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Quote from: B:) on February 27, 2008, 01:06:44 PM
Know Nothing, so what do you think about former VP Al Gore's documentary wherein he just won the Nobel Peace Price because of what he did.

I do not begrudge anybody for getting a prize.  Al Gore got his Nobel Peace Prize from a smart but somewhat left leaning group of people.  To me, there is nothing wrong with being left leaning or right leaning because there is room for everybody in this world and it is good to have diversity of ideas.  The question to me is whether the documentary will survive the scrutiny of real science in the future.  I contend that it will not.  The future will have to determine this.

I totally agree that we all need to think about the natural resources that we use.  In my personal life I try to recycle as much as I can.  My argument ( and yes I live in the US) is that yes the US can do a lot of things to reduce its overall use of natural resources.  But to try and make the US to be Denmark, it just is not gonna happen!  That goes for India, China and the Russia too!  The population of and size of Denmark is smaller than probably those of at least 50 individual cities in the US (I do not know that for a fact, but I do not I am that far oof-- sorry Denmark).  Lets look at some human related issues.  When there is a tsunami in Asia, earthquake in South America, AIDs in Africa, how much does Denmark send to help compared to the US?  If we are all going to be like Denmark, maybe when there is a Tsunami disaster in Asia, we should all send them a windmill or two.

Lorenzo,
I applaud you on your research and sincerely hope that you will come out with findings that can help everybody to better deal with the mother earth environment.  I am the first to admit that we really need to take care of our natural resources both for our present use and for all future generations.  The Kyoto (in my humble opinion) was a well intentioned but poorly structured first attempt to deal with 21st environmental problems.  Despite the fact that the US did not sign it, I am not sure that many of the countries that signed the Kyoto agreement have fully implemented it (anybody correct me if I am wrong). 

I am still not convinced that global warming is being caused by humans.  That is not to say that I deny it.  All I am saying is that I have not yet seen the pure science that is not polluted by supporters and to be honest deniers of global warming.  In short, Lorenzo, keep up the good scientific work and may you soon prove some of us wrong and some of us right on global warming.  But the prove has to be on generally accepted scientific methods and not what me (Know nothing) or you Lorenzo want to believe.  God bless and good luck to you.

Let just say this.  I was fairly familiar with genetics before there was nanotechnology.  I have a fair understanding of biogechemistry and I also have a fair understanding of multivariate analysis and modeling.  I am not attacking anybody personally.  All I am saying is that if somebody is going to present something as a scientific fact, they better be able to support it according to accepted scientific way (peer reviewed publications is one of them). 

Quote from: Lorenzo on February 27, 2008, 08:15:43 AM

Quote from: Know Nothing on February 27, 2008, 07:38:09 AM
Hello Lorenzo,

First of all the issue of whether there is global warming is not up to politicians to decide whether they are liberal or conservative.  Global warming is a science that should be left to scientists to decide whether it is happening or not.  Politicians are just implementers of policy.

Most of the global warming studies have been based on models.  What the paper you are deriding is challenging the previous global warming models.  And if I may humbly mention, it has been said by one of the most respected modelers that “All models are wrong, but some are useful” (G.E.P Box).  As far as saying that it is accepted by all scientists that global warming is happening, that is a crock!

If you have been doing research on global warming can you please give your peer-reviewed publications that we can read and then make up our minds?

The research paper that I am conducting, which is funded by the Pennsylvania Department of Energy and is a joint thesis paper. I have a thread on it in the Research Cooler if you want to read about it.

Additionally, perhaps you misjudged the point of my post, as it was in condemnation of Political figures of certain nations, which are responsible for the qualitative effects in response to this ecological and biogeochemical response. Perhaps you may have not noticed this, but nation states INFLUENCE global warming, in fact many nation states have directly contributed to the depravation of the stratosphere, atmosphere, ecological environment in terms of unnatural chemical increases in said environment. Politicians, hold the power to either change this course, the laws they pass can either be pro-environment or anti-environment.

