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i have to go for now. i had a great time discussing my point of view to you but i really hope that the catholic church will give it's people the choice on what to use or do and not let its own belief be implemented to every one. I don't want to let the church rule the state and vice versa. we have the separation between church and state.

yes, faith is essential. but we cannot equate the faith on the the person we really see and we really trust. the "faith in god" is another story....

i read it once but there are certainly plenty of questions that cannot be answered. one thing that really bugs me is if he is truly a loving god, why did he still use his "son" to bridge and forgive our sins? why did he not just make it magically disappear or forgive if he is all that powerful?

these are just some little things that needed to be answered but it's also trivial that most people don't even bother to ask.

well, if that's what people find strength to have a god, then i respect that. we all have the feedom of choice and freedom to believe and freewill.

it's in human nature to find somebody more superior to guide them like president, leaders, mayors and for the most superior one, is "god"

truth is lighted on faith - that's the term that just believe and don't ask or no question as long as you believe even if there are conflicts.

we know darn well that there are plenty of flaws in the bible. for instance, that the earth is just a mere hundreds of thousand years old but the science dated it as millions of years old. bible says that it's a sin to eat shellfish, but why do we have shellfish and still eat them. the old testament legalizes the stoning to death and it was restated in new testament that those who don't have sins can cast the first stone. these are just a few that i can remember but certainly there are more. I am not a bible reader but certainly i have my own thinking to think what is right and what is wrong (f0r me) and I am not pushing it to have everyone believe what i believe.

that is great to have a loving god. but what baffles me is if there's really a loving god, why will he allow the sinners to go to "hell"?

if you're going to tell that story to a kid, what kid wont get scared of that?

i don't intend to have an argument here but my intention is to let all the people have choice, open up their minds and let them choose what to believe.

well, i know a lot of people are brainwashed by the church by giving them false hopes. there are plenty of conflicts within the bible. but we are being threatened that if we will question the integrity of the bible, we go to eternal damnation. who will not get scared of that?

the church cannot prove most, if not some, that is written in the bible, that's why they force to introduce to us what we call "faith" - just accept it as it is and no questions.

science has been in conflict with the findings and in constantly in conflict with the church. but science is in conflict with one another due to the new facts, new findings and new technology that they keep on rebutting their own conclusion. and this is one major basis of the church to deny the science' claim on how the universe was created.

and the church itself cannot address its internal problem. why show off that they can solve every one's problem if they themselves cannot resolve the internal problem that's been going on for ages - as what the funny saying says "it's difficult to solve/face the problem if the problem is your face."

the church should fix it's own dilemma first before solving other's problem.

Quote from: Lorenzo on September 30, 2010, 11:22:02 AM
These are not Catholics, but large evangelical denominational protestant churches. These ministers are not celibate priests and nuns who pledge a life of penance, celibacy, and chastity to the Holy Church.

Through all my life, the priests that I have known here in the US drive very old cars, many of whom don't even have cars, but are given transportation by the faithful or take public transportation.

that's the fact tho that building a church, no matter if it's catholic, protestants, it's the easiest way of making money. and it's a world wide fact that roman catholic church is the richest church in the entire world. just take a look at the luxury of how the pope is treated.

Quote from: Raquelproud boholana on September 30, 2010, 10:57:43 AM
Disagree, kadaghan catholic sa atua wala pa pabunyagi ang anak kay naghuwat nga naay panghanda heheheh. Catholic paman gani nag promote sa mga married couple bahin aning natural family planning. Sa tinuod lang di kasaligan ang income aning mga bunyag,pamisa ug uban pa kay gahi na manghatag mga tawo sa atua. Sa mga develop country wala may bayad ang pagkuha ug sacrament kay daghan man ug generous gud pero sa atua mao pugson nalang jud nga pabayron sa bunyag kay tagsa ray generous donors.
Catholic church stand against birth control because it's violation of God plan. God intended the sexual act to be both love giving and life giving.

baptism and other sacrilege are becoming a business. if the church really want to give it to the people, why not just give it for free and not with fee?

religion is the easiest and fastest way to find money - (1) people believe in church, (2) church don't pay taxes (3) people give money to church, etc. there are many example why building a church is good business. just take a look or search on the net the history of the mega churches in the US on how they first started. if the church is truly there to help people, most, if not all, of the church founders of the mega church in US got luxurious cars than their patrons. Isn't that ironic and hypocritical? 

Quote from: www.tubagbohol.com on September 29, 2010, 05:51:23 AM
This is the answer given by a friend.

Without new births, it means no income for the Catholic Church.

Calculation: 2,000,000 babies a year multiplied by P500 pesos for baptismal fee = 1,000 Million Pesos
If there are other fees, it means more hundreds of millions of pesos.

Therefore, zero birth = zero income for the Catholic Church. Sounds logical, isn't it?

Agree or disagree?

well, it's not only the catholic church that's against this method but some other religious sects as well. The only thing why we hear most of the time that it's the catholic church is against this it's because (1) the catholic church is very vocal about it and (2) there are more catholics in Philippines than any other religions.

I was baptised catholic but after learning some things as I grow older, I realize that religion is one of the major cause of conflicts that's why I don't believe in any other religion. I do believe in morals but we can certainly not forced our own morals to the morals of others. I know we have "universal" morals but the best thing to avoid conflict is to respect each other's morals and this is the part that most religious sects failed to do, respecting other's morals.

we know that this natural birth control has been existing for ages but this proves that this method does not actually work. Can any of the churches provide a document that the natural method works especially in the 3rd world countries like Philippines?

Catholic church is very firm on this ground about natural rhythm but does the church help the poor? HONESTLY.

Every time  I pass by a catholic church, I will always see the most needy person that's waiting for alms in the doorsteps of the church. But the church doesn't seem to bother by the scenery. I find this one very, very pitiful and hypocritical. It's so sad to say that Catholic church supports the "incoming" life but does not support the life that already exists. One example is the church does not allow abortion because, the fetus is "life" and we are not certain that this "fetus" MIGHT be the future leader. The MIGHT is still an uncertainty but we all know that this fetus has a long way to go. Why not concentrate on helping people who is in misery and needs help. This is for sure that we see "life" on this stage... There are people in prison who are wrongly convicted. Why is the church doesn't have enough fervor to help these people??? Try to think about it.

I am not so certain about this because there are pros and cons regarding this matter.

Just read the article on this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/51st_state