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#27301
Quote from: U.S. of America on October 24, 2010, 09:41:26 PM
Published by the Bohol Chronicle

A supposedly mega project of former governor, now 2nd District Congressman
Erico Aumentado is mired in controversy following allegations of blatant procedural lapses and even serious constitutional issues.

A public consultation called last Thursday practically unearthed a veritable
trove of revelations straight from those supposed beneficiaries of the project
and officials who had a hand in the dubious manner in which the project was laid
out.

The output of the consultation will be presented during a meeting on
Wednesday with visiting Korean officials.

The consultation was conducted by a joint committee on Agriculture,
Natural Resources and Environmental Protection, Good Government, Justice and
Human Rights headed by Board Members Abeleon Damalerio and Vencenzo Arcamo
respectively together with Cezar Lopez., vice chair of the Finance, Budget and
Appropriations committee Dubbed as the "Bioethanol Research Center Project", a joint venture between

Biolsystems Co. Ltd. or "Biol" of the Republic of Korea and the Province of
Bohol, is focused on seaweed aquaculture, ethanol production and post-harvest.

Mounting public clamor from affected seaweed growers for the new provincial
leaders to conduct a probe on the marine aquaculture project which was kept
under wraps during the previous administration triggered the ongoing review by
the Sangguniang Panlalawigan (SP).
         

According to the assailed MOU, the Province of Bohol will set aside for the
exclusive operation of the Korean company 3 has. as test area for aquaculture,
500 has. for seedling plantation, 25,000 up to 100,000 has. for the aquaculture
site proper. Another 60 has. will be guaranteed by the province for an ethanol
production factory and residential area for workers.

The project will not only be in the waters of Bohol but also a possible tie-up with neighboring provinces that would cover one million hectares.

The term contract is for a period of 50 years with a planned extension of 25
years.

The MOU further stated that security around the aquaculture and factory areas
will be provided by the PNP and the AFP.

Seaweed farmers feared the day when they would turn into mere laborers of these
giant foreign corporations instead of producers of seaweeds.

Seaweed farmers get P25T gross from seaweeds in a 2,500 sq. meter area five
times a year. Sales from abalone at P470/kilo, "tihi-tihi", sea cucumber at
P2,000/kilo and rare shells adds up to a tidy sum for the seaweed farmers.

Representatives from the Seaweed Investors Association of the Philippines (SIAP)
condemned the brazenness of these foreign corporations for threatening the
livelihood of the Filipino fisherfolks.

They voiced their suspicion that this MOU is now peddled in roadshows abroad to
entice investors for the project.

The marine aquaculture project, according to Atty. Titus Vistal of the
Provincial Planning and Development Office (PPDO) was never formally discussed
in the Provincial Development Council (PDC) but was taken up only as an
exploratory project.

Questions were also raised on the need for the Sangguniang Panglalawigan (SP) to
have been consulted on such an ambitious project even if the joint venture
project was in the nature of an Memorandum of Understanding (MOU).

During the meeting, seaweed growers associations, non-government organizations
(NGO's), People's organizations (PO's) engaged in marine protection were one in
denouncing not only the past administration but the Korean government for
deliberately ignoring a basic requirement for such a big project - public
consultation with the stakeholders.

Letters sent to the Korean government by the seaweed growers were ignored.

Even the municipality of Talibon which granted, upon the request of Aumentado,
50 has. in the islands of Sag and Bansan islands never informed the seaweed
growers about the areas reserved for the bioethanol project.

But stakeholders later found out that instead of Biol Co., the signatory of the
MOU, a firm by the name of Algahol, set up operations in Talibon.

Another firm, Metallic Ore Harvester Corporation identified as a Taiwanese
company is also into seaweeds farming in a 1200 has area also in Nocnocan isled
in Talibon.

Heavily armed security guards has been driving out local fishermen from their
farm area.

Leandres Artiaga, Fisheries Technician of the Provincial Agriculture Office (PAO), who was privy to the entry of Algahol in Talibon, told the Chronicle that he was pressured by a certain Ho Jea Lee, a Korean investor to sign the incorporation papers as an investor and a member of the board of directors for 50 shares valued at P1,861.

He further said that June Blanco, a former executive assistant of the Governor
also signed as an incorporator of Algahol.

Artiaga added that he submitted to the Provincial Legal Office an affidavit
withdrawing as member of the board of Algahol.

Meanwhile, June Blanco confirmed to the Chronicle that she signed as an
incorporator and secretary of Algahol to complete a corporation requirement.
Atty. Cathy Jamila of the Provincial Legal Office raised a constitutional issue
on a corporation exploiting our natural resources.

Initial findings showed that Algahol is a foreign corporation engaged in the
exploitation of our fisheries and aquatic resources which are reserved
exclusively for Filipinos.

A review of the registration papers of Algahol is now underway.

Atty. Handel Lagunay, former Provincial Legal Officer told the Chronicle that
Algohol is a foreign corporation incorporated domestically in the Philippines.

He also said that Algohol is not into actual seaweed farming but engaged in
research and development of marine aquaculture, procurement and marketing of
seaweed produce of the local seaweed farmers.

The 13 has. reported to be found planted with seaweeds was a pilot area to test
if certain varieties would thrive in the area, explained Lagunay.

The MOU between Biolsystems Co., Ltd. of the Republic of Korea and the Province
of Bohol were signed by 28 of the 30 Mayors of the coastal municipalities in
Bohol last July 16, 2009.

Inputs gathered from the public consultation will be collated and presented to
the Korean party on Wednesday, at the Bohol Tropics Hotel.

A few questions:

1. Who decided that the contract be for 50 years? Why so long?
2. Since the project will not be directly in Bohol waters, and since it was mentioned that it would be in cooperation with other province(s), which provinces are going to be involved aside from Bohol?
3. Why did the former provincial administration keep this on a low profile?
4. Where there other dealings with other foreign investors, aside from the Republic of Korea?
5. What is the current provincial government's plans with sea-weed farming? Is it even included?


Thanks.
#27302
Not at all, if you bore me, I would never respond, Isles.
Truth be told, I enjoy reading your response(s).
Quite exciting what to expect next. ;)




#27303
Poems and Poets / Re: Haiku of a seaweed farmer
November 01, 2010, 07:13:48 AM
Colorful sea weed
Fresh today, Dried tomorrow
Shipped for Korea

;)
#27304
Poems and Poets / Re: Haiku of a seaweed farmer
November 01, 2010, 07:08:32 AM
                                                                                                                       


                                                                                                                         Fresh water falls down
                                                                                                                         Drenching my torched skin browned exposed
                                                                                                                                                            Let us work today
#27305
Poems and Poets / Haiku of a seaweed farmer
November 01, 2010, 07:06:01 AM
Warm gush on my hand
          The pacific breeze brushes
                          The sun is so hot
#27306
Seaweed Farms


In Shimanto, Japan




#27307
Quote from: islander on November 01, 2010, 06:15:39 AM



those whose livelihoods depend on the sea and its resources must be presumed to know what it is they speak of and fear as they know the tides like the palms of their hands.  we cannot presume that they have no background in aquatic environmental science, biological processes or some benthic or menstrual algae that some guy who never got his hands dirty on the field or at sea happens to come across.  one cannot assure these people of the continuity of marine life with scientific language when they know that when such large-scale industry sees fruition some areas of the sea where they used to eke out their daily source of income will be off limits to them.  isn’t that what this supposed scandal is also about?


thanks too.

The point is, Isles, the growth of seaweed algae predominantly will be located near the shallow waters, not in deep areas where heavy commercial fishing takes place. hehe

:)
#27308
Isles, you may choose what to read and what not to read (if the scientific post bores you).However,  I post my thoughts not just for you, but for the entirety of tubag bohol to read.
That said,

Have a blessed Sunday as well.

Lorenz
#27309
Irrespective of political machinations and past, future loyalties, I believe that the political system in the Philippines must goal to sever our dependence on foreign energy imports. We should begin by investing in renewable resources, particularly to take note of Ilocos Norte's wind farms, which can be be implemented in provinces that experience high wind-trajectory, again, to offset foreign dependence.

In regards to the topic of seaweed farming, the reason why I'm such a proponent of this is because there are many countries in the world that could only dream of implementing such a plan to reality. But fail. The reason why is because most countries have a minimal coast line, let alone lack a rich diversification of aquatic ecofauna that is necessary for seaweed colony growth.

The Philippines, which is comprised of over 7,100 islands and with a rich coastline that stretches over 36,289 kilometers, which is twice that of the United States'! What does this mean? Well, considering the Philippines is rich with aquatic fauna, rich in oxygen turnover, she is a perfect host to grow seaweed colonies, with a possibility of producing millions of barrels of petroleum ether , if resources are pooled effectively.

The country, The Philippines, is literally sitting on treasure. Our location, our raw natural resources, and our effective man power reserves the Philippines to become a regional / global player in petroleum exports in the future, if it plays its card effectively.



#27310
Quote from: chicogon on November 01, 2010, 03:30:37 AM
From the Christian perspective or point of view I am always awed (and wowed) by the amazing wonders all around us (indeed, there is a touch of heaven everywhere!). And Bohol has plenty of them, needless to say. What I'm WARY ABOUT is what people (esp. those hiding behind the facades of big corporations and masks of powerful political figures) do to these wonderful creations, and to poor people, who are basically dependent on these God-given wonders. I may sound suspicious but I can't read motives either. Based on historical facts the locals or the poor people from a particular area are usually the ones who suffer the most if and when our fears become a reality. God forbid if that happens to our beloved Bohol and to our fellow Boholanos. But it's happening everywhere!!!

