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Better a little with the fear of the LORD than great wealth with turmoil.

Proverbs 15:16

The evil deeds of a wicked man ensnare him; the cords of his sin hold him fast. He will die for lack of discipline, led astray by his own great folly.

-Proverbs 5:22-23

The lions may grow weak and hungry, but those who seek the LORD lack no good thing.

-Psalm 34:10

1 Corinthians chapter 6


15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and make them members of a harlot? Certainly not!
16 Or do you not know that he who is joined to a harlot is one body with her? For “the two,” He says, “shall become one flesh.”
17 But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit with Him.
18 Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body.
19 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?
20 For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s.


Hurting one's self, killing one's self is an affront of the Holy Spirit.
Our Bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit.

   1. 1 Corinthians 10:31 reveal that the Holy Spirit dwells in those who are saved. It is our responsibility to treat Him with respect, and suicide is not appropriate.

   2. Genesis 1:26,27 (and similar verses) reveal that we are made in the image of God. This is one of the reasons we are not allowed to murder (see Genesis 9:6,7), so again suicide would be a bad thing.

   3. The Bible teaches us to trust, depend on, and believe in God throughout its length. (Romans 8:28 is one example.) To take your own life would show no faith in God. Notice that although the prophets, apostles, and Jesus Christ were persecuted, tortured, and put to death; they did not commit suicide for an “easy out.” They “fought the good fight” to the end (see 2 Timothy 4:6-8).

   4. Be aware of how suicide affects other people’s opinion of the person who died. It is common for people to wonder if someone who commits suicide went to heaven. That is a poor testimony for a “Christian warrior.”

There is no defense of sin. No defense against a counter , a direct counter of the Word of God.

Kining situwason nimo, Raquel, physiology man na kai after you give birth, your hormone levels , specifically your progesterone and estrogen levels are incredibly unbalanced, namely the fact that progesterone was necessary to maintain the pregnancy. All of the sudden, at the expulsion of the child from your body, your endocrine aparatus no longer is required to produce such high levels of progesterone as well as estrogen. So the levels fall. This abrupt fall in hormones triggers a dopamine effect. The increase dopamine is physiologically needed as it works in conjunction with prolactin, oxytocin in order to produce maternal milk for the child. The rapid fall in progesterone, estrogen levels and sharp increase in dopamine is responsible for the symptoms of depression. In this case, it is called post-partum depression (post partum blues).

Clinically, the effects of depression is an altered mental status. But the levels of depression differs and symptoms differ as well. In cases of acute manic episodes, one's mental state / state of mind is hindered.

In the case of Angelo Reyes, could his suicide be due to an acute manic episode? Possibly? It could have been. Possibly. However, in cases of acute manic episodes , one looses the state of reality, and cannot differentiate what is real and unreal. This could even fall in line in the diagnosis of a acute schizoid / brief schizotypal disorder. Functionality of persons with such incidences is dim to none.

Reyes was able to drive to his late mother's grave that day. Days prior he conversed with his family, ate with them, and even wrote a letter of apology for what he was going to due. This means that there was no altered mental status. He was in his right frame of mind.

For persons with depression, the level of clinical depression , as i said earlier, depends on symptomology. In your case, you thought of hurting yourself, but the very fact that you feared bathing your son in case of a suicidal incident, indicates a minimally altered mental status. Your control of the situation, your condition and your management of symptoms proves you had efficent control. Management in your case was praying and reading catholic material. Psychologically speaking , positive reinforcement helps to deter negative actions. Your innate religiosity, positive religious factors, played a role in the psychodynamic control of symptoms.

In regards to Reyes , he also had control. Had he no control, he would not have been able to write a letter, nor function properly without the noticing of his family and friends. He had will and he had intent. He knew what he was doing, he knew the consequence of his actions, yet he did it anyway.

He was a liar. A corrupt official who cooperated with corrupt leaders at the expense of the people. He was proud. Proud enough to protect his identity , proud that he did not want to suffer a judicial hearing before the Courta Suprema sa Filipinas. And he was a murderer. He killed himself.
He entered eternity in a state of disgrace. Had he feared his God, he would have known that God's Judgement was far more severe than man's law and man's justice.



Revelations 21: 7-8 says,
7 The one who conquers will have this heritage, and I will be his God and he will be my son. 8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.

Randy Pausch's; A Final Farewell

Randy Pausch Last Lecture: Achieving Your Childhood Dreams

Powerful!

Honor and Excellence (Prof. Monsod's last lecture to her class)

hilarious

Orville the Filipino nurse

What a promotion! Permanent Representative to the United Nations. Talk about Job Security. 

So who was Socrates?

Most of what we do know about Socrates comes from the writings of another very important person in Greek history, Plato. Both Socrates and Plato were very important Greek philosophers of ancient Greece.

Socrates was a Greek philosopher who is to this day, widely credited for laying the foundation for Western philosophy. Socrates' most important philosophy, from what we know gathered from Plato’s writings, were: the necessity of doing what one thinks is right even in the face of universal opposition, and the need to pursue knowledge even when opposed. Socrates’ main mission was to educate the citizens of Athens.

Socrates actually wrote nothing, because he felt that knowledge was something to be gained by living and interacting in the world. He had several dialogues with the people of that time, and his philosophical inquiries of the people consisted of questioning them on the positions they held on certain ideas, to the point of having them contradict themselves, therefore showing them that what they originally asserted to be true, was in fact not the case. Basically, in all dialogues he had with others, he was cross-examining them, in order that they would look deeper within themselves, and to show them that they actually knew nothing at all. In fact, Socrates himself radically proclaimed to know nothing at all but that he knows nothing about anything.

