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"One problem with gazing too frequently into the past is that we may turn around to find the future has run out on us." - Michael Cibenko

Quote from: cujo on March 04, 2011, 11:19:46 PM
Here is the beginning of philosophy:a recognition of the conflicts between men,a search for their cause,a condemnation of mere opinions...and the discovery of a standard of judgement.


                                    Epictetus

lawom kaayo. 

-Lorenzo




there on the blasted isles sits the old crab,

where are the old octopuses of old , those dreaded sucklers who used to attack me, chides the crab

oh, gone are the octopuses of youth, the challenge of the day, the throbbing of the suck.

no more, no more, the octopuses of youth. a vast!

oh but there is one more thing one gets to look for and await in circumstance, sir crab.

you ask: what is it, dear young crab?

i say: the hardened shell on your back!

it shall be so strong that even the tides during monsoon shall fail in ripping you out of it.

the crab sinks back into his shell.

pondering as always.

ah, it was a good day.

his claw clatters a bit.

then. silence.

Taken in Barangay Anas , near the border of Barangay Manga, Valencia.


bugnaw kaayo diri. sa likod ani, naay gamay payag. ning higda ko dinha na tulug jyud.

My Tia, the wife of my grand-uncle (my grandfather's younger brother).



Welcoming the return of her grand-nephew after 12 years of absence.

Picture is taken in Barangay Anas, Valencia. The ancestral home of the Salvo and Salise Clan.

My beloved Ate Inday, a member of the Salvo Clan. She is the one that took care of my sister when we were still children. Ate Inday is a head teacher in Valencia Central Elementary.

She is beloved in my family.



Ate inday preparing and hosting my visitation to her beautiful house in Valencia.



Ate Inday and her son, my little nephew!

hehe, guapodoy kaayo si Lolo Ciano da! Valencianhon jyud!

My grandfather, Mr. Casiano Salise Salvo Sr. is the root of the Salvo Clan , to which my mother belongs to.

Mr. Casiano Salise Salvo Sr. is married to the late Mrs. Fortunata Tan-Salvo, my beloved grandmother.


a younger picture of Lolo. Murag in his early to mid 30's pa siya ani.


bata pa si Lolo ani. Mid to late 20's sigoro.

Engr. Rico Lucino during an inspection of a electric plant.
1983?


he was my age when this picture was taken.

Engr. Lucino in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Supervising a construction project

a younger Engr. Rico Lucino (my dad).

macho de macho kaayo !


dad sa left

I went diving in Bonaire, Netherlands Antilles (rated the world's # 3 diving spot ), however, the visibility and the clarity of the dive was not as spectucular as that of Balicasag's diving spots. The Black Forest area near Balicasag was a spectacular diving spot.

Driving from Tagbilaran to Panglao, at first, was pretty intense (trying to figure out the manual driving and then trying not to hit the pedi cabs and tricycles etc etc). but after a while, it became almost second nature. great videos!

hahaha wow! talk about capturing it all eh? hehehe

Quote from: taga tigbao on March 04, 2011, 04:32:20 PM
Kaning ngitngit mura ni ug adjective ang nature ani. Ang buot ipasabot ani wa nay adlaw ug dili maklaro kay way suga or the absence of light in short, dark sa English man siguro.

Sakto ning imohang gabii is for night time Bro.

Kung ako ha, dili sakto nga gamiton ang mao nga mga pulong interchangeably. The other is an adjective while the other is a noun.

Pananglitan: Maajong gabii diha hurot ninjo tanan! Palihog ko ug kuha sa suga kay ngitngit diri dapit sa guwa.

Salamat kaayo, Bro! 

Quote from: BolBuhol on March 03, 2011, 08:24:31 PM
sampak gid gab-i hang gamit sang timpo
layk: timpo- nayt taym 
sampol: (tama) maayo na gab-i kanimo sir lorenz
           (mali)  maayo na ngitngit kanimo sir lorenz 

ngit-ngit wen yo diskrayb da plis
sampol:  (tama)  ngitngita diri oy, indi ko gid makita hang kaangyag ni madam islex
             (mali)  gabi-i-a diri oy, indi ko gid makita hang kaangyag ni madam islex 

Salamat kaayo, Bol!

Quote from: bugsay on March 04, 2011, 10:23:56 AM
hehehe..didto gyud hinoon sa among hacienda.....ang mais ginapiko ginapala.... ginaparesan ug ginamos...

bwahahahaha. aww wa lagi ka lupig sa valencia when it comes to ginamos especialmente ang bolinaw sa valencia...

mo adto galing ang mga dimiaonon sa ato-ang pinanggang Valencia kai mo palit sa ginamos sa valencia.

Quote from: raldampong on March 04, 2011, 12:35:40 PM
Ingat ka pod Bran kay guapa pod ang mga bajot sa among lungsod hehehe.

awww, sir, sigoro guapa ang mga bajot sa Guindulman. Pero, unsaon man lagi nga 'conserbatibo' type man pood ko.

kanang 'Grade A' real woman ra ahoa. mag selective pood ta ba kai ug ma minjo ta ug taga Guindulman, make sure that mag selos pood gamay ang mga baji sa ahong pinanggang yuta na tawhan sa Valencia. bwahaha!

Quote from: hofelina on March 04, 2011, 03:02:40 PM
grabeh bitaw nag baha ang mga gays sa Guindulman, anha mag istambay tapad sa Munisipyo, lisang akong anak nga si Chris!

Manay,

Chris told me in our brief convo at the airport, "The 'G' in Guindulman probably stands for the 'G' in Gay" hahaha.

PS. no offense to any gays or bisexual people. Respect ko nila gihapon.

Quote from: raldampong on March 04, 2011, 12:35:40 PM
Ingat ka pod Bran kay guapa pod ang mga bajot sa among lungsod hehehe.

Hahaha. so i have heard from Manay Tess...bwaahaha!

my very good friend (a college friend and spiritual brother), Jr. Louvre.