To be honest, I personally liked the way the Japanese project (JAICA) did in the early 80's... they came and taught us (Boholanos and Pinoys alike) how to be good farmers. Pero gahi lang jud nig mga ulo ning mga Pinoy kay magbuot jog ilaha (WA SUNDA MGA GITUDLO SA HAPON UNSAON PAGTANOM UG HUMAY HEHEHEHE). Their investment was in helping us "learn how to fish" in our own backyard, rather than "fishing in our own backyard and bring the harvest to Japan." Meaning, kung akoy pagbut-on, I prefer if foreign investors (I wonder if you can call one if they are not for profit) teach our locals how to manage and/or make use of our natural resources using scientific ways and/or modern technology. I'm sure we haven't even tapped the best ways to celebrate (aw!) our nature's giftedness.  ;)




Hi Father,

You stressed a very important point, which I do agree with you, namely that there are large corporations out there that will take advantage of much poorer, easily influenced provinces, per se Bohol. This is why I believe that the Philippines , as a whole, should pool with open free market societies in taking advantage of our country's seemingly rich bounty (in raw natural resources). If the Philippines were to grow large seaweed plants, the amount of petroleum ether and methane extracted could offset our dependence on foreign resources, as well as even make the Philippines a global supplier of seaweed-based petroleum ether.

I for one would be in support of such initiatives, and for further researching renewable resources with more affluent nations that could help the Philippines in future infrastructural projects, investments.



#27311
Happy Sunday Everyone!

:)
#27312
Quote from: chicogon on October 31, 2010, 11:34:31 PM
Re: This one I wish was explained in the dialect or binisaya kay wala gajod koy kasayuran ani nga subject matter as stated in my earlier reply. The terms "bentic algae" is so foreign to me; what is not foreign is "Pintik ni Alging." Unsa man god ni bahin? Bahin ug guso? lato? plain seaweed, etc? Hehehehe. I'm actually enjoying some readings here.  ;D


Ah, Father Lungay, all I can say is that the beauty and wonder of the Lord is glorified. For He created these processes to occur at a whimb, ordained that the algae perform photosynthesis. These species have survived and lived for eons through this simplistic yet amazing resource acquisition. We, humans, have recently just figured out how these organisms replicate, populate and adapt to the environmental stressors.

The way everything is designed, and ordered in the natural world is amazing. It sings Glory to the Creator who created it all.

God IS Great!

:)
#27313
Quote from: islander on November 01, 2010, 12:44:22 AM
i am an interested viewer.  sorry to disappoint you, but i took your posts on their own merits.  i cannot twist their meanings further as by themselves these already strike me as twisted and far from simplistic.  

those 'negative assumptions' aren't unsubstantiated, otherwise there would be no complaints about this particular industry's memorandum of understanding in this our particular province.  whether or not these complaints are more than mere political posturing and beyond political motives is another matter.  what matters is that they're out in the open and authorities will now hopefully be more careful with their steps.  

meanwhile, we have to consider that the world's industrial history shows that big industry almost always had to sacrifice individuals, those living and breathing human beings, in the pursuit of corporate greed.  it is what this thread is all about, not some marine science indigestible data that are better left to scientists.

goodnight, lorenz.  (it's almost 2 a.m. here.)  i hope we never forget that our disagreements on some things have nothing to do with us as persons.  if i may, let me add that you make this forum more interesting.  happy halloween!

No, those negative assumptions were rather unnecessary and the example of side-topicing, which I will not honor any further. No one was trying to 'impress' anything, rather share the biological processes involving the said subject, namely benthic photosynthesis, and its correlation in reducing carbon emissions, which goes solidly in line with what I've been trying to address throughout my post(s) in this thread.

If you assumed that I was trying to impress , then I apologize that you thought that, because in all truth and purposes, was not. My sharing of the biochemical processes is necessary as to elucidate any misunderstanding, as well as to shed light on something that I have experience in.



Thanks.
Lorenzo
#27314
Quote from: islander on November 01, 2010, 12:18:00 AM
there's a whale of a difference between self-serving and self-sustaining, lorenz, and using one for the other had erased the point.  words are tricky, as you may know.  look at how saddened you are, when my intention was not to sadden you, with my statement that we communicate to be understood and not to impress, which is nothing but a standard line on the subject of communication.

if you felt the need to provide the biological and ecological explanations on the issue, must you also feel the need to ask charlie to research first before posting?  you seem to have no problem doing the research for him!

The point was made, and it directly correlated with the information that was fluidly given , to assess the point that I had specifically targeted. Biological information and processes is necessary as it provides the basis and nullifies any possibility of misunderstanding ; hard science is most important in discussing this subject matter, considering the subject matter involves biochemical pathways, specifically on benthic algae, and its possible effects on the local ecology.

Thus, the two are tangential and necessary for internal processes of said information.

Thanks.
#27315
Quote from: islander on October 31, 2010, 11:37:53 PM
in other words, in keeping with charlie's initial post and the trend of your posts, large-scale or industrial level seaweeds production is what is needed to increase the local fish population?  let me bring this further down the road of logic of no return; without such industrial level production, by just letting nature take care of itself and doing away with abusive and indiscriminate fishing, the fish population would be threatened?





If we allow natural processes to proceed, considering the rich diversification of the marine ecofauna of Bohol, and the plenitude of fishes, there is little to no fear of reduced fish output, for the time being.

Fish growth will not be decreased by the seaweed plant production, nor would there be any damage or reduction of fishing outpout, as was feared in the original article, as it is made to think (for those who have no background in aquatic environmental science, biochemical processes of benthic algae) that fish life would be jeapordized by the sea-weed colonies, if it were to be completed, that is.

On the contrary, it is important to note, for all readers that there is no threat to aquatic ecosystems , specifically on fish populations since seaweed is an essential keystone member, that assures overall health of fish habitat and population. Thus, since it provides such an integral factor, would help in the increasing of fish population, and thus inhibits any fears of any possibility of fish population in Bohol's waters to be threatened in any way.

In directly answering Charlie's query, the possibility of any environmental mishap that can occur due to this is minimal at best; considering this is a renewable natural resource, unlike said the damaging industries such as natural gas extraction, blast mining, coal mining, pure petroleum extraction etc, all of which cause detrimental effects on the local and region-wide environment.

Thanks.
#27316
Quote from: islander on October 31, 2010, 10:42:26 PM
and you believe that what you're focusing on and all those details are helpful?  then fine.  whether they're needed or not or understood or not isn't part of the equation.  what matters then is that you can say what you want.  sometimes, though, it pays to know when to stop "talking" in order to be understood.  we're supposed to communicate to be understood, not to impress. ;)

p.s.  you must have meant self-sustaining then, not self-serving. 

thanks too.
 

Self serving, or if you would prefer, self-sustaining, the point was made. I am saddened to read that you thought that my post was trying to impress, which was not the case at all. My post was to provide a biological and ecological explanation with the issue, since it was not addressed in prior posts.

It is also important to state this, Isles, that it is rather disappointing to read that you have twisted the meaning and intention of my post in this matter. In my view, it was a simplistic sharing of information, for Charlie, to which it was addressed to, and to the interested viewers.

Try not to focus on the unsubstantiated 'negative' assumptions. It strays away from the point of the post.

Back to the subject matter. Thanks.


Best,
Lorenzo
#27317
A seaweed farm in Bali, Indonesia:



#27318
Actually, it does, as Charlie asked about the effects. To which was answered, the fisheries result, which was ill-posted in the original article; additionally, the said algacuture has positive effects in reducing CO2 emmissions and other sewage wastes. The industry literally eats its own trash.

I suggest you read more into the biochemistry and the ecology of aquatic ecosystems, it would elucidate many things for you. It's truly an interesting subject, specialized field of biology (zoology and botany) :)

In ecology, it focuses on the study of benthic algae, to herbivory , to piscivory, it is a stratified level of study, one which is essential for the proper study and relegation of data.

So thus, it is necessary to discuss the biochemistry involved, and the organismal aspect ; and the different niches these organisms are placed in.
Ecology, as the study of the environment, specifically in this case, the aquamarine environment, it is necessitated that we study everything. From bottom up. ;)


Thanks,
Lorenz
#27319
The Photosynthetic Pathway, a simplified illustration:








On pollution control:

Much of the carbon dioxide that is released into the atmosphere is from the burning of fossil fuels. With concerns over global warming, new methods for the thorough and efficient capture of CO2 are being sought out. An alternative to carbon capture and storage, by attaching an algae pond, or photobioreactor, to any fuel burning plant, the carbon dioxide produced during combustion can be fed into the algae system. Additional nutrients can be sourced from sewage, thus turning two pollutants into resources for the production of biofuels, with a land requirement much smaller than other crop sources (terrestrial crops) and without competing with food production.

Reference:
http://www.euroasiaindustry.com/page/466/A-Green-Solution

http://www.apru.org/awi/cmas/2nd%20meeting/UM1%20-%20Marine%20Ecosystems.pdf



:)
#27320
In regards to aquamarine life, namely fisheries (herbivorous as well as pisciverous species types) are dependent on the bottom ecology and presence of benthic algae, as it is a kestone (and thus integral) pillar of an aquatic ecosystem. It provides the basis for herbivory feeders, basis for cover against predatory fishes. With an increase in herbivorous fishes, this will lead to an increase in the population of pisciverous fish population, thus increase the overall local fish population.

This, in actuality, would increase the output of many fishermen in the region, and thus, is the anithesis of a fisherine problem.

