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#28701
What a very interesting topic, a poignant article, and a thought-provoking statement by Ben.

Philosophies tend to either agree or disagree with each other, and the manner in which they manifest in physical form depends on the individual who believes in the said philosophy. The saying can be put to physical form when we remember the atrocities committed by German soldiers who believed in the cause of National Socialism, in the tenets of Adolf Hitler's promise of a 'German Third Reich', the belief in the evils caused by what Hitler called the 'International Jewry and supporters.' Over 10 million German soldiers and civilians perished in a war that they publicly supported, made obvious by giving the Mandate to Rule to Adolf Hitler and members of the National Socialist Party. The core tenet of the German National Socialist Agenda was obviously ethnocentric, racist {xenophobic}, as well as militant in nature.; just by reading scholarly articles that they presented , one cannot help but notice the obvious scapegoating tactic it utilized. It was clearly anti-Jewish, anti-Slavic, anti-communism, anti-capitalism etc. It was a political philosophy that took control of the religious, cultural pillars in that country during that point in time.

In regards to the 3 Abrahamic faiths , namely: Judaism, Christianity, Islam, there are similarities in their teachings, as well as theological differences (namely salvation history, and attainment of salvation). But if one reads their philosophies, without adulterating it in a political agenda, there really is no violence. {Tho there are some specific verses in the Q'uran that has a militant attitude, for the most part, it is similar to the Bible and the Talmud in the emphasis of peace, spiritual atonement, faith-inspirational readings}

In the end, Ben, we all make choices in life; some die for a cause, some die without a cause. This reminds me of a beautiful transcendentalist phrase by Whitman:


"To thee old cause!
Thou peerless, passionate, good cause,
Thou stern, remorseless, sweet idea,
Deathless throughout the ages, races, lands,
After a strange sad war, great war for thee,
(I think all war through time was really fought, and ever will be
really fought, for thee,)
These chants for thee, the eternal march of thee...."


-To Thee Old Cause,  by Walt Whitman

#28702
THE ULTIMATE PUNISHMENT: A DEFENSE

Ernest van den Haag

John M. Olin Professor of Jurisprudence and Public Policy, Fordham University.











In an average year about 20,000 homicides occur in the United States. Fewer than 300 convicted murderers are sentenced to death. But because no more than thirty murderers have been executed in any recent year, most convicts sentenced to death are likely to die of old age (1). Nonetheless, the death penalty looms large in discussions: it raises important moral questions independent of the number of executions (2).

The death penalty is our harshest punishment (3). It is irrevocable: it ends the existence of those punished, instead of temporarily imprisoning them. Further, although not intended to cause physical pain, execution is the only corporal punishment still applied to adults (4). These singular characteristics contribute to the perennial, impassioned controversy about capital punishment.

I. DISTRIBUTION

Consideration of the justice, morality, or usefulness, of capital punishment is often conflated with objections to its alleged discriminatory or capricious distribution among the guilty. Wrongly so. If capital punishment is immoral in se, no distribution cannot affect the quality of what is distributed, be it punishments or rewards. Discriminatory or capricious distribution thus could not justify abolition of the death penalty. Further, maldistribution inheres no more in capital punishment than in any other punishment.

Maldistribution between the guilty and the innocent is, by definition, unjust. But the injustice does not lie in the nature of the punishment. Because of the finality of the death penalty, the most grievous maldistribution occurs when it is imposed upon the innocent. However, the frequent allegations of discrimination and capriciousness refer to maldistribution among the guilty and not to the punishment of the innocent (5).

Maldistribution of any punishment among those who deserves it is irrelevant to its justice or morality. Even if poor or black convicts guilty of capital offenses suffer capital punishment, and other convicts equally guilty of the same crimes do not, a more equal distribution, however desirable, would merely be more equal. It would not be more just to the convicts under sentence of death.

Punishments are imposed on person, not on racial or economic groups. Guilt is personal. The only relevant question is: does the person to be executed deserve the punishment? Whether or not others who deserved the same punishment, whatever their economic or racial group, have avoided execution is irrelevant. If they have, the guilt if the executed convicts would not be diminished, nor would their punishment be less deserved. To put the issue starkly, if the death penalty were imposed on guilty blacks, but not on guilty whites, or, if it were imposed by a lottery among the guilty, this irrationally discriminatory or capricious distribution would neither make the penalty unjust, nor cause anyone to be unjustly punished, despite the undue impunity bestowed on others (6).

Equality, in short, seems morally less important than justice. And justice is independent of distributional inequalities. The ideal of equal justice demands that justice be equally distributed, not that it be replace by equality. Justice requires that as many of the guilty as possible be punished, regardless of whether others have avoided punishment. To let these others escape the deserved punishment does not do justice to them, or to society. But it is not unjust to those who could not escape.

These moral considerations are not meant to deny that irrational discrimination, or capriciousness, would be inconsistent with constitutional requirements. But I am satisfied that the Supreme Court has in fact provided for adherence to the constitutional requirement of equality as much as is possible. Some inequality is indeed unavoidable as a practical matter in any system (7). But, ultra posse nemo obligatur. (Nobody is bound beyond ability)(8).

Recent data reveal little direct racial discrimination in the sentencing of those arrested and convicted of murder. (9) The abrogation of the death penalty for rape has eliminated a major source of racial discrimination. Concededly, some discrimination based on the race of murder victims may exist; yet, this discrimination affects criminal murder victimizers in an unexpected way. Murderers of whites are thought more likely to be executed than murderers of blacks. Black victims, then, are less fully vindicated than white ones. However, because most black murderers kill blacks, black murderers are spared the death penalty more often than are white murderers. They fare better than most white murderers (10). The motivation behind unequal distribution of the death penalty may well have been to discriminate against blacks, but the result has favored them. Maldistribution is thus a straw man for empirical as well as analytical reasons.

II. MISCARRIAGES OF JUSTICE

In a recent survey Professors Hugo Adam Bedau and Michael Radelet found that 7000 persons were executed in the United States between 1900 and 1985 and that 35 were innocent of capital crimes (11). Among the innocents they list Sacco and Vanzetti as well as Ethel and Julius Rosenberg. Although their data may be questionable, I do not doubt that, over a long enough period, miscarriages of justice will occur even in capital cases.