Thanks, Fr. Roel. God Bless all seminarians.

Jr, if you read this page, know that we are praying for you!

Fr. Roel, kini si Jr. he was the one who was always asking me how is Leyte like and how Bohol Island is like.

Buotan kaayo ni siya.

Do you believe that Cain is still living and out in the world?

Quote from: Way Nada on March 04, 2011, 07:43:30 AM
Sa katoliko ang mga pari, obispo ug bisan pa ang papa sa Roma makasa pero wa man ni sila moingon nga anghel. Si Felix Manalo gitonto-tonto intawon ang iyang mga miembro nga anghel siya pero nanglugos. Naa bay anghel manglugos? Hehehe....

* * *

ang mga demonyo ug mga satanas ra mag lugos, Way Nada.

Easy ra man mo swing dance, Manay! Awww..next time when i see you, i'll show you some swing dance moves.

bitaw pero, naka hinumdum ko sa mensahe ni Hesu Kristo, ingon bitaw sija nato, "when a man asks you to walk a mile for him, you will walk 2 miles. If a man asks you for the coat on your back, freely give it to him...if a brother hits you on the cheek, offer the other..."

let us not turn away those who are poor and suffering.

Focus not on the negative messages that try to tarnish the good will and the honorable purpose of Ms. Eden Hohmann's project.

I salute her and those who contribute to this noble of tasks, the provision of medical care to the town of Guindulman and the many poor barangays within.

Manay, in my next visit to Bohol, i would love to volunteer in this clinic for a couple of days.

Extend my humble appreciation and applause to Ma'am Eden Hohmann for her project!

Salute jud ko.

You were told to hate your enemies and love your friends. I say to you this-- love and pray for your enemies !

-Jesus Christ

Quote from: Mulligan on March 03, 2011, 10:09:06 PM
"Choose a job you love and you will never have to work a day in your life"

Balut balut baluttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt   

Hahahaha! Ayyy baluuuuuuut!

Asa man ang asin bi?

Today I found out that my dear friend Jr. is on his 2nd year of major seminary.

Please pray that God will continue to guide and sustain him.

God bless you bro!!

We are so happy and proud of you!

More Power!

May God Bless the Diocese of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania USA.

ambot is more like, "i don't know/ i'm not sure"

Quote from: hofelina on September 26, 2009, 05:53:49 PM








Barrio Captain Eden Bertumen Hohmann started a worthy cause to serve the people of barrio Basdio. This is a health center, a very humble start. This project is supported by the organization Bol-anon sa Germany.

Manay Tess,

How beautiful and honorable! Ug gusto ko mo donate para sa clinic, how shall i contact Eden to send funds ?

daghang mga mestiza guapa sa Guindulman.

daghang kaajo mga Mestizang Espanyol sa Guindulman.

Adunay nga ning drive ko sa Guindulman, ning stop by lang ko sa ilang merkado

palit ug pandesal ug coke.

imbes mo palit ra ug coke, ning chat chat man ko sa usang baji sa merkado dinha.

na kujawa-an ko da.

ka gwapa kaajo tong bajiha.

maka bu-ang ang mga guapang baji sa Guindulman.

Daghang mamords...

Quote from: junjun on February 14, 2011, 01:21:53 PM
known pa naman ta nga Town of Professionals.Ayay!!!!

hahahah, oo lagi, professionals lagi, pero not just that!

known for being fishermen, rice farmers, lubi farmers, and...lovers.

known pood for bahalina producers, pig farmers, and good businessmen.

known pood ang mga Valencianhon sa passion sa education.

Ikaw, Jun, diba maestro man ka ?

Quote from: hubag bohol on February 24, 2011, 09:28:55 AM
Basin nakaingon nga kahoy ang mais kay ingon ani kadak-a ang anagon...

awww, kining picture, murag illustration sigoro ni sa mga baji sa Valencia. Isug jamo. And 'en lab' sa mais sa mga laking Valencianhon.

pwahahaha   

Quote from: Palu-palo on February 23, 2011, 05:01:36 AM
Naa pud sa Valencia nga kaniadto nagduwa sa name an "animal, bird or fish" , unja kay animal man natunong nija, niingon dayon nga "pechay"! Karon sija kay asawa na sa konsehal. Basin mao to nga konsehal nga ang corn nahimo na nga tree!

awww, sigoro naka ingon sija 'name the animal and plant'! awww, okey lang oy, Palu_Palu. Di man pood ta tanan perfect diba? hehe

Quote from: islander on February 26, 2011, 01:33:55 AM
bugsaaayyyy!  unsa man gyod diay kadak-a ang tanom nga mais sa inyo?  matod ani nga thread kahoy diay ning mais, morag fruit tree.  tug-an sa tinuod bi kay tingali baya ug lagutmon diay ang mais sa inyo, morag kinampay. 

dili pood dako jamo, di pood gamay jamo. kuan ba..just right. lami i paris ug sinugba nga isdah, o sinugba nga canding.

Quote from: junjun on February 14, 2011, 01:21:53 PM
I joined my fellow Valencianhons Last Jan 16 in celebration of the feast day of the Holy Infant Jesus. I was relly eager to witness the Sinulog, while watching one contingent, I was caught surprised by the background tarpaulin showcasing the rootcrops and other plants in bounty in my town and suddenly in two tarpaus and in big and bold letters, CORN TREES, syalan ba, wa diay na checka daan sa assigned kagawad, basin ba ang mga b***t nga choreographer ang nasayop pero lain gihapon tan-awon oi, known pa naman ta nga Town of Professionals.Ayay!!!!

Jun, sigoro it was just poetic form of showing how bountiful our town is. hehehe.
Aww, okey lang oy, not everything is perfect. Ang importante is that nag celebrate ta sa Piesta sa Senyor Santo Nino.

How i wish i was there to see the performance. Naa ba kay pictures?

Catigbian, the town known for its delicious dishes! I stopped by a cantina there one time. They prepared a really succulent dish of Pinakbet.

