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Such graceful stroke

Would you?

Ah, ah, ah.   

I'm speechless.

ooo bitaw Bai Bedo! Ka gwapo kaajo ning Bolanon da!
Buutan kaajo raba na sija, Bai Bedo...as in...
A very very Good Man.

Quote from: hofelina on October 04, 2010, 05:08:17 PM
St. Francis of Assisi
(1182-1226)


Francis of Assisi was a poor little man who astounded and inspired the Church by taking the gospel literallyâ€"not in a narrow fundamentalist sense, but by actually following all that Jesus said and did, joyfully, without limit and without a sense of self-importance.

Serious illness brought the young Francis to see the emptiness of his frolicking life as leader of Assisi's youth. Prayerâ€"lengthy and difficultâ€"led him to a self-emptying like that of Christ, climaxed by embracing a leper he met on the road. It symbolized his complete obedience to what he had heard in prayer: "Francis! Everything you have loved and desired in the flesh it is your duty to despise and hate, if you wish to know my will. And when you have begun this, all that now seems sweet and lovely to you will become intolerable and bitter, but all that you used to avoid will turn itself to great sweetness and exceeding joy."

From the cross in the neglected field-chapel of San Damiano, Christ told him, "Francis, go out and build up my house, for it is nearly falling down." Francis became the totally poor and humble workman.

He must have suspected a deeper meaning to "build up my house." But he would have been content to be for the rest of his life the poor "nothing" man actually putting brick on brick in abandoned chapels. He gave up all his possessions, piling even his clothes before his earthly father (who was demanding restitution for Francis' "gifts" to the poor) so that he would be totally free to say, "Our Father in heaven." He was, for a time, considered to be a religious fanatic, begging from door to door when he could not get money for his work, evokng sadness or disgust to the hearts of his former friends, ridicule from the unthinking.

But genuineness will tell. A few people began to realize that this man was actually trying to be Christian. He really believed what Jesus said: "Announce the kingdom! Possess no gold or silver or copper in your purses, no traveling bag, no sandals, no staff" (see Luke 9:1-3).

Francis' first rule for his followers was a collection of texts from the Gospels. He had no idea of founding an order, but once it began he protected it and accepted all the legal structures needed to support it. His devotion and loyalty to the Church were absolute and highly exemplary at a time when various movements of reform tended to break the Church's unity.

He was torn between a life devoted entirely to prayer and a life of active preaching of the Good News. He decided in favor of the latter, but always returned to solitude when he could. He wanted to be a missionary in Syria or in Africa, but was prevented by shipwreck and illness in both cases. He did try to convert the sultan of Egypt during the Fifth Crusade.

During the last years of his relatively short life (he died at 44), he was half blind and seriously ill. Two years before his death, he received the stigmata, the real and painful wounds of Christ in his hands, feet and side.

On his deathbed, he said over and over again the last addition to his Canticle of the Sun, "Be praised, O Lord, for our Sister Death." He sang Psalm 141, and at the end asked his superior to have his clothes removed when the last hour came and for permission to expire lying naked on the earth, in imitation of his Lord.


Comment:

Francis of Assisi was poor only that he might be Christ-like. He recognized creation as another manifestation of the beauty of God. In 1979, he was named aptron of ecology. He did great penance (apologizing to "Brother Body" later in life) that he might be totally disciplined for the will of God. His poverty had a sister, humility, by which he meant total dependence on the good God. But all this was, as it were, preliminary to the heart of his spirituality: living the gospel life, summed up in the charity of Jesus and perfectly expressed in the Eucharist.

Quote:

"We adore you and we bless you, Lord Jesus Christ, here and in all the churches which are in the whole world, because by your holy cross you have redeemed the world" (St. Francis).

Patron Saint of:

Animals
Ecology
Italy
Merchants

St. Francis of Assisi , Pray for us before the Throne of God.
So that we all shall be worthy of the promises of Christ...
Continue to teach us your wonderful words,

Lord, make me an instrument of your peace,
Where there is hatred, let me sow love;
where there is injury, pardon;
where there is doubt, faith;
where there is despair, hope;
where there is darkness, light;
where there is sadness, joy;

O Divine Master, grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to console;
to be understood as to understand;
to be loved as to love.

For it is in giving that we receive;
it is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
and it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.


Pray for us, St. Francis of Assisi..

Amen, Manay.

Even when times are hard, always count on the Eucharist to strengthen us again..

hahaha , Bedo, lipay kaajo si Father Lungay sa picture no? I must say, it was a beautiful day...

Beautiful Day, jud.

Rhetorical question:


A convicted serial killer was found guilty of killing 12 people was sentenced to life imprisonment. A mother of 3 children speaks out of disgust and says, "That disgusting murderous scum! He deserves to rot in jail!", would it be idealistic if we were to say to the mother, "Don't say that, you self righteous lady, don't be judgmental!" ?

Quote from: islander on October 06, 2010, 12:49:06 PM
kun moingon ko nga "kini gyod si celdran, arang guwapoha...", judgmental ba gihapon ko?  kun moingon ko nga "kini gyod si celdran, batiag nawong...", judgmental ba pod?  this word must be used sparingly then, because if one says something positive or agrees with another person, it looks like one is far from being judgmental even if the process is the same, that is, giving an opinion plain and simple.  if it's the other way around... uh-huh...

anyways, i hope you never run out of energy in your defense of catholicism.  we're reading.

Indeed. I guess it goes in line with what they say, nothing is ever good enough / or bad enough for certain individuals.
Bah, the ludicrous notion that we are Judging Celdran. Celdran was already Judged. Judged by his violation of A Philippine Law.
And when in the Republic of the Philippines, all people (Filipino citizens, foreigners alike) must bow before the Law of the Land.
Just as how American Law requires Citizens and foreign visitors to respect and adhere to the Law of the land.

The issue here, which is rather interesting, is not that Celdran's constitutional right were violated, Nay!
This is the beauty of how Constitutional Rights apply only to a certain degree--until the one expressing violates the rights of others.

Celdran disagreed with The Catholic Church's stance on the RH Bill. Fine. Join the rest.
However, the way he carried his opposition to Church stance is what found him--in Jail.
By marching inside a Church service, when hundreds of faithful are observing mass, in order just to make a political point, that itself is already deemed a publicity stunt. I dare say this because it is. The man came into church dressed up as Jose Rizal yelling 'DAMASO' (a controversial Catholic priest in Jose Rizal's work) to attract attention and even when he was peacfully escorted out, was shouting vulgarities at the faithful.
This is already deemed as verbal harassment, to the parishoners present, to the priests.

Had he done this in a Protestant Church, Mormon Temple, Muslim Mosque, Jewish Temple, he would have been arrested as well.

His actions, the way he carried out his actions, is what is being talked about. Not his political agenda.

To the Topic:
An interesting blog article that I want to share with the rest of Tubag Bohol Dot Com,




So, Carlos Celdran of the Intramuros walking tour fame is in jail. Wearing a Jose Rizal costume, he walked up to the church altar during a mass holding a placard that says, “Damaso.” The message is clear. He is calling the Catholic clergy tyrants for its anti-reproductive health bill stance.

I agree with Celdran’s message. It’s been my message for the longest time â€" the Catholic Church should stop meddling in State affairs. The actuations of the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippine (CBCP) are an even bigger sore as far as I’m concerned.