Thanks.
#27321
Let us continue to discuss only the subject at hand, namely, bioethanol scandal and the science involved.
The point of my posts was to provide a basic reiteration of biochemical pathways of seaweed and the former's effects / or minimal effects on the local ecology. As well as to answer Charlie's honest question, which was asking specifically for an ecological answer, and thus provided him.

The Truth: Seaweed Algaculture is in fact an environmentally-friendly renewable resource; one that has been clamored for by many green-friendly American proponents ; and one that has been a subject of intense feasibility research for many American energy corporations.

I stand firm to what I said earlier.

Thanks. :)

#27323
Quote from: islander on October 31, 2010, 07:54:58 PM
as there is no downside to anything else if one focuses only on the upside.  (remember george bush's defense of the u.s. iraq invasion?) 

project proponents and their slew of analysts and writers of project proposals are good at this.  one doesn't sell one's self short, until social conscience sets in.  (i should f_cking know, having been a paid hack at framing project proposals to make them palatable.)  i dare not presume, though, that i know a topic well enough just because it is faintly related to a subject i took in college.  one has to get one's hand dirty, on the field, as i presume bc is doing or plans to do.

a "self-serving industry"?  heavens.  you mean the seaweed industry serves only itself, never mind the environment, the workers, and the society at large?  don't start shooting yourself in the foot, please.

by the way, if i were bc a.k.a. charlie, i'd be asking myself what questions should i be asking you, unless i'm too lazy to google.  take lorenzo's offer and ask at your own peril, charlie!   

       

Isles, in regards to the topic at hand, I am focusing on the ecological aspect, to which the algaculture has very little ecological changes, in fact, it has been proven through biochemical environmental processes that benthic algae such as seaweed can reduce CO2 emmisions as well as reduce carbon, nitrogen and phosphorus emmisions, which are paramount in eutrophication processes. Thus, there is an inhibition of the negative factors, in regards to algaculture. Thank You. :)

PS. Self-serving, meaning that it serves itself and does not require excess environmental cleaning , unlike many other natural resources, the aquisition of petroleum ether through extraction processes, does not cause any devastating alterations in the local environment. Unlike natural gas extraction, petroleum extraction or blast mining, which result in pervasive release of sewage and CO2 emmisions with little to no reduction of said wastes as well as result in changes in local setting, seaweed actually removes its own wastes (literally) and uses it for energy.

Unlike the said natural resources I mentioned earlier, which are non-renewable resources, seaweed provides almost continuously renewable petroleum ether. So long as seaweed colonies remain in production.


Thanks.
Lorenzo
#27324
Quote from: islander on October 31, 2010, 07:15:54 PM
what in h-e-l-l...!  lorenzo, i am more inclined to believe that you should know first what you're talking (or writing) about before you post.

one news item on how the process of a memorandum was done may not negate the threat, imagined or otherwise, to the livelihood of a good number of boholanos.  this is the complaint that had to be addressed and not just dismissed as "unfounded and unsubstantiated" for reasons of scientific gobbledygook that you've so willingly shared.

also, learn to fully understand what you read first before answering.  have you ever considered the possibility that bc is not after a lecture on ecology or environmental science, much less limnology, which any idiot can google?  a semester's theoretical academic exposure to such field doesn't make one expert enough to dismiss the social ramifications that certain big projects are bound to whip up.    

 

Isles, I'm focusing on the fisheries point of view, in regards to benthic algae. Thanks. :)
#27325
Quote from: bamboocharlie on October 31, 2010, 05:41:29 AM
Hello everyone,

    Again, what is wrong with large scale seaweed farming? What are the downsides and upsides to this industry?   



There really is no downside to seaweed farming, as it is a self-serving industry. It literally consumes the sewage and chemical run-off, considering that seaweed is a benthic algae, and thus, a detritus, which consumes debris and waste (it consumes CO2, it produces energy via photosynthesis)

Seaweed provides the foundation for species diversification, as it is essential for the foundation of a stable aquatic fauna and fisheries. This is basic aquatic ecology taught in collegiate curriculum.

The propelling of such a wide-scale industry could not only produce almost unlimited petroleum ether, would provide jobs for engineers and skilled laborers, as well as can provide for further research on algacultural initiatives.

This is the basis of many research projects in American Colleges focusing on aquatic environmental science.

If you have any further questions, please, Charlie, do ask. ;)


Best,
Lorenzo
#27326
Quote from: U.S. of America on October 24, 2010, 09:41:26 PM
Published by the Bohol Chronicle

A supposedly mega project of former governor, now 2nd District Congressman
Erico Aumentado is mired in controversy following allegations of blatant procedural lapses and even serious constitutional issues.

A public consultation called last Thursday practically unearthed a veritable
trove of revelations straight from those supposed beneficiaries of the project
and officials who had a hand in the dubious manner in which the project was laid
out.

The output of the consultation will be presented during a meeting on
Wednesday with visiting Korean officials.

The consultation was conducted by a joint committee on Agriculture,
Natural Resources and Environmental Protection, Good Government, Justice and
Human Rights headed by Board Members Abeleon Damalerio and Vencenzo Arcamo
respectively together with Cezar Lopez., vice chair of the Finance, Budget and
Appropriations committee Dubbed as the "Bioethanol Research Center Project", a joint venture between

Biolsystems Co. Ltd. or "Biol" of the Republic of Korea and the Province of
Bohol, is focused on seaweed aquaculture, ethanol production and post-harvest.

Mounting public clamor from affected seaweed growers for the new provincial
leaders to conduct a probe on the marine aquaculture project which was kept
under wraps during the previous administration triggered the ongoing review by
the Sangguniang Panlalawigan (SP).
         

According to the assailed MOU, the Province of Bohol will set aside for the
exclusive operation of the Korean company 3 has. as test area for aquaculture,
500 has. for seedling plantation, 25,000 up to 100,000 has. for the aquaculture
site proper. Another 60 has. will be guaranteed by the province for an ethanol
production factory and residential area for workers.

The project will not only be in the waters of Bohol but also a possible tie-up with neighboring provinces that would cover one million hectares.

The term contract is for a period of 50 years with a planned extension of 25
years.

The MOU further stated that security around the aquaculture and factory areas
will be provided by the PNP and the AFP.

Seaweed farmers feared the day when they would turn into mere laborers of these
giant foreign corporations instead of producers of seaweeds.

Seaweed farmers get P25T gross from seaweeds in a 2,500 sq. meter area five
times a year. Sales from abalone at P470/kilo, "tihi-tihi", sea cucumber at
P2,000/kilo and rare shells adds up to a tidy sum for the seaweed farmers.

Representatives from the Seaweed Investors Association of the Philippines (SIAP)
condemned the brazenness of these foreign corporations for threatening the
livelihood of the Filipino fisherfolks.

They voiced their suspicion that this MOU is now peddled in roadshows abroad to
entice investors for the project.

The marine aquaculture project, according to Atty. Titus Vistal of the
Provincial Planning and Development Office (PPDO) was never formally discussed
in the Provincial Development Council (PDC) but was taken up only as an
exploratory project.

Questions were also raised on the need for the Sangguniang Panglalawigan (SP) to
have been consulted on such an ambitious project even if the joint venture
project was in the nature of an Memorandum of Understanding (MOU).

During the meeting, seaweed growers associations, non-government organizations
(NGO's), People's organizations (PO's) engaged in marine protection were one in
denouncing not only the past administration but the Korean government for
deliberately ignoring a basic requirement for such a big project - public
consultation with the stakeholders.

Letters sent to the Korean government by the seaweed growers were ignored.

Even the municipality of Talibon which granted, upon the request of Aumentado,
50 has. in the islands of Sag and Bansan islands never informed the seaweed
growers about the areas reserved for the bioethanol project.

But stakeholders later found out that instead of Biol Co., the signatory of the
MOU, a firm by the name of Algahol, set up operations in Talibon.

Another firm, Metallic Ore Harvester Corporation identified as a Taiwanese
company is also into seaweeds farming in a 1200 has area also in Nocnocan isled
in Talibon.

Heavily armed security guards has been driving out local fishermen from their
farm area.

Leandres Artiaga, Fisheries Technician of the Provincial Agriculture Office (PAO), who was privy to the entry of Algahol in Talibon, told the Chronicle that he was pressured by a certain Ho Jea Lee, a Korean investor to sign the incorporation papers as an investor and a member of the board of directors for 50 shares valued at P1,861.

He further said that June Blanco, a former executive assistant of the Governor
also signed as an incorporator of Algahol.

Artiaga added that he submitted to the Provincial Legal Office an affidavit
withdrawing as member of the board of Algahol.

Meanwhile, June Blanco confirmed to the Chronicle that she signed as an
incorporator and secretary of Algahol to complete a corporation requirement.
Atty. Cathy Jamila of the Provincial Legal Office raised a constitutional issue
on a corporation exploiting our natural resources.

Initial findings showed that Algahol is a foreign corporation engaged in the
exploitation of our fisheries and aquatic resources which are reserved
exclusively for Filipinos.

A review of the registration papers of Algahol is now underway.

Atty. Handel Lagunay, former Provincial Legal Officer told the Chronicle that
Algohol is a foreign corporation incorporated domestically in the Philippines.

He also said that Algohol is not into actual seaweed farming but engaged in
research and development of marine aquaculture, procurement and marketing of
seaweed produce of the local seaweed farmers.

The 13 has. reported to be found planted with seaweeds was a pilot area to test
if certain varieties would thrive in the area, explained Lagunay.