Socrates was regarded as a teacher by others, but he did not think that of himself. He also refused payment for any of his work with students and many of them were very loyal to him. The parents of said youths were said to often be displeased with his influence upon them, and his earlier association with opponents of the democratic organization had already made him a controversial political figure.

Although the amnesty of 405 forestalled prosecution of his political activities, an Athenian jury charged Socrates for corrupting the youth and interfering with the religion of the city of Athens and sentenced him to death in 399 B.C.E. Socrates admitted in court that he could have avoided the trial by abandoning his philosophy and going home to mind his own business, and even after his conviction, he could have avoided the death penalty by escaping with the help of his friends. However, he did not argue the death penalty, and instead accepted it with extreme grace. The way in which he was put to death was that he was instructed to drink Hemlock, which is a poisonous plant. Once he drank it, he fell asleep and died in the company of his friends and disciples.

http://www.suite101.com/content/who-is-socrates-a16807

Quote from: chicogon on February 20, 2011, 04:59:10 AM
I rest my case. Now I know why some people go on despair and some even to the point of jumping onto the cliff. Care to join me? LoL 

lol. so long as the cliff is no higher than 40 feet, and so long as there is water underneath the cliff (deep enough to survive the fall).

haha. c'mon nong. you asked me about my declarative. i gave you the primary source. and now you're getting all side-tracked.



aguy, here we go again with the quotations / indirect remarks.

Quote from: chicogon on February 20, 2011, 04:59:10 AM
I rest my case. Now I know why some people go on despair and some even to the point of jumping onto the cliff. Care to join me? LoL 

Ajaw pood, Fr. The point that I was making to Nong H was that the basis of earlier declarative was from Revelations Chapter 21.

From my understanding, suicide is murder. Self murder. Diba?

Hence my emphasis in its inclusion. However, since the Church issued ammendments on Suicide, we are now secured that perdition isn't immediate for suicide cases. Since there is a possibility of being placed in purgatory. But do you understand where I saw my point--using Revelation Chapter 21, verses 7 to 8 as a primary source. ?

Jesus Christ is directly telling St John the Divine of the things to come.

Hence its inclusion in the Holy Bible , as compiled by the same Roman Catholic Church.

Christ's Word are not ravings, from last I remember, but the basis of All Things.

Dili na ravings, Nong. From The Holy Bible, Nong. Direct passage.

From the Catholic Holy Bible, Nong.


And The Lord said unto me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment.  The one who conquers will have this heritage, and I will be his God and he will be my son. But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

Revelation 21: 7-8

http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/revelation/revelation21.htm

What does Revelation say, Nong? What does the Book of Revelation Chapter 21 say, Nong?



And The Lord said unto me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment.  The one who conquers will have this heritage, and I will be his God and he will be my son. But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

Revelation 21: 7-8

http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/revelation/revelation21.htm

From odlanyer:

Easy way out. I don't mean to disrespect him but that's how I feel about this. I don't believed that GMA has nothing to do with these corruptions. These things has been happening for a long long time. It was just being ignored because of their cuts.
If he live, he don't have a choice but to tell and implicate those people involved and I'm pretty sure he's trying to avoid doing that.
Corruption in the Philippines is a cancer with no panacea. It is in an advance decaying stage. Hopeless. Sorry to say.

http://ph.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110208232928AACnXa5

This response was from kemjiu in response to the question " why did Angelo Reyes commit suicide" ?

Guilt's are the worst thing that maybe didn't make him rest a while, it keep his thoughts loaded by shame and embarrassment that he give within himself, his family, friends and government institution that he is working with during his active service.

Such action prove his selfishness because he didn't even bother to clean his name, but we can't assume and fully understood what's really behind on him about said actions, maybe deeply, there are something more that this scandalous issue may divulge towards him and people's involve, and ending his life will not going to submerge other people into the grave of disgrace.

The question is, is such action really helps, I think NO.

http://ph.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110208232928AACnXa5

It is just lately when Senator Miriam Defensor-Santiago regarded the AFP's retired Secretary General Angelo Reyes as "a dead man walking", because of his involvement in the recently unveiled corruption in AFP funds. Today, people are staggered upon hearing the news telling that Angelo Reyes is dead. He is dead not because he was killed but rather he committed suicide.

Earlier today, at exactly 8:32 in the morning, retired General Angelo Reyes of AFP was declared dead by the Quirino hospital doctors who tried to save his life. He was brought to the hospital by concerned citizens who found him wounded and blooded at the Loyola Memorial Park at around 7:00 this morning. According to the witnesses, the General shot himself right in front of his parents' grave.

People are now asking if what makes the ex-general killed himself. Would it be the recent AFP issue involving himself? Does it mean he is guilty as charged?

When Sen. Miriam Defensor-Santiago said the Reyes is a "dead man walking", for sure the secretary did not think of the general's actual death. It is just a metaphor that somehow portrays the current and future life Reyes has and is supposed to face. And somehow, Santiago's words coincide on the latest suicidal act of General Reyes. Perhaps, Reyes thought that there is no way for him to escape from being punished. But that is, if he really thought he is guilty as charged.

Just with the testimony given by Commission On Audit (COA) auditor Heidi Mendoza, people can tell how credible the accusation against the ex-generals of AFP is. And basing on the replies of the accused personnel during the Senate hearings, people can also sense a lie. Yet, they remained consistent with their answer that goes, "Sorry, I couldn't remember." Therefore, it is more than just an accusation. It is but the truth that these whistleblowers and witnesses are trying to disclose, to let all Filipinos become aware of it.