Sure, Celdran has stirred enough controversy especially with his arrest. The theatrical protest will be talked about for years and, hopefully, will generate enough interest for people to talk about the real issue behind the protest.

But does the end justify the means? I’ve been asked why I’m not supporting the Free Carlos Celdran movement. I can’t. He’s not in jail because of his message â€" he’s in jail because of the method by which he chose to deliver his message. And he admits that.

Let’s be very clear about one thing. He’s not in jail because his right to free expression is being suppressed. A lot of stupid comments on the internet are making it out as though Celdran is being prevented from saying his piece. Hell, no. He’s in jail because of his method â€" he disrupted an effing mass. And I find that so doggone unnecessary.

It’s so high school. It’s so juvenile. And even as a form of political protest, it is so divisive because instead of getting the “faithful” to discuss the real issue, they’re just going to be turned off with the methodology.

    Art. 133. Offending the religious feelings. â€" The penalty of arresto mayor in its maximum period to prision correccional in its minimum period shall be imposed upon anyone who, in a place devoted to religious worship or during the celebration of any religious ceremony shall perform acts notoriously offensive to the feelings of the faithful.

That legal provision applies to any religion. It is there to support the Constitutional right to the free exercise of religion.

http://houseonahill.net/carlos-celdran-machiavellian-no-doubt/

Quote from: islander on October 06, 2010, 12:37:33 PM
whaaaaaaaaa pa gyod.   (naunsa na man ni.   kini gyod si celdran...)

Ajaw pag ingon ana, Isles, ma ingnan ka nga nag judgmental ka.

Quote from: JellyBean on October 06, 2010, 12:14:01 PM


I do not think you me or my neighbor is a judge and someone in here needs to get off their high horse and stop contradicting others in what they say as if they are on a righteous trip!

No one is riding a horse, rather, we walk on our own two feet and speak the truth.

1. Celdran was found guilty of violating Article 133 of the Revised Penal Code of the Republic of the Philippines
2. Celdran disturbed a Roman Catholic Mass with hundreds of celebrants attending, in order to lambast the Church.
3. He violated a law, and hence, the people have the right to show disdain and complaint. Just as those who are caught stealing, killing, and maligning (libelous) are prosecuted, must be held accountable for their actions before a court of law and the People.

4. You came in accusing and judging the Catholic Practice of Child baptism and calling it unbiblical, which is totally unsupported since there was a biblical verse that I gave you to answer your qualms
5. You came in here accusing and judging the notion of Mother Mary being unbiblical and directly attacked the faith of many Filipinos and People around the world.
6. You yourself are acting like a judge; so before you claim others being judgmental, look at your own actions. That, Priscilla, is an act of Hypocrisy.


Truly,
Lorenzo

Quote from: JellyBean on October 06, 2010, 12:14:01 PM
What exactly do you mean?

Your judging others?

Is it not said in the bible that God will be the one to judge and decide on the final day.

I do not think you me or my neighbor is a judge and someone in here needs to get off their high horse and stop contradicting others in what they say as if they are on a righteous trip!

No, Priscilla, not judging. Merely saddened by his manner of actions that have disturbed many in that mass because of his lack of respect. His action was politically motivated {And possibly a publicity stunt}, and doing so in a house of worship is , in my point of view, unacceptable and disrespectful.

Would it not be similar if a protester came inside a Mormon Temple and shouted in protest because of the Mormon situation of polygamy in Utah, United States? The same concept applies...

No one is judging anyone, merely sharing our views on the way he handled this unfortunate event...

Indeed, no one has the right to judge, you yourself have no right to judge Catholic Tradition and our belief systems. And the judging of 'Philippine persons' because it may not liken to what you would have them.

Before you share a criticism, take a dose of your medicine at times.

Quote from: bol-anon quo nyur! on October 06, 2010, 05:22:28 AM
Dong Loren'z, duda koh ang ilang gikanta anih is "WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS" New Orleans SAINT'S

hehehe mao bitaw no? Nag feel nako ang ilang jive 

Oy...looy pood si lola.

Spoon Full of sugar - Mary poppins

Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious Sing Along

I love this scene..


The King And I (1956) - "Shall We Dance" Sequence

Beautiful...

Julie Andrews - Getting to know you

He stands alone because of his purist libertarian beliefs! I ascribe to his beliefs! Oh Dr. Paul, we support you..

Magnificent.

unchained melody orchestra HD

If your eyes could sing, it would be more refined than Carlisle Floyd's Cold Sassy Tree
There is such warmth ,
There is such strength ,
There is such repose ,
There is such captivating ,
In your bright brown eyes.

Quote from: www.tubagbohol.com on October 05, 2010, 04:55:53 PM
Australian behavioral scientists on Tuesday ruled out the theory that happiness is linked solely to genetics, in a study viewed as a breakthrough in psychological research.

The results of a 25-year study on 60,000 Germans showed long-term happiness is determined by lifestyle decisions including choice of partner, employment and religion.

According to ABC News, study leader and Associate Professor at the University of Melbourne of Australia, Bruce Headey, said the study turns the long-term notion of happiness being linked to personality on its head.

"Happiness isn't just a matter of heredity, it isn't just in the genes," he said.

"Genes might be about 50 percent of the story but the rest depends on lifestyle choices - choices relating to your partner and also relating to your work life."

The study will be published in the official journal of the United States National Academy of Sciences, and is based on data from the German Socio-Economic Panel, conducted by scientists partly from Australia.

It analyzed responses from a national representative sample of people aged 16 and over who answered questions every year from 1984 to 2008.

On relationships, the findings reveal that individuals with neurotic partners are significantly less happy than those with more emotionally stable partners.

"People who select or happen to be selected by partners with relatively benign personalities, with low levels of neuroticism, and who are reasonably extroverted and outgoing, they tend to be happier than average, and happier than they would just on the basis of their own personality traits," Professor Headey told ABC News.

The study discovered people who prioritized their relationship with their partner and children were happier than those were interested in career or material success, as were those with altruistic goals such as helping people or being involved in social or political activities.

Working shorter hours did not necessarily lead to happiness, but working a lot more or less than they wanted made people very unhappy.

"Other things that matter are social activities, getting involved in social and community things with friends in an active kind of way," Professor Headey said.

He said a link between religion and happiness is also evident.

"Religion seems to work for people - people who regularly attended church or mosque were a bit happier on average than people who were non-religious or non-attenders," he said.

"So having some kind of belief system that gives you a sense of meaning or purpose is important for happiness."

Professor Headey said the findings are the first of their kind on such a large scale.

"In terms of what we research in terms of this empirical work on the determinants of life's satisfaction it is I think something of a breakthrough," he said.

"People want to be happy, they want to know what they can do to make a difference and this gives some indication of the kinds of choices that matter.

"So we don't have to be stuck with the idea that happiness is set, like disease or height or genes." (PNA/Xinhua)

Hmm interesting.

Isn't it interesting how we all aspire to attain that simple yet absolute state of mind: To Be Happy...

Ah..

and said to him, "Every man serves the good wine first, and when the people have drunk freely, then he serves the poorer wine; but you have kept the good wine until now."

-John 2:10

“Wine is constant proof that God loves us and loves to see us happy.”