Catigbian is indeed a beautiful town. Bugnaw kaajo sa ilaha da. Very cool and peaceful town.

Quote from: Mike Ortega Ligalig on February 24, 2011, 07:09:43 AM
By Ceil E. Remolador

In a separate incident, responding elements of Catigbian PNP retrieved a dead 6th grade pupil hanging from a santol tree.

Report said that Roldan Pojadas, 14, of Causwagan Norte, Catigbian town was scolded by his father and left for school and was found dead around 3 p.m. last Monday.

Dear Lord, have mercy on the soul of the late Roldan Pojadas. God Have mercy...

Meeting up with my Tito Jan, who celebrated his birthday in our town. Si Don Juan Palaca.




the birthday celebrant!

The traditional way of preparing lechon...The Valencianhon Way...












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my 2nd cousin Joseph raised this, i chose to buy from him.





Lighting and preparing the fire

Why pay 1000 pesos to have people prepare inasal in a busy street in Tagbilaran City when one can ask one's relatives in Valencia to prepare it , as well as purchase it from relatives? Better to pay for the inasal and ask relatives to prepare it than paying non-related folks 1000 pesos or more.

Plus, where we prepared the inasal in Valencia, it was in the mountains. So bugnaw kaajo. This is something that i cannot find in Tagbilaran, which is so hot and humid due to the overcrowded location and the pollution.

Sa Valencia, prisko kaajo ang air, and bugnaw pa. I was, in the process, met with dozons of relatives and family friends. A gathering, a communal gathering during the lechon preparation process. It was a beautiful experience.

Truly an authentic Filipino, Bol-anon, Valencianhon Experience.

I enjoyed observing the preparation of Inasal in the old custom that is done in Valencia.
There is beauty in how the event becomes an attractive spot for people to observe whats going on.
I specifically asked to have the lechon prepared in the traditional way.


Pictures will follow.

-Lorenzo



There in a cottage sits a docile crab,
settled in his little shell,

evasion.

the sea gulls , the rampant tourists, the heat strokes overbearing

happiness.

in the swift sunrises, and settling sunsets, memories of sweet and distant shores called home.

romanticism.

the deep cool waters of the pacific trench, by palau, by marianas, by other crabs of like , to emulsify in breadth and totality

irate.

when other crabs invade natural delineated lines of separation. mechanisms kick in.

life.

of the hermit crab.

Let Me Try


-Lorenzo



You come out of the room,

with your flowing black hair you move,

as softly and graceful as a ballerina,

as delicate as the tulips of spring,

the almond eyes piercing ,

such sweet pink lips that produces a smile.

to my apprehension, you give not a kiss.

to my surprise, it is a warm cup of tea.

one cup for you.

one cup for me.

mint tea flavored with the sprinkle of honey.

is this sip as sweet as your kisses?

let me try.

 -Lorenzo

   ~ === ~

Usted sale del cuarto,

con su pelo negro que fluye usted se mueve,

tan suavemente un agraciado como una bailarina,

tan delicado como los tulipanes del resorte,

la perforación de los ojos de almendra,

tales labios rosados dulces que produce una sonrisa.

                   =======

a mi aprehensión, usted da no un beso.


a mi sorpresa, es una taza caliente de té.


una taza para usted. una taza para mí.


té de la menta condimentado con la aspersión de la miel.


¿está este dulce del sorbo tan como sus besos?

déjeme intentar.

i was touched by this story. mike, i will send an undisclosed amount through the attached paypal account.

thanks and god bless.

my message to this young man: do not give up, and keep on striving forward. God will provide and will never forget your struggles! Inspire!

with adoration,
Lorenzo Lucino

English Version



-Lorenzo


sing me a song today, lady

sing me a song that puts me to sleep

for sleep and quiet reverie brings solemn peace

ah, is peace with you limited?

if so, make it unlimited.

to lay in bed with you, to hold you in my arms

let me never be separated from you

oh the sun that shines on our faces

with books and medicines on the floor

let us sleep a bit

before going to work

ah, the hospital is calling again...

- Lorenzo


cánteme un ahora da de la canción,

señora cánteme una canción

que me ponga para dormir para el sueño

y el ensueño reservado trae paz solemne

¿ah, es la paz con usted limitada?

si es así hágala ilimitada.

para poner en cama con usted,

detenerle en mis brazos nunca

déjeme ser separado de usted

oh el sol que brilla en nuestras caras con los libros y las medicinas

en el piso durmamos un pedacito

antes de ir a trabajar ah,

el hospital está llamando otra vez.

The three great fish markets that produce really good ginamos:


Ubay Fish Market, Manga Fish Market (Tagbilaran), Valencia Fish Market

Quote from: chicogon on March 04, 2011, 12:09:21 AM
Oh, I forgot to mention nga guapodoy man diay nis Lorenzo... morag linebacker from Samoa!!! 

hahaha line backer from Samoa eh?

the first time i saw Fr. Roel (he was in the dark by UB and wearing a hat) i knew that was him. Pads, you know i really wanted to go to Ondoc's Chicken that night, and bring some for you guys, but to my surprise, you guys (DA PUPPIES) had already a feast hall ready. lol.

True story:

After buying ginamos from ubay, and having returned to valencia, i prepared some for my lolo and i to have some. Ning preparar pood si Manang Arsing ug saging , kamote para sa ginamos. Ning tisting gud mi tulo (si lolo, manang arsing, ug ako). Lami-an ko sa ginamos sa ubay, pero ingon jud si lolo , "Ah, okey ra man ning ginamos sa ubay. Mas lami pa ang ginamos sa Valencia." Da! kujawa!

Ingon ko, "Lolo, di diay ma lupig ang ginamos sa Valencia?"

Ingon pood si Lolo , ning katawa pood baja, his smile piercing into my heart and making me laugh in turn, "Awww...wa jamo ka lupig sa atoa lagi, Ondoy Bran Bran.."