Despite precautions, nearly all human activities, such as trucking, lighting, or construction, cost the lives of some innocent bystanders. We do not give up these activities, because the advantages, moral or material, outweigh the unintended losses (12). Analogously, for those who think the death penalty just, miscarriages of justice are offset by the moral benefits and the usefulness of doing justice. For those who think death penalty unjust even when it does not miscarry, miscarriages can hardly be decisive.

III. DETERRENCE

Despite much recent work, there has been no conclusive statistical demonstration that the death penalty is a better deterrent than are alternative punishments (13). However, deterrence is less than decisive for either side. Most abolitionists acknowledge that they would continue to favor abolition even if the death penalty were shown to deter more murders than alternatives could deter (14). Abolitionists appear to value the life of a convicted murderer or, at least, his non-execution, more highly than they value the lives of the innocent victims who might be spared by deterring prospective murderers.

Deterrence is not altogether decisive for me either. I would favor retention of the death penalty as retribution even if it were shown that the threat of execution could not deter prospective murderers not already deterred by the threat of imprisonment (15). Still, I believe the death penalty, because of its finality, is more feared than imprisonment, and deters some prospective murderers not deterred by the thought of imprisonment. Sparing the lives of even a few prospective victims by deterring their murderers is more important than preserving the lives of convicted murderers because o the possibility, or even the probability, tht executing them would not deter others. Whereas the live of the victims who might be saved are valuable, that of the murderer has only negative value, because of his crime. Surely the criminal law is meant to protect the lives of potential victims in preference to those of actual murderers.

Murder rates are determined by many factors; neither the severity nor the probability of the threatened sanction is always decisive. However, for the long run, I share the view of Sir James Fitzjames Stephen: "Some men, probably, abstain from murder because they fear that if they committed murder they would be hanged. Hundreds of thousands abstain from it because they regard it with horror. One great reason why they regard it with horror is that murderers are hanged (16)" Penal sanctions are useful in the long run for the formation of the internal restraints so necessary to control crime. The severity and finality of the death penalty is appropriate to the seriousness and the finality of murder (17).

IV. INCIDENTAL ISSUES: COST, RELATIVE

SUFFERING, BRUTALIZATION

Many nondecisive issues are associated with capital punishment. Some believe that the monetary cost of appealing a capital sentence is excessive (18). Yet most comparisons of the cost of life imprisonment with the cost of life imprisonment with the cost of execution, apart from their dubious relevance, are flawed at least by the implied assumption that life prisoners will generate no judicial costs during their imprisonment. At any rate, the actual monetary costs are trumped by the importance of doing justice.

Others insist that a person sentenced to death suffers more than his victim suffered, and that this (excess) suffering is undue according to the lex talionis (rule of retaliation) (19). We cannot know whether the murderer on death row suffers more than his victim suffered; however, unlike the murderer, the victim deserved none of the suffering inflicted. Further, the limitations of the lex talionis were meant to restrain private vengeance, not the social retribution that has taken its place. Punishment-- regardless of the motivation-- is not intended to revenge, offset, or compensate for the victim's suffering, or to measured by it. Punishment is to vindicate the law and the social order undermined by the crime. This is why a kidnapper's penal confinement is not limited to the period for which he imprisoned his victim; nor is a burglar's confinement meant merely to offset the suffering or the harm he caused his victim; nor is it meant only to offset the advantage he gained (20).

Another argument heard at least since Beccaria (21) is that, by killing a murderer, we encourage, endorse, or legitimize unlawful killing Yet, although all punishments are meant to be unpleasant, it is seldom argued that they legitimize the unlawful imposition of identical unpleasantness. Imprisonment is not thought to legitimize kidnapping; neither are fines thought to legitimize robbery. The difference between murder and execution, or between kidnapping and imprisonment, is that the first is unlawful and undeserved, the second a lawful and deserved punishment for an unlawful act. The physical similarities of the punishment to the crime are irrelevant. The relevant difference is not physical, but social (22).

V. JUSTICE, EXCESS, DEGRADATION

We threaten punishments in order to deter crime. We impose them not only to make the threats credible but also as retribution (justice) for the crimes that were not deterred. Threats and punishments are necessary to deter and deterrence is a sufficient practical justification for them. Retribution is an independent moral justification (23). Although penalties can be unwise, repulsive, or inappropriate, and those punished can be pitiable, in a sense the infliction of legal punishment on a guilty person cannot be unjust. By committing the crime, the criminal volunteered to assume the risk of receiving a legal punishment that he could have avoided by not committing the crime. The punishment he suffers is the punishment he voluntarily risked suffering and, therefore, it is no more unjust to him than any other event for which one knowingly volunteer to assume the risk. Thus, the death penalty cannot be unjust to the guilty criminal (24).

There remain, however, two moral objections. The penalty may be regarded as always excessive as retribution and always morally degrading. To regard the death penalty as always excessive, one must believe that no crime-- no matter how heinous-- could possibly justify capital punishment. Such a belief can be neither corroborated nor refuted; it is an article of faith.

Alternatively, or concurrently, one may believe that everybody, the murderer no less than the victim, has an imprescriptible (natural?) right to life. The law therefore should not deprive anyone of life. I share Jeremy Bentham's view that any such "natural and imprescriptible rights" are "nonsense upon stilts." (25)

Justice Brennan has insisted that the death penalty is "uncivilized," "inhuman," inconsistent with "human dignity" and with "the sanctity of life," (26) that it "treats members of the human race as nonhumans, as objects to be toyed with and discarded," (27) that it is "uniquely degrading to human dignity"(28) and "by its very nature, [involves] a denial of the executed person's humanity." (29) Justice Brennan does not say why he thinks execution "uncivilized." Hitherto most civilizations have had the death penalty, although it has been discarded in Western Europe, where it is currently unfashionable probably because of its abuse by totalitarian regimes.