A minute case study to verse you in this, is the European Industrialization during the late 18th century to the 19th century, which utilized rare natural resources (non-renewable, such as coal, which also lead to the eutrofication, as well as death to limnoaquatic sites and metals poisoning of localities), the American industrialization, the ongoing global industrialization and the lack of regulation boards in said nation states such as India and China (which are promoting this problem) as well as the United States (the largest consumer of raw natural resources).

As a scientist, and as  a research colleague with other academians, I beg to differ in your post.
Read, research before you talk. Only fools defy the proofs that science dictates, it is blind idiocy.




Here is a link
http://tubagbohol.mikeligalig.com/index.php?topic=4982.0

Quote from: Lorenzo on February 27, 2008, 08:15:43 AM

Quote from: Know Nothing on February 27, 2008, 07:38:09 AM
Hello Lorenzo,

First of all the issue of whether there is global warming is not up to politicians to decide whether they are liberal or conservative.  Global warming is a science that should be left to scientists to decide whether it is happening or not.  Politicians are just implementers of policy.

Most of the global warming studies have been based on models.  What the paper you are deriding is challenging the previous global warming models.  And if I may humbly mention, it has been said by one of the most respected modelers that “All models are wrong, but some are useful” (G.E.P Box).  As far as saying that it is accepted by all scientists that global warming is happening, that is a crock!

If you have been doing research on global warming can you please give your peer-reviewed publications that we can read and then make up our minds?

The research paper that I am conducting, which is funded by the Pennsylvania Department of Energy and is a joint thesis paper. I have a thread on it in the Research Cooler if you want to read about it.

Additionally, perhaps you misjudged the point of my post, as it was in condemnation of Political figures of certain nations, which are responsible for the qualitative effects in response to this ecological and biogeochemical response. Perhaps you may have not noticed this, but nation states INFLUENCE global warming, in fact many nation states have directly contributed to the depravation of the stratosphere, atmosphere, ecological environment in terms of unnatural chemical increases in said environment. Politicians, hold the power to either change this course, the laws they pass can either be pro-environment or anti-environment.

A minute case study to verse you in this, is the European Industrialization during the late 18th century to the 19th century, which utilized rare natural resources (non-renewable, such as coal, which also lead to the eutrofication, as well as death to limnoaquatic sites and metals poisoning of localities), the American industrialization, the ongoing global industrialization and the lack of regulation boards in said nation states such as India and China (which are promoting this problem) as well as the United States (the largest consumer of raw natural resources).

As a scientist, and as  a research colleague with other academians, I beg to differ in your post.
Read, research before you talk. Only fools defy the proofs that science dictates, it is blind idiocy.




Here is a link
http://tubagbohol.mikeligalig.com/index.php?topic=4982.0

That is great that you are conducting this research.  Until you evaluate your data and publish it in a peer reviewed publication, I am sorry to say that all you have at this time is mere speculation.  There are a lot of research going on in this world ( including the research for a cure of many forms of cancer!).  Until somebody has a replicatable solution (meaning other scientists can use the Scientific Method to verify the individual results), any results are just personal opinions.  Like they say, opinions are like asses, evrybody has one.

No you do not need anybody to tell you what is happening!  Anybody can personally believe what they want to believe including that the earth is flat.  The problem becomes when people start spouting ideas and scientifically unfounded hypotheses that are bound to change local, national and international policies that will divert billions and trillions of dollars to fruitless courses.  I am not against global warming per se.  I am against self centered proclamations, having no scientific basis, closed as science.

Hello Lorenzo,

First of all the issue of whether there is global warming is not up to politicians to decide whether they are liberal or conservative.  Global warming is a science that should be left to scientists to decide whether it is happening or not.  Politicians are just implementers of policy.

Most of the global warming studies have been based on models.  What the paper you are deriding is challenging the previous global warming models.  And if I may humbly mention, it has been said by one of the most respected modelers that “All models are wrong, but some are useful” (G.E.P Box).  As far as saying that it is accepted by all scientists that global warming is happening, that is a crock!

If you have been doing research on global warming can you please give your peer-reviewed publications that we can read and then make up our minds?