-Benjamin Franklin

Quote from: hubag bohol on October 06, 2010, 10:44:41 AM
Mantinil lang kog tuba...

haha sige! inom pood ko ha?

wait lang, Toy, mo adto ko sa Dauis Bee Farm, mo inom ta ug Honey-flavored Bahalina.


kani ba.

Looking at this picture, I cant help but smirk. He wears a top hat quite similar to media's portrayal of what Rizal wore and a black coat. He came into a church and disturbed worship not because of his opposition to Catholic antagonism towards the RH bill, nay, he did this for his own personal glory.
Yes, you sure did get your minute of 'fame', Celdran, whatever fame a jail cell gives you.

So now he can bloat in his tours that he 'protested' against the Catholic Church. lol.

Pathetic.   

Quote from: ben on October 06, 2010, 10:29:22 AM
And Martin Luther had very different ideas!  But we'd better keep quiet about that for fear of offending Lutherans

hehehe. His ideas were removing over 7 Books from the Bible, not surprisingly how these 7 books supported Ecclesia Catholica on teachings of the Sacraments and Sacred Tradition.

Like all things, we want to read the real thing right? When reading a formal document, we would prefer the complete form rather than the cut , incomplete form right? Martin Luther did exactly just that---Cutting.

The Protestant Bible is the incomplete form; it lacks 7 books that are included in the Roman Catholic Holy Bible [the Unadulterated Original]

Quote from: islander on October 06, 2010, 10:31:52 AM
that is why i'm beginning to feel strange about this thread.  what has celdran got to do with the inquisition?  let me hazard a guess:  celdran is right to oppose the catholic church's stand against the rh bill because of the inquisition.  agoizt, to follow the expression of scarbzy migs and her quaint language.

i can't help but liken the current catholic church now to someone who is hanged for theft just because his great, great, great, greatgrandfather stole a cow.

hehe, very interesting point Isles.

I also had a very lively discussion with a good friend of mine on his opposition to Catholic theology (which quite interestingly goes in line with Ben's request, since my friend was a Lutheran). The topic(s) that we touched upon were on the Catholic notion of sacred tradition, and his analysis, his points were mostly biblical passages. What amazed me was that he actually had the false idea that Catholics don't read the bible and was rather interested when I told him that it was the Roman Catholic Church that formally compiled, and ratified the Holy Bible at the convening of the Council of Trent.

The Great Reformation happened for a reason, not to mention the many Ecumenical Councils that have been convened through the centuries.

Quote from: islander on October 06, 2010, 10:16:55 AM
right on, mr ben.  faith isn't faith if everything that one believes in can be supported by human reason.  by itself, human reason can't take in everything to begin with. 

if i knew the reason for everything, of what use then is going on with life when it shall have been reduced to humdrumness, devoid of mysteries and the excitement that such mysteries bring?  i shall have been reduced to a mere lamppost, watching the world go by because there is nothing more to discover, nothing to look forward to.     

i believe that magellan landed in the philippines.  i wasn't there.  i know that the himalayas exist.  i was never there.  i know there are two filipinos working in a laboratory in antartica.  i never met them.  i know all of you here in tb are alive and well.  do i have to meet you all for an eb to believe that you are all real?

such is faith, and the greatest mystery of it all is my faith in my merciful creator, no matter what form my worship of him takes.

my own blind faith:  if it does good at what my reason tells me is good, it must be good.

Quote from: ben on October 06, 2010, 09:09:35 AM
Arguing like this about religion is pointless.  It's highly unlikely that anyone with a strong investment in their beliefs will ever change their position since faith trumps reason.

  Five theses about faith and reason


   1. There can be no genuine conflict between the deliverances of faith and the deliverances of reason (vs. both enlightenment rationalism (or modernism)), which separates reason from faith and gives exclusive preference to reason, and anti-secularism (or fideism), which separates reason from faith and gives exclusive preference to faith).

   2.   Apparent conflicts are in principle resolvable by us, though this demands that we get very clear about just what the deliverances of faith are and just what the deliverances of reason are. (Side note: with regard to the mysteries, we can at least show by natural reason that they are not self-contradictory or intrinsically incoherent--this is the burden of book 4 of the Summa Contra Gentiles.)

   3.   Philosophical or scientific objections to the faith can and should be answered on their own terms--this is an important task for Christian intellectuals (vs. anti-secularist tendencies).

   4.   Reason, while not so corrupted by sin that on its own it yields falsehoods as certitudes, nonethess needs the guidance of faith to do its best (vs. rationalist tendencies).

   5.   Philosophical reason is an important tool in spreading and maintaining the faith.
   

   -St. Thomas Aquinas

Quote from: hubag bohol on October 06, 2010, 09:59:08 AM
He he, thanks, Lorenzo. The soul, like the liver, has so far withstood the ravages of love in the time of cholera...   

ay ay ay, see the power of such figurative language! They say kono that it is in loneliness that we can think and contemplate the deepness of the heart...

Quote from: bisdakangdako on October 06, 2010, 09:56:47 AM

LOL. argh!! Hey, I like Dr. Paul!   

Quote from: Vito Andoline on October 05, 2010, 09:21:23 PM
sugod na..

hehe.

-3 in high school.
-4 in college (1 was serious, the other 3 were casual)

I also dated openly in college; there was a time in college when I was seeing 3 women at the same time. 

Quote from: bisdakangdako on October 06, 2010, 09:25:48 AM
kani homemade jud nga binangkal...naay mga liki ani pero gipangkob ug botang para dli halata.

Delish... 

There, there, Toy, don't be lonely, be glad. There is beauty in the quiet silence that encompasses the soul as we enjoy a glass of Pinot Noir alone...

Cheers, to a healthy mind...

Quote from: Mike Ortega Ligalig on September 17, 2007, 10:12:36 PM
Different Culture, Different Reaction
By Jes B. Tirol
Columnist
The Bohol Chronicle

Proem

Culture is defined as the sum total of the ways of living built up by a group of human beings, which is transmitted from one generation to another.

History tells us that the culture of the Filipinos is composed of the pre-Spanish Southeast Asian ways, the Spanish culture, and the American culture.

The Japanese have built up their own culture and assimilated the culture of East Asia.  The Japanese monarchy is the longest dynasty in the world today.  Only one family has occupied the Japanese throne for almost two thousand years now and the monarchy became the unifying force of Japanese culture.

Similar Situation but Different Reaction

Last Wednesday, September 12, 2007, the Sandigan Bayan pronounced Ex-President Joseph Estrada as guilty of the crime of plunder. Coincidentally, in Japan, Prime Minister Shinzo Abe announced his resignation in order to take responsibility for a scandal-scarred government.

In the Philippines, no President has ever resigned to take responsibility of the scandal in the government.  In Japan, any slight hint of scandal can cause the Prime Minister to resign.  Sometimes they even commit suicide or “seppuku” as an honorable way of erasing one’s shame.  In the Philippines, the President will stay on as if a scandal of humongous proportion is not important.  The question is, why is our reaction different from the Japanese, the British, the Europeans, etc. who will resign?
Is It Religion?

The Philippines is one of the two Christian countries in Asia (The other is East Timor).  Our religion follows the Muslim-Christian tradition.  In these religions, martyrdom is a virtue.  The maxim “No retreat, no surrender” is a desired trait.  If you surrender or give up the cause, then you are viewed as a traitor.