Da! 

Quote from: chicogon on March 04, 2011, 12:07:37 AM
Tinuod. But I made it a point to simplify my vacation, see your family and best friends. Kung naay taga TB nga nahiuli or interested in meeting iapil sad sa skedyul; that's how I got to meet Lorenz and that' how I got to know how "gentle and down-to-earth" this giant of a being is  . Diha sad siya nakakita how "giant-of-a being (physically)" I had become and we learned why, bwahahaha!!! 

You are indeed a gentle giant, Fr. Roel. Awww...

Lorenzo


oh pequeña señora que se sienta ocioso

cerca donde está usted que va cuáles

son usted que hace

¿al santuario para los ninos?

¿hoy?

oh usted habla y bromea

y ríe alrededor con tono arrogante

y arrogante tal tristeza tal ensueño

Trinidad

Ginamos from Ubay 

Quote from: hofelina on March 03, 2011, 06:24:10 PM
Padre, ni-a pa gani ka sa gawas daghan ang plano, apan kon tua kana sa Bohol, morag nag gokod ang oras. Lumine texted me that Lorenzo is in Tagbi. Lorenzo texted me how to locate him while I was on my way to Calape, you know this Birhen sa Kasilag, kanang na-a sa shell? Dalikyat ra ang among pag-kita apan nag tabo mi sa Airport. My son was so amazed how friendship blooms in TB.

Manay,

Your son Chris is a very handsome and well-mannered  young man. The last we talked about was how your scheduled trip to Camuigin was cancelled because of the inclemency of the weather at the time. If you do go there this time, do take pictures.

Manay, in the future when our paths meet again, you must tell me when you are in Tagbilaran for a couple of days so that I may be able to host you the whole day.

You know, I recently was able to master the cooking of canding and taught how to prepare Lechon. Next time, we must schedule a TB EB.

PS. When are you going back to Bohol? Excited naman pood ko for you. Oh how i wish i could go back to Bohol again.

PPS. I already miss the Sabong on Sundays.

Quote from: chicogon on August 13, 2010, 04:15:30 PM
Hofs... nihapit daw pod ka ila Dodong Bran. Maayo nagkita-kita mo... 

Fr. Roel, next time, next time if we see each other again in Bohol, come to my house in Tagbilaran. I'll have lechon ready.

Or if you catch me in Valencia, we'll have some Sinugbang Canding w/ fresh Valencianhon Ginamos and roasted Bisayang Manok. hehehe!

Quote from: hofelina on August 15, 2010, 03:22:21 PM
Padre, nag abot mi gahapon sa Domestic airport sa Tagbi, pwerte pa namong istorya, i was glad to see him.

Manay Tess, i just read this. Bitaw, no, how funny how time has passed since our last physical meeting in Tagbilaran Airport.

Forgive me if i was a bit teary, i was becoming homesick. Our flight hadn't even departed Bohol and I was already missing Bohol and Valencia. 

Driving towards Punta Cruz

sweet place. i stopped by after a dive in balicasag.the price wasn't bad at all.

A random shot.

Leaving Panglao towards the direction of Balicasag.

i took this picture during a diving trip toward Balicasag. Overall, i took 3 diving trips in that island. Beautiful.

What are the things that you love about the Town of Jagna?

ah, there will always be a next time. right, carebear?

pohon, i will visit your town again to purchase the famed Jagna-non Calamay.

I have a beautiful combinasyon:

1. Fresh Jagna Calamay

2. Valencianon Fresh Warm Pandesal & Cold Coca Cola

~~

Ka lami jyud !

Ecclesiastes (Sirach) 5: 8- 15


8 If you see the poor oppressed in a district, and justice and rights denied, do not be surprised at such things; for one official is eyed by a higher one, and over them both are others higher still. 9 The increase from the land is taken by all; the king himself profits from the fields.

10 Whoever loves money never has enough;
  whoever loves wealth is never satisfied with their income.
  This too is meaningless.

11 As goods increase,
  so do those who consume them.
And what benefit are they to the owners
  except to feast their eyes on them?

12 The sleep of a laborer is sweet,
  whether they eat little or much,
but as for the rich, their abundance
  permits them no sleep.

13 I have seen a grievous evil under the sun:
  wealth hoarded to the harm of its owners,
14 or wealth lost through some misfortune,
so that when they have children
  there is nothing left for them to inherit.
15 Everyone comes naked from their mother’s womb,
  and as everyone comes, so they depart.
They take nothing from their toil
  that they can carry in their hands.

Ecclesiastes (Sirach) 4: 13-14


13 Better a poor but wise youth than an old but foolish king who no longer knows how to heed a warning. 14 The youth may have come from prison

to the kingship, or he may have been born in poverty within his kingdom. 15 I saw that all who lived and walked under the sun followed the youth,

the king’s successor. 16 There was no end to all the people who were before them. But those who came later were not pleased with the successor.

This too is meaningless, a chasing after the wind.

Ecclesiastes (Sirach) 2: 10-11


10 I denied myself nothing my eyes desired;
   I refused my heart no pleasure.
My heart took delight in all my labor,
   and this was the reward for all my toil.
11 Yet when I surveyed all that my hands had done
   and what I had toiled to achieve,
everything was meaningless, a chasing after the wind;
   nothing was gained under the sun.

Father,

Thank you for showing your faith in our lives, in our friends, in our colleagues , and brothers and sisters in Christ.
For the times that we forget how much you bless each and every single one of us in our daily pursuits, and our ability to overcome the challenges that are unique in our lives, let us remember to thank you for that daily. You, who are merciful yet righteous in judgment.
For all the things in life you have given us, whether they be big or small, thank you. All Glory, Honor and Praise belong to you, Almighty Father.

Forever and Ever.
Amen.