By "degrading," Justice Brennan seems to mean that execution degrades the executed convicts. Yet philosophers, such as Immanuel Kant and G.F.W. Hegel, have insisted that, when deserved, execution, far from degrading the executed convict, affirms his humanity by affirming his rationality and his responsibility for his actions. They thought that execution, when deserved, is required for the sake of the convict's dignity. (Does not life imprisonment violate human dignity more than execution, by keeping alive a prisoner deprived of all autonomy?)(30).

Common sense indicates that it cannot be death-- our common fate-- that is inhuman. Therefore, Justice Brennan must mean that death degrades when it comes not as a natural or accidental event, but as a deliberate social imposition. The murderer learns through his punishment that his fellow men have found him unworthy of living; that because he has murdered, he is being expelled from the community of the living. This degradation is self-inflicted. By murdering, the murderer has so dehumanized himself that he cannot remain among the living. The social recognition of his self-degradation is the punitive essence of execution. To believe, as Justice Brennan appears to, that the degradation is inflicted by the execution reverses the direction of casuality.

Execution of those who have committed heinous murders may deter only one murder per year. If it does, it seems quite warranted. Its is also the only fitting retribution for murder I can think of.


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/angel/procon/haagarticle.html
#28703
Photos Unlimited / Re: Inside the Basilicas of Rome
September 16, 2010, 07:54:37 AM



Castel Sant' Angelo


(more to come)
#28704
Photos Unlimited / Inside the Basilicas of Rome
September 16, 2010, 07:53:14 AM
The beauty of Rome.

#28705
Quotable Quotes / Re: Quote For The Day
September 16, 2010, 07:45:06 AM
Quote from: vhinz08 on September 15, 2010, 04:59:45 PM
One reason a dog is such a lovable creature is his tail wags instead on  his tongue.   :P

haha,..


First love is only a little foolishness and a lot of curiosity.
George Bernard Shaw
#28706
Quotable Quotes / Re: The Pessimist, Optimist and Realist
September 16, 2010, 07:43:44 AM
#28707
Quotable Quotes / Re: Love Quote of the Day
September 16, 2010, 07:42:52 AM
Absence diminishes mediocre passions and increases great ones, as the wind extinguishes candles and fans fires.
Francois de La Rochefoucauld
#28709
This is one of the Japanese Navy songs, that I think has a catchy tune. The 'Kaigun' was very important to the island nation's empire and I therefore thought it was a must to include to the Gunka collection.
The translation is by me, by hand, and as usual I compiled the footage to go along with it.

'Getsugetsukasuimokugingin' is best translated as '24/7', every day of the week (the characters are for all the individual weekdays). Here its meant to describe that the Japanese sailor must always be on duty and on guard.


軍歌:月月火水木é‡'é‡' (Through the day, throughout the week)
#28710
Waffen SS Parade March - ♫ Viktoria Sieg Heil ♫ (high quality)

Ade, mein liebes Schätzelein,
再會, 吾æ,,›Schätzelein
Ade, ade, ade,
再見, 再見, 再見
Es muß, es muß geschieden sein
æˆ'å€'一定要, 一定要分離
Ade, ade, ade,
再見, 再見, 再見
Es geht um Deutschlands Gloria,
這是ç,ºæˆ'å¾·æ,,å¿—çš,,榮耀
Gloria, Gloria,
榮耀, 榮耀,
Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil! Viktoria!
Sieg Heil! Viktoria!
Visier und Ziel sind eingestellt
視野與目標皆已çž,,準
Ade, ade, ade,
再見, 再見, 再見
Auf Stalin, Churchill, Roosevelt,
çž,,å'史é"æž—, é,±å‰çˆ¾, ç¾...斯福
Ade, ade, ade,
再見, 再見, 再見
Es geht um Deutschlands Gloria,
這是ç,ºæˆ'å¾·æ,,å¿—çš,,榮耀
Gloria, Gloria,
榮耀, 榮耀,
Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil! Viktoria!
Sieg Heil! Viktoria!
Wir ruhen und wir rasten nicht
æˆ'å€'ä¼'息片刻又即起程
Ade, ade, ade,
再見, 再見, 再見
Bis daß die Satansbrut zerbricht,
直到å...‡æ®˜çš,,惡é­"被æ‰"æ•—
Ade, ade, ade,
再見, 再見, 再見
Es geht um Deutschlands Gloria,
這是ç,ºæˆ'å¾·æ,,å¿—çš,,榮耀
Gloria, Gloria,
榮耀, 榮耀
Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil! Viktoria!
Sieg Heil! Viktoria
Reich mir die Hand zum Scheidegruß
請將手握緊與æˆ'踐行
Ade, ade, ade,
再見, 再見, 再見
Und deinen Mund zum Abschiedskuß
å'Œå¦³çš,,é›™å"‡èˆ‡æˆ'吻別
Ade, ade, ade,
再見, 再見, 再見
Es geht um Deutschlands Gloria,
這是ç,ºæˆ'å¾·æ,,å¿—çš,,榮耀
Gloria, Gloria,
榮耀, 榮耀,
Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil! Viktoria!
Sieg Heil! Viktoria!
#28712
Youtube Replay / Frank Caliendo - Impressions
September 16, 2010, 12:07:53 AM
#28713
Youtube Replay / Oprah Winfrey: Hilarious Devil
September 15, 2010, 11:57:11 PM
#28714
Youtube Replay / Oprah Winfrey: The Jacka$$ Show
September 15, 2010, 11:56:36 PM
#28715
It's just something from me to you. :)
#28716
Quote from: st. agnes on September 14, 2010, 12:13:09 PM
@ Branbran
I really can’t help it. My emotions are fluctuating.. sometimes I’m feelin happy, sometimes I feel blue, sometimes I feel scared basta lahi-lahi…
With all these I’m hanging with God always.. but I can’t help it but asked God oftentimes “why me?” and “why now?” I often tell you I am fine, I am good.. anyway.. yes! Its true, Im always ok and good. But I really feel sometimes emotional… denial.. rejected.. useless… I think being emo is normal in my situation… that is why TB play a big role in my recovery… I expressed here everything I feel… thank you so much for the chance… Bran, don’t you worry about me… as I always say “I am a fighter”  so don’t yah worry ur lil sissy Im in good hands…


Elsie, my darling sister,

I know you are strong, just want you to know that you are beloved by many. Most of all, you are truly precious in His sight...
God Bless you so much, Elsie..May Our Lord continue to protect you and encourage you.