The Japanese has the Shinto and Zen Buddhism.  These religions have no concept of God.  Its equivalence of God is nature and the Universal Intelligence.  The greatest emphasis is in ethics.  You must behave honorably or else your next life will become miserable.  In the culture that they developed, accepting responsibility for the failure of subordinates is viewed as honorable and a way of manifesting that the leader is sinless.

The Filipinos have a different view.  If the leader accepts responsibility of the failure of subordinates, then the leader himself is also guilty.  So the “honorable” way is to fight it out to protect your subordinates.

The last line of our national anthem emphasizes it by saying “Ang mamatay ng dahil sa iyo (To die because of you).”  It is a distorted interpretation of what Jesus Christ said, “No man has greater love than this, that he gave his life for his fellowmen.”

Is It the Spanish Influence?

During Spanish times, the Governor General will face the “Residencia” at the end of his term.  It was a kind of court to be headed by the incoming Governor General to investigate the out-going Governor General for corruptions and other misdeeds done during his incumbency.

The result was not a clean government but a more corrupt government.  The Governor General would steal more in order that he will have money to bribe the judges, pay the penalties, and still have some money left for himself.

Given the present situation in the Philippines, it is more probable that this Spanish influence is what is being followed in the Philippine culture.  The ex-President has already been sentenced as guilty of the crime of plunder but the present government is still wrack with scandals involving money of gargantuan proportion.

What do you think will be the purpose of the huge ill-gotten wealth?  For sure they would not bring it with them to the grave or to whatever place in the afterlife.

Dr. J. Tirol,

You have a good point. One would surmise that yes, indeed, the Spanish left their cultural imprint in Philippine society.
Both positive and negative.

I do enjoy reading your articles, Dr. Tirol.


Best,
Bran Lorenzo

Quote from: chicogon on October 06, 2010, 03:25:28 AM

St. Genevieve Gospel Choir


Commemorative Cake at the reception

Hehehehe kuyawa kaajo oy! The cake and the gospel choir! What songs did they sing diay, Father?

Quote from: chicogon on October 06, 2010, 03:16:32 AM
Here are a few pics of the said event...

 

I love it!

Beautiful! Father, can you also show us a view of the interior of your parish? Thanks, Father Lungay.

Quote from: vrglguapo on October 06, 2010, 12:24:13 AM
Mao jud tinood na..but now when i go to mass i cant help wondering what the priest are saying..is true to what he is doing..only God knows..

Only God Knows. Yes, you are correct.

When I serve with a priest in mass, and dispense the Eucharist, it is through reverence to the priest. This man, who has chosen to give up his life, to sacrifice his physical Fatherhood for that of Spiritual Fatherhood.

The Priest is a man of holiness, rooted in the calling to serve the Altar of God, to raise the prayers of the faithful to the Holy Throne of God in Heaven.

These holy men, the priests of the Catholic Church are there for us during our baptism, during our times of lament when we loose a friend, a family member, are there to celebrate with us the birth and baptism of our children and grandchildren, and are there to offer us last rites on the hour of our death...

And are there for us to offer our soul to God during our funeral rites. And prays for the families who are bereaved. This alone, brother, is worth all the treasures of the earth thousands of times over.

Instead of attacking our priests and being negative to them for the cases of transgressions, we should pray for them. Pray for them when they are lonely, pray for them when they are tempted to sin, pray for them when their are burdened with the nature of human life and performing the sacred duty of Divine Praises...

I pray for them, who have sacrificed their own bodies , their life, for a life with Christ.
Their duties, brother, are to pray for us...and be there for us when we need them.

As any of us laymen who falter in times , so too do our priests.


Amen!

Quote from: vrglguapo on October 06, 2010, 12:04:17 AM
I SAY THIS IS A VERY UNFAIR PRACTICES IN THE NAME OF JUSTICE...WHAT CELDRAN DID WAS NOTHING COMPARE TO THIS PEOPLE..BY SAYING MASS EVERY SUNDAY THEY ARE NOT ONLY DESECRATED THE ALTAR OF GOD..THEY ARE MUCH WORSE..LIARS AND HYPOCRITE..    ANG USA KA PRIEST NAABUT PA JUD SA CALAPE,bOHOL...

One priest does not represent all the priests in The Holy Roman Catholic Church.
Sorry, the minority does not represent the majority.

We are sympathetic for any cases of abuses in some parishes, and we pray for God's Grace to go to those who are hurt.
But I will stress that just because some sheep go astray, this does not constitute or represent the flock that walk solemnly in Christ.

AMEN!

The Apostle Paul (formerly known as Saul) was at first an enemy of Christianity and the Christian faith. He was the head of the judiciary that actively hunted down and killed Christians; his involvement in the death of St. Stephen (the martyr) was potently true.

Saul (the former name of Paul) was a Pharisee, and was a sinner, however, his sinful nature was perfected when he saw The Christ.
Seeing Christ for the first time relegated his former life. He then became known as Paul, and was the last apostle.

Paul teaches us, through his writings in the bible and through his own life that Sinful Man is made anew in Christ Jesus.
It was St. Paul that went to Rome and facilitated the conversion of the pagan Romans to the Christian Faith.
With Paul and St. Peter, Rome became Christian.
The foundation of the Roman Catholic Church in the teachings of these men, Peter (Petros) being the rock upon the Church was built.

Paul's own life is a message for all.

What can I say? As a layman and as a Knight of Columbus, all I can say is that the transgressions of some priests do not speak for the whole flock.
Abuses (sexual, physical, psychological) is not something that is attributed to Catholic religious life, in fact, there are many rampant cases of sexual abuse cases involving Protestant ministers, Muslim Imams, as well as other religious institutions. Abuse, in its facets, is a form of human psychological terror that is rooted in the person's inability to control their actions or due to a deviation moral cognition. Abuse cases are rampant in the non-religious life, mothers abusing their children, fathers abusing their children, wives and husbands abusing each other etc. This is a human psychological deficiency that is due in part to a personal deviation in moral cognition, or an anatomical pathology in the limbic system (which controls sexuality). Thus, this problem is not a church-problem, in the absolute sense, but is a deeply anatomical, human, pathology.

The Church, as a religious and faith institution dispenses the Word of God, and Truth. It's policy in the faith life is paramount.
And these anti-Catholic media propaganda needs to focus and address the issue being a personal case basis.

Just as how some protestant ministers that sexually abuse members of the faith do not represent the mores and ethos of that particular protestant denomination, the same applies for some cases of Catholic Priests who have fallen from grace.

Romans 3:23, Virgil, states, "For All have fallen from the Glory of God..."

We are all, afterall, man, and thus are tempted to sin and transgress. But it is through Grace...that we are perfected.
I myself am a sinner with iniquities that God has forgiven me of, the same goes for you, Virgil, and all Man-kind. We are all sinners.
From the farmer, to the doctor, to the politician, to the protestant minister, to the catholic priest, and even to His Holiness the Pope.
We are all man. We are all tempted to sin. However, the central dogma of Catholic Teaching is this: That Grace From God Alone, can make Perfect what is Imperfect.

By The Almighty Father's Divine Grace...


Peace!!!!

Quote from: Scarb on October 05, 2010, 05:11:06 PM
Your sarcasmus about wearing different color and plastic bottle thingy..suck§..bettah swallow it urself  

Using water and salt only symbolize how Jesus being baptized..is a sort of ritual..
How we submerged(ur term) unto our hearts the meaning of BAPTISM..,datz what count§

Wheres ur logic? bitte schön..



