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What electoral reforms do you suggest?
« on: September 24, 2007, 01:24:17 PM »
We all know of the problems that plague Philippine elections.  What reforms do you suggest to resolve some, if not all, of them?

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Re: What electoral reforms do you suggest?
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2007, 01:27:13 PM »
Why not do computerized voting?

Para ma eliminate nang stealing of boxes sa mga balota, unya makuhaan ning mga paper forms.

Also, para dali mahibaw-an ang resulta.



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Re: What electoral reforms do you suggest?
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2007, 02:22:16 PM »
Dissolve the Philippine government and have our country ruled by the U.S., or Canada, or Australia.

Our leaders are immature and selfish.

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Re: What electoral reforms do you suggest?
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2007, 04:27:58 PM »
It's still too soon to give up on a Philippines governed by Filipinos, Mike.  We are still a young democracy.  We may be a sham as a functional democracy, since our national policies are dictated by the interests of powerful businessmen and by far more powerful countries, but we're barely 50 years old and are still in our growing pains.

Personally, here are some electoral reforms I'd like to see: the return of the literacy requirement for one to exercise the right to vote; college degree requirement for candidates; return of the two-party system; regular updating of voters list; re-definition of residence and domicile; clarifying grounds and streamlining procedures for electoral protest.

What are yours?

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Re: What electoral reforms do you suggest?
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2007, 04:38:13 PM »
I like your suggestions, Mr. Sigbin. My only addition would be greater enforcement on the Comelec's part; addittionally, there should be added enforcement in voting areas in Muslim Mindanao.

Brod Mike, lets have more faith in our bayan, I know that there are difficult times ahead for our precious Fatherland, pero, the Lord will provide a way. So long as the mighty and proud Filipino people never loose hope and continue to strive for a better future, our nation will rise..

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Re: What electoral reforms do you suggest?
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2007, 04:52:53 PM »
...greater enforcement on the Comelec's part; additionally, there should be added enforcement in voting areas in Muslim Mindanao.

Yes, the conduct of the elections in Muslim Mindanao in the last two general elections have been very controversial and crucial.  Let's hope that in the next election people will be more watchful of their ballots and of election officials.

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Re: What electoral reforms do you suggest?
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2007, 05:25:17 PM »
Why not do computerized voting?

On the passage of the Overseas Absentee Voting Bill in 2003, which extends suffrage to overseas Filipinos, I was one of those who went through and offered my place to the Tokyo Consulate to administer off-site electronic registration.

In two days, more than 600 Filipinos whom I invited registered, the most they've ever logged in any place in Japan. Everyone was excited because of the supposedly high-tech procedures. When the voters' IDs were mailed to us, some photos did not match the names. To top it all, the expected computerization of ballot-counting during the presidential election the following year (May 10, 2004) was suspended when the Supreme Court nullified the contract due to non-compliance to public bidding procedures.

(And Malacanang seems hell-bent on ramming the ZTE broadband contract down the Filipino's throat despite issues of compliance to public bidding procedures.)

Definitely, computerization should minimize fraud that arises from manual logistics and the time lag inherent thereto.

But computerization alone cannot address pre-counting problems of vote-buying, intimidation and violence. I definitely agree with Sigbin II's suggestions. However, I am concerned that the addition of legal provisions will only water down the Comelec's resolve to enforce or give an excuse for its spotty implementation of existing provisions.

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Re: What electoral reforms do you suggest?
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2007, 06:27:28 PM »
To all Intellectuals... those above-persons who have given their point of views in regards to the theme- I can only suggest to  all who are living abroad except SigbinII  "PANGULI MO SA ATO UG MO-KANDIDATO MO  DIDTO" - we need a new reform in every innumerable aspects what is good for our country, isn't? You are all young and educated and that is what our Phils. needs not actors or some persons who are already in a Family political dynasty. The future of the youth is a great demand.

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« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2007, 06:40:16 PM »
Ma'am Bambi, "When the pupil is ready, the master will appear." 

There are many competent and intelligent persons who remain here but sometimes even when the people who are capable of leading the Philippines in the 21st century and perhaps beyond are evident, if the people refuse to support them nothing will happen.

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Re: What electoral reforms do you suggest?
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2007, 10:59:58 PM »
Ma'am Bambi, "When the pupil is ready, the master will appear." 