I love you, sis...
Bran
#28717
God has given each and every one of us our own unique gifts and talentsâ€"special skills and abilities (1 Corinthians 12:1-31). He wants us to use these gifts to encourage each other and help each other. Romans 12:10-16 says, “Love one another with brotherly affection. . . . Rejoice with those who rejoice, weep with those who weep. Live in harmony. . . .”
#28718
Therefore, as you received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in him, rooted and built up in him and established in the faith, just as you were taught.
Colossians 2:6â€"7
#28719
Bible Study / Re: Open The Eyes Of My Heart
September 15, 2010, 01:08:07 PM
open the eyes of my heart Lord
open the eyes of my heart
i want to see You
i want to see You

open the eyes of my heart Lord
open the eyes of my heart
i want to see You
i want to see You

open the eyes of my heart Lord
open the eyes of my heart
i want to see You
i want to see You

open the eyes of my heart Lord
open the eyes of my heart
i want to see You
i want to see You

to see you high and lifted up
shining it the light of your glory
Lord, pour out your power and love
as we sing Holy, Holy, Holy

open the eyes of my heart Lord
open the eyes of my heart
i want to see You
i want to see You

open the eyes of my heart Lord
open the eyes of my heart
i want to see You
i want to see You

to see you high and lifted up
shining it the light of your glory
Lord, pour out your power and love
as we sing Holy, Holy, Holy

you are high and lifted up
and you're shining in the light of your glory
Lord, pour out your power and love
as we sing Holy, Holy, Holy

high and lifted up
and you're shining in the light of your glory
Lord, pour out your power and love
as we sing Holy, Holy, Holy

Holy, Holy, Holy,
you are Holy, Holy Holy
Holy, Holy, Holy
I want to see you

Holy, Holy, Holy,
you are Holy, Holy Holy
Holy, Holy, Holy
I want to see you

(ladies)
open the eyes of my heart Lord
open the eyes of my heart
I want to see You
I want to see You

(men)
Holy, Holy, Holy,
you are Holy, Holy, Holy,
Holy, Holy, Holy,
I want to see you
#28721
Bible Study / Above All Worship
September 15, 2010, 01:06:06 PM
#28722
Kaliwat Bol-anon / Re: Lagunay Clan of Dimiao
September 15, 2010, 12:58:28 PM
Quote from: Han Delaguna on September 14, 2010, 05:24:19 PM
Lorenzo,

My nanny, whom we called Mamay Isang, was also the nanny of my mother, then became the nanny of my children, and among those who took care of my bedridden grandma -- and she was from Valencia. We always have dear memories of her. 

Mr. Lagunay,

Such memories are , indeed, what colors our past and can even bring a smile to a face. During my stay in Bohol, I frequently visited Valencia and during my drive to and from Valencia, I always drove past  the town of Dimiao. I actually managed to stop by the center of Dimiao one time in order to fully appreciate the beauty of the local catholic church as well as to talk to some people about the town.

I do miss those quaint drives.

My warmest regards, good sir.

Best,
Lorenzo
#28723
The beautiful French partisan rebel and anti-Nazi.



Shoshana.
#28724
General Topic / Sad Encounter w/ Megan Fox
September 15, 2010, 08:40:39 AM
Luuy pood.

#28725
 :'(
#28726
Poems and Poets / Re: O Captain! My Captain!
September 15, 2010, 01:19:00 AM
Quote from: islander on September 14, 2010, 01:00:33 PM
unfortunately, i was shy (sigh), unlike my older sister. :(   

que que? uwawon dyay ka? shocking news, indeed.
#28727
Anonymous Diary Blog / Re: When I Think of You
September 14, 2010, 12:11:29 PM
Quote from: Mike Ortega Ligalig on March 17, 2008, 04:56:38 AM


Michael, do you still feel the same way for this person?

#28728
General Topic / Re: Oh! My Kabaw!
September 14, 2010, 12:05:45 PM
Quote from: st. agnes on September 14, 2010, 11:45:29 AM
@ Bran... yeah, still remember when I do usually matched u with Ligaya.. lol
              how is she by the way?
              kumusta ang inyong love team? ahahaha

hahaha di man to love team uy. Friends ra man mi.
Gi padala lang siya nako ug Heart of chocolates sa valentines day as a gift. :)
#28729
Poems and Poets / Re: O Captain! My Captain!
September 14, 2010, 12:04:16 PM
...and you being so diligent in remembering this, did you not do the same?

#28730
Dear Beautiful,


There is no impossibility for God, so always put your trust in Him who has the power to change what is unchangeable, and direct us to the paths He has chosen for us all according to His Good Purpose.

This reminds me of a message a good friend of mine, Fr. Ranulfo Ganido, our medical chaplain. In his message during that particular mass, he emphasized the importance in our ability to carry our own innate crosses that the Lord places on us. He said something that was rather poignant--that these difficulties are not made or placed in us to break us, but rather, are placed to test us, and to steer us towards a strong relationship with our God. I think there is great truth in this, personally.

First and foremost, please know that we are thinking and praying for you. We love you, abundantly. And that you can always turn to us here in Tubag Bohol Dot Com , as our arms will always be open wide. A brother or sister in pain should not have to worry in suffering being alone, but should know that he is cared for. That said, Elsie, I know that no matter what we say, in the end, this personal trial requires your own patience, your own strength to bear with the pain that we are placed in. But I want you to know that no matter what, whether we be in good health, or in bad health, always always hold on to that which is beautiful. It is your faith in God.

Strength during times of trouble and during times of tests is what consolidates our faith. We are reminded that Faith is tested in fire.

Romans 8: 18, "For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory that is to be revealed to us."


~

I'd like to share with you a video I prepared months ago. It reflects the relationship between us (our ever present yearning to be with God), and Our Lord God.