Before you question, try to iron first TBN and Charity org. issue  
 Doncha jump from one stream to another without knowing where it leads..!  

Or,

Before you criticize what is wrong in your neighbor's house, one must care to make sure that his own house is in good shape.

Quote from: vrglguapo on October 05, 2010, 11:13:41 PM
Its not only Roman Catholic religion teaches the beauty and the truth..If you are familiar with the INQUISITION IN EUROPE then you should not be so one sided...The Lord Jesus was not born as a Catholic,he was born as a jew that's why Jews have a special place on his hearts .They are called chosen people of God..

The Inquisition was a Roman Catholic tribunal for discovery and punishment of heresy, which was marked by the severity of questioning and punishment and lack of rights afforded to the accused.

While many people associate the Inquisition with Spain and Portugal, it was actually instituted by Pope Innocent III (1198-1216) in Rome. A later pope, Pope Gregory IX established the Inquisition, in 1233, to combat the heresy of the Abilgenses, a religious sect in France. By 1255, the Inquisition was in full gear throughout Central and Western Europe; although it was never instituted in England or Scandinavia.

Initially a tribunal would open at a location and an edict of grace would be published calling upon those who are conscious of heresy to confess; after a period of grace, the tribunal officers could make accusations. Those accused of heresy were sentenced at an auto de fe, Act of Faith. Clergyman would sit at the proceedings and would deliver the punishments. Punishments included confinement to dungeons, physical abuse and torture. Those who reconciled with the church were still punished and many had their property confiscated, as well as were banished from public life. Those who never confessed were burned at the stake without strangulation; those who did confess were strangled first. During the 16th and 17th centuries, attendance at auto de fe reached as high as the attendance at bullfights.

In the beginning, the Inquisition dealt only with Christian heretics and did not interfere with the affairs of Jews. However, disputes about Maimonides’ books (which addressed the synthesis of Judaism and other cultures) provided a pretext for harassing Jews and, in 1242, the Inquisition condemned the Talmud and burned thousands of volumes. In 1288, the first mass burning of Jews on the stake took place in France.

In 1481 the Inquisition started in Spain and ultimately surpassed the medieval Inquisition, in both scope and intensity. Conversos (Secret Jews) and New Christians were targeted because of their close relations to the Jewish community, many of whom were Jews in all but their name. Fear of Jewish influence led Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand to write a petition to the Pope asking permission to start an Inquisition in Spain. In 1483 Tomas de Torquemada became the inquisitor-general for most of Spain, he set tribunals in many cities. Also heading the Inquisition in Spain were two Dominican monks, Miguel de Morillo and Juan de San Martin.

First, they arrested Conversos and notable figures in Seville; in Seville more than 700 Conversos were burned at the stake and 5,000 repented. Tribunals were also opened in Aragon, Catalonia and Valencia. An Inquisition Tribunal was set up in Ciudad Real, where 100 Conversos were condemned, and it was moved to Toledo in 1485. Between 1486-1492, 25 auto de fes were held in Toledo, 467 people were burned at the stake and others were imprisoned. The Inquisition finally made its way to Barcelona, where it was resisted at first because of the important place of Spanish Conversos in the economy and society.

More than 13,000 Conversos were put on trial during the first 12 years of the Spanish Inquisition. Hoping to eliminate ties between the Jewish community and Conversos, the Jews of Spain were expelled in 1492..

The next phase of the Inquisition began around 1531, when Pope Leo X extended the Inquisition to Portugal. Thousands of Jews came to Portugal after the 1492 expulsion. A Spanish style Inquisition was constituted and tribunals were set up in Lisbon and other cities. Among the Jews who died at the hands of the Inquisition were well-known figures of the period such as Isaac de Castro Tartas, Antonio Serrao de Castro and Antonio Jose da Silva. The Inquisition never stopped in Spain and continued until the late 18th century.

By the second half of the 18th century, the Inquisition abated, due to the spread of enlightened ideas and lack of resources. The last auto de fe in Portugal took place on October 27, 1765. Not until 1808, during the brief reign of Joseph Bonaparte, was the Inquisition abolished in Spain. An estimated 31,912 heretics were burned at the stake, 17,659 were burned in effigy and 291,450 made reconciliations in the Spanish Inquisition. In Portugal, about 40,000 cases were tried, although only 1,800 were burned, the rest made penance.

The Inquisition was not limited to Europe; it also spread to Spanish and Portugese colonies in the New World and Asia. Many Jews and Conversos fled from Portugal and Spain to the New World seeking greater security and economic opportunities. Branches of the Portugese Inquisition were set up in Goa and Brazil. Spanish tribunals and auto de fes were set up in Mexico, the Philippine Islands, Guatemala, Peru, New Granada and the Canary Islands. By the late 18th century, most of these were dissolved.
Also see Auto de fe

The past is the past, that is why the Great Reformation manifested in the Roman Catholic Church. To address the ecumenical and ecclesiastic methods in dispensing the Truth and Word of God amongst the kingdoms and princedoms in Europe at the time.

Your understanding of the Spanish Inquisition needs to be enlightened, Virgil, it was a policy specifically in the Spanish Kingdom during the 16th century, during the Spanish Reconquista Period. It was when Spain reconquored most of former Moorish lands in present Southern Spain, which had a considerable muslim and jewish population. The Spanish Monarchy favored and requested an inquisition to force the muslims in present day Andalucia, Spain, to convert to Christianity or be removed. This was a bloody history for Spaniards, and was a policy that was enacted by the sheer militant nature between the Christian Spaniards and the Muslim Moors at the time. You have to understand that the two powers were at war with each other for over 2 centuries. The Spanish Monarchy requested the aid of the Catholic Church to quell any heresy in its newly conquered regions.

These unfortunate incidents and other transgressions were addressed during the convening of the Catholic Great Reformation.

Incidentally, the late Pope John Paul in 2000 made an unprecedented apology for Church's involvement in the Spanish Inquisition.

Quote from: JellyBean on October 05, 2010, 02:47:52 AM
Fact today is LDS if they are caught now a days with having more than one wife at a time it is curtains to that member. It has been sometime now that it has been outlawed in that faith.

Could you please present to this forum some paperwork and documented proofs on all this stuff that the Catholic church is helping with here in Philippines or Bohol?



Something about those mama Mary statues and other Catholic statues sort of spooks me when I see them and especially when they are moving them in a parade...

Other tell me the same thing....

Its okay tattoo up your body pierce it with a million holes and poison it with alcohol and addictive caffeine drinks...after all it was how God made us born in how to respect our bodies like a good castle...

I know what the bible says about that but it is known to have been twisted and translated at the same time...

Yours is a criticism of our Sacred Tradition and adoration of Sacred Scripture.

I will not even respond accordingly by criticizing what I find wrong in Mormonism.

I will only respond with a parable:

One day there was a mother hen who laid 7 eggs,
all of the eggs hatched and 7 chicklets chirped.
As a mother, the hen fed all of them, until the Chicklets became larger.
Of the 7 chicklets, 3 left the mother hen's nest.
And when they grew larger, the 3 that left began to walk away from each other.