The truth regarding corruption in military funds is now becoming a widespread buzz online and offline. As a matter of fact, this issue has already reached the United Nations, where AFP's Php200 million fund really came from. It was given as UN's donation for the Armed Forces of the Philippines, for the betterment of the Philippine army. But the leaking issue on AFP fund scam has really disappointed the United Nations, saying that their donation was just misused. Like the Philippines, the United Nations is also conducting relevant investigation on this matter.

Considering that not only the Philippines' Senate Blue Ribbon Committee is investigating the issue, maybe Reyes came to realize that he has no escape. Perhaps, he could neither sleep nor eat. As an ex-military, he only has two possible alternatives, either admit it and be punished or end everything by killing himself. He made up his mind and today, he chose to do the latter. And now Angelo Reyes is dead.

http://ezinearticles.com/?What-Triggers-Ex-Secretary-General-Angelo-Reyes-Suicidal-Act?&id=5878675

So you are saying that Revelations holds no standing? Nor does the passage from 1 John?

Dili ni jamama ahong gi tugan, Nong. Basis ni sa Biblical passage. Dili Protestant Bible , by the way, but from the Catholic one.

Tho there really is no difference in Protestant and Catholic versions of the bible in regards to the passages in Book of Revelation.

Quote from: chicogon on February 20, 2011, 04:20:14 AM
If you call me Chic and him Hubag, then maybe we're one and the same. 

Hubagang Chic woi!!! 

I must say that that is the first time I ever heard of that term, 'Hubagang Chic', Father. Isn't that a term for a pregnant woman?
lol joke! 

Unforgiveness is the single most popular poison that the enemy uses against God's people, and it is one of the deadliest poisons a person can take spiritually. It causes everything from mental depression, to health problems such as cancer and arthritis. I'm not saying that in every single case of cancer, it is due to unforgiveness, but I am saying that it can cause cancer. Cancer comes from the devil, scientist can't explain it, doctors don't understand where it comes from; it's the symptoms of a curse. God allowed the Israelites to face diseases and sickness when they disobeyed Him (Deut 28:58-61), and when they would turn back to Him, He would heal their land and take sickness from their midst (Exodus 23:25, Deut 7:15). In the New Testament, Jesus gave us two commandments (Matthew 22:37-40), and if we break those, we can be opened up to curses, just as the people in the Old Testament were. Jesus never came to abolish the law (Matthew 5:17), but He did come to set us free from the curse of the law (Galatians 3:13), meaning, Jesus paid the price so we can be set free from any curses we may have come under.


Two commandments given to us by God

Matthew 22:37-40, "Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."

Jesus gave us very important commandments to follow; one of them was to love one another, as He has loved us (John 15:12). Love is the exact opposite of unforgiveness, envy, jealousy, hate, pride and bitterness. You can't truly love somebody and hold bitterness or unforgiveness against him or her at the same time.

Unforgiveness opens us up to the tormentors (the devil)

Matthew 18:23-35, "Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants. And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents. But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made. The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt. But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took [him] by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest. And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt. So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done. Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me: Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee? And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses."


Unforgiveness can defile a person

Hebrews 12:15, "...lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled."

Notice at the end it says, "many be defiled." This is a VERY common, if not one of the most common everyday things that defile people! Many bondages can be shed when a person forgives those who have wronged him or her.


http://www.greatbiblestudy.com/unforgiveness_poison.php

No one is God but God, Nong. Correctohon lang ka nako in case your mind is a bit off.

No you are not like Fr. Roel. That is true.




Back to the topic.

Holy Father Pope John Paul II, also known as Karol Wojtyla.

i think this one will give a better clue.

a very blessed man.

do you know who this man is?

by: Denise Noblet

Peace
Begins in my heart
And soars beyond the horizon
A golden thread
Between the moment
And what is to come.

by Denise Levertov



A voice from the dark called out,
“The poets must give us
imagination of peace, to oust the intense, familiar
imagination of disaster. Peace, not only
the absence of war.”

But peace, like a poem,
is not there ahead of itself,
can’t be imagined before it is made,
can’t be known except
in the words of its making,
grammar of justice,
syntax of mutual aid.

A feeling towards it,
dimly sensing a rhythm, is all we have
until we begin to utter its metaphors,
learning them as we speak.

A line of peace might appear
if we restructured the sentence our lives are making,
revoked its reaffirmation of profit and power,
questioned our needs, allowed
long pauses. . . .

A cadence of peace might balance its weight
on that different fulcrum; peace, a presence,
an energy field more intense than war,
might pulse then,
stanza by stanza into the world,
each act of living
one of its words, each word
a vibration of lightâ€"facets
of the forming crystal.

Quote from: weemall on February 11, 2011, 03:45:38 PM
It was really frustrating, for me, as a Filipino that he killed himself just like that. i think it was an easy way out for him, so frustrating, because the truth didnt come up. and what about the high hierarchy of the corrupt people behind of Mr. Reyes? will just laugh out loud kasi abswelto na naman sila? God Bless, Philippines!

No he did not. He died without honor. There is no honor in suicide.

An honorable death is Jesus on the Cross. Dying for those who are not deservant of life.

An honorable death is that of Pope John Paul II, who died preaching , and who forgave his would be assassin Mehmet Ali Ağca , even befriending him in the process.

Quote from: chicogon on February 20, 2011, 03:47:20 AM
Thank you. The next time you decide to go back UP again to enjoy mountaineering, please bring us along. While misery loves company, so do adventure and enlightenment!!! Let's bring the Dalai Lama along!!! 

Hahaha. Just for you, Pops.

Trust me, I tried, Nong. I was done with you long ago, but something within me thought that differences could be put aside, and hostilities ceased. The case here is not me, but you.