Vivida in Tempore/ In The Time







Love and Kisses,
BranBran
#28731
General Topic / Re: Oh! My Kabaw!
September 14, 2010, 11:06:06 AM
Quote from: st. agnes on September 14, 2010, 10:07:53 AM
Bro Bran... svetlana... shes good and shes planning to get home by December this year.
actually she's married nah with a norwergian guy..
no baby still.

with Gelyan - u know her ryt? bago lang sya nanganak... a month or 2 months ago... naa na syay healthy baby.

with mari -- wala koy updates with her.

with borobotoy - he is good, actually diri sila sa Pilar last summer, gi visit ko nila dire sa amoa.

with teng - he still in cebu, pretty good... he do usually join the fun run. hes kinda more physical na karon -- health conscious ang turtle..

with scott - he is based now in Dumaguette, nag teach sa mga Koreans.. good for them they are all doin good.

Good to hear that the old guards are doing well ! I still remember the good ol' times when you used to make me laugh when i was doing lab work @ college in the wee hours of the night. oh you have no idea how you guys kept me up at night (and helped me finish work,btw!). hahaha. almost 3 years ago. crazy isn't it?

My best and warmest regards.
as always, my dear.
#28732
Quote from: chicogon on June 16, 2010, 09:20:30 AM


And a gift of Vodka direct from Russia given by Czech friends, David Burian
and Magda Burianova

Da! Da! Zdraste vodka russkaya!  ;D
#28733
Introduce Yourself / Re: Newbie, here.
September 14, 2010, 11:00:22 AM
Quote from: islander on September 14, 2010, 10:04:11 AM
hello, gat.  welcome, welcome.  step into our parlor... enjoy.

(wow, lamia sa coffee and pandesal ni lorenz uy.  gai ko bi.)

Colombian blend man gud ni siya, Isles, with a touch of French vanilla cream.
let me pour you a cup as well. :)
#28734
Quote from: glacier_71 on April 03, 2009, 11:21:39 AM
most artists use mary jane, wad, or some more potent substances

You're right , it does induce creativity, paranoid delusions, impaired judgment as well as hallucinations.

I remember being offered a blunt when I was in college by some friends , I refused however. Never liked the smell. Nor did I like the effects it caused in some of them.
#28735
Kaliwat Bol-anon / Re: Lagunay Clan of Dimiao
September 14, 2010, 09:36:49 AM
Mr. Lagunay, I did not know you were from Dimiao. So very close to my beloved Valencia. :)
#28736
General Topic / Re: Oh! My Kabaw!
September 14, 2010, 09:34:48 AM
Quote from: kan-ogong on September 14, 2010, 02:47:28 AM
ako lang unya ka ingnon bai. salamat sa invitation God Bless

Noted jud ni, bai. Hope to see you this coming Enero. Regards always!
#28737
General Topic / Re: Oh! My Kabaw!
September 14, 2010, 09:06:58 AM
El Pochero,





#28738
Indeed, and to know that Dr. Evardone-Astilero is also a member of Tubag Bohol doubles the impact!

hehehe!
#28739
Quote from: chicogon on September 14, 2010, 12:32:11 AM
Another thanks to Leo...

http://www.boholchronicle.com/2010/aug/1/bared.htm



I met him, Leo Udtohan, at the wedding anniversary party of Mrs. Fiel Angeli AraoArao-Gabin and her husband.
Very briefly , but i thought very highly of him. Seems like a really good guy!
#28740
Bible Study / Re: Daily Scriptural Verse
September 14, 2010, 07:41:02 AM
Jesus Christ, Our Good Shepherd



"I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know meâ€" just as the Father knows me and I know the Fatherâ€"and I lay down my life for the sheep. I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd. The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my lifeâ€"only to take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father."
John 10:14-18
#28741
Bible Study / Re: Daily Scriptural Verse
September 14, 2010, 07:36:40 AM
Demonstrating Virtues From Within..




If it is serving, let him serve; if it is teaching, let him teach; if it is encouraging, let him encourage; if it is contributing to the needs of others, let him give generously; if it is leadership, let him govern diligently; if it is showing mercy, let him do it cheerfully.

Romans 12:7-9
#28742
Bible Study / Re: Daily Scriptural Verse
September 14, 2010, 07:35:23 AM
Be Happy, Be Joyful, Enjoying One's Youth




Be happy, young man, while you are young, and let your heart give you joy in the days of your youth. Follow the ways of your heart and whatever your eyes see, but know that for all these things God will bring you to judgment.
Ecclesiastes 11:9
#28743
General Topic / Re: Oh! My Kabaw!
September 14, 2010, 07:28:39 AM
Quote from: chicogon on September 14, 2010, 06:17:25 AM


Kini na lang na klaseng kabaw atong ihawon kay way bidli, low-iodine and zero cholesterol hehehehe  ;D


puahahahaha! morag high in fiber man ning klaseng kabao, Father.

;D
#28744
Quote from: chicogon on September 14, 2010, 12:11:19 AM
That's Dr. Brydz (Brydon Borja Lungay), a cuzin, anak ni Hermogena "Nene" Borja Lungay, the famous Boholana artist (http://tubagbohol.mikeligalig.com/whos-who-bohol/bohol's-greatest-woman-visual-artist-hermogena-borja-lungay/). He's a jack-of-all-trade-kinda guy and a very good one (on all of them): painting, sailboat. kayak & catamaran building, songwriting, playing guitar (he used to play @ Hyatt-Dubai and China), sculpture, etc.

Kainget Kayaks - Catamaran Update
Catamaran building at Caingget last July

Dr. Brydz: The Man Behind The Dream
He wrote the song, There Is More, on this video



Thanks Father for telling me. Yes indeed he is a jack of all trades. :)

Love the videos.
#28745
Cars and Automotive / Re: Mercedes Benz GL-350
September 14, 2010, 04:21:52 AM
Quote from: Bambi on September 14, 2010, 02:07:25 AM
MERCEDES BENZ SLK 200 Kompressor - Auto Video

This is exactly the kind of car we bought last Springtime, our first Mercedez Benz SLK 200 Compressor. Love it to cruise during mild summer days with its 184 PS...though I like and love BMW (navigated a BMW coupe for a period of 6 yrs.)