The MOU between Biolsystems Co., Ltd. of the Republic of Korea and the Province
of Bohol were signed by 28 of the 30 Mayors of the coastal municipalities in
Bohol last July 16, 2009.

Inputs gathered from the public consultation will be collated and presented to
the Korean party on Wednesday, at the Bohol Tropics Hotel.

On the contrary,

Considering the fact that the the ecology at hand is aquatic and not a closed-off fresh water habitat (such as a lake), the continuous turnover of oxygen ensures the continuation of aquatic fauna, and thus minimizes the threat of fisheries ambivalence.

Considering seaweed is a benthic algae, it provides the basis for a plethora of species diversification, since it provides as a rich food supply for herbivory fishes, which in result provides the foundation for the growth of pisciverous fishes, and thus ensures the aquatic balance.

Seaweed growth is self sustaining, and in actuality, would not only reduce CO2 emissions (via photosynthetic processes), but would also indirectly lead to increased fish population, which would be fortuitous for the fisheries in the province.

The complaint on fisheries threat is unfounded and unsubstantiated. Research before you post. :)


Regards,
A. Lorenzo Lucino,
#27327
Quote from: bamboocharlie on October 31, 2010, 05:41:29 AM
Hello everyone,

    I am an American(kano)and Philippine resident.  I have always been an artist and craftsman; an independently self employed person and an environmentalist. 
    I do not favor large corporation and in fact I see the economic entity of "corporation" as a crime itself. Because "profit motive" is too strong and is the prime directive over all other factors of life.
   A corporation, as a "legal entity" has the same rights as "a person", therefore, "a machine" or u could say a "non human being", now has the same rights as a person.
  "The machine" has no heart or no soul,  no consciousness, ..it is programed to care about only one thing.. making money. 
In other words I am a firm believer in small business. Therefore I want to take sides with the independent small farming community on Bohol.  However, I am not writing to start a debate about corporations...
    Rather, I would  like to know... what is wrong with large scale seaweed farming? What are the downsides and upsides to this industry? 
    Large agricultural corporations often bring dangerous chemicals to increase profits. Will this happen on Bohol?  Corporations have scientists and of course they have departments that care for the people in that corporation...  but, again,  the problem is that over and above all departments is the prime directive-(profit), and therefore all decisions are always made based of this.
    Of course  it will change the face of Bohol. But all the people of Bohol have to understand the environmental issues.  Then the people can organize themselves to make sure Bohol stays as clean and environmentally sustainable for the next century and beyond. 
    Writing letters to Korea will do nothing...  It is up to the people of Bohol to care for Bohol. I would like to hear a comment from the president of the Philippines.
   
    Again, what is wrong with large scale seaweed farming? What are the downsides and upsides to this industry?   

  Best Regards, "BC"

Charlie,

Thanks for your environmentally-concerned post. I would like to thank you for your genuine concern for Bohol's environmental fauna and ecological diversity, and the preservation of said ecology. I agree with you that there should be some kind of control on these large scale companies, especially when it concerns the natural resources of Bohol. I would be exceedingly concerned if they were cutting down the trees in Bohol or quarrying the chocolate hills, however, in this case the said Korean companies (as well as Taiwanese companies) are interested in the benthic algae, which is seaweed.

The beauty of seaweed culturing and acquisition is the fact that they consume energy via photosynthetic processes and feed of nutrients in the sea (sewage) as well as consume CO2. Farming and acquisition of seaweed is quite environmental, in the sense, in that the seaweed consumes the sewage produced by the industrial plant, as well as consumes the CO2 produced.

I did research in my undergraduate years at Allegheny College (northwestern Pennsylvania) on molecular limnology and the area of our study was on the eutrophication of specific kettle lakes and the advantitious growth of colonizing species of zebra mussels as well as benthic algae. It is evident that the growth of benthic algae has posed a risk to the health of lake environmente as it starves the local fauna , thus outcompetes the local population, a form of perfidious allelopathy. Multiple energy companies have now come to study the energy acquisition of benthic algae, specifically via Soxhlet extraction (my research advisor worked closely with the Great Lakes Limnological Society in this regard, to which I had the honor in researching with), which extracts energy in the form of petroleum ether, a form of petroleum. I being a Limnology Lab TA at the time, worked closely with the Pennsylvania Fish and Game Association in this regard, and can tell you that the United States, which is looking ever to reduce its dependence on foreign energy supply, has placed great concern in this 'future energy cultivation'.

The reason why the Koreans and the Taiwanese are so advantageous to form a deal with Bohol, in this regard , is because they lack the aquatic fauna and the diversification that Bohol has, namely, the ability to grow and cultivate this renewable resource, Seaweed, which can produce much needed natural resources.

In my honest opinion, this renewable resource, to which Bohol is not limited to, can be a means for the Philippines to sever its dependence on foreign energy supply. Let alone, be a source of capital for the Archipelagic Republic.


Best,
A. Lorenzo Lucino
:)
#27328
Music and Video / Re: For You..
October 31, 2010, 12:26:28 PM
Daddy's Home (Hey Daddy)


Baby, I just wanna get your attention
I really wanna all up in your head
Cuz when I got you don’t wanna get some yeah
But girl that’s only if you ain't scared

And I won’t knock or ring no bells
You just float bottom up in the air
I'll get you hot, I know you oh so well
And when I'm walking, all that I wanna hear

Is you say Daddy's home, Daddy's home for me
And I know you’ve been waiting for this love in your day
You know your daddy’s home (daddy’s home), and it’s time to play (so it’s time to play)
So you ain’t got to give my loving away
So all my ladies say hey hey hey daddy
Hey hey hey daddy
So all my ladies say hey hey hey daddy
Hey hey hey daddy

I ain’t gotta do a lot of flexes
Shorty you already know what it is
And girl tonight we’ll gonna do a lot of sexin’
Can’t nobody do your body like this ohh

I won’t knock or ring no bells
You just float bottom up in the air
Said I’ll get you hot, I know you oh so well
And when I’m walking all that I wanna hear

Is you say Daddy’s home, home for me
And I know you’ve been waiting for this love in your day
You know your daddy’s home (daddy’s home), it’s time to play (so it’s time to play)
So you ain’t got to give my loving away
So all my ladies say hey hey hey daddy (daddy know what you like)
Hey hey hey daddy

So all my ladies say hey hey hey daddy
Hey hey hey daddy

Poke it on out poke it out right there
I’m a fall back while you work that chair
Do that damn thing let the neighbors hear

Poke it on out poke it out right there
I’m a fall back let you work that chair
Do that damn thing all I wanna hear

Is you say Daddy’s home, home for me
And I know you’ve been waiting for this love in your day
You know your daddy’s home (daddy’s home), it’s time to play (so it’s time to play)
So you ain’t got to give my loving away

Daddy’s home, home for me
And I know you’ve been waiting for this love in your day
You know your daddy’s home (daddy’s home), it’s time to play (so it’s time to play)
So you ain’t got to give my loving away

So all my ladies say hey hey hey daddy

Hey hey hey daddy (call me daddy babe)

So all my ladies say hey hey hey daddy

Hey hey hey daddy

Hey daddy know what you like yeah
#27329
Music and Video / For You..
October 31, 2010, 12:24:42 PM
a sweet song for you (for all the women out there, that fit the description of 'sexy')

;)

"Daddy's Home" - Usher (Cover) by Napon Pintong & Andrew Kim (FREE MP3***)
#27330
Bible Study / Re: Your Favorite Biblical Figures?
October 31, 2010, 10:40:19 AM
Quote from: luckybelle on October 31, 2010, 03:22:54 AM
It would be very long.. pero sige try nako mobo lang

1. Jesus is perfect ( naa na tanan ang virtues), maayong ehemplo
2. Joseph the Dreamer, very forgiving brother maski tagbaligya sija sa ija mga igsoon but then nitabang gihapon sija in times of famine, and he's also wise ha ug dili dali matintal ug bajing katol... ;D
3. Esther, a woman of courage and faith
4. Deborah also a woman of God's strength
5. Job, very faithful sa ija God maski wala na mitoo ang tanan ug gikuhaan sija sa tanan nija kabtangan unja nag leprosy pa sija but he remain very true to his God
6. Young Samuel and his mother faithful servants of God
7. ... and many more  ;D daghan pa jud intawon.... taas na kaajo


Thank You, Belle. :)

#27331
The Importance of Farewells


One aspect of the process of dying that is not reflected in Kubler-Ross' stages or in most research on dying, but which is clearly a significant feature for the dying person and his or her family, is the process of saying farewell.

A study in Australia by sociologists Allan Kellehear and Terry Lewin (1988-1989) gave us a first exploration of such goodbyes. They interviewed 90 terminally ill cancer patients , all of whom had been told they were within a year of death, and a smaller group of 10 patients who were in hospice care and thought to be within 3 months of death. Most had known they had cancer for over a year before the interview but had only recently been given a specific short-term prognosis. Subjects were asked whether they had already said some goodbyes or intended future farewells to family and friends and, if so, when and under what circumstances. The minority (19 of the 100) said they did not plan any farewells at all. The rest had either already begun to say goodbye (22 of the 100) or had planned their farewells for the final days of their lives--deathbed goodbyes, if you will.

The early farewells often been int he form of a letter or a gift, such as giving money to a child or grandchild, or passing on personal treasures to a member of the family who might especially cherish them. One woman made dolls that she gave to friends, relatives, and hospital staff. Another knit a set of baby clothes to give to each of her daughters for the child that neither daughter had yet had.