Till a year later, the same mother hen was caring for her new chicklets,
one former chicklet (now much bigger) came and tried to criticize the
mother hen how to properly feed the chicklet.

The mother hen responded quietly,
"Ajaw pag saba dinha, bata, ako intawn imong inahan.
Ug wa pa ko, patay na ka. Buhi ka karon kai gi tagaan ka nako ug kanonon."

Quote from: chriswise on October 05, 2010, 06:05:35 PM
Itong yong baptism na sinabi nag LORD before he go heaven.....
meron kasi nag sabi na sa jordan river puedi,,,,,,,di tayo makapunta doon ang layo,,,

Matthew 28:19
19 “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,

Hehehe guapo kaayo ning bersikolo, Chris!

(my attempt at tagalog: Magandang at manganda yong verse, kapatid!)

Quote from: vhinz08 on October 05, 2010, 04:56:16 PM
Any religious organization are exempted from paying tax not only the catholic church brod.


Sakto ang imong gi ingon brod BNC nga daghan ug requisitos ang simbahan karon.
Usa man pod ako ka sakristan sud sa pipila lang ka  tuig namatngunan pod nako na grabe na kaayo ang kahilayan karon nga gikabisihan sa mga tao kompara sa una.

Ngano man nga gi himo man ning requirements sa simbahan, lisod ba kining buhaton isip usa ka kristyano?
Ngano man?    Ang kahilayan sa atong kumunidad mao ang nakapahilayo sa  mga tao diha sa simbahan dili parehas kaniadtong unang panahon nga pipila lang kanato ang nay TV, wala pay mga internet sa una nga gikabisihan karon sa mga kabataan, mga hamtong ug dili lang sila pati na ang mga idaran mi apil napod niini, ug dili lang kay kini anaa pay lain gawas niini.
Busa, gihimo kini isip usa sa mga gikinahanglan aron maaktibo ang mga membro dili lang sa pagka ngalang katoliko kon dili usab diha sa buhat pinaagi sa pag-apil sa mga aktibidades diha sa simbahan, nga gipakaylap  diha sa GKK diha sa atong tagsa-tagsa nga kapilya.  Ug tungod niini kini nagpamatuod ug nagpaila nga ikaw aktibong kristyano, ug kung ikaw anaa niini dili lisod ang pagpangayo ug certification sa PSK (Pangulo Sa Katilingban) Leader kay ikaw nailhan man pinaagi sa imong pag-apil niini.

Unsa man ang mga aktibidades diha sa kapilya?
Isa na niini ang kasaulogan sa pulong sa matag sabado, or any activities nga gipahigayon diha sa simbahan pinaagi sa GKK.


Naay kapilya namo diri perting mingawa kung magkasaulugan na sa pulong inig abot  sa Sabado sa gabii, mabuak na lang ang bagtinganan sa kapilya pipila lang ang manumbaling, maihap lang nimo ang mga nangapil. Pero kung imong hunahunaon mas taas pa ang oras nila diha sa pagtan-aw sa TV  sa mga teleserye, nga ginasubaybayan kada gabii.  
Kalooy intawon sa kapilya maihap lang ang nanabat sa novena inig hapit na ang pesta, pero kung adtoon nimo ang basketbolan nga nagpaliga kay hapit na ang pesta, nag ponsisok ang mga tao, abi ba nako ug walay tao ning among lugar.     Sabagay katungod na nila, dili mo man pwede pugson ug guyoron paingon sa kapilya aron pag-apil niini, pero brod hinumdumi ayaw unya ug yangongo kung ikaw manginahanglan diha sa simbahan sagad ra ba aning sigi´g reklamo kining mga walay pakialam diha sa ilang GKK.  

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Kanang giingon nimo nga mga adunahan nga dali ra nga makasal or mabunyagan, dili ko mutoo nga gi exempt na sila sa simbahan, nagakuha gihapon na sila ug requirements, kay diri lang sa among lugar dili ka makasal or mabunyagan ang imong anak kon dili ka naga apil sa actibidades sa GKK diha sa kapilya ma datu kaman o pobre.  Aron sila makadawat niining mga sacramento ang ilang ginahimo hangyo lubo  diha sa PSK Leader nga tagaan sila ug certification, tungod lagi pod sa kalooy sa Leader muhangyo pa siya ug ingon "nga brod apil lang bisag usa lang ka kasaulogan aron makit-an ka diha sa kapilya sa mga membro kay lisod man pod ug tagaan ka nako bisag wala ka nagatambong".  Mao nga dili ta angay mobasol sa simbahan, hinono-a sukna-a usa imong kaugalingon kung gihimo ba nimo ang imohang parti isip membero  diha sa simbahan.  


Ang Oratio imperata mao ang usa ka mando nga pag ampo ug katuyo-an nga gi require sa papa o obispo para sa kalinaw o kalamidad nga nahiaguman diha sa iyang diocese.  

Ang pangutana aduna bay pag-ampo diha sa simbahan nga makadaut diha sa iyang komunidad?

Para kanako brod kanang pagbalhin sa laing tinuhuan tungod lamang sa requirements sa simbahan nga gipangayo mabaw kana nga hinungdan.  Wala man gani ka kasabot sa imong daang relihiyon unya mobalhin nahinoon ka didto sa ubang relihiyon, mosamot ka na sigurog reklamo sa kadaghan nga e require sa imoha sa ubang relihiyon labi na siguro ug require ka na ug “tithe” which is compulsory  para sa ilang simbahan.  

Exquisite piece and analysis, Vhinz!

Quote from: JellyBean on October 05, 2010, 02:47:52 AM
Fact today is LDS if they are caught now a days with having more than one wife at a time it is curtains to that member. It has been sometime now that it has been outlawed in that faith.

Could you please present to this forum some paperwork and documented proofs on all this stuff that the Catholic church is helping with here in Philippines or Bohol?



Something about those mama Mary statues and other Catholic statues sort of spooks me when I see them and especially when they are moving them in a parade...

Other tell me the same thing....

Its okay tattoo up your body pierce it with a million holes and poison it with alcohol and addictive caffeine drinks...after all it was how God made us born in how to respect our bodies like a good castle...

I know what the bible says about that but it is known to have been twisted and translated at the same time...

Sorry, Priscilla, but I argue otherwise.

The Roman Catholic Church and its many priestly ministers, and the thousands of parishes around the world help feed, clothe the poor, set up charitable organizations for disaster relief, set up orphanages for children abandoned, as well as run many hospitals (catholic ones; many of them in the United States, which are run for free, and give free care to those without financial capability), and so much more. Before you talk and claim anything, please research. I think you know very little in this regard to Catholic Worldwide initiatives for the poor and maligned.

That's good you read the bible. In fact I encourage you to read it actively everyday. And remember that the good book you read was written and compiled and ratified by the Roman Catholic Church after the convening of the Council of Trent.

I suggest you read more into christian historiography....

Again, Book of Mormons is not the bible. The history and little story of Joseph Smith is rather interesting to read about. Nothing more.

Quote from: chriswise on October 05, 2010, 08:22:19 PM
diba yon ang budha?


Matthew 24:23â€"27 (NIV)
23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the electâ€"if that were possible. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.

ah, very nice, indeed. By this verse, it nullifies men who claimed to be prophets such as Muhammad (Islam) and Joseph Smith (Mormonism).
Since Christ Is the Word Made Flesh, The Seal of Revelation, no man or prophet will come after him. For when He comes again, it will summon the end of the world.