But, as in the case of Angelo Reyes, one cannot resuscitate what is already gone.

Quote from: hubag bohol on February 20, 2011, 03:35:45 AM
I think you're pretentious only as far as this forum goes. I don't discount the possibility that, in person, you will strike me as even more so.

You have every right to think and believe what you chose to believe, Nong.
I said all that I had to say.

I respect that there will always be differences. Note that civility will be initiated.

Mike. There is no need to lock this thread. It should remain open for us to discuss the subject matter.

I will no longer entertain unrelated material in this thread.

Let us get back to the subject.

Quote from: chicogon on February 20, 2011, 03:29:59 AM
Amen!!! 

Kadugayan moluhod na jud ko ani kay magsige na lang tag ingon ug "amen."

It's good to admit sa atong pagka tawhanon and dare not tread on something which has not been assigned to us.

"For fools rush in where angels fear to tread"

You are right. I will acquiesce to this. I have been soundly corrected.

Quote from: hubag bohol on February 20, 2011, 03:29:40 AM
Really? Bwahaha!

Of course. Tubag Bohol Dot Com is different from other forums.

This forum brings out the bright minds. This is why this forum is continuing to stay strong even after 4 years of existence.

Tubag Bohol thrives on intellectual minds.

You yourself, Nong, are an intellectual.

Quote from: hubag bohol on February 20, 2011, 03:21:14 AM
Do I have to repeat it that I don't need your respect? Give that respect to yourself, maybe it will be better appreciated.

You say that you are just an average individual. You are absolutely right. It is not the fact of sharing information that makes you pretentious, but the way you do so. But then again, you probably have to live a little bit longer to understand what I'm saying.

If i may have sounded pretentious to you, Nong, please know that it was not intended to be pretentious. Perhaps you should not judge me as pretentious intellectually when you have not ever met me, nor ever talked to me face to face.

This forum does not define us as individuals. Nor does it show everything that we do, believe in, and fight for.

Even if you do not deserve my respect, the fact that you are older than I , is requirement to give my respect.

I was raised in the Boholano way, of showing filial piety. Respect for elders.

Thank you for your view, and I hope that we can now behave more civilly with each other.

I take everything you say into consideration.

Truly.

Quote from: chicogon on February 20, 2011, 03:17:37 AM
I will hug and "amen" you when you get down from that pedestal. Misery loves company. And it's hot in here, boy. Come down and join the madla!!! 

hahaha. Fr. but i am shorter than you. Wa lagi ko sa pedestal.

How can a poor student, inundated with medical loan debt, stressed with work, and being grilled constantly by his superiors ever be in a pedestal?

i am officially a slave at work.

~~

but any case, so long as i get to sit next to you, then let me be miserable with you.

so long as you give me a san miguel beer ha? (just like the time that night with the PUPPIES).

Quote from: TUBAGBOHOL.com on February 20, 2011, 03:10:13 AM
Estorya-estorya lang gud ta. Magbayloay sa mga huna-huna ug pangindahay. Bisan ug usahay managlahi ang atong gituohan, ipabilin gihapon ang atong pagkamanaghigalaay.

Mahitungod sa kaso ni Angelo Reyes, murag lisud e-conclude kung asa siya ibutang sa Ginoo kay we are mere mortals and creations of God. Dili pud ko makaingon gani nga mahilangit si Dr. Jose Rizal. Dili pud ko makaingon nga ma-impyerno si Hitler. Adto na ni nato mahibaloan sa gitawag ug "Day of Judgment" when God will exercise His authority as the one and only Judge.

Pero kabahin sa kaluwasan, adunay assurance nga gihatag ang Ginoo. Ato ning mahinuktokan sa dihang miingon si Jesus sa usa ka ka-watan (kadtong ka-watan nga mituo ni Jesus) gilansang tupad sa Iyang kilid didto sa krus sa Kalbaryo: "And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise." (King James Version)

Sa Bisaya miingon si Jesus: "Sa pagkatinuod, sa pagkatinuod, magaingon ako kanimo, karong adlawa mahiuban ka nako ngadto sa paraiso."

Buhi pa ang maong tawo ug aduna na siyay kasigurohan sa kaluwasan.

Pero mahitungod sa pagkalaglag sa kalag ngadto sa impyerno, kitang tawo dili ta katugkad sa huna-huna sa Ginoo. Kay Siya man ang naay gitawag ug "final say." Ug Siya lang pud ang makakita sa kasing-kasing sa tawo.

Kitang tawo, ang atong makita puro external. Ang Ginoo ang Iyang makita tanan: external ug internal. Mao sa John 21:22, natunok si Peter sa gitubag sa Ginoo. Daghan na to ug sala si Judas, ang pinakagrabe ang pagbudhi ug paghikog. Apan bisan pa man niining tanan, miingon si Jesus sa pinolosopo pa nga estorya sa bag-ong panahon:

"Kung mahilangit o ma-impyerno si Judas, unsay may imong labot Pedro? Ako ang magbuot. Ang mahinungdanon nga mosunod ka nako ug sa akong mga sugo." - John 21:22

This is a powerful point. I acquiesce to this verse.

Thank You , Michael.

Tinuod bitaw imong gi ingon, Mike. Estorya estorya ra man ni atua, pero , naa pood respect sa atong postings. Dili lang i poke-fun ang comments and remarks. Dili man jud na maayo. Ug maayong tawo nga gusto mag pa honest, ajaw pood mag buwang buwang imong comments on how fat or how you don't like a person's look. It minimizes one's point.

My point is, we are all intellectual minds in here. No one is being pretentious, but rather, sharing our points of views (they will differ from person to person), but keep everything civil. Poking fun of how people look, joking on one's relationship and sharing how one finds it disgusting is unecessary and very unchristian-like.