More commonly, both planned and completed farewells were in the form of conversations. One subject asked her brother to come for a visit so that she could see and talk to him one last time; others arranged with friends for one last get-together, saying goodbye quite explicitly on these occasions. Those who anticipated saying farewell only in the last hours of their conscious life imagined these occasions to be times when loving words would be spoken or a goodbye look would be exchanged.

All such farewells, whether spoken or not, can be thought of as forms of gifts.

By saying goodbye to someone, the dying person signals that that person matters enough to warrant a farewell. Saying goodbye also serves to make the death real, to force the imminent death out of the realm of denial into acceptance by others as well as by the dying person. And finally, as Kellehear and Lewin point out, farewells may make the dying itself easier, especially if they are completed  before the final moments of life. They may make it easier for the dying person to disengage, to reach a point of acceptance.
#27332
Bible Study / Re: Proclaiming God's Kingdom
October 31, 2010, 07:01:07 AM
Amen!
#27333
God bless her for she does not fear the world, she speaks with the Wisdom of the Holy Spirit.
This is an inspiration for all of us in these times, when faith is being attacked by narrow-minded bigots.

#27334
Religiosity and Death


Religiosity, the degree of one's religious or spiritual belief. Presumably, there would be a negative correlation, the more religious one expresses, the less fear of death one should have. However, research has been mixed, and recent findings show that there is no direct relationship between religiosity an fear of death. For example, in a study of older adults (70 to 80 years of age), those who were low in religiosity and those who were high in religiosity feared death less than participants who were moderate in their religious and spiritual beliefs. It was an inverted U-shaped function. The researchers suggest that those who are high in religiosity are not anxious about death because they believe that there is an afterlife and they have earned a place there. Those low in religiosity are not anxious about death because they don't believe there is an afterlife and aren't worried about missing out any rewards.

It's just those in the middle, the moderately religious, who are anxious about death because they believe there may be an afterlife and they may not have earned a place in it (Wink & Scott, 2005).

Religiosity can be divided into two separate factors:
(1) Extrinsic religiosity is practiced by people who use religion for social purposes and as an arena for doing good deeds and
(2) Intrinsic religiosity is practiced by people who live their lives according to their religious beliefs and seek meaning in life through their religion.

In a study of older adults, extrinsic religiosity was positively related to death anxiety--those who scored higher on measures of extrinsic anxiety had higher fears of death. In addition, intrinsic religiosity had a strong positive relationship with anticipation of a better existence after death (Ardelt & Koenig, 2006).

Researchers suggest that extrinsic religiosity might be useful for middle-aged adults whose focus is social support and opportunities for generative activities, such as volunteer work within the religious community. In later years, however, intrinsic religiosity has a purpose because this is a time when actively participating in religious activities becomes difficult and the need is more for finding answers to fundamental questions of life, such as, Where did we come from? Where are we going? Why are we here? (McFadden, 2000)
#27335
Death Anxiety


The most studied aspect of attitudes toward death is death anxiety, or fear of death. This fear is strongly linked to the view of death as a loss. If we fear death, it is, in part, because we fear the loss of experience, sensation, and relationships. Fear of death may also include fear of the pain or suffering or indignity often involved in the process of death, fear that one will not be able to cope well with such pain or suffering, fear of whatever punishment may come after death, and a fundamental fear of loss of the self.
#27336
Meanings of Death:

Four meanings that death may have for adults have been identified. Typically, they are all present in any person's meaning system.

1. Death as an organizer of time

2. Death as punishment

3. Death as transition

4. Death as loss
#27337
Reference:

Bjorkland, B., R. & Bee., H., L. (2008). The Journey of Adulthood (6th ed). Upper Saddle River, NJ: Pearson Hall.
#27338
Philippine Photo Gallery / Re: The Sulu Archipelago
October 31, 2010, 04:45:02 AM
1587 to 1844: The Sulu Sultanate vs. Spain



From its first encounters with Jolo, Spain was met with stiff resistance from a highly-organized people under the Sultanate of Sulu, which had been established in 1457 by an Arab born in Johore, Shari’ful Hashem Syed Abu Bak’r. He arrived in Sulu from Melaka in 1450. The sultanate had strong ties with Borneo, which by the 15th century was under the influence of Islam.

Although Miguel Lopez de Legazpi had successfully established a colony in Cebu in May 1565, the initial push of the Spanish conquista was northwards. It was not until June 1578 that Governor General Francisco de Sande dispatched captain Esteban Rodriguez de Figueroa, together with the Jesuit priest Juan del Campo and the coadjutor Gaspar Gomez to Jolo. The result was not occupation but a negotiated compromise where the Sulu sultan paid a regular tribute in pearls. The following year, Figueroa was awarded the sole right to colonize Mindanao. In 1587, during a campaign against Borneo launched by Sande, Figueroa attacked and burned down Jolo. The Spaniards left Jolo after a few days, so they probably had had no intentions of occupation, but they were moslty securing their rear areas on their way to attack northern Borneo.

Spanish hostilities had secured the Joloanos resolve to resist Spanish intrusions. In response to attacks, raids were conducted against the settlements and reducciones organized by Spain. In 1593, the first permanent Roman Catholic mission was established on the Zamboanga Peninsula, and three years later, the Spanish Army launched another attack on Jolo, but this one was repelled by the army of Rajah Bongsu.

In November 1593, the Spanish Empire sent Juan Ronquillo to Tampakan to thwart the slave raiders. However by the following year, the Spanish Army troops had relocated to Caldera Bay (Recodo), Mindanao. In 1598, another expedition was launched against Jolo, but this one was repelled by the Joloanos.

In late 1600, Captain Juan Gallinato with a group of about 200 Spanish soldiers attacked Jolo, but this force was decimated. By 1601, after three months of heavy fighting, the Spanish troops retreated since they had been unable to capture Jolo. In 1628, a larger raiding force of about 200 Spanish army officers and 1,600 soldiers was organized to attack Jolo again - in order to break the backs of the Moslem slave raiders and traders. However, this rather-large expedition failed to take Jolo. Again on March 17, 1630, a large Spanish force of 2,500 soldiers attacked Jolo but to no avail. When its commander Lorenzo de Olazo was wounded, the Spanish troops retreated.

On January 4, 1638, de Corcuera led a naval and military expedition of about 80 ships and 2,000 troops to attack Jolo, but the Sultan Wasit carried out a stern defense. However, a serious epidemic of tropical disease developed within Sultan Wasit’s kuta army, hence he and his chieftains sought refuge in the Dungun area of Tawi-Tawi. The Spanish Army easily occupied Jolo, and a small garrison was left there to control the area.

This Spanish garrison was withered away by frequent raids launched by Sultan Wasit. By 1645, this garrison had been wasted away. This was the first time that Jolo had been occupied by the Spaniards for an appreciable length of time.

From 1663 to 1718, an interregnum of peace reigned because the Spanish troops were ordered to abandon the Zamboanga Peninsula, and all of the forts south of that - and then regroup in Manila to prepare for the impending attack of Koxinga - and attack that was never carried out.

Hostilities resumed in the 18th century and this was triggered by the decision in 1718 by Gov. Gen Juan Antonio dela Torre Bustamante to reconstruct Real Fuerza de San José in Bagumbayan, Zamboanga. The fort completed in 1719 was renamed Real Fuerza del Pilar de Zaragosa (Fort Pilar is its popular name today). The rebuilt fort was inaugurated on 16 April by Don Fernando Bustillos Bustamante Rueda, senior maestro de campo of Zamboanga. Three years later in 1722, the Spaniards were launching another expedition against Jolo. Lead by Andres Garcia, this expedition failed miserably. In 1731, General Ignacio Iriberri lead a force of 1000 solfiers to Jolo and captured it after a lengthy siege, but the Spaniards again left after a few days.

In 1755, a force of 1,900 Spanish soldiers led by the captains Simeon Valdez and Pedro Gastambide was sent to Jolo to extract revenge for the raids by Sultan Muiz ud-Din, but those Spaniards were soundly defeated. In 1775, after a Moro raid on Zamboanga, Capitan Vargas led a punitive expedition against Jolo, but his force was repulsed.

The second half of the 18th century saw a new player in the Sulu Zone. After occupying Manila from 1762 â€" 64, during the Thirty years war between Spain and Great Britain, the British Army withdrew to the south. There they established trading alliances between the Sulu Sultanate and the British East India Company. Spanish attacks on Jolo were now directed at weakening British trading interests in the south. In 1784, Aguilar conducted a series of unsuccessful assaults against Jolo and in 1796, Spanish Admiral Jose Alava was sent from Madrid with a powerful naval fleet to stop the slave-raiding attacks that had been coming from the area of the Sulu Sea. The British presence was signaled when in 1798, Fort Pilar in Zamboanga was bombarded by the British Royal Navy, which had established a base in Sulu. In 1803, Lord Arthur Wellesley, the Governor-General of India, ordered Robert J. Fraquhar to transfer trading and military operations to Balambangan island near Borneo. By 1895, the Great Britain had withdrawn its army and navy from the area of the Sulu Sea.

In 1815, there was the end of the galleon trade across the Pacific Ocean between the Philippines and Mexico, since Mexico had declared its indepencence of the Spanish Empire in 1810, and an extended war of independence had begun that lasted through 1821. Most of the rest of the Spanish-ruled areas of the Americas had also rebelled against the Spanish Empire. In 1821, the administration of the Philippine Islands was shifted directly to the Kingdom of Spain in Madrid, rather than the Philippines being ruled via the Viceroy of Mexico, since Mexico and its southern neighbors (in Central America) had won their independence from Spain. Hence the office of Viceroy of Mexico had been abolished.