Edna St. Vincent Millay


What lips my lips have kissed, and where, and why,
I have forgotten, and what arms have lain
Under my head till morning; but the rain
Is full of ghosts tonight, that tap and sigh
Upon the glass and listen for reply;
And in my heart there stirs a quiet pain
For unremembered lads that not again
Will turn to me at midnight with a cry.
Thus in the winter stands a lonely tree,
Nor knows what birds have vanished one by one,
Yet know its boughs more silent than before:
I cannot say what loves have come and gone;
I only know that summer sang in me
A little while, that in me sings no more.

This passage sends chill down to my spine. Again, a beautiful poem written by King Solomon. It reminds us to be aware of our actions, lest we become wicked..in word and deed.

Hehe, awww, God Bless you brod Vince. More Power!

23 A fool finds pleasure in wicked schemes,
   but a person of understanding delights in wisdom.

24 What the wicked dread will overtake them;
   what the righteous desire will be granted.

25 When the storm has swept by, the wicked are gone,
   but the righteous stand firm forever.

26 As vinegar to the teeth and smoke to the eyes,
   so are sluggards to those who send them.

27 The fear of the LORD adds length to life,
   but the years of the wicked are cut short.

28 The prospect of the righteous is joy,
   but the hopes of the wicked come to nothing.

29 The way of the LORD is a refuge for the blameless,
   but it is the ruin of those who do evil.

30 The righteous will never be uprooted,
   but the wicked will not remain in the land.

31 From the mouth of the righteous comes the fruit of wisdom,
   but a perverse tongue will be silenced.

32 The lips of the righteous know what finds favor,
   but the mouth of the wicked only what is perverse.

Proverbs 1: 10-19


10 My son, if sinful men entice you,
   do not give in to them.
11 If they say, “Come along with us;
   let’s lie in wait for innocent blood,
   let’s ambush some harmless soul;
12 let’s swallow them alive, like the grave,
   and whole, like those who go down to the pit;
13 we will get all sorts of valuable things
   and fill our houses with plunder;
14 cast lots with us;
   we will all share the loot”â€"
15 my son, do not go along with them,
   do not set foot on their paths;
16 for their feet rush into evil,
   they are swift to shed blood.
17 How useless to spread a net
   where every bird can see it!
18 These men lie in wait for their own blood;
   they ambush only themselves!
19 Such are the paths of all who go after ill-gotten gain;
   it takes away the life of those who get it.

We are here for each other, bro. To help and inspire one other.

-Edna St. Vincent Millay



We were very tired, we were very merry ---
We had gone back and forth all night on the ferry.
It was bare and bright, and smelled like a stable ---
But we looked into a fire, we leaned across a table,
We lay on a hill-top underneath the moon;
And the whistles kept blowing, and the dawn came soon.

We were very tired, we were very merry ---
We had gone back and forth all night on the ferry;
And you ate an apple, and I ate a pear,
From a dozen each, we had bought somewhere;
And the sky went wan, and the wind came cold,
And the sun rose dripping, a bucketful of gold.

We were very tired, we were very merry,
We had gone back and forth all night on the ferry.
We hailed, ``Good-morrow, Mother!'' to a shawl-covered head,
And bought a morning paper, which neither of us read;
And she wept, ``God bless you!'' for the apples and pears,
And we gave her all our money but our subway fares.

-Edna St. Vincent Millay

Oh, oh, you will be sorry for that word!
Give me back my book and take my kiss instead.
Was it my enemy or my friend I heard,
``What a big book for such a little head!''
Come, I will show you now my newest hat,
And you may watch me purse my mouth and prink!
Oh, I shall love you still, and all of that.
I never again shall tell you what I think.
I shall be sweet and crafty, soft and sly;
You will not catch me reading any more:
I shall be called a wife to pattern by;
And some day when you knock and push the door,
Some sane day, not too bright and not too stormy,
I shall be gone, and you may whistle for me.

This is averse from James 1:23, "For if a man be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he shall be compared to a man beholding his own countenance in a glass. "

Faith in Christ Jesus should also resound in one's life , through how this person handles life situations, thinks, and performs. The letter from St. James tells us, and reminds us that we , all of us should evade becoming pharisees who were merely hearers of the word and not doers.

Good point, Vince, and thank you for making that correction.

Quote from: taga tigbao on March 03, 2011, 01:42:52 PM
Tinuod ba ni Bro? Nagbasa man gud ko ug mga apologetics ug sa Catholic Doctrines nga nag ingon ang SALVATION is through faith plus work.

James 2:14-26 (New International Version, ©2011)

Faith and Deeds

14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”

   Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe thatâ€"and shudder.

20 You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless[a]? 21 Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend. 24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.

25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

The beauty of Faith, bro, is that it is expressed. There is the spiritual expression of faith and the actual expression of Faith.

This is where we are all told to be "both hearers and doers of the WORD".

You are right bro, Faith is to be showed and declared.

Quote from: taga tigbao on February 23, 2011, 12:52:22 PM
Gadhafi is different from Ben Ali and Mubarak. Lahi ijahang statement. 'Til death do us part ni sija sa presidency nija. Daghan na pud ra ba ang casualties sa Libya considering reports nga daghang mercenaries ang gigamit para pamatjon ang protesters.

Mga silingan ra pud ni sila. Tunisia, Libya and Egypt. Inig ka human aning Libya (ambot ug kanus-a), daghan pang mosunod pareho sa Yemen ug Bahrain.

Like all things, God's Judgment comes according to His time and His Purpose.

Gadhafi was responsible for the bombing of Pan-America airline that crashed in Scotland, killing over 200 innocents.

Thanks be to God!

Quote from: taga tigbao on March 03, 2011, 01:09:36 PM
Wa ko mamalandong aning about ni Manalo kay sa Catholic Church daghan pud ni. Bisan ganing asa nga religion. Ang aho ang gituohan ani nila. 

In that regard, Vince, you are right. Romans 3:23 , "For all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God.."