Wow wow. very nice!!
#28746
Bible Study / Re: He Is Lord
September 14, 2010, 12:56:46 AM
Lyrics

Oh blessed lamb once slain
Will reign forever more
His hands once bound now save
Our God will never fail

He is Lord
He is Lord
Sings my soul
He is Lord
And He lives
Yes He lives
I'm alive 'cause Jesus lives

'Tis at the cross of Christ
Where earth and heaven meet
Where sin is overcome
To God the victory

And now
Let the earth resound with praise
For our Saviour God He reigns
He is high and lifted up
Arise
For the King of glory waits
He is coming back again
#28747
Bible Study / He Is Lord
September 14, 2010, 12:55:54 AM
Powerful Worship Song!

HE Is Lord



Hillsong - He Is Lord - With Subtitles/Lyrics
#28748
Music and Video / Re: Your Name High
September 14, 2010, 12:54:21 AM
Your innocence forsaken
Upon that cross
You gave Yourself for us
Carried into Your freedom

Our broken past replaced in
A second chance
The chains have come undone
Death defied in the Father’s love

CHORUS
We are,
Living to make Your Name high
Jesus
Living to make Your Name high
Jesus You,
Gave what the world couldn’t offer us
Say what they want, Say what they want
We are free

VERSE 2
The atmosphere is changing,
Oh can You hear
The people rising up
In the hope of Your freedom

Our former ways are breaking
We seek Your face,
God let Your kingdom come
In our praises be lifted up


BRIDGE
With eyes on high we praise You
And with one voice we come together
Our one desire to praise You
And lift You up in our surrender

With eyes on high we praise You
And with one voice we come together
Our one desire to praise You
And lift You up ‘cause we are
#28749
Music and Video / Your Name High
September 14, 2010, 12:52:59 AM
#28750
Music and Video / Tell The World
September 14, 2010, 12:51:46 AM
#28751
Music and Video / Oceans Will Part
September 14, 2010, 12:50:27 AM
#28752
What a handsome voice. :)


branlorenzo - DSCN3261.mp4
#28753
Fr, dili kono klaro atong picture. LOL! Probably because the one taking the picture had it on video recorder mode. bwah ha ha ha!

branlorenzo - DSCN3263.mp4
#28754
Jokes and Humor / Re: Knock-Knock Jokes
September 13, 2010, 11:51:21 PM
Knock, Knock.
Who's there?
I love.
I love who?
I don't know, you tell me!


;D  ;)
#28755
Jokes and Humor / Re: Knock-Knock Jokes
September 13, 2010, 11:50:39 PM
Knock Knock
Who's there !
Cash !
Cash who ?
Cash me if you can !
#28756
Introduce Yourself / Re: Newbie, here.
September 13, 2010, 11:46:59 PM
Good Morning/ Good Evening, Gatmonton.

Welcome to Tubag Bohol Dot Com, our virtual payag and home away from home. We hope that you find your niche in here and help in making our web forum blossom to the best possible way. That said, come inside our home, and sit down. I will have your cup of coffee and a warm pandesal ready. Please, help yourself...

Again, welcome to Tubag Bohol Dot Com!



Lorenzo
#28757
Bible Study / Re: Daily Scriptural Verse
September 13, 2010, 11:43:42 PM
Delight In the Lord's Plan for you..


I delight to do thy will, O Lord, for I know Thy will for me is supreme good in my present and in my future.
- Psalms 40:8
#28758
hahaha, more to come.
I loved his singing jud.
#28759
General Topic / Re: Oh! My Kabaw!
September 13, 2010, 11:34:16 PM
Quote from: kan-ogong on September 13, 2010, 11:08:34 PM
Dia ko sa Reston bai pero ako work sa Ashburn VA. naa mas bukid ni ako oi kay puro kakahoyan daghan gud kaayo  usa sa kalsada samok ug mo agi ka oi looy man pod banggaan. layo ko sa Virginia Beach 4 hrs. involve ko sa project diha sa Piscataway Data Center sa NJ.Basin sa December sugdan namo ang Phase 2 sa project.mas rural man ang Va kay sa NJ karon pa gud ni sya na develop.mura man ug bohol dere. di ba mo adto ka sa Loboc in ana kalsada oi dere sa VA mao maka handum ko sa bohol.

Bai,

Na lipay ko sa imong mensahe kai naka anhi naman diay ka sa New Jersey. Ug naa ka diri sa New Jersey sa Enero 15, invited ka sa among Annual Valencianon-Association of the East Coast Fiesta para sa Senyor Santo Nino. Ahong ginikanan man mo host sa event; dali diri ha. Invited ka jud.
Palihog lang request sa directions kai daghan pood raba mo anhi, mag EB-EB ta kai taga east coast man pood diay ka. hehehe!

Sus, intawn, dugay na jud ko wa ka bisita dinha sa Virginia. Last time nag adto ko dinha was sa 2004 ba to. Ning stop by man gud mi sa VA Beach ug sa Williamsburg para sa mga bata (ahong mga gagmayng igsoon). hehe. Arang dako jamo ang Virgina State. Dako jud kaayo. Gamay man gud ning new jersey in comparison sa VA. Bitaw tinuod jud ka nga daghang wooded areas sa VA. As in Green kaajo dinha. Buutan baja ang mga Virginians.

Maka lingaw ilang mga Southern Accent. hehehe


Regards and God Bless!
#28760
Bible Study / Re: Daily Scriptural Verse
September 13, 2010, 11:23:27 PM
The Abundance that the Lord Will Give You..