There are many competent and intelligent persons who remain here but sometimes even when the people who are capable of leading the Philippines in the 21st century and perhaps beyond are evident, if the people refuse to support them nothing will happen.

mao na ang giingon sa akoa kauban ngari nga ngano man daw nga ang kusog daw moreklamo kay kadtong mga tawo nga wla mobayad ug tax... apil sila sa edsa 2, nya later apil sila sa edsa 3... hmmm... uban pa nangreklamo kay wala daw makakaon during sa rally.

with regards to e-voting diri sa singapore, probably makasulti sila nga success kay wla masudli pero kung imong hunahunaon didto nila gubutang ang ilang mga servers sa spain (i think) or shall i say didto nila gi-host sa namaligya mismo sa system so expected jud na nga solid pa sa bato ang ilang security kay namaligya gud.

anyway, let see kung moSupport pa ba ang pinoy IT diri sa singapore sa mga programs sa phil government.

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Re: What electoral reforms do you suggest?
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2007, 08:16:53 AM »
Ma'am Bambi, "When the pupil is ready, the master will appear." 

There are many competent and intelligent persons who remain here but sometimes even when the people who are capable of leading the Philippines in the 21st century and perhaps beyond are evident, if the people refuse to support them nothing will happen.

Korek kaajo Ite.  I therefore conclude,  that money is the answer.  It is sad to say but it reigns the World. What can you say about our new young Mayor?  Are you not planning to candidate against him in the future?  I believe, you have the needed qualifications. Any supporters?  At the meantime, as what had read on the other thread, he is doing the best start to be perfect in his designation.  I hope for the best of all our Inabangnons.

To dissolve our government is not the right solution, what i think.  As long as still Filipinos are still existing- we must have to voice out our rights - FREEDOM for all Pinoys!  Long live the Philippines!  Death for Corruptions and those Betrayals!

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« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2007, 08:23:13 AM »
To all Intellectuals... those above-persons who have given their point of views in regards to the theme- I can only suggest to  all who are living abroad except SigbinII  "PANGULI MO SA ATO UG MO-KANDIDATO MO  DIDTO" - we need a new reform in every innumerable aspects what is good for our country, isn't? You are all young and educated and that is what our Phils. needs not actors or some persons who are already in a Family political dynasty. The future of the youth is a great demand.

I've been contemplating about going back to Valencia and running for office in the future. But we'll see.
Id like to make changes in my own hometown.

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« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2007, 06:50:51 PM »
You are the right man for the future and that I am 100% sure.  God bless your plan!

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Re: What electoral reforms do you suggest?
« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2007, 01:39:44 PM »
Thank you, pare.

I think when I'm established here in the United States, I think then I'll be ready to go back to Valencia. It is my home town, where members of my clan, the Salise, the Tan, the Salvo and the Ingnalan reside. What better place to run for office and have actual reasons to run for office. Where it counts most, home.

But there are things I need to accomplish first before I run for municipal office. I need experience. :)

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« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2007, 06:12:07 PM »
That is a very brillant idea Pare.  I respected that young Mayor in Inabanga....he is great for that noble job and I guess, he is on the way of making the best out of it in a perfect strategy as the news  reported/posted here in Inabangnon's site. Just imagine....he went home to serve his fellow Inabangnons only he belongs to that politician Fam. dynasty. I  want to meet this Mayor in the future.

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« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2007, 12:09:37 AM »
Gusto pood ko mo meet niya this summer. I hear iyang mama was the incumbent mayor before? Pero i was really touched by his story---he had a great job offer here in the states, great education. Yet, he went back home to Bohol, to his hometown.

It takes a man with great inner strength and political will to do that. He is a natural born leader. God has graced him with many gifts. May he be a shining light for the youth of Bohol.

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Re: What electoral reforms do you suggest?
« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2007, 01:11:51 AM »
Thank you, pare.

I think when I'm established here in the United States, I think then I'll be ready to go back to Valencia. It is my home town, where members of my clan, the Salise, the Tan, the Salvo and the Ingnalan reside. What better place to run for office and have actual reasons to run for office. Where it counts most, home.

But there are things I need to accomplish first before I run for municipal office. I need experience. :)

Bran, if you want to serve people, build an NGO. Asianfairy and her comrades in Sweden have initiated a Filipino Charity Organization.

I believe that you can do more to the public when you are acting on private.

You can even be killed for aspiring a political seat. And when one is killed, he or she can no longer advance his/her charity works.

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« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2007, 01:18:07 AM »
I'll do what I can right now, either it be donations or contributions. But I do one day want to go back to Valencia. Probably when I'm around 40 or so.

If I am killed while pursuing a dream, then, what better way to die. We all die, Mike, the only difference is the matter in which we choose to die. I'd rather go head on.

My love for my hometown far exceeds my own life. I am only a mere speck in the scheme of things. 