The Spanish Empire sought to end the "Moro threat". In 1824, the Marina Sutil, a light and maneuverable naval force under Capitan Alonso Morgado was sent to confront the slave raiders in the Sulu Sea.

http://www.answers.com/topic/sulu-archipelago

#27339
Philippine Photo Gallery / Re: The Sulu Archipelago
October 31, 2010, 04:39:51 AM


History of the Sultanate of Sulu

The grip of the Spanish Empire on the large islands of Mindanao and Palawan, and the smaller islands to their south was always tenuous. This entire area was generally under control of the Moslem Royal Sultanate of Sulu, which was centered in northern Borneo, and which continually tried to extend the influence of Islam over the southwestern Philippines. Although as early as the 16th Century, Spanish military and naval expeditions against this Sultanate were launched, the Spanish rule over the Sulu Archipelago was generally limited to the extraction of annual tributes by the sultans to the Spanish Empire, monstly in the form of payments in the form of large numbers of the pearls that are a product of the shallow seas of this region.

An effective occupation of Jolo by the Spanish Empire did not take place until the year 1876. From the 16th century through 1898, there were in all about 16 military and naval campaigns against the sultans of the Jolos. Five of these resulting in occupations, and all except for the last one were short-lived. During just over three centuries, the Spaniards ruled Jolo for a grand total of about three decades.

http://www.answers.com/topic/sulu-archipelago
#27340
Poems and Poets / The sound of responsibility
October 31, 2010, 03:19:34 AM
The sound of responsibility



Would it pain you to know the hurt you have caused
that besides the merry of your actions,
the laughter of your raging heart,
Would it be troubling for you to know the hurt you caused

The trust she had in you her eyes filled with hope
that besides the merry of your actions,
the laughter of your raging heart,
Would it be troubling for you to know the hurt you caused

A child waiting to see his father, with bright brown eyes
that besides the merry of your actions,
the laughter of your raging heart,
Would it be troubling for you to know the hurt you caused

You see abandoning responsibility is the act of cowardice
Hold your loin cloth and take hold of the rope that you have sown
that besides the merry of your actions,
the laughter of your raging heart,
Would it be troubling for you to know the hurt you caused

Listen to hearts in whimper,
Listen to the sound of need,
Can you?
#27341
Bible Study / Re: Your Favorite Biblical Figures?
October 31, 2010, 03:12:56 AM
Quote from: luckybelle on October 31, 2010, 01:26:14 AM
1. Jesus
2. Joseph the Dreamer
3. Esther
4. Deborah
5. Job
6. Young Samuel and his mother
7. ... and many more  ;D

Belle, interested lang ko, can you give a reason why you like the following?

I would like to hear your reasoning.

:)
#27342
Music and Video / Re: I Have Nothing
October 31, 2010, 03:11:28 AM
Try Dave Matthew's "Crash Into Me"


Crash Into Me (Dave Matthews Band Lullaby Tribute)

:)
#27343
Music and Video / Re: I Have Nothing
October 31, 2010, 03:10:35 AM
Quote from: luckybelle on October 31, 2010, 03:08:46 AM
;D I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not hurt this very minute  ;)

To happier tunes then  ;D


That's more like it!
#27344
Quote from: U.S. of America on October 30, 2010, 04:56:42 PM
We Filipinos are taught in schools to get education so that we can find jobs here and abroad. In other countries, their students are taught how to start their own business and be independent.

Such a stark difference, US of A. 
#27345
Music and Video / Re: I Have Nothing
October 31, 2010, 03:06:52 AM
I am sorry to hear that, Belle.
Na, let us sing happier tunes, to diminish the pain away.
#27347
Music and Video / Re: I Have Nothing
October 31, 2010, 03:00:56 AM
lol, in that case, i suggest you yell in his ear.  ;)
Force your voice into him. You're his wife, its your right.

#27349
lol, 'as in' jud ha?

You have an excellent choice in jazz, Belle, 'as in'!   :)
#27350
Music and Video / Re: I Have Nothing
October 31, 2010, 02:54:03 AM
Of course, sweet lady, don't you know that a woman's voice--can touch the heart of any man?
prince, pauper, does not matter for a woman's voice can capture their attention.

:)
#27353
Music and Video / Re: I Have Nothing
October 31, 2010, 02:50:00 AM
below average ra, Belle, compared to a woman's voice.

#27354
Music and Video / Re: I Have Nothing
October 31, 2010, 02:44:28 AM
pariho ta duha, Belle.

Pero, okay lang, okay lang. hahaha!

sekreto na nato duha ha.

;)
#27355
Music and Video / Re: Love Story
October 31, 2010, 02:43:09 AM
lol, here's to more songs, more merry days, Belle.

May your paths be bright always!

:)
#27356
Music and Video / Re: I Have Nothing
October 31, 2010, 02:41:13 AM
hahahaha! kanta man diay oh oh! :P
Ingon sija ganina dili mo kantah.
da!
#27357
Music and Video / Re: Love Story
October 31, 2010, 02:37:03 AM
multi-talented diay noh? Am sure he gave his daughter the skill of singing...;)

#27358
Music and Video / Re: I Have Nothing
October 31, 2010, 02:36:04 AM
haha, okay lang Belle, don't worry what others think. Sing to your heart's content.. :)
#27359
Music and Video / Re: Love Story
October 31, 2010, 02:34:43 AM
ning tokar diay si manong ug ukulele?
#27360
Love Talk / Re: Do Women Need Men?
October 31, 2010, 02:33:27 AM
Quote from: gwargz on October 16, 2010, 11:23:13 PM
Both needs the other. A symbiotic relationship that is equal.

like two puzzle pieces that connect... ;)
#27361




do you?
#27362
Philippine Photo Gallery / Re: The Sulu Archipelago
October 31, 2010, 02:30:49 AM
Yes, the court in Jolo used to have emissaries to China, as well as to the many kingdoms in south east asia.
Sulu's control extended to most of southern Mindanao and even Northern Borneo.

#27363
Music and Video / Re: Love Story
October 31, 2010, 02:26:07 AM
Nice song, Belle.

The instrumental version is also sweet to the ears.

Taylor Swift - Love Story (OFFICIAL INSTRUMENTAL - SHQ)
#27364
Music and Video / Re: I Have Nothing
October 31, 2010, 01:47:33 AM
Quote from: luckybelle on October 31, 2010, 01:22:40 AM

Toink!!! Magkilat, magdalugdog.... hahahahaha... magbunok ang ulan hehehe... mabuak tanan samin ug matagak tanang tiki....  ;D  ;D  ;D busa ajaw na lang

Sweet lady, i don't think all these things will happen. Come, sing for me. :)
#27365
Bisaya Cebuano Language / Re: Binuangon Tawhana
October 31, 2010, 01:46:07 AM
hahaha, imuha na lang na, Belle. ;)
#27366
Bible Study / Re: Your Favorite Biblical Figures?
October 31, 2010, 01:42:52 AM
Simon, the Zealot.




Simon Zelotes, the eleventh apostle, was chosen by Simon Peter. He was an able man of good ancestry and lived with his family at Capernaum. He was twenty-eight years old when he became attached to the apostles. He was a fiery agitator and was also a man who spoke much without thinking. He had been a merchant in Capernaum before he turned his entire attention to the patriotic organization of the Zealots.

Simon Zelotes was given charge of the diversions and relaxation of the apostolic group, and he was a very efficient organizer of the play life and recreational activities of the twelve.

Simon's strength was his inspirational loyalty. When the apostles found a man or woman who floundered in indecision about entering the kingdom, they would send for Simon. It usually required only about fifteen minutes for this enthusiastic advocate of salvation through faith in God to settle all doubts and remove all indecision, to see a new soul born into the "liberty of faith and the joy of salvation."

Simon's great weakness was his material-mindedness. He could not quickly change himself from a Jewish nationalist to a spiritually minded internationalist. Four years was too short a time in which to make such an intellectual and emotional transformation, but Jesus was always patient with him.

The one thing about Jesus which Simon so much admired was the Master's calmness, his assurance, poise, and inexplicable composure.

Although Simon was a rabid revolutionist, a fearless firebrand of agitation, he gradually subdued his fiery nature until he became a powerful and effective preacher of "Peace on earth and good will among men." Simon was a great debater; he did like to argue. And when it came to dealing with the legalistic minds of the educated Jews or the intellectual quibblings of the Greeks, the task was always assigned to Simon.

He was a rebel by nature and an iconoclast by training, but Jesus won him for the higher concepts of the kingdom of heaven. He had always identified himself with the party of protest, but he now joined the party of progress, unlimited and eternal progression of spirit and truth. Simon was a man of intense loyalties and warm personal devotions, and he did profoundly love Jesus.

The Master had many talks with Simon, but he never fully succeeded in making an internationalist out of this ardent Jewish nationalist. Jesus often told Simon that it was proper to want to see the social, economic, and political orders improved, but he would always add: "That is not the business of the kingdom of heaven. We must be dedicated to the doing of the Father's will. Our business is to be ambassadors of a spiritual government on high, and we must not immediately concern ourselves with aught but the representation of the will and character of the divine Father who stands at the head of the government whose credentials we bear." It was all difficult for Simon to comprehend, but gradually he began to grasp something of the meaning of the Master's teaching.

After the dispersion because of the Jerusalem persecutions, Simon went into temporary retirement. He was literally crushed. As a nationalist patriot he had surrendered in deference to Jesus' teachings; now all was lost. He was in despair, but in a few years he rallied his hopes and went forth to proclaim the gospel of the kingdom.