We are all Bol-anons, or honorary Bol-anons in here. So let there be no negativity in our comments. No need to hit below the belt.

Quote from: hubag bohol on February 20, 2011, 03:10:28 AM
Kanus-a pa gud siya masayop...

A lot of times, Nong. Kinsa man dili ma sayop? Tsk.

There are plenty of times here that i recognize my correction.

Ang issue ani, is that one should not pick on people , or poking fun of people.

Basing on one's supposed 'intellectual' pretension, should not be the reason for poking on one's traits.

Dili baja na maayo, Nong.

Ikaw man tigulang, you are supposed to know this and apply it, more than myself, who am much your junior in age.

Intellectual pretensions ? What is it that you don't like, Nong? Intellectual pretensions , sounds so negative. When in fact there is no negativity in it. Can not an individual share some bit of knowledge that one has to everyone , without being called 'pretentious'?

I don't think there ever was a time in my life where I said to anyone, a person, "Oh look how you are less educated than i, and i am more educated than thou.."

Never.

In fact, i can be honest with you that i am really just an average individual who likes to share information and to divulge some tidbit of information.
Don't take it as pretension, never was it ever considered so. Perhaps, it is taken as as judging my cover even before you read the entire passage.

You are older than me, Nong, therefore you deserve my respect. But respect is earned not given.

Decency and respect.

Quote from: Chongki on February 20, 2011, 03:00:39 AM
sakto guihapon sya bai hubs

Wrong, Chonks.

I accepted that Fr. Roel has a point in Post-Vatican II ideology, but the same message that Revelation and 1 John as well as what Catechism of the Holy Roman Catholic Church stands true, which is the emphasis that Suicide is Wrong and the antithesis of Divine Love.

Quote from: hubag bohol on February 20, 2011, 02:58:57 AM
Ah, OK. So Fr. Chic is right only in the sense that he is referring to the prevailing ideology. Tsk, tsk, tsk, pride rearing its ugly head again, little boy.

Yes. Simply so. It does not negate what revelation says, nor what 1 John says. Not pride, Nong, but acquiescing to what what is correct in that regard.

I still stand to the essence of my statements. Apology was issued in case people were indirectly offended, noting that it was not meant to be condemnatory (or presumed as condemnatory).

Ikaw pood Hubag, you need to stop your condemnatory tendencies. I know that you and I disagree on issues, pero, you should not be so degrading in how you say things , or how you refer to other people. You think that I am not aware of your comments about myself. Enough with that.

So I am admitting my erroneous ways, so should you. I am asking you to be more respectful.

This forum, despite our differences in thought and lifestyles, should command respect for each and everyone.

Quote from: chicogon on February 20, 2011, 02:49:57 AM
This is like a boxing match. You're tall (and your reasoning is on a pedestal), so I'm punching you below the belt, bwahahahaha!!! 

Hahaha ajaw pood, Fr. Roel. Ajaw ko sakita ba. Instead of punching, just hug me lang ha.

Quote from: hubag bohol on February 20, 2011, 02:48:17 AM
Love, hmm, maybe, welcoming corrections kuno but never to the point of admitting that you're wrong. That's pride, pure and simple.

I was wrong, Hubag. Wrong in the sense that I was referring to Pre-Vatican II ideology.

Quote from: chicogon on February 20, 2011, 02:44:28 AM
Enz, you sounded like a remnant of the Inquisition... you think like 'em, according to the letter of the law. Oh, well (again)  

According to the letter of the Law , Jyud.

You are like Prophet Moses, Fr. Roel. Kind and Compassionate.

I am more like Joshua, warrior in spirit.

A verse that strengthens me during times of difficulty and trial,

"Just as I was with Moses, so I will be with you. I will not leave you or forsake you.  Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. Do not be frightened, and do not be dismayed, for the Lord your God is with you wherever you go.”
-Joshua 1

To all whom I may have indirectly offended, or hurt in this thread, please know that it was not deliberate, nor intentional. But meant to state a point on accountability.

Please know there are no hard feelings. We are all exchanging ideas and thoughts. Despite the differences (just keep it civil lang sometimes, not under the belt punching. lol) 



Love You All,
Bran Lorenz.

Quote from: chicogon on February 20, 2011, 02:39:45 AM
Maybe you're right and we're wrong. Oh well... May God have mercy on our souls!!! 

I am just a student , Fr. Roel. A mere Knight of Columbus. My words in this thread is just my objection to the action of suicide.

I will always defend and uphold Catholic Teaching , and most of all, its priests.

If I ever sounded arrogant and rude in my postings, my apologies lang ha. I am sorry.

I get very passionate in my postings when I am defending a belief and a point.

I love you. And I will always welcome your correction in my postings.


Love,
Bran.

Quote from: TUBAGBOHOL.com on February 20, 2011, 02:32:49 AM
Naa bitaw sa Gospel of John akong gikalibgan kay si Pedro nangutana ni Jesus kung unsay linugdangan sa paghikog ni Judas.

When Peter saw him, he said to Jesus, "Lord, what about this man?" Jesus said to him, "If it is my will that he remain until I come, what is that to you? You follow me!" (John 21:22).

Sa Bisaya nga Bible translation: "Kung ako siyang buhion hangtud sa akong pagbalik, unsa may imong labot?"

Sa laing nga pulong, miingon si Jesus ni Peter: "None of your business, Peter. Follow me."