Pero in defense of the Church lang, these few priests / men of the cloth who abuse their roles in the Church do not represent the Church as a whole. Yes, they may have fallen to sin, however, as all of us, sin is an innate trait for all mankind. Likewise, we must pray for these members of the Church who falter at times. I'm not trying to defend that the actions they have committed should be dispelled, however, those who ask honest pardon and forgiveness of their sins, should be given a second chance.

I mean, God gives all of us 3rd, 4th, 5th, ...an infinitum of chances. So long as we believe and ask of His mercy..

Heavenly Father,

Ever this day protect and guide and strengthen all those that are before me, with me, and my own self. I entrust all goings, doings, sufferings, and measures to you and you alone. For you are the creator and sustainer of all things. Bless my beloved family, loved ones, friends and those who are at odds with me as well. Bless them and forgive them all their sins.

Amen.

Ecclesiastes 2 : 12-16



12 Then I turned my thoughts to consider wisdom,
  and also madness and folly.
What more can the king’s successor do
  than what has already been done?
13 I saw that wisdom is better than folly,
  just as light is better than darkness.
14 The wise have eyes in their heads,
  while the fool walks in the darkness;
but I came to realize
  that the same fate overtakes them both.

15 Then I said to myself,

  “The fate of the fool will overtake me also.
  What then do I gain by being wise?”
I said to myself,
  “This too is meaningless.”
16 For the wise, like the fool, will not be long remembered;
  the days have already come when both have been forgotten.
Like the fool, the wise too must die!

Quote from: Way Nada on March 03, 2011, 08:07:24 AM
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Jesus Christ rebuked the scribes and pharisees because these Jewish sects are firm believers of the Torah. They did not believe Jesus as God. Jesus as redeemer of the gentiles abrogate the law of Moses. Jesus revised the law of Moses.

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This is another statement in the NT that the Jews killed their prophets. It's an insult to Jews if you ask them who are the prophets they killed... because I think there is none. This is another anti-Judaism statement in the NT. In verse 38 the NT even cursed the house of Israel to become desolate.

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This one is sola fide. This is a defense mechanism of "Praise the Lord Christians" that by faith alone man can be saved no matter what as long as you believe.

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Thank you for added information, Way Nada. As always, you parry such great wealth of information to these threads.

My response to your points:

1. The Hebrews rejection of Christ only manifests their history of rejecting every single prophet that was sent to them by God.
   1a. The Pharisees and the Sadducees tried t connive their points to Christ, however, every single time Christ corrected them before the people and humbled their ill intents.
   1b. The Hebrews were still worshiping God in the walls of Jerusalem. When this was no longer necessary. In the beautiful conversation between the Samaritan woman by the well, Jesus tells us that the time is now when we worship God in the spirit, and no longer have to be in Jerusalem to worship Him.

     here is the verse:
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21 “Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”
-John 4: 21-24


2. The anti-semitic statement was more so a response and a defense, Way Nada. It is important to note that when the letters from Paul were written at the time, there was a harsh anti-Christian crackdown by the Jews. If you remember, Paul (formerly Saul) was a Jewish pharisee who was responsible for the arrest and execution of Christians. He was responsible for the execution of St. Stephen, an early Christian martyr.

However, Paul would be converted to Christianity not by force, but by seeing Christ on the road as he was blinded by light. Paul's eventual message of supposed condemnation of the Jews is meant to strengthen the growing and persecuted Christian faith / community at the time.

The Jews, who do not believe Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, will eventually answer for this during the day of Judgment.

For it is written, those who deny Jesus Christ before men, Jesus too will deny them before His Father in Heaven. But those who accept Him before men, Jesus will accept and recognize them before His Father in Heaven during the day of Judgment.


3. Sole Fide, is an integral aspect of Catholic Ecclesia as well. Salvation is by Faith, however, faith is also manifested in one's living faith.

Quote from: Way Nada on March 03, 2011, 08:47:35 AM
The founder of INk is Felix Manalo and sometimes before 1942 a publication in a kapangpangan newspaper featured Felix Manalo a man considered as an angel by the members of iglesia ni Kristo was reported raping a woman named Rosita Trillanes. Here is the confession of Rosita trillanes;

Mga Kapatid:

Dahil sa pag-ibig ko sa Iglesia at ukol sa inyong kabutihan ay sumulat ako sa inyo upang magtapat ng bagay na talagang nangyari sa akin at ng mga bagay na aking nasaksihan at nalaman sa panahon ng dalawang taong pagkatigil ko sa Central. Ako ay isang dalaga na naging kaanib ng Iglesia ni Cristo sa Batangas. Ako ay kinapootan at itinakwil ng aking mga magulang. Sa paniwala kong ako’y makakatagpo ng pag-aampon ay pumayag ako kay kapatid na Jacinto Torres na dalhin niya ako sa opisina Central. Noong ako ay naroon ay naransan ko ang lubhang napakapait at napakasakit sa buhay ng dalaga gaya noong lapastanganin ako ni Manalo na itinuturing kong isang ama. Noong una ay niligawan niya ako ngunit nang tumanggi ako sa kanyang mga ninanais ay binugbog at hinataw niya ako ng aking ikinawala ng malay-tao. At noong ako’y wala nang malay-tao ay ginawa niya ang kahalayang ibig niya sa akin. Doon ay lubhang naghirap ako dahil sa masamang palakad sa akin, paghataw at pagbabanta na tinatanggap ko kailan ma’t tumututol ako sa mahahalay niyang nais sa akin.

