 06:54:50 AM
I have been abroad to The Netherlands (Amsterdam) and to Ukraine and know that there is no such thing as illegal immigrant aid over there, or in most nations.

For your information Lorenzo, Dr Jose Maria Sison and family are staying in Utrecht, and they are getting support from the government out of humanitarian cause.

Tita Tess,

That is an outside case. Sison is also a communist, the leader of the Communist Party.

That does not apply to the entirety of all illegal immigrants in The Netherlands. And his stay in the Netherlands is asylum, but that is to be overturned.

"Sison has resided in the Netherlands where he is seeking asylum as a political refugee. A 2004 court ruling by the European Union endangers the residency status of Sison in Europe and he is expected to be expelled. "

Source:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/5117128.stm

Quote from: ms da binsi on April 03, 2009, 06:41:38 AM

Dodong i was an illegal immigrant and know a lot of the same, i dont remember if we get aid from the government. Yeah we work though and that we get money to feed ourselves. Any illegal immigs never get any aid of whatsoever, never even food stamps...

Ate Belle, they do.

This is an article alone concerning the city of Lost Angeles, California:

QuoteThrough their citizen children, illegal immigrants in Los Angeles County collect $420 million annually in welfare and food stamps, according to a report requested by 5th District County Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich.

The Los Angeles County Department of Public Social Services told the supervisor that payments to illegal immigrants’ children amount to approximately 24% of the county’s combined CalWORKS and food stamps budget, officials said.

"What we found was kind of astonishing," said Tony Bell, an Antonovich aide.

Each month, the county doles out $77 million in CalWORKS assistance, $20 million of which goes to the citizen dependent children of illegal immigrants, said Helen Berberian, another Antonovich aide. CalWORKS is the state’s welfare-to-work program.

Along with CalWORKS assistance, the county approves $70 million every month in food stamps, with $15 million going to legal children of illegal immigrants, Berberian said.

The welfare payments go to nearly 100,000 children of 60,000 illegal immigrants, Antonovich’s staff said. His staff estimated that Los Angeles County has almost 12% of the United States’ illegal immigrant population.

http://wehategringos.com/whg/?p=1567

In the state of California, Ate Belle, over 10 billion dollars alone are spent for the housing, aid, education of illegals. etc.

On a national basis, over $29 BILLION are spent for educating illegal immigrant children; and children born to illegal immigrants.
This is just the educational aspect.

Please read:
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_researchf6ad

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_researchf6ad

Quote from: bridge on April 03, 2009, 06:44:02 AM
Yeah, The situation is differnet with Vietnam and Iraq. I had never compare them.. And still in April 2009 people from Iraq apply for refuges status in different countries....

You did compare them, You posted:

Quote from: bridge on April 03, 2009, 06:12:22 AM


But still had US not follow the commitment to clean up in Vietnamn after the war! I had work there with aid progam in the old military zones, for other international organizations than americans!

No, I am not really proud!

Your post inferred that the United States should help in Vietnam, but it did. It took in 131,000 Vietnamese. As, technically speaking, that is what it was able to do. The United States could not rebuild Vietnam immediatley after the war due to the political rammifcations and the differences Hanoi and Washington had. Must remember that the two governments were in military conflict since 1967.

Cheers.

Quote from: bridge on April 03, 2009, 06:34:21 AM
Hofelina, yeah Pres Obama he wish to close the Guantanamo base.

Many country leader in the world had press Obama to that too, probably thats why some of them come and stay in different countries prison. Many of them had not got an international court hearing, contrary to the international legal system. I am not familiar with it but I think some cases should be examined in the War Crimes Tribunal.

This is a topic that is not en lieu with the subject matter.

Get back to the topic.

Also, Bridge, there is a difference when comparing the situation in Iraq to that of Vietnam some 3 decades ago.

The situation in Vietnam was complete and unnavigable considering the defeat of the nation of South Vietnam in 1975. The North Vietnamese conquest of Saigon united the two nations under one banner. The Democratic Socialist Republic of Vietnam.