Ang giingon sa Bible, there is only one sin that cannot be forgiven, that is the sin against the Holy Spirit. Based sa context sa Gospel when Jesus said about this topic, the sin against the Holy Spirit may be committed when there is a work of the Holy Spirit and a man or woman attributes it as a work of the devil. This is what I understand sa mga nadungog nga preaching sa mga pastor ug sa mga Christian books nga akong nabasa.

Thank you. I did not consider that verse in John 21:22.

Thank you.

Sinning Against the Holy Spirit is an ETERNAL SIN.


Mark 3:28-30:  And Jesus Christ said unto them:  “Truly I tell you, people will be forgiven all their sins and all the blasphemies they utter. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, but is guilty of an eternal sin. He said this because theywere saying, ‘He has an evil spirit’.”

The Sin against the Holy Spirit is an unpardonable sin. Suicide denies the Holy Spirit's presence in one's life. It denies the Holy Spirit's ability to counsel you and to strengthen you.

Quote from: chicogon on February 20, 2011, 02:12:11 AM
Are you telling me now you're bigger than the Church? If the Church has changed or made amendments, or has gone a little compassionate in their approach and understanding of Christ's teachings/commands or that of the early Church (that was still developing anyway), then who are we to insist otherwise? Hmmmm... you mean, you choose what suits your personality or viewpoint?  Or somebody else's understanding?

You have to ask what you yourself believe!!!

How good God is to you?

Ask the very question Jesus asked his disciples? Who do you say that I am?

Then that is the God who will be to you, in the least...

Of course not, Fr. Roel. I am a member of the church, not the church, nor above the church. Am part of the body that makes up the entity, the being, that constitutes the Church.

My apologies if my position made it seem like that, through the process of driving the point of accountability, one's postings can be seen as hostile. But that is not the case.

To answer your question, Fr. Roel. Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior. The only son of God the Father. And through the Father and Son , the Holy Spirit, the counsel for all believers and Christians, proceeds. I believe in One, Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.  Of course The Lord Jesus Christ is good to me. He is good to me because he sends you and others when necessary to correct me when I am wrong. As it is said that a Father corrects a child whom he loves. Diba?

I welcome your correction.

However, I will reiterate the same message that I have been driving throughout this thread:

1. Accountability of one's actions are necessary. We will be judged according to our belief in Christ and according to our actions.

2. Suicide is morally, and spiritually wrong. It is a moral sin, it is a sin that should be evaded, it is the anithesis of the Hope in God.

If one commits suicide, one denies the Holy Spirit's ability to help one discern life goals, life questions, life situations, as difficult as it is.
Reyes, tho he was humbled and embarassed, should not have committed suicide. Rather, should have welcomed it as a teaching and a lesson from God. The worse case scenario was he exposes the truth of the corruption situation. or be ordered to expose his assets and live with media frenzy. for a while. But difficulties are meant to strengthen us, not to destroy us.

Reyes, as i drove, gave up in life. He denied the Holy Spirit's counseling on his mind. Jesus Christ tells us that "I will be with you till the end of time". Meaning that even tho we go through horrible, hard times, hardhips, etc, He will not leave us. Rather, Jesus Christ will strengthen us.

Jesus did not abandon Reyes.
Reyes, through his suicide, abandoned his family, his friends, and everything he worked for.

It is very sad. I cannot help but be touched by the situation of his life. He should not have given up...

Reference: Catechism of The Holy Roman Catholic Church




Negative and direct suicide

Negative and direct suicide without the consent of God constitutes the same sin as positive suicide. In fact man has over his life only the right of use with corresponding obligations to preserve the object of God's dominion, the substance of his life. Hence, it follows obviously that he fails in this obligation of usufructuary who neglects the necessary means for the preservation of life, and this with the intention of destroying the latter, and consequently violates the rights of God.

On suicide (by catechism of the holy roman catholic church):

Negative and indirect suicide

Negative and indirect suicide without the consent of God is also an attempt against the rights of the Creator and an injustice towards Him whenever without sufficient cause a man neglects all the means of preservation of which he should make use. If a man as usufructuary is obliged in justice to preserve his life, it follows that he is equally bound to make use of all the ordinary means which are indicated in the usual course of things, namely:

    1.  he should employ all the ordinary means which nature itself provides, such as to eat, drink, sleep, and so on;
    2.  moreover, he should avoid all dangers which he may easily avoid, e.g. to flee from a burning house, to escape from an infuriated animal when it may be done without difficulty.

In fact to neglect the ordinary means for preserving life is equivalent to killing one's self, but the same is not true with regard to extraordinary means. Thus theologians teach that one is not bound in order to preserve life to employ remedies which, considering one's condition, are regarded as extraordinary and involving extraordinary expenditure; one is not obliged to undergo a very painful surgical operation, nor a considerable amputation, nor to go into exile in order to seek a more beneficial climate, etc. To use a comparison, the lessee of a house is bound to take care of it as becomes a good father of a family, to make use of the ordinary means for the preservation of the property, for instance, to extinguish a fire which he may easily extinguish, etc., but he is not bound to employ means considered extraordinary, such as to procure the latest novelties invented by science to prevent or extinguish fire.

~~

Quote from: chicogon on February 20, 2011, 01:51:56 AM


How about this passage  from John 3:17, "For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him."

This is true. Salvation is constant progress. There is a verse from Philippians that says, 'One must work one's own salvation'. I am very hurt by Reyes actions. Most specifically his friends , family, loved ones.

I do pray that God was merciful and righteous in judgement. Pero, it is clear what Revelation says.

It was only recently that the Catholic Church implemented ammendments on suicides. But before these ammendments, Pre-Vatican II thought was constant in the teaching that suicides were destined to perdition.