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« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2007, 01:24:07 AM »
Since this is your personal statement of devotion to your hometown, I have to honor it, Bran.

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« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2007, 02:30:05 AM »
To all Intellectuals... those above-persons who have given their point of views in regards to the theme- I can only suggest to  all who are living abroad except SigbinII  "PANGULI MO SA ATO UG MO-KANDIDATO MO  DIDTO" - we need a new reform in every innumerable aspects what is good for our country, isn't? You are all young and educated and that is what our Phils. needs not actors or some persons who are already in a Family political dynasty. The future of the youth is a great demand.

Hi Bambi...

Dihay usa ka bangiitan nga writer dires Sweden sa una nagsulat nga ang makapausab ra kuno sa Pilipinas kon mouli tanan ang mga educated nga Filipino nga naa nas laing nasod nagpuyo ron and together make the reforms needed in the Philippines.

Para nako..way mahimong kausaban atong nasod kon magpadayon ang vote buying during election. So it is  very important to put a stop on this.



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« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2007, 02:33:41 AM »
I've been contemplating about going back to Valencia and running for office in the future. But we'll see.
Id like to make changes in my own hometown.

Doy Lorenzo basta di lang ka mausab...you can count on my vote. Let's hope that time wala nay uso ang vote buying.:-)

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« Reply #22 on: September 28, 2007, 02:39:57 AM »


what the people need now is "values' redirection"...a reformist vision on individual outlook towards patriotism, loving one country and community...

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« Reply #23 on: September 28, 2007, 05:47:00 AM »
Gusto pood ko mo meet niya this summer. I hear iyang mama was the incumbent mayor before? Pero i was really touched by his story---he had a great job offer here in the states, great education. Yet, he went back home to Bohol, to his hometown.

It takes a man with great inner strength and political will to do that. He is a natural born leader. God has graced him with many gifts. May he be a shining light for the youth of Bohol.



Hello Pare,

With your innermost strong intentions for a politician goal is quite noteworthy.  I pray for your future plans.

Mayor Jono Jumamoy, Inabanga Mayor is known to me through scanning the internet pages where there is one being interviewed by EL Mundo, (i think he was the one -Mr. Leo Udtohan).  And the latest had read from Mikes issued that....the Mayor went for Island hopping to fullfill his responsibilities and this quoted and i believe he is doing the right way, imagine, he went to schooling  with other old/experienced politicians      to learn more about how to be  a good leader.

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« Reply #24 on: September 28, 2007, 06:47:02 AM »
I really really admire his dedication, and his fire. At age 21 and be so mature at the same time, he is truly a natural born leader. I hope he maintains his charisma for time to come. We could be seeing a man who will one day become another President. Garcia....

Time will tell.



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« Reply #25 on: September 28, 2007, 06:50:11 AM »
Absolutely he is.  And I have no single doubt that you will be one of those in the future.  If there is a will there is a way to success, di ba?.

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« Reply #26 on: September 28, 2007, 06:55:58 AM »
Absolutely, pare. If there is a will there is always a way, God will provide a way for those who are determined. I pray that many other foreign raised Boholanos will return to th province of our origin to make a difference.

You know, there is a high percentage of Ukrainian-American students who are going back to Ukraine to help and contribute to the political sphere in that country. So too is happening concerning Indian-Americans. Filipino-Americans need to go back and instead of running for drama, acting, and entertainment, need to go go into local government, even national government.



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« Reply #27 on: October 03, 2007, 05:07:53 AM »
Hi Bambi...

Dihay usa ka bangiitan nga writer dires Sweden sa una nagsulat nga ang makapausab ra kuno sa Pilipinas kon mouli tanan ang mga educated nga Filipino nga naa nas laing nasod nagpuyo ron and together make the reforms needed in the Philippines.

Para nako..way mahimong kausaban atong nasod kon magpadayon ang vote buying during election. So it is  very important to put a stop on this.



Hi Asianfairy,

We are just making a merry go round trip most of the time, I believe that this is already planted in our countrymens head.  Sulayan ni sa mga politico nga molansad nga way palitanay ug botos, di ba wa lagi poy mobotar. I just remember, it was  in the year of the 70's, we have an Mayor Election for the whole Bohol province and it was not a surprised result that in the Dauis (a Family dynasty before who were too long in power, it think if I am not mistaken it was the Cimafranca's). The opponents got  a zero votes...... sayunan ka pilay namuyo sa Dauis kay gipalit tanan/gipakyaw gjod ang tanan mga tawo kay kinsa tong boto sa pikas gigamitan man ug tion. Well, it was still during the Marcoses era but I guess, di ba wa gyoy kausaban hangtod karon, grabe naman siguro, iyahay nalang puno-ay sa bulsa. Ningsamot na ron nga we are now in a community consumptions....everyone like to acquire what the others has no matter how. 