He surrendered his fiery nationalism to preach the Good News...
He surrendered life in the mortal world, for the promises of the Eternal Kingdom of Jesus Christ.

#27367
Bible Study / Re: Your Favorite Biblical Figures?
October 31, 2010, 01:34:47 AM
Mother Mary, The Mother of The Word Made Flesh.



Mary’s already been mentioned, but I have to say a few things about her. I think that the mother of Christ gets a bad wrap in most Protestant circles because all we ever hear about is how she wasn’t sinless, wasn’t a perpetual virgin, wasn’t assumed into heaven, etc. But by focusing on the false doctrines about Mary, we miss the beautiful story that the gospels paint about her. I can’t imagine being a 16 year-old girl (or however old she was) and hearing from God that I was about to be pregnant. Mary had everything to lose from this deal. She lived in a society that was not known for its kindness towards wayward women and their illegitimate children. She must have expected that her wedding with Joseph would be lost. After all, she was about to be carrying somebody else’s baby. Plus the normal fears that every woman has about pregnancy and raising children. I mean, how do you take on the responsibility of raising up the Son of God?? Yet in the face of all of this, Mary simply says, “I’m your servant Lord; do whatever you think is best.”
What an amazing faith!!
#27368
Bible Study / Re: Your Favorite Biblical Figures?
October 31, 2010, 01:28:07 AM
Thomas, the Reluctant Believer...



Thomas. For his reluctance to believe and needing to see... And the fact that Jesus met him where he was gives me hope. Thomas had to touch the Lord to believe that He was truly resurrected…none of the other apostles needed that…but Thomas did, and Jesus accommodated him.



“Eight days later, his disciples were again in the house, and Thomas was with them. The doors were shut, but Jesus came and stood among them, and said: ‘Peace be with you.’ Then he said to Thomas, ‘Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand and place it in my side; do not be faithless, but believing.’ Thomas answered him, ‘My Lord and my God!’ Jesus said to him, ‘Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe."

--John 20:19-31

#27369
Bible Study / Re: Your Favorite Biblical Figures?
October 31, 2010, 01:20:22 AM
The demon possessed boy in Mark 9



When the man asks Jesus to help “If you can,” Jesus tells him, “Everything is possible for him who believes.” The man then tells Jesus, “I do believe; help me overcome my unbelief!”

-Mark 9


Importance:
When your faith is weak, ask for strength, when you know you are faltering, ask for guidance.
For you can do all things, through God who works through grace...
#27370
Philippine History / Re: Happy birthday Topac (Calle)
October 31, 2010, 01:11:26 AM
belated happy birthday sano!
#27371
Music and Video / Re: I Have Nothing
October 31, 2010, 01:05:26 AM
i would rather hear you sing your rendition of this song, Belle.
;)
#27372
The Ballad of The Writing Lady



She hides with festive smiles
A face of a child with teeth chagrining
oh but such a picture covers another
For there is a bright heart,
a soul repenting, that brings her to this fermenting

She writes with meloncholy a bit of Whitman's transcendentalism
a bit of varied eclectic wit that makes her point unique
The love of animals , particulary of the feline persuasion
her heart that feeds the maligned, forgotten in society's corner

She brings a happy tune, witty at that, to this corner in our abode
like a fish that swims in a hidden watery cave, a safe alcove
She comes as she goes, with whispering care
She hides her face every chance she gets,
but I tell you, she will reveal,
Or in past whispering,
Yes she will.
:)

#27373
Quote from: chicogon on October 31, 2010, 12:43:34 AM
I was right then when I said (sa laing thread) that people these days are very poetic... morag makatakod baya na hehehe  :D



haha na poetic kai bugnaw man gud sa gawas, Father.
Ug mo suwat ta balak, ma init ang kasingkasing.
;)
#27374
Cars and Automotive / Re: Ang galing nang 4x4
October 31, 2010, 12:55:15 AM
wow, Range Rover. Mahal pero guapo jud!
#27375
Music and Video / Re: Hey Daddy (Daddy's Home) Remix
October 31, 2010, 12:54:39 AM
Beautiful, beautiful rendition.

Please listen from start to finish.


"Daddy's Home"

:D

"Daddy's Home" - Usher (Cover) by Napon Pintong & Andrew Kim (FREE MP3***)
#27376
Music and Video / Re: I Have Nothing
October 31, 2010, 12:54:02 AM
hehehe, sweet music.

thanks for posting, sweet lady.

:)
#27377
Hahaha, come le chef Isles de Bohol Sur, come sit with us
For we are filled with glee
At your cooking master-y

Hahaha, come engineer de nauticos Bugsay le paddle, come sit with us
For we are amazed at the isda you caught
happy we would be at small, but such large fish you brought

Come, feast with us, as we watch the stars in the night.
Yes, even the baki that sits lonely by fire light.
Come also , a fly or two I shall prepare.

:)
#27378
i shall continue to write poems beloved priest,
if you but continue to adore us with wonderful songs
let yuletide melody ring amongst us all

For it is in joy and brotherly love that we are one
let harmony sing in the halls
and let the sinugbang isda 'keep on coming'
#27379
Quote from: chicogon on October 31, 2010, 12:23:55 AM
Aw!  ;D Am glad "I was only joking, my dear... looking for a way to hide my fears." (Rod Stewart)  ;)



fear not singing priest adored by many,
for there is beauty in a joke lighted by a smile
come, let us eat sinugbang isda , recently caught
By the nautical engineer that is bugsay de valencia

prepared by our teacher-cook, Isles de Bohol Sur.

;D
#27380
Mechanical Engineer:



Mechanical engineers research, develop, design, manufacture, and test tools, engines, machines, and other mechanical devices. They work on power-producing machines such as electric generators, internal combustion engines, and steam and gas turbines. They also develop power-using machines such as refrigeration and air-conditioning equipment, machine tools, material handling systems, elevators and escalators, industrial production equipment, and robots used in manufacturing. Mechanical engineers also design tools that other engineers need for their work. The field of nanotechnology, which involves the creation of high-performance materials and components by integrating atoms and molecules, is introducing entirely new principles to the design process.

Computers assist mechanical engineers by accurately and efficiently performing computations, and by permitting the modeling and simulation of new designs as well as facilitating changes to existing designs. Computer-Aided Design (CAD) and Computer-Aided Manufacturing (CAM) are used for design data processing and for turning the design into a product.

Mechanical engineers work in many industries, and their work varies by industry and function. Some specialize in energy systems; applied mechanics; automotive design; manufacturing; materials; plant engineering and maintenance; pressure vessels and piping; and heating, refrigeration, and air-conditioning systems. Mechanical engineering is one of the broadest engineering disciplines. Mechanical engineers may work in production operations in manufacturing or agriculture, maintenance, or technical sales; many are administrators or managers.

http://www.collegegrad.com/careers/proft17.shtml


Average earnings: $65-$70k+
#27381
Automotive Engineer:

Automotive Engineer
Description

Since the beginning of the twentieth century, automobiles have entered the lives and livelihoods of almost everyone. They are the most convenient invention since the bicycle. Ford, Toyota, BMW, Saab, Honda and General Motors are a few examples of large automobile companies that produce new vehicles annually. Cars have enabled people to do so many more things and travel around quicker than we used to. We have become so accustomed to this luxury that we sometimes take for granted that there are people who design and make cars for our efficiency, convenience and safety.

These people are automotive engineers and many of us owe our "post-license" lives to their speedy creations. Remember that when you drive a new car off a dealership lot, you are taking with you the research, design and efforts of several engineers -- the automotive engineer in particular. Automotive engineers research, design, evaluate, install, operate and maintain automotive products, equipment, systems and processes. They develop new or improved designs for automobiles including the structure, engine and transmission, to name a few. If it were not for automotive engineers, our world would have no safe or modern automobiles . . . imagine that!

An automotive engineer's primary objective is to develop components and systems that provide maximum customer value at minimum cost, thereby promoting the enterprise's profitability. Some automotive engineers focus on one area of their specialty while others have the opportunity to participate in all aspects of the product development process, playing a more general role. Sometimes, the engineer will go as far as working directly with customers, learning from focus groups and marketing specialists to develop a concept or find out what people want in an automobile. The automotive engineer will also work with suppliers, manufacturing and assembly specialists while designing the components or systems.

Most automotive engineers specialize in a particular area once they become established. Specialty areas such as structural design, exhaust systems and engines are a few different options. Nevertheless, all specialized automotive engineers perform similar duties in at least one of three general areas: research, design and testing. Researchers formulate theories and generate innovative ideas using mathematical and scientific projections and determining whether or not a plan will work. Designers take research products and put them into practice, trying to manufacture them. Testers literally test the products for safety and quality before they hit the marketplace. In smaller, independent engineering firms, automotive engineers may do all three of these tasks.

Automotive engineers meet with car manufacturers, lawyers and clients and make sure that design plans are safe and will withstand a number of conditional variables. Safety is one of the most important issues that automotive engineers must contend with. Automobile engineers must keep in mind the lives of people when designing and take into account the importance of accuracy. They create engineering plans on computers which test and predict possible errors and problems with an automobile and in this, they generate workable solutions. Although the design work takes place on the computer, many automotive engineers travel to factories or automotive plants to see their work in progress.