    The Lord will guide you always, he will satisfy your needs in a
    sun-scorched land. You will be like a spring whose waters
    never fail.
- Isaiah 58:11
#28761
Bible Study / Re: Daily Scriptural Verse
September 13, 2010, 11:20:39 PM
Finding Joy In Works


"Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with all thy might."
- Ecclesiastes 9:10
#28762
Bible Study / Re: Daily Scriptural Verse
September 13, 2010, 11:18:42 PM
"The fruit of the spirit is love, joy and peace."
-Galatians 5:22
#28763
Bible Study / Re: Minute Meditations
September 13, 2010, 11:18:02 PM
Helping a brother,


when a brother comes to you and asks help, listen to his request , and help him to the best of your ability. It might be the same brother who will help you in your time of need.
#28764
Love Talk / Re: An Open Letter for an Unknown Man
September 13, 2010, 11:08:30 PM
Di ko ka decide!

Tanan na lang!

puahahahaha!  ;D  ;D
#28765
Love Talk / Re: An Open Letter for an Unknown Man
September 13, 2010, 11:03:20 PM
Quote from: Scarb on September 13, 2010, 11:00:34 PM
bwahaha ang schmokoys nahimo schokoys..hapit napod ma schakoy..!  ;D
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


puahahahahah!

Puydi ba si Isles ang reina sa mga schokoy ug schmokoy?
err, ug gusto pood ka, Ma'am Scarabissimo, i-include nato ang mga schakoy pood.


Agoy y agokoy,
#28766
Love Talk / Re: An Open Letter for an Unknown Man
September 13, 2010, 11:01:57 PM
Quote from: BolBuhol on September 13, 2010, 10:56:03 PM
ti liter man kaya ini, way man gid na damo gid riklamo bla, para man ini sa akon nene

Tuod ba, bol? Saan naman ang nene mo?

Pasensya indi ako kahibalo ilonggo, (nag estudiar pa ko gid) hehe.

Dyutay Lang... :)
#28767
Love Talk / Re: An Open Letter for an Unknown Man
September 13, 2010, 10:57:02 PM
Quote from: islander on September 13, 2010, 10:51:49 PM
maghuwat na lang ko sa imong iitsa nga salbabida aron naa koy makumbabitan.  meantime, this reina del schmokoys will say, "guten nacht" senor bran lorenzo.  even queens need to sleep ::).  it's 12 midnight here and, as they say, i have to watch out for when the clock strikes 12.  sanitary napkins might turn into pumpkins.  asows!

goodnight, tb. 


good night queen of schokoys. till we meet again, i shall be sitting by the dock watching the sunrise and sunset. sleep tight, good night.

Bran
#28768
Quotable Quotes / Re: Love Quote of the Day
September 13, 2010, 10:40:24 PM
Soul meets soul on lover's lips.
~ by Percy Bysshe Shelly ~
#28769
General Topic / Re: Oh! My Kabaw!
September 13, 2010, 10:38:53 PM
Quote from: kan-ogong on September 13, 2010, 10:32:16 PM
May Kabaw Song

May kabaw kong gi alimahan
Gipasilong sa landing sa kahoy
Gi abutan sa kabuntagon
Gi balhin ko sya intawon
KAMO NAY TIWAS



hahaha.

na lingaw ko da.
#28770
General Topic / Re: Oh! My Kabaw!
September 13, 2010, 10:37:14 PM
Quote from: kan-ogong on September 13, 2010, 10:22:28 PM
pinakalami jud ang kabaw. bisan sa ako mga igsoon mobisita ko sa bikol dad on dayon ko sa merkado kabaw dayon amo paliton. duaw ko sa ako igsoon sa ka ilokanohan palitan jud ko sa ako igsoon karni kabaw. dili na mawala ang karni sa kabaw sa mga ilokano. kada adlaw naa jud karni kabaw.pinaka lami ana bay kusahus nga kabaw. laway noon ko dah. lami ang karni sa kabaw kay walay baho kay naliligo man gud. kada adlaw tuna mao nga mo gawas na iyang init sa lawas hasta baho nya mogawas mao nga walay baho ang karni sa kabaw.pag pista sa amo sa Clarin di pwede wala karni kabaw kay ako mga parente sa Carmen kabaw man gud pangitaon. mao nga di pwede walay karning kabaw, asa na.naa bay karni sa kabaw diha sa NJ bai lorenz? wala man dere sa VA try ko ngita karninorte supermarket sa India kay naa man sila product na carabeef wala man ko makakita.

na gutum napood ko sa pagkabasa, bai. wa ko kahibalo nga mo kaon man diay ang mga ilokano sa karne de kabao. kahibalo na ko, salamat ha. aber, dili ko kahibalo nga naa ba karne sa kabao diri sa new jersey, ku an ra man diri nga classe nga karne: mga baka, baboy, deer, lamb, goat, ug naa pood karne sa bear ug turkey (naa man gud ko sa rural new jersey). hehe.

Asa dapit sa VA diay ka based, bai? Du-ol baka sa VA Beach? Arang daghang Pinoys dinha raba.


#28771
Love Talk / Re: An Open Letter for an Unknown Man
September 13, 2010, 10:31:24 PM
Salve!



EGO sum exspecto pro vestri persevero respondeo. EGO mos peto opus hodie. Commodo exsisto promptus perpetro ordo.
#28772
Love Talk / Re: An Open Love Letter To An Unknown Woman
September 13, 2010, 10:25:34 PM
Ut mulier quisnam ego mira in vicus vos crux crucis vicus sic velox? ego vos super per meus automobilix , ego eram sic vix ut vos erant iens ut exsisto ledo. gratias ago deditus ut meus vera erant in tutela...commodo , operor tutela.

Verum
A. Laurentius L.
#28773
Love Talk / Re: An Open Letter for an Unknown Man
September 13, 2010, 10:20:31 PM
Quote from: islander on September 13, 2010, 10:17:03 PM
hahaha!  dia, gikulinitan nag mga butete akong mga konggo kay nahinayak naman kog tampisaw. ;D


ajaw lang pag ambak, kai luuy pood lagi. ma mingaw intawn ang mga schmokoy nimo, ug imong mga daghang nga tokoy.


agoy,
#28774
Love Talk / Re: An Open Love Letter To An Unknown Woman
September 13, 2010, 10:18:45 PM
A una de las flores en el campo que crece antes del amor de dios, que lo quiere así pues, compartimos lo que nos dan, nosotros compartimos lo que nos dicen, porque el más alto nos decimos, y lo compartimos alegre.