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Re: What electoral reforms do you suggest?
« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2007, 11:40:10 AM »
what the people need now is "values' redirection"...a reformist vision on individual outlook towards patriotism, loving one country and community...

I agree with you, sir.  There is not even much respect for the flag or the national anthem anymore.  Sometimes you see a flag, faded and tattered, and left in the rain.  Sometimes you meet people, supposedly professional, who forget entire stanzas of the Lupang Hinirang.  It is as if people are ashamed to take pride in what symbolizes the Filipino.  Patriotism is not what it used to be.

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Re: What electoral reforms do you suggest?
« Reply #29 on: October 04, 2007, 12:41:24 PM »
I agree with you, sir.  There is not even much respect for the flag or the national anthem anymore.  Sometimes you see a flag, faded and tattered, and left in the rain.  Sometimes you meet people, supposedly professional, who forget entire stanzas of the Lupang Hinirang.  It is as if people are ashamed to take pride in what symbolizes the Filipino.  Patriotism is not what it used to be.

What does it mean to be Filipino?

We are a fragmented group of people, not a nation, but just people living in a bunch of islands grouped together. We primarily identify ourselves as Boholanos, or Cebuanos, Ilonggos, Ilocanos, Pangalatoks, Pampaguenos, Bulakenos, etc etc...

We are as suspicious and wary of the people who come from other islands in our country, as we are scared and suspicious of aliens.

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Re: What electoral reforms do you suggest?
« Reply #30 on: October 04, 2007, 01:01:06 PM »
But this is also true in many other countries, Ma'am C2H4.  Yes, we identify ourselfves and others by the region or province we come from but isn't this what Bavarians do in Germany?  What Basques do in Spain and France?  What Okinawans do in Japan?  What Sikhs do in India?  In fact, I find it remarkable (and I am thankful for this) that we still haven't gone through civil war.  As Boholanos, there is much that distinguishes us from other Filipinos but I am sure that there is also much to bind us together.

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Re: What electoral reforms do you suggest?
« Reply #31 on: October 04, 2007, 01:10:08 PM »
Yes, it is true in other countries...but that is not necessarily a good thing, is it? The Basques and the Sikhs feel oppressed and are treated as outcasts, maybe the source for the term, separatists?

I am thankful as well that we haven't gone through civil war. Some people think, though, that it is coming. As a last resort for national purification, washing away the vermin perhaps infecting our government?

Pray tell, Mr Sigbin, what binds us together as Filipinos? Our penchant for telenovelas? Our love of balikbayan boxes?

You already pointed out that so many Pinoys hardly remember the words in our national anthem, and that patriotism is not what it used to be.

Maybe the tie that binds us all together is our lack of patriotism.

*Mr Sigbin, I don't wanna come across as rude, these are just my thoughts voiced out loud*



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Re: What electoral reforms do you suggest?
« Reply #32 on: October 04, 2007, 02:01:42 PM »
No offense taken, Ma'am C2H4.

I believe that much of it is in our history and, yes, even in the many cultures that we've come in contact with or whose blood have been infused in our own.  It does seem that whatever binds us together seems very flimsy, even inexistent, but we must find it otherwise there is no reason for the Philippines to remain as it is.  I would like to believe that that reason still exists.  Any people or peoples that chooses to become a nation must at least try to be one and not just give up at the first sign of a challenge or even if the challenges seem endless.

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Re: What electoral reforms do you suggest?
« Reply #33 on: October 04, 2007, 02:18:50 PM »
These are all noble goals, Mr Sigbin. Heroic ideals...

But we don't know what we want.

Knowing what we should do, and doing what we should...are two very different things.

I hope you're right, and these are just growing pains...

Otherwise, we're all f****d...

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Re: What electoral reforms do you suggest?
« Reply #34 on: October 04, 2007, 02:28:25 PM »
The task is overwhelming but, at least, we don't have to solve it in one night by ourselves.  Hinay-hinay, basta kanunay.

Don't worry.  I think Mike has covered pretty much all expletives that there are.  Which brings into question how chaste he is in thought and how considerable his exposure to these words have been. ;D hehehe

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Re: What electoral reforms do you suggest?
« Reply #35 on: October 04, 2007, 02:43:33 PM »
Hahaha!

I have no desire to solve our country's problems. The best contribution that I could make is just to try to be a good person, to my family, my friends, and the people I deal with and encounter on a daily basis. I am not very noble, huh? Dili man ko patriotic...