Automotive engineers use traditional and high-tech tools to solve problems and meet challenges such as recalled auto parts or safety features. They are required to constantly update their skills and knowledge in order to keep up with technological advancements in this quickly changing field.

http://www.schoolsintheusa.com/careerprofiles_details.cfm?carid=108


Average Earnings: $41k
#27382
lol, nautical engineer sigoro, Father. hahaha

:P
#27383
Bisaya Cebuano Language / Re: Haiku Sa Ka Tugnaw
October 31, 2010, 12:18:15 AM
Haiku For A Singing Priest





Voice is beautiful
Guitar on hand he sings soon
Lyrics compounding
#27384
Bisaya Cebuano Language / Re: Haiku Sa Ka Tugnaw
October 31, 2010, 12:16:22 AM
Lipay ang dughan
Saka ta sa langit jud
Gugmahon ang laki
#27385
Bisaya Cebuano Language / Re: Puydi ma tug ta sa dagat?
October 31, 2010, 12:15:03 AM
Quote from: chicogon on October 31, 2010, 12:07:43 AM
Unsay kataw? Tirong? Hehehe


lol, i overheard a man from Pintuyan, Southern Leyte use this term.
I never heard it before and thus inquired about its meaning.
His answer was, "Pariho ra pood na sa sirena."
Mermaid.

Laom kaajo ning binisaya. So many deep meaning words.
#27386
hehe !

An automotive engineer specializes and deals specifically with the automobile's engines, brakes, suspensions, gears, fluids etc.

A mechanical engineer , like most professional engineers, studies structural physics, fluid mechanics, quantum physics, and deals with the machine, the gear processes; his area of expertise focuses on machines in general, the operation, and study of. A mechanical engineer is also , usually, higher paid.

A mechanical engineer in the United States (with a bachelor's degree) can start with a salary between $60-65k.
With a master's or doctoral degree in mechanical engineering, one can be a lead designer for a firm and start anywhere between $120-150k+

In the United States, if you are an engineer, you will always find a high-paying job. :)
#27387
Philippine Photo Gallery / Re: The Sulu Archipelago
October 31, 2010, 12:04:30 AM
Who needs to go to China or Vietnam to see this?
It is already in the Philippines--in Sulu Waters..

#27388
Philippine Photo Gallery / Re: The Sulu Archipelago
October 31, 2010, 12:03:13 AM


#27389
Philippine Photo Gallery / Re: The Sulu Archipelago
October 31, 2010, 12:01:04 AM
Quote from: jorgeanna on October 30, 2010, 08:06:47 PM
Sultan Kiram's residence is near (atbang gyud) my grandfather's house sa Jolo, although i dont know them personally kay the last time I visited Jolo way back 1994, house arrest ko kay hadlok akong lolo sa akong safety and security....

Indeed the beaches are perfect although, dli tanan ang develop gyud kay walay magdugay nga investors didto....

I support the Sultanate's claim of Sabah. Before the war with Manila , i was told that Sulu was rich and quite developed. The unfortunate military actions there have caused quite the stir. Sulu is quite strategic because it is our southern gate.

There are undocumented thousands of Filipino-Malaysian-Indonesian interchanges there to this day. Centuries ago, Anna, Sulu was the richest region in the Philippines as it was in the crossroads of China, and the Malay Moluccas.
#27390
Philippine Photo Gallery / Re: The Sulu Archipelago
October 30, 2010, 11:56:38 PM
Quote from: jorgeanna on October 30, 2010, 08:06:47 PM
Sultan Kiram's residence is near (atbang gyud) my grandfather's house sa Jolo, although i dont know them personally kay the last time I visited Jolo way back 1994, house arrest ko kay hadlok akong lolo sa akong safety and security....

Indeed the beaches are perfect although, dli tanan ang develop gyud kay walay magdugay nga investors didto....


When I visited Bohol this summer, my Uncle Roger showed me the Kriss. We had to go upstairs because of the ornamental weight as well as the 20lb steel. Its decorative handle has the head of the Naga, the seven-headed dragon in old hindu folklore. The blade is jagged yet perfectly shaped and still retains its sharp teeth.

I requested if I could hold it, and unsheath it. My uncle helped me do so, it was an amazing experience. It requires two hands to properly handle a kriss that size. One could have cut a man in half easily ; or sever a head from one's shoulders with that Kriss.
The ornaments were adorned with gold, green jade, as well as pearl.

This was the gift of his late Majesty, Sultan Kiram...

I want to take possession of that Kriss someday.
#27391
Bisaya Cebuano Language / Re: Binuangon Tawhana
October 30, 2010, 11:46:45 PM

8)

Gawas sa sapa
Ang princessa gi hag-kan
Lipay ang dug-han.


:D
#27392
Bisaya Cebuano Language / Puydi ma tug ta sa dagat?
October 30, 2010, 11:37:59 PM
Puydi ma tug ta sa dagat?






Naay isang gamay na bata sa dagat
Kalingaw jud ni sija mo duwa diri
Ingon sija , "Nay puydi ba tug ko diri?"

"Unsa?" ingon ijang inahan.
"Na bu-ang na ba ka?"
Wa ning tug ang bata sa dagat

Sa gabii ning adto balik
Ning lakaw sija ra jud
Higda sa dagat, katugun na
Pero gi kuha sija tawon
Gi kuha sa kataw

Sa ugma na bu-ang ang inahan
Wala ka kita sa ijang anak
Kit an raman diay
Intawn na lunod

Mao lagi, ajaw na lang tug sa dagat
Kai ang kataw ning huwat sa gabii.


#27393
Bisaya Cebuano Language / Re: Binuangon Tawhana
October 30, 2010, 11:26:44 PM
hahahaha hadlok pood ta ana, mo dagan ang baki dili mo gawas jud sa ugma.

:P
#27394
Bisaya Cebuano Language / Re: Binuangon Tawhana
October 30, 2010, 11:23:44 PM
Haiku Sa Isang Baking Nahadlok


Ning ambak baki
Laom sa sapa naa sija
Mo gawas ugma
#27395
Bisaya Cebuano Language / Haiku Sa Ka Tugnaw
October 30, 2010, 11:20:29 PM
Leaves fall from the tree
Chilling winds brush the face hard
Let's light a fire now
#27396
Bisaya Cebuano Language / Hangbongon Naman Diay Karon
October 30, 2010, 11:12:39 PM
Karong panahona na hagbong na ang mga leaves
Kujawa baja ang puwa allegre na kaajo

Tugnaw na pood ning panahona pariho rapood
Sa tawo gi duslak sa ice cone sa likod


#27397
Isang Tawhana Mo Hilabot Sa Kasing-Kasing







Ka ingon ta tanan tawo diri sa kalibutan kahibalo sa lipay kasingkasing
Ang rason sa atong gi gilok gilok, ang rason sa lipay sa isang simpletong taw
Pero dili diay.

Naa man pood diay ning claseng tawhana nga gusto mo hilabot sa ubang tawo
Ilang i dautan ilang mensahe, ilang ipakatawaan ang inocenteng kasingkasing
Ngano man ni sila ing ana man?
Sigoro na sakitan sila sa una?
Sigoro na wad-an sila sa ilang ginagugmahan?

Pero imbes ma suko ta nila, dili na lang
Ampo na lang ta tanan para nila kai luoy baja sila
Mao sigoro ang rason kalingaw sila mo respondar sa ubang tawo
Na sige, ampo na lang ta para nila.

Para nimo, kahibalo ka kinsa ka, ajaw na lang pag binuangon
Ajaw na lang pag bastosbastoson kai dili man na maajo ibuhaton
Ang Ginoo naa nako, Ang Ginoo naa pood nimo
Mao ra sigoro na , Mao ra sigoro.

#27398
Bisaya Cebuano Language / Binuangon Tawhana
October 30, 2010, 10:55:04 PM
Ngano mag binuang binuang man ka kalingaw?
Ug di ta tubag nimo , mo apas ra pood ka sa ahong gi sinultian
Ug mo adto ko sa bukid, mo uban gihapon ka
Adto ko sa sawang, adto gihapon pood

Na unsa naman ni?

Puydi ba na lang ajaw pang apas apas nako
Dili man intawn ta gusto mag pa dautan
Pero tanan sa imong i hisgutan o tanan imong mga sinultian
puro man ug dautan, buangon , walang substansya ba

Na unsa naman ni?

Para nalang sa ako, ajaw na lang ko hilabti
Palihug nalang ha, bongit-itoy
:P

Na unsa naman ni?



#27399
Bisaya Cebuano Language / Re: -Abi Sabta-
October 30, 2010, 10:48:05 PM
I want to get back to the original poem. Thank You.


(Binisayang Illongo, attempt)


Inday,


Tane alibangbang na lang ako,
bisan gab-e usuyon,
lupad pakadto sa imo
Malipay ako kon banig ka
Ako mahigda sa imo,
batyagon ang haplas sang panit mo

Nahidlaw na gid ako sa imo...
Singgit sang dughan kag ulo
Ngaa bala may duta kag tubig pa nga
napatunga sa aton nga duwa?
Abi sabta....
#27400
Bisaya Cebuano Language / Re: -Abi Sabta-
October 30, 2010, 10:44:38 PM
Quote from: BolBuhol on October 30, 2010, 06:20:35 PM
indi man ako pagi.....

ini gid paambit ko......


abaw kon mag alibangbang ka man mawad an gid  ko sang kalipay gid ya indi ko man masudong sang katahom  mo gid daw baktin namorok mong aping bla
indi gid ko tahod manogbanig  pangsut gid ang baho gid ya 

paglaylayon ko gid kon kari ka diri
hambal ko gid diin ka man subong magayo kang obra agud para sagud mo tinguha naton dua

hingamo sang inyo

bolbuhol


Bol, ang balak ito ay beginner-beginner naman gid para sa akon. estudyante pa ako sa hiligaynon, pero, salamat sang response.

:)