Anonimo,
#28775
Eyeball / The Beauty of Sagbayan Peak, Bohol
September 13, 2010, 09:55:21 PM
Truly, there is no comparison to the the green beauty that is Bohol.


branlorenzo - DSCN3335.mp4
#28776
Love Talk / Re: An Open Love Letter To An Unknown Woman
September 13, 2010, 09:47:10 PM
Quote from: islander on September 13, 2010, 09:25:23 PM
dear unknown baby cakes,

may i share with you this nugget of wisdom that i've overheard---

jaycees   :  one a jaycee, always a jaycee.
lions club :  once a lion, always a lion.
k of c     :  once a night is enough.

moral lesson:  always, always choose a knight of columbus.

schon,

islander I
reina del schmokoys ;D



Mi Senora RDS,


Si siempre!

Usted es reina de muchas palabras, muchas caras, pero sobretodo, usted es la reina del ingenio. Yo venido adorar su ingenio, y respeto su cariño lindo para los perros.


Cariñosamente los suyos,
babycake anonimo
#28777
Quotable Quotes / Re: Quote For The Day
September 13, 2010, 09:42:43 PM
If we are ever in doubt about what to do, it is a good rule to ask ourselves what we shall wish on the morrow that we had done.

  ~John Lubbock
#28778
Quotable Quotes / Re: Quote For The Day
September 13, 2010, 09:40:47 PM
Quote from: cujo on September 13, 2010, 09:26:03 PM
If I take care of my character,my reputation will take care of itself.

                                                               D.L.Moody

love this one. :)
#28779
Quotable Quotes / Re: Love Quote of the Day
September 13, 2010, 09:40:11 PM
Quote from: cujo on September 13, 2010, 09:36:03 PM
After all,my erstwhile dear,
My no longer cherished,
Need we say it was no love,
Just because it perished?

                            Edna St. Vincent Millay

the hairs on my back rose upon reading that, Cujo. So sad...
#28780
The Handsome Singer from the 'Puppies'.

branlorenzo - DSCN3262.mp4

Yous truly trying to sing along.  :P
#28781
General Topic / Re: Oh! My Kabaw!
September 13, 2010, 09:31:14 PM
Quote from: st. agnes on September 13, 2010, 09:11:03 PM
@ Bro Bran Bran --- yes! count me in.. nextime u get back here foodtrip ta.. maayo ko ana... ahahaha
                                yes oist as always.. Im wearing the smily face all the time,
                                the secret of lookin young and young..   ahahaha

@ Sis Elsie, --- It's a scheduled EB in the near future then. Perhaps you can show me in around the area of Pilar and surrounding Lungsods there. How are your other friends si Svetlana and the rest of the 'old guards' of Tubag Bohol? Long time naman since I've heard updates from them.
See you soon, Pohon.

Please send my regards to husband as well, and your entire family. My regards to your sister!

God Bless you guys.


Love,
Bran
#28782
Quotable Quotes / Love Quote of the Day
September 13, 2010, 12:12:43 PM
..."hangtud ngadtu sa kina hangturan..."
#28783
Thank you Fr. for inviting me that evening.
Video will be posted of the songs sung.

:)
#28784
Eyeball / Re: Karaoke Fun In Valencia, Bohol
September 13, 2010, 11:55:37 AM
My Uncle Roger singing "Mibalik Ako"


branlorenzo - DSCN3126.mp4

#28785
Eyeball / Karaoke Fun In Valencia, Bohol
September 13, 2010, 11:51:43 AM
Singing and having fun in Valencia, Bohol.  :)
#28786
Tenebrae at the Cathedral Basilica of Saint Louis


    The name Tenebrae, meaning darkness or shadows, has for centuries been applied to early morning offices of Matins and Lauds of the last three days of Holy Week, which in the middle ages came to be celebrated on the preceding evenings. The most conspicuous feature of the service is the gradual extinguishing of candles and other lights in the church until only a single candle, considered a symbol of the Lord, remains. Toward the end of the services, this candle is hidden typifying the apparent victory of the forces of evil. At the very end, a strepitus ("loud noise") is made, symbolizing the earthquake at the time of the resurrection, the hidden candle is restored to its place, and by its light all depart in silence.

    This Tenebrae services is divided into two parts. The first part of the services is the moern Office of Readings (Matins) for Holy Thursday. Documents from the Second Vatican Council encourage the use of the Office of Readings and the other hours from the Liturgy of the Hours to be celebrated on the most solemn of days in the cathedral church.

    The second part makes use of the major elements from the ancient Office of Tenebrae arranged in devotional form. The Lamentations with their Hebrew alphabetical organization, Latin Responsories with their Gregorian melodies, the Benedictus from Lauds and the Lord's Prayer and Miserere which are softly spoken are all retained from the medieval liturgy.

















http://www.lifeisaprayer.com/articles/religion/tenebrae
#28788


















#28789
"But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light."

-1 Peter 2:9





THE WORD OF THE LORD.














#28790














#28791













#28792
Photos Unlimited / The 2010 Ordination Mass of New Priests
September 13, 2010, 08:51:29 AM
The Lord is Kind and Loving.
#28793
Photos Unlimited / Re: Most Sacred Heart Catholic Church
September 13, 2010, 08:50:31 AM
This parish church is located in Eureka, Missouri.
#28794
Photos Unlimited / Most Sacred Heart Catholic Church
September 13, 2010, 08:49:59 AM
The Tabernacle of the Lord...




The Immaculate Heart of Mary..














#28795
Winter 2007-2008,
Hiking


#28796
Winter of 2004,
I was a freshman in college.



#28797
Lust
can't wait;
it's impulsive.


Love
is patient.
#28798
Lust
is disrespectful
and thoughtless.



Love
is not rude.
#28799
Lust
takes to gain
its own end and
lacks concern
for others.



Love
always protects.
#28800
Love
never fails;
it's constant
and enduring.

Love
always trusts.



"Everybody's doing it"
does not mean
"I want to do it God's way."