Marami din akong nasaksihang mga ginahasa ni Felix Manalo, ang iba ay mga dalaga; ang iba ay mga asawa ng mga kaanib; samantalang ang isa ay asawa ng isang Ministro. Sinabi ni Manalo sa akin ang tungkol sa mga ibang kanyang ginawan ng kahalayan, noong ako’y kanyang hinihikayat na pumayag sa kanyang mga ninanais. Sinabi niya sa akin ang tungkol sa tatlumpung mga babaing kanyang kanyang pinagsamantalahan. Hindi ko maaaring ihayag ang kanilang mga pangalan upang pagtakpan ang kanilang karangalan, ngunit madalas silang nagpupunta sa Opisina. Sa piling ko ay pinagsikapan niyang ginahasa ang isang dalaga na pagkatapos ay nagbuntis at iyon ay nangyaring napapunta din sa opisina central ukol sa tanging pagkakataong may kaugnayan sa Manalo. Marahil ang dahilan kung kaya si Liloy ay nagbitiw, ay sapagkat sinikap ni Manalong pilitin si Amanda. Ang lahat ng mga itong kanyang nilapastangan ay nangatatakot magsabi sapagkat sila’y binalaang papatayin kung sila’y magsasabi, katulad ng ginawa niya kay Basilia Santos ng Paco, na itinuturo niya si Manalo, bilang ama ng kanyang dalawang anak. Naging balitang-balita ito sa Paco.

Bago nagpunta si Manalo sa America, ay dinala niya ako sa bahay ng mga Protacio, sa Pasay. Ngunit noong wala pang isang buwan ay dumating siya upang kunin niya akong pabalik, nangangambang baka sinabi ko sa mga Protacio ang lahat ng kanyang inasal at ginawa sa akin; noong ako’y tumangging sumama sa kanya ay binalaan niya ako ng masama at tinakot niya ako ng isang rebolber at sa pamamagitan ng lakas ay pinilit niya akong sumama sa kanya. Pagkatapos nito ay pinalayas niya sa Iglesya ang mga mag-anak ng Protacio at pinaratangan ng kabulaanan.

Kanyang ginugugol ang lahat niyang buwanang sahod na P 1,300.00 ukol sa mga babae at sa mga mahahalay na mga gawain, samantalang ang abang manggagawa ng Iglesya ay tumatanggap lamang ng P5.00, P 10.00, P 15.00, P 20.00 isang buwan. Ang nangyayari sa lahat ninyong mga abuloy na iniaalay sa Dios, ay nagpupunta sa kanya at bagay na kanyang ginugugol ukol sa lahat niyang mahahalay na gawa. Sinabi ko kay kapatid na Doro ang lahat ng bagay na ito noong si Manalo ay naroon pa sa America.Sa ganitong paraan ay pababayaan ba ninyong pagmalabisan ni Manalo ang mga kaanib at tanggapin ang Iglesya sa ngalan ng Dios…? Hindi ba ninyo iniibig ang Iglesya…? Ang inyong asawa at mga anak na babae ay nasa panganib sa kasawian sa mahahalay na pita ng taong iyan na ipinalalagay at kinikilala ninyong bilang tagapagturo ng mga salita ng Dios.

Ipinagtatapat ko sa inyo ang lahat ng bagay na ito, ipinauubaya ko sa inyo ang kapasiyahan na magagawa ninyo kung tunay na iniibig ninyo ang Iglesya at ang Dios. Sa paghimok sa babaeng iniibig niya maging siya ay isang dalaga o isang may asawa, ay binabanggit niya ang maraming asawa ni Solomon at inaangkin niyang ang taong sinugo ng Dios, ay dapat gawing maligaya at ang pagpayag na pagsang-ayon sa kanyang mga ninanais ay isang kapuri-puring gawa sa mga mata ng Dios. Matatanggap ba ng inyong mabuting diwa ang walang kaayusang ito…? Nasa inyo ang kapasiyahan.
Ang inyong kapatid na naging sawingpalad dahil sa malabis ng pagtitiwala.

ROSITA

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This is a cult, not a church.

Quote from: Way Nada on March 03, 2011, 08:17:58 AM
If the Catholic Church initiated the canon of the bible then it's the original. The version that there are only 66 books in the bible is the canon of Martin Luther when he protested against the Catholic Church.

Yes, you are right. He did remove 7 books. The basis for his removal of the 7 books ; Tobit, Judith, Baruch, Wisdom, Sirach, 1 and 2 Maccabees, and parts of Esther and Daniel. He removed these books because it supported the Sacraments of the Catholic Church. Particularly in 1 Maccabees where it talks about the prayers for the dead. The book of Tobit as well supports prayers for the dead.

This all started with Luther's nailing of the 95 thesis on the Catholic Church Door.

Interesting kaayo because Luther, himself, was a Catholic Monk prior to his separation.

Ecclesiastes 4: 8,

8 There was a man all alone;
   he had neither son nor brother.
There was no end to his toil,
   yet his eyes were not content with his wealth.
“For whom am I toiling,” he asked,
   â€œand why am I depriving myself of enjoyment?”
This too is meaninglessâ€"
   a miserable business!

Ecclesiastes 2 : 12-16



12 Then I turned my thoughts to consider wisdom,
   and also madness and folly.
What more can the king’s successor do
   than what has already been done?
13 I saw that wisdom is better than folly,
   just as light is better than darkness.
14 The wise have eyes in their heads,
   while the fool walks in the darkness;
but I came to realize
   that the same fate overtakes them both.

15 Then I said to myself,

   â€œThe fate of the fool will overtake me also.
   What then do I gain by being wise?”
I said to myself,
   â€œThis too is meaningless.”
16 For the wise, like the fool, will not be long remembered;
   the days have already come when both have been forgotten.
Like the fool, the wise too must die!

1 The words of the Teacher, son of David, king in Jerusalem:

2 “Meaningless! Meaningless!”
   says the Teacher.
“Utterly meaningless!
   Everything is meaningless.”