 ;D

With regards to Mike using up all the colorful words in the known world, I guess the situation warranted it. Kung nag wonder ka unsa ka chaste in thought si Mike, all I can say to this is: he's a kind man but he's no saint.

And that's a good thing. Today's men need to be maginoo pero medyo bastos in order to survive in today's world.

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Re: What electoral reforms do you suggest?
« Reply #36 on: October 24, 2007, 12:02:22 PM »
Ang sayop sa atong electoral system mao ning paghatag sa katawhan ug 'full democracy. Sa America technically dili ang number of votes sa mga tawo ang makahimong presidente kundi kanang gitawag ug 'electoral college'. Sa England ug Australia dili tanang tawo mopili ug prime minister kundi ang parliament. Sa France ang katawhan mopili ug presidente pero ang parliament mohimo sa balaod. The president of France can also intrduce laws to parliament. This is the type Marcos copied during Martial Law.

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Re: What electoral reforms do you suggest?
« Reply #37 on: October 24, 2007, 12:43:48 PM »
Naa na pod ta dinhi, Way Nada!  lol Nganong sayop man ang paghatag sa katawhan ug full democracy?  Dili hinuon ko ganahan anang college vote kay dili man jud na ang tinuod na tingog sa katawhan kay gi representahan lang man ang kada istado ug pila ka number sa votes depending on the size of the state. 



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Re: What electoral reforms do you suggest?
« Reply #38 on: October 24, 2007, 01:37:40 PM »
Ang sayop sa atong electoral system mao ning paghatag sa katawhan ug 'full democracy. Sa America technically dili ang number of votes sa mga tawo ang makahimong presidente kundi kanang gitawag ug 'electoral college'. Sa England ug Australia dili tanang tawo mopili ug prime minister kundi ang parliament. Sa France ang katawhan mopili ug presidente pero ang parliament mohimo sa balaod. The president of France can also intrduce laws to parliament. This is the type Marcos copied during Martial Law.

Thats true, however, there are proponents as well as opponents of the electoral collegiate system. The United States itself is having its own discourse in either ridding of the electoral college or maintaining it--more so than in the past. Even as we speak, the Republican Party has already introduced a new bill in order to 'split' the electoral votes of a said state in accordance to the percentage of democratic and/or republican supporters of that given state, rather than committing the entire electoral vote of a particular state to a given candidate. A specific example; there are debates occuring in Congress on a bill to split the electoral vote in California (which provides over 55 electoral votes) to either a republican and democratic candidate based on the number of supporters in that state.

The United States' democratic system has loopholes as well, and is subject to change as time progresses, however, you make a credible point; Way Nada. However, I am totally opposed to a parliamentary sytem in the Philippines. Its way too chaotic, one that our country cannot afford to experience right now. Our system of government is effective, given there are loopholes and corruption, however keep in mind that it has only been 61 years since our independence and 21 years since the fall of the Marcos regime and the reverting back to the democratic process. The Philippine system is not perfect because it is an infant in comparison to the aged-time-tested systems of the west. Sure we compare ours to the United States, but the United State's system has been subject to change throughout its history. The United States once relied on state-based constitutions in the past, then towards the Federalist Papers, then the Confederation system, and then to the present system that we have today. However, the United States has had 231 years to build on its political system since independence. The Philippines hasn't even begun our 62nd year of independence.

Of course there are things that need to be addressed, that is what there future generation is for. That is why it is imperative that we infuse into the youth the necessity and fragile hopes of political righteousness, reverence for God, loyalty to the state and government, love of the Philippine fatherland instead of criticizing it all the time. How can we develop our nationalist pride if we, as a people, continue to look down on ourselves and our system? Look at the Indonesians and the Thais, their system is in poorer state than ours, which has a wider democratic processes, however they are proud of their country. National pride and sentimentality is high in their society. We, as Filipinos, need to emulate that. Pride in the Philippines, love of country and our system--despite the challenges and problems. It is OUR country. Our bayan.

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Re: What electoral reforms do you suggest?
« Reply #39 on: October 25, 2007, 06:21:12 AM »
Grazie7y,

Nia na pud ta... This is also the beauty of free expression bisan ug asa lang ta maghinagbo. Hehe... Aw! Bahin sa full democracy sa katawhan nga akong gisulti mao ni ang nia sa akong alimpatakan. In my obsrvation in the running of governments of nations [old and new] all over the world, not a single country develop economically because their people is enjoying full democracy. Sa mga bag-ong powerful nation karon like England and the U.S. it's not full democracy sa ilang electoral process.

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