Quote from: islander on October 05, 2010, 10:06:32 PM
buddha's wisdom, anyone?  this doesn't seem too far out with our usual tendency to believe only those who share in our own beliefs.

as for carlos 'damaso' celdran, no regrets?  fine.  then he should shut up and live with the consequences of his stunt.  i doubt very much if that stunt earned him any convert from the anti-rh bill adherents to go over his side.  he only managed to have his own 15 minutes of fame.    

Indeed, Isles, tho he managed to hurt his brothers and sisters during worship, not to say, desecrated the Altar of God , we can only pray that he is forgiven of his misdeeds, and that the mercies and graces of God Above continue to shower for him and his family. For out of the deep and infinite Love of God, He sees and looks past the sins and searches the hearts of all His children.

That , in the end, is the beauty and truth that the Roman Catholic Church teaches all of us.

The irony of the situation tho; it was the Roman Catholic Church who probably baptized Celdran (as he claims to be catholic), it was probably the Catholic Church that performed his marriage mass (if he is married), and it will probably be the Catholic Church to perform his requiem mass when he dies....

Peace to All!

The first time i had it was when my gf cooked it for me.
Namit gid, Bem!

I love pancit molo; good as an appetizer before any entree.

Bacolod makes the best Pastilla con leche..

I have tried the pastillas from Manila, Cebu, and even one from Ilo-Ilo.
None of them can compare to Bacolodnon Pastilla con leche...



Another thing that they make in Bacolod is a delicious sweet called Napoleones..
arang lami kaajo!



pastries, pastries, namit gid!

mmmmmm! Namit!

The Models of Bacolod City & Ilo-Ilo City...





Guapa Gid!

The Beauty of Bacolod City..

Unimaginable! 

Aligue Rice. This is rice made with crab fat.

Bacolod City's MassKara Festival

The Beautiful Smile of Bacolodnons!
"The City of Smiles"

I love it!!

Congratulations to the parishioners of Slidell and the Parish of St. Genevieve!

God Is Good!

Quote from: bol-anon quo nyur! on October 05, 2010, 08:24:17 AM
Toto Bran! gwapo gid ang BOHOL! Kon imo pana palabwan? Bantay lang!

LOL!

Tito, indi gid palabwan ang BOHOL. Ahong baji nga gi pinangga kaajo, taga Bacolod man sija. Natural ra pood ang feelings sa ijang yutang na tawhan.
I Love Bohol. But I also Love Negros Occidental...

Gusto ko mo bisita dinha pohon. "The New Frontier kono..." puahahaha


Ayaw pa suko, Tito. I love you too!    

Russian automobile? Hehehe. 

Quote from: statesville on October 05, 2010, 06:47:38 AM
Lengua de gato?..first I thought you really ate the tongue of a cat!!
    until I saw the pictures,, pastry shaped like a tongue, 
    wala ko kasuway ana but I'm sure  it's good.

Lengua de gato is a pastry favorite in Ilo-Ilo and Negros Occidental.

And, saving the best for last!

Pancit Molo..

The Flavors of Ilo-Ilo!

hehehe. Bitaw. Guapo bitaw ning cuidad! Bacolod ug Ilo-Ilo City...guapo gid ni sila duha.

For those that have, you know what I mean...

For me, it's been quite a while since I had this.

When I went back to Bohol this July, they had a fair in ICM and had goods/ pastries from Ilo-Ilo.
The things that I enjoyed from the Ilo-Ilo presentation were their:

1. Lengua de Gato
2. Pastilla con Leche




Lengua de Gato


Pastilla con leche; fresh from Bacolod and Ilo-Ilo!!


Pastilla con leche, Bacolodnon-style

Quote from: hubag bohol on October 04, 2010, 07:48:17 PM
Sa wa makaila ni Mr. Binangkal, mao ni siya:

I think ive had this before. Lami ni i pares ug cape sa buntag. Ay kalami!

Went to the gym this morning, then proceeded to work.
The weather is gloomy today: cold, and raining.
Bah!

Evening by Rockefeller Plaza, St. Patrick's Cathedral
Manhattan, New York City

Note: We walked all over the city, lol.

Kara Mustafa Pasha's Turkish Night Bar,
Enjoying the refined tastes of Turkish Culture..







Pinot Noir,
aged 12 years.




Belly Dancing per request,

New York City Trip,

Quote from: hippieinchains on May 12, 2008, 01:20:31 PM
Orgasmic Crash

For just two seconds, the world stopped

now my heart is throbbing, loud in my palms

as i hold them to my ears

and crack a huge f***ing smile.



damn, that was good!

let me just lie here for a moment

my hair wet

my body moist

smelling like you

a huge f***ing smile



just let me giggle

its okey if you fall asleep

as long as you're beside me.

i just want to feel your warmth

and just for a moment

nothing else matters

but this room

this room is the world

and i am an empress

with a huge f***ing smile.

Round 1 is over,
f***** smiling from cheek to cheek.

The pounding of my heart, contained by the walls of my chest,
eyes on her again, appetite like a hungry wolf,
Come on, let's start Round 2, 3, 4, 5, as long as we are hungry.
f***** smiling from cheek to cheek.

The sensation that is given by the human touch,
f***** smiling from cheek to cheek,
which hides the raging fire that is passion undaunted.

My eyes are on you.
Piercing through your soul.
You cannot hide from me.
f***** smiling from cheek to cheek.




-Anonymous

This Is Our Roman Catholic Church.

Welcome to the Catholic Church

We Are The Church.

We Are Catholic. We Are Family.

Quote from: vhinz08 on October 04, 2010, 08:18:04 PM
thanks for posting this vid bro.

You're welcome, Vhinz.

With all due respect, Ben,

This video is more accurate.



Welcome to the Catholic Church


We Are The Catholic Church.
With over 1 Billion in Our Family.

Quote from: jas4 on October 04, 2010, 03:32:11 AM
But it's only the Catholic Church ang nagsige ug pang-attriber sa Panggobyerno sa Pilipinas!  Mga dagkong hilabtanun!  Pero wa magtan-aw sa ilang grupo nga perting daghanang pari ug madre nga naay anak while naa sa ilang vox of celibacy!

Government deserves to be opposed in some cases and not be accepted on every policy it enacts. You yourself , in many of your posts in the past are quite negative towards the Philippine government, as with crass comments. Why the switch in agenda?

And additionally, the Roman Catholic Church has the right to oppose any bill, as does any other insitution and group of people. As do members of the Iglesia Ni Christo, Aglipayans, as well as other denominational churches.

The problem here, as in regards to the article at hand; is the manner how one protests and shows a point of view. Celdran, in this point, was found at fault, violating Article 133 of the Revised Penal Code of The Republic of the Philippines, and thus, was arrested and exposed.

The Catholic Church, in this case, was found harassed for voicing its concern and opposition to the bill. There were no laws violated by the Catholic Church, in fact, it is through appropriate channels and formal dialogue that it channels its concern. Not like Celdran who comes into a House of Worship and disturbs the hundreds that were gathering for worship.

Again, know the difference between the dichotomy between: 1) The right to protest and 2) The manner in how one protests (in accordance to national laws and bylaws).