3 What do people gain from all their labors
   at which they toil under the sun?
4 Generations come and generations go,
   but the earth remains forever.
5 The sun rises and the sun sets,
   and hurries back to where it rises.
6 The wind blows to the south
   and turns to the north;
round and round it goes,
   ever returning on its course.
7 All streams flow into the sea,
   yet the sea is never full.
To the place the streams come from,
   there they return again.
8 All things are wearisome,
   more than one can say.
The eye never has enough of seeing,
   nor the ear its fill of hearing.
9 What has been will be again,
   what has been done will be done again;
   there is nothing new under the sun.
10 Is there anything of which one can say,
   â€œLook! This is something new”?
It was here already, long ago;
   it was here before our time.
11 No one remembers the former generations,
   and even those yet to come
will not be remembered
   by those who follow them.
Wisdom Is Meaningless
12 I, the Teacher, was king over Israel in Jerusalem. 13 I applied my mind to study and to explore by wisdom all that is done under the heavens. What a heavy burden God has laid on mankind! 14 I have seen all the things that are done under the sun; all of them are meaningless, a chasing after the wind.

15 What is crooked cannot be straightened;
   what is lacking cannot be counted.

16 I said to myself, “Look, I have increased in wisdom more than anyone who has ruled over Jerusalem before me; I have experienced much of wisdom and knowledge.” 17 Then I applied myself to the understanding of wisdom, and also of madness and folly, but I learned that this, too, is a chasing after the wind.

18 For with much wisdom comes much sorrow;
   the more knowledge, the more grief.

Ah yes, i will concur with you on that.

In fact, it was John the Baptist who baptized Jesus Christ.

At first, he (John the Baptist) once said that he was unworthy to even untie the sandals of the Messiah (referring to Jesus Christ of Nazareth).

However, Jesus , in his humility, asked John to baptize him.

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John had to decrease in order for Jesus to increase. When John the Baptist was arrested and executed by Herod, it was Jesus who continued the Ministry. It was then that Christ Jesus started to preach about the Kingdom of God.

Christ Jesus tells us, my dear brothers, that salvation is not come through works by men, but by Faith. It is through Faith in the Rightousness of the Lord and in His Resurrection that one is saved.

For it is written:

“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”
-Ephesians 2:8,9

Quote from: Way Nada on March 03, 2011, 07:21:20 AM
This is one anti-Jewish quote in the bible.

It was a rebuke by Jesus Christ on the scribes and pharisees of the day who did not accept the Word of God. It was a response from Jesus Christ after the pharisees were trying to denounce Him. Again, Christ's message to us in Matthew Chapter 23 was the importance of Faith in the Word rather than the two faced adherence of the Law.

Jesus Christ, our Risen Lord ends Matthew Chapter 23, with verses 37 to 39.


"37 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not! 38 See, your house is left to you desolate. 39 For I tell you, you will not see me again, until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord."

Quote from: Way Nada on March 03, 2011, 07:11:25 AM
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The first ecumenical council in Nicea is when the bible was canonized in 325 AD.


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Canon means the compilation of the 73 books of the bible by authority of the Catholic Church.

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The Catholic Holy Bible does maintain the originality. I have read the New International Version and the King James Version. The King James Version is very poetic and well written, in credit to our Protestant brothers and sisters.

Quote from: Way Nada on March 03, 2011, 06:55:33 AM


There are 73 books as compiled by the Catholic Church in the council of Nicea in 325 AD. The aim of the council is to counter the heresy of Arius than Jesus is only a man.



The catholic version has 46 OT and 27 NT.

 

The OT were written centuries ago before the NT. The NT were never have been written if the OT were not translated into greek. The OT were translated on the order of King Ptolemy II of Egypt. He hired 70 rabbis to let the OT be translated into greek. This translation is called the Septuagint Version of the bible.


The answer to no question 7 is; Paul only wrote 7 undisputed epistles in the NT.



Conflicting info.

Please refer to the Maccabean revolt.

The original epistles of Paul  are the oldest.


The Bible was written in three languages: Hebrew, Aramaic, and Koine Greek.



14. When was the Bible canonized?

The entire New Testament as we know it today, was canonized before the year 375 A.D. The Old Testament had previously been canonized long before the advent of Christ.



15. What does "canon" mean?

"Canon" is derived front the Greek word "Kanon," signifying a measuring rod. Thus, to have the Bible "canonized" meant that it had been measured by the standard or test of divine inspiration and authority. It became the collection of books or writings accepted by the apostles and leadership of the early Christian church as a basis for Christian belief. It is the standard by which all Christians throughout the ages live and worship.



16. When was the first translation of the Bible made into English?

1382 A.D., by John Wycliffe.



17. When was the Bible printed?

The Bible was printed in 1454 A.D. by Johannes Gutenberg who invented the "type mold" for the printing press. It was the first book ever printed.



18. What is the oldest almost-complete manuscript of the Bible now in existence?

The Codex Vaticanus, which dates from the first half of the fourth Century. It is located in the library of the Vatican in Rome. There are older fragments of the Bible that are still preserved however--the oldest being a tiny scrap of the Gospel of John found in Egypt, dating back to the beginning of the second century. (It is currently in the Rayland's Library in Manchester, England).



19. What is the longest book in the Bible?

The book of Psalms.



20. What is the shortest book in the Bible?

2 John.



21. What is the longest chapter in the Bible?

Psalm 119



22. What is the shortest chapter in the Bible?

Psalm 117



23. What is the longest verse in the Bible?

Esther 8:9



24. What is the shortest verse in the Bible?

John 11:35



25. Which book in the Bible does not mention the word "God?"

The book of Esther.



26. Who was the oldest man that ever lived?

Methuselah who lived to be 969 years old (Genesis 5:27).



27. Who were the two men in the Bible who never died but were caught up to heaven?

Enoch, who walked with God and was no more (Genesis 5:22-24).

Elijah, who was caught up by a whirlwind into heaven (II Kings 2:11).



28. Who does the Bible say was the meekest man in the Bible (not including Jesus)?

Moses (Numbers 12:3).



29. How many languages has the Bible been translated into?

The Holy Bible has been translated into 2,018 languages, with countless more partial translations, and audio translations (for unwritten languages). (This is an enormous amount of translations. In comparison, Shakespeare, considered by many to be the master writer of the English language, has only been translated into 50 languages.)



30. Is the Bible still the best-selling book in the world?

Yes, indeed!

Excellent , Way Nada.