I am aware of my own sins, Fr. Roel. Flaws and what not , it is part of life and as a Christian. But through the sacrament of reconciliation, we are pardoned of these sins. The essence of the sacrament, from what i was taught through catholic teaching , was the importance of accountability of the Law.

My flaws as a individual, as a Christian should not have to matter. The point that I am trying to drive in the stake is the importance of accountability of one's actions.

And the importance of one's understanding that we are all accountable of our actions. Grace, is based on that aspect. When my friend committed suicide, I went to the church and asked for forgiveness of my friend to the priest at hand.

He gave me a long , long talk of the eternal perdition that my friend will suffer because of his suicide. My understanding is it is the actions that we take , that have consequences.

I am not a believer of Sola Scriptura. That is a flawed Protestant Theological Ideology. On the contrary, as is taught by Catholic Ecclessia, both Holy Scripture (The Holy Bible) and Holy Tradition make up and constitute TRUTH.

Just to clarify lang, Fr. Roel.


Bran.

Quote from: fdaray on February 18, 2011, 04:43:00 PM
Yes, he died honorably kay naghinolsol siya sa sa iyang mga sala ug nangayo ug pasaylo sa Ginoo before he died. 1 John 1:9 (New International Version, ©2010)

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

How did he confess his sins ? He did not even suffer himself to be questioned in a court of law? Nor did he allow proper justice to be delivered unto him and those involved in this scheme. In the process , he committed suicide, his only 'escape' from the world and the inevitable Truth.

That indeed is a good verse, especially to be used amongst brothers. The verse from Luke is totally different context because that verse was talking about the pharisees and the saducees, hypocritical holy men in the temples who pray with empty words. Jesus Christ message was to love one another, that was the basis of Luke. Jesus tells us that condemning is not for us, but for God alone.

The best example of that was when the jews were to condemn and stone Mary Magdelene for her crimes of adultery. Christ reminded them that none of them were born without sin.

However, in the case of Reyes, the reiteration of Revelations and the verse from John is important. My emphasis is the reiteration of said verses, not condemnation. One can only pray for the mercy of God's judgement. But His judgment is impeccable and just.

Revelation is literal. The verse from Revelation tells us whom GOD will not allow to enter into His Kingdom.

Let me give another biblical example:

Jesus was crucified with 2 criminals. One who, a thief, who was repentant and asked to Join the Lord in Paradise. His was an example of faith unshatterable and Trust in Jesus Christ's power.

The other, an unrepentant murderer. The latter did not join the Lord into Paradise.

Judas Iscariot, hung himself. His was a suicide. Guilt.

~~

Acts 1:15-26
15 In those days Peter stood up among the believers (a group numbering about a hundred and twenty)
16 and said, "Brothers, the Scripture had to be fulfilled which the Holy Spirit spoke long ago through the mouth of David concerning Judas, who served as guide for those who arrested Jesus--
17 he was one of our number and shared in this ministry."
18 (With the reward he got for his wickedness, Judas bought a field; there he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out.
19 Everyone in Jerusalem heard about this, so they called that field in their language Akeldama, that is, Field of Blood.)
20 "For," said Peter, "it is written in the book of Psalms, May his place be deserted; let there be no one to dwell in it,' and, May another take his place of leadership.'

But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers,  those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars--their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