Quote from: jas4 on October 04, 2010, 03:32:11 AM
But it's only the Catholic Church ang nagsige ug pang-attriber sa Panggobyerno sa Pilipinas!  Mga dagkong hilabtanun!  Pero wa magtan-aw sa ilang grupo nga perting daghanang pari ug madre nga naay anak while naa sa ilang vox of celibacy!

The Catholic Church has the right to talk and give concern in regards to political upheaval, as it looks for the general good and the faith life of the people. (Not to mention that over 80% of the Philippine population Is Roman Catholic)It is a constitutional right!

As for your comment on catholic priests and nuns having outside families (this has nothing to do with the bill at hand; in fact, if the so called priests and nuns that you talked about were actively aborting children, then this would be an act of hypocrisy, but since they retain the child, it is a responsible act). Where are the numbers and official paper work that can legitimize your claim of 'perting daghang'? Unless you give proper documentation and official numbers, instead of accusations and hearsay, there is no credibility.

The Catholic Church will continue to voice its concern in the Philippines.

Philippines vs. India A5N Rugby Div 2 Final 2010

Kaiser sleeping in,

I'm reading it and doing my own research on the matter (thanks in part to your postings!)

Good Night, Isles, and here's to a great week for us all!

~

Quote from: Bambi on October 04, 2010, 01:08:27 AM
The Paparazzi! 

hahaha she indeed is a paparazzi of sorts.

Quote from: Scarb on October 03, 2010, 08:09:06 PM
My thought for today is what is the full measure of our joy being in relationship with God,
dependent fully upon Him for everything even the very breath of life.
    We are not self-sufficient though many want to think that they are.
       We live and breathe and have life all by the grace of God.
We are owed nothing and yet we are called to toil all of the days of our lives
    with some man induced expectation that we will be rewarded for our hard work.

hehe ka gwapokaayo imong thought, Ms. Blue. Murag Divine Contemplation man ni...

To understand our relationship with Him, is the proof of the Holy Spirit being in our lives!

Blessings and More Blessings!

What an incredible thread, Isles.

Quote from: Scarb on October 03, 2010, 11:19:45 PM
Ah ja klaro, logisch..! 

Utterly and truly. Different nations have different cultures and methods of doing things, with respect to the local culture.

For Priscilla to try to compare how the culture in the United States (which is a mix-mash of culture(s) is quite weak; there is no harmonious homogeneous 'American' Culture, since this country is composed of immigrants to begin with). Secondly, the way things are done in one country will differ to another. Just as how a Catholic Church in Rome will differ in regards to local culture and belief to the Catholic Church and parishoners in Japan, in South Korea, in the Philippines, in the United States, in South Africa etc.

It's all part of the multicultural dynamic that makes the Roman Catholic Church 'universal'; and accepted globally as the teachers of faith and religious/social life.

I find no basis on anyone's presumptions and bias on the Catholic Church and how it conducts its ecclesiastic duties in Bohol, Philippines; and take no weight on her negative view on the church. Just like how many of us should note of the plethora of sexual abuse, sexual scandals, polygamy cases involving traditional mormon communities in Utah, USA. Then again, such generalizations don't speak up for most, if not all Mormons (LDS).




Best,

Quote from: Scarb on October 03, 2010, 10:42:54 PM
The Church (church personnel) couldn't have ears and eyes to everyone,
  but i think they are always there to open the door
      when somebody knock..klops..knock§. ughs  
The Church has its own ordinance and routine to follow,
  am pretty sure the Church isnt likewise a "Social Welfare Institute"  capichie?  

So very true, Ms. Blue. The role of the Church is to provide spiritual and social guidance, of which the faithful have the right to listen or not listen. And when it does provide aid, it does so through appropriate channels: CRS (catholic relief services, catholic adoption agencies, CAFOD (Catholic Funding for Overseas Development), and so much more (too many to list!)

And to answer Jas4 & Priscilla: It's not just the Catholic Church that doesn't pay taxes, this goes for all religious institutions, meaning that other christian denominational churches, mormon temples, jewish temples, muslim mosques etc are under this same umbrella.
Even here in the United States, Christian Churches, Buddhist temples, Muslim mosques, Jewish temples etc are exempt from taxes.
It's not just a Philippine case-scenario.

Truly.

I find myself being drawn to Richard Taylor's commentary on the metaphysical concept of Good and Evil, in regards to Moral Volunteerism:

...now let us note that the basic distinction between Good and Evil  could not even theoretically be drawn in a world that we imagined to be devoid of all life. That is, if we suppose the world to be exactly as it is, except that it contains not one living thing, it seems clear that nothing would be good and nothing bad. It would just be a dead world, turning through space with a lifeless atmosphere. Having deprived our imagined world of all life, we can modify it in numberless ways, but by no such modification can we ever produce the slightest hint of good or evil in it until we introduce at least one living being capable of reacting in one way or another to the world as that being finds it.

lazy sunday, indeed...

Quote from: jorgeanna on October 03, 2010, 09:50:54 AM
Saturday: went mountain hiking for 3 hours

Sunday: bed all day long. sore muscles. cant walk. cant move. cant do anything... Mirisi ko!

hehehe! nice nice!

ako pood, Anne, joined the local gym this week. No pain, no game.

A lazy Sunday.



someone took a pic of me surveying..
guess who took it.

musta imung sunday, Toy?


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A lazy sunday, ah, thank goodness for coffee..

Have you ever pondered about the philosophy of the absolutes: good & evil?

Your view on the two.

Always.

Do you? Discuss.

Quote from: basilan on October 03, 2010, 06:17:55 AM
( "If the United States Navy would donate just 1 Aegis-class or Fletcher-class destroyer to the Philippine Navy, the Philippine Navy would be the strongest naval power in ASEAN." )

I'm pretty sure the Philippines would be the strongest not only naval but military (land and air) power in SEAsia. Imagine the capabilities of an Aegis-class destroyer, but then how can the Philippines maintain a billion dollar ship one engine (gas turbine) alone can consume at least (+-) 1000 gph of fuel in a speed of 29 to 30 knots not to mention full power and full speed. Plus one tomahawk costs at least 600 to 700 thousand dollars a piece (not really accurate) imagine the 30 forward and 60 aft of tomahawks (can't relly remember). You could build a hospital in the Philippines with just one worth of tomahawk missile.

( "The same ship was sent to Indonesia to rebuild and help recover bodies in Indonesia after the Tsunami 2004."

I don't think USS KIdd was part of that mission on the early stage or at the later stage or not at all. It was the Benfold, Shiloh, and the USNS Rainer who went to the Bandah Aceh, Indonesia within the critical 24hrs of the Tsunami. Well maybe in the clean up part of the operation.


I'm from Basilan and also part of me from Bohol (Tubigon because of my dad. Someone posted here (on a different topic) that Basilan should be wiped out of the map (because of the Abu Sayaff) hmmm

thanks Lorenzo good posts good luck

Hi there Basilan, thank you for the added information as well as the correction on the topic. Welcome to Tubag Bohol Dot Com!

Enjoy your stay.

Quote from: lumine on October 03, 2010, 01:29:54 AM
thank u for d greetings for mamatt,dong lorenz.

Way sapayan, Ate Lumine.

From speaking to Matthew on the phone last time, bright kaayo ni siya.

Again, Happy Birthday to our little Matthew!