Considering the United States was a strategic ally of the South Vietnamese, it had an obligation to offer assistance to the South Vietnaese (mostly soldiers of south vietnam and their families, politicians, bankeres, capitalists, academians etc). In good faith, the United States would not allow them to be persecuted by the Communists, so therefore offered them refugee status to the United States. Many of whom were relocated to Idaho, Georgia, Louisiana, Nebraska, and other Midwestern states.

The situation in Iraq is categorically different as Iraq was liberated by the United States Military, toppling over Sadam Hussein and its regime. The sectarian violence we saw in Iraq after the American Invasion in 2003 was due to the porous border between Iraq and Syria, Iran, etc.

The violence and level of violence has substantially decreased, due to American military presence and preserverance, which has led to the training of over 400,000 Iraqi military and police/paramilitary personnel.

The American Military presence vied for time to allow the development of Iraqi Democracy, to the government we see today, which has prospered and is a success for American Geopolitcal experiment. The government of Iraq, which was once feared to collapse due to the difference and inability for Sunni and Shi'i to collaborate, as seen in 2003-2006. However, the Iraqi people have united in disgust of the terrorists that come to the country, and as a result, there has been a high degree of cooperation between Sunni, Shi'i and Kurds.

The newly formed and American-Trained Iraqi Republican Army has taken initiative and has lifted the pressure on the United States Military in the region; taking patrol routes and providing stability to regions that were once rife with sectarian violence and high terrorist activity. Minimized.

Additionally, the United States Government provides an unprecedented aid to the Iraqi government and people; leading to the development of infrastructure, hospitals, market districts etc.

Iraq is a success for the United States, and with time, with American support, the Iraqi people will no longer need to go abroad as refugees, but seek and re-establish their lives again in Iraq.

Within the 6 year time line, since the Invasion of Iraq in 2003, the United States Military and Government has accomplished alot in Iraq. Most importantly is the supplanting of a Western-styled Democracy in the Middle East.

As you see, the two theaters; Iraq and Vietnam is totally different. The former is a success story, and the latter was a political and military discrepancy that required America to open its doors to its former ally.

Cheers,
Lorenzo

Quote from: bridge on April 03, 2009, 06:12:22 AM
Yeah, I know the war cost, like tax payer in US, Philippines and in a European country, at the same time! But US had self been the active part in the war, so of course they need to talk the costs too.

But still had US not follow the commitment to clean up in Vietnamn after the war! I had work there with aid progam in the old military zones, for other international organizations than americans!

No, I am not really proud!

The United States has no obligation to rebuild Communist Vietnam. Such action that you are inferring would require pluripotency. The United States fulfilled its pledge and relationship with the defeated government of South Vietnam by opening its doors to the Vietnamese who were fleeing Vietnam and under assault by the Communist North Vietnamese.

The United States' action was unprecedented.

Over 131,000 Vietnamese immigrants were granted refugee status in the United States and relocated in the United States.

Unprecedented.

Obama should never close Guantanamo. He is also insisting that these terrorists be placed in Federal penitentiaries.

Terrorist do not deserve to be placed in our midst nor should they be placed in prisons in Europe.

But this is beyond and outside the scope of topic.

In the perspective of the American Citizen,

Why should we pay taxes and have our taxes to be used to send refugees of foreign lands to the United States? The United States spends and provides billions of dollars worth in aid annually as it is.

Money should be spent for growth and maintenance of infrastructure; maintenance of roads, bridges, highways, building new schools, building new prisons, hospitals, airports etc.

More programs and policies that affects the average American citizen. Increasing and solving the medical system and medicare system for the elderly, reforming the educational system for our American youth, reforming the welfare systems to be used for American Citizens and/or documented Legal immigrants/ resident aliens.

It matters not, Bridge.

Either it be refugee or illegal immigrants, it all stems back to governmental provision for them. Does it not? Who bears the cost for economic aid to refugees in the 'states? Who pays for their airplane tickets? Who pays for the education of their children?Who pays and provides for their housing, who provides for their monthly stipend?

The United States Government does.
Where does the United States government get funds to appropriate such spending?

The American Citizen and the American Tax Payer money.

The United States doesn't have to open its doors blindly to any refugee. Screening process is rigid here in the United States. Good for the Europeans who open their doors to refugees. As a collective, the EU can afford more.