--Revelation 21:8



~~~


Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in Him.

--1 John 3:15

Quote from: Raquelproud boholana on February 18, 2011, 04:05:17 AM
Gi example ra ka nako Dre ug si Botoy kay sa akong pamati di na siguro mo mohapit ug purgahan unya si Botoy pud basta magpabilin raman ning good Boy makadawat gyud ni ug himayang dayon.  
Di man siguro ang Ginoo mo condemn nato kita man siguro mismo sumaa sa akong nabasahan nga ug mamatay na ta unya ipakita na sa Ginoo atong binuhatan diri nga wa jud tay repentance ,atong kaugalingon man siguro ang mo voluntaryo ug asa ta dapit mopahiluna. Exciting baya pud ang kamatayon sa tinuod lang ug ready lang ta permi. Inig mamatay na daw ta unang motagbo nato si St. Michael siya daw modala nato ug asa tang lugara dapat ibutang.
Sa akong pagkamakasasala dako jud sigurong grasya nako nga ihapit ko sa purgatoryo. Ug mosugot pud ko ibutang sa purgatoryo basta lang ma sure nako nga mahilangit tang tanan. Ako gyud i special favors tong nag suicide nga maoy mauna ug kahilangit. What would it matter were I to remain in purgatory until judgment day if through my prayer I could save even one soul? How much less would it matter if my prayer is to the advantage of many and for the honor of the Lord.

Good point(s), Raquel. Point(s) taken.

The emphasis I put on earlier was the importance of the sacrament of reconciliation , at each and every moment one commits grave sins that intrudes and impedes on one's state of Grace.

This is the very reason why there are thousands of demonic possessions in the world, right now as we speak. This is the reason why exorcisms are committed in every diocese. One's state of Grace, is a basis for possession, basis for being influenced heavily by the devil and his many legions of demons.

I believe that Reyes was unfortunately influenced to commit such a crime. Was it not the devil, himself, who drove Judas Iscariot to hang himself from the tree after the guilt of his sin in betraying LORD JESUS CHRIST, THE WORD MADE FLESH?

It is one and the same.

It is clear what revelation says about unrepentant murderers. I did not say this, I am merely repeating the verse from Revelations. The Eternal and Infallible Word of God.

Quote from: chicogon on February 18, 2011, 01:30:10 AM
Aguuuy!!! Exampol man jud... basin matinuod ha? Kung matinuod, simbako, basin gam-an sad ko ninyog thread nga "unpardonable sins" ha? Tsk tsk tsk 

lol, dili pood, Fr. Roel.

Figure of a Woman (Before the Theater)
1875-76; Galerie Schröder und Leisewitz, Kunsthandel, Bremen, Germany

In a Park
1874; also known as "On the Grass"; Petit Palais, Paris
Edma and her children.

this is for Ate Ging.

A new charcoal sketch. A recent acquisition by Sam Karres.

Beautiful.

hehehe ka cute man ning picture. lovers jud ni sila duha. lipay jamo si manong da.

One ra jud. One heart. One mind. One soul. One Love. One GOD.

One woman ra pood.

Vanilla Twilight by Owl city (piano cover)

What a passionate rendition.

Here's a soothing tune to lighten your load , bro. A romantic song to one of the original Romanticists of Tubag Bohol Dot Com.

Vanilla Twilight - Owl City (Piano)

Enjoy.

To my favorite Boholano Priest,


I admire and love your good nature. Good hearted man. This is my belated Valentine's Day for you.

Love Story - Taylor Swift - piano sheet music


With Love,
Bran

The Climb - Miley Cyrus - piano sheet music


The climb is sweet, the destination is sweeter.

There is glory in the suffering!

You can do it!

Fur Michelle - Red Flag - piano sheet music

Ethylene.

Its been forever since we last talked. I wish you only the best in all that you do, and in your life.
This song is for you. May the bright and sweet winds of Georgia caress your face.

Be good, beautiful lady.


Dong Bran.


Young Forever - Jay-Z (ft. Mr Hudson) - piano sheet music

From your sweet reception of the piano rendition of 'Hey Soul Sister', i thought you would like this as well.
Its the piano rendition of 'Coming Home'.

Enjoy.


Coming Home - Diddy - Dirty Money ft. Skylar Grey - Piano sheet music

Coldplay - Politik (piano cover)


This song gives strength through the hard times. The lyrics are deep as they are nourishing of the soul.

I know you are going through alot now. God Bless you for caring for him.

More power to you.

Enjoy

Coldplay - Fix You (piano cover)


Enjoy

You seem to be the sentimental type. Quiet, but the thinker type. Enjoy.

Coldplay - The Scientist (piano cover)


this is one of my favorite songs.

dali na , Nong. Sit down and listen. We all are lovers. We all love, lost, and wish to love again. I am young, you are older, but we are lovers nonetheless.

this song solidifies the universality of that essence. that yearning to love, to be loved, and to express that passion.

Coldplay - Yellow (piano cover)

differences aside, you're not a bad guy.

my belated valentine's day present for you.

YELLOW- INSTRUMENTAL (COLDPLAY)

Quote from: TUBAGBOHOL.com on February 20, 2011, 12:13:04 AM
Of course, every one is welcome.
No one knows who Hubag Bohol is, truth to tell...

But what if he is the alter ego of Mike Ligalig? 

He has a different writing style than Mike Ligalig. Nong Hubag's thinking and writing suggests a man with years behind his back. lol.

Michael is a busy Law Student.

Plus, Nong Hubag's proficiency in Ilonggo suggests another person. A totally different identity / character.

hahaha of course he is welcome. He is the tamarind of the sinigang that is Tubag Bohol Dot Com. You need every ingredients, but the sour taste of the tamarind makes the sinigang. hehe.

Quote from: cujo on February 20, 2011, 12:07:01 AM
Better late than never...Maybe he is what we call a Late Bloomer in terms of LOVE !

ahahaha, there's never an age bar for love. true that, ma'am cujo.

definitely not this one. patay jud. imbes chop chop lady, murag chop chop man. 

Quote from: TUBAGBOHOL.com on February 20, 2011, 12:04:24 AM
Ug ingon niini, pwede pa ni masagang:

hadloka ma ni sija, mike.

this is a type of gf that you would not want to cheat on. patyon jyud ta.

Quote from: TUBAGBOHOL.com on February 20, 2011, 12:00:45 AM
Mas labing kulba ug kuyaw kung black belter imong asawa, sama niini:

kini kai guapa. 

i admire nong hubag's pessimism with love tho. it only makes me wonder, even psychoanalyze his postings, his musings, and his retorts. perhaps, i deign to say, he suffered a massive heart break story, so overwhelming that has led to his solitary lifestyle, his predisposition to sexualize the female form, yet at the same time to detest the slightest romanticism or postings of romanticism. there is a black and white labeling characteristic feature that he exudes tho. ah, and the jester-like postings could also be a form of defense mechanism. poking fun of others to hide his own intrapsychic tension.

ah, who knows. but one can't help but wonder.

psychodynamic psychoanalytic psychotherapy would be perfect in this case scenario.  

Quote from: TUBAGBOHOL.com on February 19, 2011, 11:49:12 PM
Ang mga bana karong panahona kinahanglan na makakat-on ug self-defense.

hehehe kumbati lagi sa kama. joke. 

mga bana ! ajaw jud pag 'give up' sa asawa. fight to the bitter end. 

Quote from: cujo on February 19, 2011, 11:51:24 PM
That is why he needs a wife to keep him busy somewhere else!Hmmm....maybe Mr. Hubag is trying to be in a Guiness Book of records...shall we say A Person who Most Posted a Title in a Forum.

LOL! ug dili wife, at least a girl friend, or even a crush. maka bu-ang baja ni ug wa kamo baji sa kinabuhi.



i pray dili too late for Nong Hubag.

lami ra ba ni iparis sa asin.

i never knew the filipino word for this fruit. i just called it 'star fruit'

thanks brod mikey.

grabeh kaayo ang alcohol consumption sa russia. vodka gyud.